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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2604 on: September 30, 2023, 06:03:46 AM »
Hi Royell, I just found this picture of the Vice President's SS Car with the left rear door open and maybe somebody starting to get out on Houston Street near Elm Street. Thank you for everything! Sincerely yours, Michael




   That car door was already open. You can see that same door being ajar on the Altgens Photo. You can see the JFK Limo in the still frame above. It's front bumper has yet to reach the TSBD front door. Per the WC, this is too early for a shot to have been fired.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2605 on: September 30, 2023, 08:26:05 AM »
   That car door was already open. You can see that same door being ajar on the Altgens Photo. You can see the JFK Limo in the still frame above. It's front bumper has yet to reach the TSBD front door. Per the WC, this is too early for a shot to have been fired.

Hi Royell, Thank you! Yes, you are correct! With Tina Towner's concentration on Jackie, and Ike Altgens not able to take another quick picture, do we have any film of the Vice President's SS Car when Lem could have jumped out of the open car door? Thank you for your valuable input! I really appreciate it! Sincerely yours, Michael




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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2606 on: September 30, 2023, 11:20:33 AM »
So!

Conspiracy A (the plan for missed shots to be fired from the TSBD sixth floor as Pres. Kennedy is riding through Dealey Plaza)
Conspiracy B (exploiting Conspiracy A to carry out a real assassination on Pres. Kennedy)

Key to the success of Conspiracy A is that 'pro-Castro' Mr. Oswald become THE named conspirator whose involvement identifies this as a pro-Castro provocation. All for the purpose of creating a compelling pretext for C-Day (1 Dec).

Where are DPD in all this? Assuming no advance knowledge on their side of the clandestine false-flag operation, the DPD's understanding, within a very short time of the assassination, is based on the evidence they are aware of: that this Oswald fellow has been involved (not as shooter) in a successful pro-Castro conspiracy to kill Pres. Kennedy. They know he's guilty of involvement. Their course of action is consequently a no-brainer: to charge him as an accomplice in a leftist conspiracy, and as the shooter of Officer Tippit.

But word quickly comes down from on high, and from outside: no, this LHO fellow must be nailed as a DOUBLE shooter. A lone actor. For national security reasons, the world must NOT learn that Pres. Kennedy was killed by pro-Castro conspiracy. It would lead to WWIII. 

And so all DPD efforts, like those of the other 'investigating' authorities, go into the absurd project of framing Mr. Oswald not just for the murder of Officer Tippit but also for the murder of Pres. Kennedy. They feel not the slightest compunction in framing this guy, because a) they routinely pull this corrupt stuff in normal times anyway, and Mr. Wade has a proud record of convicting innocent men; b) they reckon LHO has it coming, being 'guiltocent' on account of his known involvement in the pro-Castro conspiracy. At least we got one of the b*st*rds.

Several years later, all this is weighing heavily on Mr. Jesse Curry. He knows this was a conspiracy, and 'knows' it was a communist conspiracy. And he knows Mr. Oswald was most definitely NOT at the SN window firing on Pres. Kennedy. So he makes the startling admission: we never could put Oswald in that building with that rifle at that time.

His admission alerts us to a striking fact: the DPD/FBI/SS framing of Mr. Oswald was both thorough and incomplete. Thorough in all sorts of ways (starting with the confiscation of his alibi); incomplete in that the 'evidence' putting Mr. Oswald up at the SN window @12:30pm never goes beyond the circumstantial. Why not? Because they KNOW that his front-entrance alibi may yet come to light in an undeniable way, or an image may yet emerge showing someone else firing from the sixth floor. Were either of these things to happen, any cooked evidence that went too far would expose the fact that they framed him.

Just think, for example, how easy it would have been for those privy to Mr. Oswald's final interrogation to tell everyone that he finally broke, and confessed to shooting Pres. Kennedy. But no, that would offer a dangerous hostage to fortune. A witness could break ranks any day. A photo or film could come into the public domain exonerating him unequivocally. Best to stick with the plan: lots of cooked evidence pointing to LHO as the shooter; lots of suppressed real evidence that would have pointed to conspiracy; a seemingly reasonable inference drawn by the 'investigation': LHO shot JFK, and he was acting alone.

They would have loved to go further. But they couldn't.
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2607 on: September 30, 2023, 04:07:15 PM »
Hi Royell, Thank you! Yes, you are correct! With Tina Towner's concentration on Jackie, and Ike Altgens not able to take another quick picture, do we have any film of the Vice President's SS Car when Lem could have jumped out of the open car door? Thank you for your valuable input! I really appreciate it! Sincerely yours, Michael



  Michael - SA Lem Johns was allegedly seated in the (R) Rear/Back Seat of the LBJ SS Car. That (L) rear door you're looking at would have done him no good in possibly exiting that car. And yes, there was another SA Agent there in the back seat seated/positioned next to that door that is ajar. There are: (1) No Dealey Plaza witnesses that saw SA Johns exit that LBJ SS vehicle while it was on Elm St, (2) There are No image(s) of SA John running down Elm St toward the LBJ Convertible, (as he claims), (3) There are No image(s) of Johns standing in Elm St as/after the JFK Motorcade sped away, (as he claims).  I believe that Johns was sighted by Wiegman UP the Knoll because Johns was assigned some sort of on the ground foot duty there inside Dealey Plaza. His close proximity to the blood pool testified to by Mal Couch can Not be over stated. I also believe whatever caused that blood pool spurred the Chism Family to suddenly run across the knoll and down the sidewalk while handing off their child. I have never heard a reason for the Chism Family's belated Mad Dash down Elm. And they were physically close to that blood pool/Elm St Ext before going pell-mell.   
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2608 on: September 30, 2023, 04:55:48 PM »
  Michael - SA Lem Johns was allegedly seated in the (R) Rear/Back Seat of the LBJ SS Car. That (L) rear door you're looking at would have done him no good in possibly exiting that car. And yes, there was another SA Agent there in the back seat seated/positioned next to that door that is ajar. There are: (1) No Dealey Plaza witnesses that saw SA Johns exit that LBJ SS vehicle while it was on Elm St, (2) There are No image(s) of SA John running down Elm St toward the LBJ Convertible, (as he claims), (3) There are No image(s) of Johns standing in Elm St as/after the JFK Motorcade sped away, (as he claims).  I believe that Johns was sighted by Wiegman UP the Knoll because Johns was assigned some sort of on the ground foot duty there inside Dealey Plaza. His close proximity to the blood pool testified to by Mal Couch can Not be over stated. I also believe whatever caused that blood pool spurred the Chism Family to suddenly run across the knoll and down the sidewalk while handing off their child. I have never heard a reason for the Chism Family's belated Mad Dash down Elm. And they were physically close to that blood pool/Elm St Ext before going pell-mell.

Hi Royell, Good to learn! Thank you very much!! So was the blood pool supposed to be in front of the Chisms? I do not have computer graphic skills. Do you have the ability to put an arrow where the pool of blood is supposed to be. The Chisms are hard to figure out! A bullet is supposed to strike the street in front of them[I'm guessing] [They are all three standing in the street!]. They see the President jump up in his seat probably reacting to the neck wound. Then they see the head shot. Marvin Faye grabs Ricky and her and John run towards the North Arcade where the young boys are standing. Then Marvin Faye hands off Ricky to John as they are running across the grass diagonally more towards the Grassy Knoll area. I do not know what exactly happens next because John said he was tackled by men who thought he was a gunman, BUT did he still have Ricky??? Thank you as always for your awesome input! Sincerely yours, Michael
 

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2609 on: September 30, 2023, 07:25:07 PM »
Hi Royell, Good to learn! Thank you very much!! So was the blood pool supposed to be in front of the Chisms? I do not have computer graphic skills. Do you have the ability to put an arrow where the pool of blood is supposed to be. The Chisms are hard to figure out! A bullet is supposed to strike the street in front of them[I'm guessing] [They are all three standing in the street!]. They see the President jump up in his seat probably reacting to the neck wound. Then they see the head shot. Marvin Faye grabs Ricky and her and John run towards the North Arcade where the young boys are standing. Then Marvin Faye hands off Ricky to John as they are running across the grass diagonally more towards the Grassy Knoll area. I do not know what exactly happens next because John said he was tackled by men who thought he was a gunman, BUT did he still have Ricky??? Thank you as always for your awesome input! Sincerely yours, Michael

   Couch was called to give WC Testimony in order to detail what he saw coming outta the sniper's nest window as his Camera Car #3 traveled down Houston St. Couch went off script with his testimony about seeing a roughly 9 inch blood pool. Couch was vague about the exact location of the blood pool, and the WC Attorney did not pursue any questioning regarding it. Best I can tell, that blood pool would be on the other side of the Elm St Ext/across the street from the TSBD, down toward the corner/triangle area. Most people do Not realize how close the Elm St Ext is to the East Knoll Grass area. If you were to lean out of that Shelter that Zapruder filmed Sitzman & The Hester's in front of, you could almost drop a rock onto the Elm St. Ext. The Shelter and the Elm Ext are that close together. Something dramatic suddenly spurred the Chism Family into sprinting across the Knoll. Considering that Wiegman filmed the Chism Family beginning their sprint, means they did not begin running until roughly 1 minute after the Kill Shot. And I believe their run direction was Directly Away from whatever they feared.
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2610 on: September 30, 2023, 09:33:03 PM »
   Couch was called to give WC Testimony in order to detail what he saw coming outta the sniper's nest window as his Camera Car #3 traveled down Houston St. Couch went off script with his testimony about seeing a roughly 9 inch blood pool. Couch was vague about the exact location of the blood pool, and the WC Attorney did not pursue any questioning regarding it. Best I can tell, that blood pool would be on the other side of the Elm St Ext/across the street from the TSBD, down toward the corner/triangle area. Most people do Not realize how close the Elm St Ext is to the East Knoll Grass area. If you were to lean out of that Shelter that Zapruder filmed Sitzman & The Hester's in front of, you could almost drop a rock onto the Elm St. Ext. The Shelter and the Elm Ext are that close together. Something dramatic suddenly spurred the Chism Family into sprinting across the Knoll. Considering that Wiegman filmed the Chism Family beginning their sprint, means they did not begin running until roughly 1 minute after the Kill Shot. And I believe their run direction was Directly Away from whatever they feared.

Hi Royell, Yes, then we are seeing the same thing! I call that the North Arcade. I think others call it the North Pergola. Please see below. Thank you for all that you do! Sincerely yours, Michael

If you add this picture and put it first in the group of pictures on Pat Speer's site, you get the two young boys standing behind the Chisms when they are on Elm Street.


Next you have the two boys inside of the North Arcade with the Chisms nearby. One boy appears to be looking out at the Elm Street Extension inside of the Arcade!


Then something scares the boys and the Chisms.


The Chisms continue running and Marvin Faye hands off Ricky to John.


Then it appears that John must be carrying Ricky when he was tackled later because they thought he was a shooter.