Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )

[Alan Ford]

After Mr. Oswald's arrest, did Conspirators B simply sit back and
------------------boggle at the sheer unexpected audacity of the establishment in trying to pass of Mr. Oswald as a LONE GUNMAN?

Mr. Pat Speer writes at patspeer.com:

"It's amazing to reflect that, in the aftermath of the assassination, Katzenbach, acting as the nation's top cop, had tried to cut-off a thorough, and one might say REAL, investigation at every opportunity, and that, when questioned about this later, he refused to take responsibility, blaming his actions on the FBI and the State Department. It was not HIS job to cater to the insecurities of FBI Director Hoover. It was Hoover's job to answer to him. It was not HIS job to assuage the concerns of the international community. It was HIS job, however, to make sure the assassination was properly and thoroughly investigated, and that those responsible were exposed and brought to justice. Even if one were to acknowledge the likelihood Oswald acted alone, one can not possibly believe that Katzenbach's actions were appropriate and reflective of a high regard for his responsibilities. Robert Kennedy may not have been a giant, but his shoes were clearly too large to be filled by Katzenbach."

Mr. Speer is quite right: Mr. Katzenbach's behavior is amazing. But it becomes fully intelligible once one understands the hidden factor in all this: the assassination was carried out by those taking advantage of a White House-approved, clandestine, false-flag missed-shots incident. All those who had been party to the originally planned false-flag operation were desperately anxious that there NOT be a proper investigation. Not because they weren't outraged by Pres. Kennedy's death. Not because they didn't want the perpetrators punished. But because they were TERRIFIED of the facts about their false-flag operation coming out-------------and what this would do to a) their slain leader's reputation, b) their own situation, c) their country's reputation.

And the person who, more than anyone in the Kennedy inner circle, feared a real investigation was the man who had felt the loss of Pres. Kennedy more acutely than anyone else: his brother, Mr. Robert Kennedy.

Far from letting Pres. Kennedy's brother down, Mr. Katzenbach was doing his bidding to the very letter.

[Alan Ford]

IMO , JFK was probably NOT in the loop on this theoretical false flag shooting plan that Mr. Ford has proposed as an alternative, because it would  have been counter productive to the “better “ relationship that JFK and Kruschev had established after the 62 Missile Crisis,  primarily to avoid nuclear war and from which the Mutual Assured Destruction (MAD) doctrine was developed.

Apologies, Mr. Mason, only seeing this now (it got lost amidst the off-topic deluge courtesy of Messrs. Welch & Storing).....

I believe the Towner film gives the lie to the idea that Pres. Kennedy was out of the loop:



He's leaning forward to look at Mr. Oswald.

A change-of-mind mechanism was built into the plan: Pres. Kennedy will see the flag-waving, know from that the operation is a go, and can choose with a pre-agreed gesture-signal (brushing of hand through hair) whether or not to give the final green light. He gives it.

I believe this explains the hitherto puzzling fact of excised Towner frames just before this in Towner: the unspliced version showed Pres. Kennedy making it a little too obvious that he is keen to check out the doorway



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Aside from Towner, there is the unanimous public and moral support from ALL the Kennedy loyalists (starting with Mr. Robert Kennedy) for the LHO-Acted-Alone fairytale. This is the biggest CYA operation in American political history. And if they knew, then so too would Pres. Kennedy have. No way would they have let him go blind into such a terrifying ordeal as a near-miss gunfire incident.

The false-flag scenario, in short, explains what happened, what Mr. Oswald's precise role was, and why the cover-up was energetically and proactively supported by ALL of the Kennedy inner circle.

Like Mr. Oswald, they were all 'guiltocent' parties to the Dealey Plaza horror. As---------tragically----------was Pres. Kennedy himself.

"It would not be a very difficult job to shoot the president of the United States. All you’d have to do is get up in a high building with a high-powered rifle with a telescopic sight, and there’s nothing anybody could do."
(Pres. John F. Kennedy, morning of 11/22/63

He knew the Dallas motorcade would be no ordinary ride.

[Alan Ford]

Friends, it is hard to convey how foolish I find the behavior of those who continue to stake all on the PM-in-Darnell=LHO claim.

Coming up to the 60th anniversary, they are creating the utterly false impression that Mr. Oswald's claim that he "went outside to watch P. Parade" can ONLY be vindicated by the finding that he is Prayer Man in Darnell.

In doing this, and with such vehemence and such disregard for what the latest evidence shows, they are setting the stage for what will look to everyone else like the complete collapse of the Oswald-Out-Front idea.

And this just at a time when

a) the PM-in-Darnell=LHO claim has been euthanized by the clearer Darnell frame that has emerged


b) Mr. Oswald's actual location in the doorway has been found


2013 saw an important research push. But 2023 trumps it by a big margin.

As I have had cause to note before, the capacity of many CTers to look a gift horse in the mouth is most impressive.............. But: the penny WILL drop. 

[Michael Welch]

Hi Alan, Nope! This is still Billy just waving to the President like everybody else at that moment! You can make up stuff all day long, but I don't think anybody believes it except Zeon! You however are more than welcome to continue to post anything you like! And I hope that everybody else will post too! Thank you for your input! Sincerely yours, Michael

[Zeon Mason]

Since It does not seem logical that  JFK would have jeopardized the improved relations between USA and USSR after the successfully negotiated end to the 62 missile  crisis, then I propose that the purpose of a fake shooting episode would be to allow a more robust investigation of the anti Castro Cuban element that the FBI ( Guy Bannister) had been surveilling in New Orleans and probably had Oswald in that role of “the Marxist” in the midst of all those other white shirt and black tie Cubans… breathe…to find out more.

And so a false  flag shooter (who probably would never be found) would be labeled as a Cuban “extremist” and JFK could clean up the threat (to himself) that still existed from Bay of Pigs (Alpha 66) element by using the FBI.

What may have happened is that the Cuban BOP element working  for CIA, ( Loran Hall for example ) figured out Oswald was an informant and thru CIA were informed of the false flag plan. It was basically a CIA counter espionage against the FBI/JFK/Oswald/Bannister effort to “clean up” the CIA which had started when JFK removed Dulles as director.

[Zeon Mason]

@Michael Welch: Mr.Ford and myself are often in agreement after MUCH discussion in which I play the role akin to Dr.Watson ( hopefully the smarter version one) throwing out hypotheticals to Mr. Ford ( Sherlock Holmes) and thru this dialogue perhaps a logical alternative to the WC theory may be derived.

I’m quite open to changing my mind on such hypotheticals however , especially if there is some visual detail demonstrated by some means of graphic overlay or geometry or some photographic phenomenon explanation such as GIF/ computer pixel translation of a film.

In the case of “Red Shirt Man” (RSM) in Hughes film on the front steps (west side), raising arm
up and down, having been conventionally labeled as Billy Lovelady, neither Mr. Ford nor myself arbitrarily leaped to the alternative proposition that this person may actually be Oswald instead.

We have questioned why the shirt of RSM does not seem to be the red and black square pattern of a plaid type shirt that Lovelady was wearing as in the Bronson film clip. The shirt appears to be too solid a texture of reddish/brownish tone to be the checkerboard square plaid shirt.

Maybe we are mistaken, so if Mr. Welch has some other more clear film version of Hughes or  can demonstrate that a GIFs translation of Hughes film could morph black and red squares so  the shirt would appear similar to Oswald’s solid texture reddish brownish ( pinkish?) shirt that Oswald actually had on that Friday Nov 22/63 , which shirt Oswald took off at his boarding house… then.. breathe.. that would be helpful.

[Michael Welch]

@Michael Welch: Mr.Ford and myself are often in agreement after MUCH discussion in which I play the role akin to Dr.Watson ( hopefully the smarter version one) throwing out hypotheticals to Mr. Ford ( Sherlock Holmes) and thru this dialogue perhaps a logical alternative to the WC theory may be derived.

I’m quite open to changing my mind on such hypotheticals however , especially if there is some visual detail demonstrated by some means of graphic overlay or geometry or some photographic phenomenon explanation such as GIF/ computer pixel translation of a film.

In the case of “Red Shirt Man” (RSM) in Hughes film on the front steps (west side), raising arm
up and down, having been conventionally labeled as Billy Lovelady, neither Mr. Ford nor myself arbitrarily leaped to the alternative proposition that this person may actually be Oswald instead.

We have questioned why the shirt of RSM does not seem to be the red and black square pattern of a plaid type shirt that Lovelady was wearing as in the Bronson film clip. The shirt appears to be too solid a texture of reddish/brownish tone to be the checkerboard square plaid shirt.

Maybe we are mistaken, so if Mr. Welch has some other more clear film version of Hughes or  can demonstrate that a GIFs translation of Hughes film could morph black and red squares so  the shirt would appear similar to Oswald’s solid texture reddish brownish ( pinkish?) shirt that Oswald actually had on that Friday Nov 22/63 , which shirt Oswald took off at his boarding house… then.. breathe.. that would be helpful.

Hi Zeon, I hope that you are doing well! Thank you for your explanation! In Hughes it won't get any better because he is filming so far away. However, Ike Altgens picture is of the same person, probably within two or three seconds. It is definitely Billy with his shirt unbuttoned on the other side of Carl. Thank you for everything! Sincerely yours, Michael