Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )

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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2254 on: March 12, 2023, 12:42:20 PM »
This person is surely too tall to be a woman. Who the heck is he?

Well, here's what I'm thinking:

He's none other than the black man in cream-colored clothing we see here in Willis, only in Towner he is standing on tiptoe to see Pres. Kennedy over folks' heads-------------



---------------------> Cream-colored man was indeed in the doorway at the time of the P. Parade, but over at the far EAST side. After the shots, he ran out to the street pole:



And he shows up in Hughes not in a strange hue of BLUE but in just the color you would expect him to show up in:



As for our friend in blue, standing just in front of Mr. Lee Harvey Oswald, he may after all be NEITHER of these two men but a DIFFERENT black man:



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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2255 on: March 12, 2023, 02:50:19 PM »
As for our friend in blue, standing just in front of Mr. Lee Harvey Oswald, he may after all be NEITHER of these two men but a DIFFERENT black man:



One thing we can say about the man on the far east side of the doorway------------whom I have tentatively identified as our cream-colored-clothes man seen in Willis, i.e. Mr. Carl Edward Jones-------------is that he is TALL.

But so is our man in blue on the WEST side, whose spatial relationship to the white column tells us he is only TWO STEPS UP:



If only there were another TALL BLACK male employee-----------other, that is, than Mr. Carl Edward Jones------------who might fit the bill for our man in blue over by the west column of the doorway.

Well, here's a thing................





Have you ever been struck by the fact that Mr. Charles Givens is the only manual worker in the Depository who puts himself away from Dealey Plaza at the time of the P. Parade?

And have you ever wondered why it was that, just as the cops were closing in on Mr. Oswald at the Texas Theatre, DPD were suddenly desperately anxious to get a hold of this same Mr. Charles Givens?



So! I have a simple question: Was Mr. Charles Givens dressed in light blue clothing that day?

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2256 on: March 12, 2023, 03:01:49 PM »
So! I have a simple question: Was Mr. Charles Givens dressed in light blue clothing that day?


Disaster One:



Officer Baker mentions to other law enforcement the man-who-works-here whom he and the building manager caught walking away from the rear stairway several floors up.

Mr. Truly, his back against the wall, at some point is forced to make an identification of this man-who-works-here: he throws Mr. Oswald to the wolves.

Disaster Two:

Word reaches law enforcement that a black manual worker name of Givens has been saying he saw Oswald at the time of the shooting.

'Where did he see him?'
'Front steps.'
'Uh oh.......... We gotta get a hold of this Givens fellow, pronto. The fact that he has a police record should work in our favor.'

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2257 on: March 12, 2023, 05:58:34 PM »
Word reaches law enforcement that a black manual worker name of Givens has been saying he saw Oswald at the time of the shooting.

'Where did he see him?'
'Front steps.'
'Uh oh.......... We gotta get a hold of this Givens fellow, pronto. The fact that he has a police record should work in our favor.'

Mr. SAWYER. No. There is another broadcast in there somewhere, though. I put out another description on the colored boy that worked in that department.
Mr. BELIN. What do you mean the colored boy that worked in that depository?
Mr. SAWYER. He is one that had a previous record in the narcotics, and he was supposed to have been a witness to the man being on that floor. He was supposed to have been a witness to Oswald being there.
Mr. BELIN. Would Charles Givens have been that boy?
Mr. SAWYER. Yes, I think that is the name, and I put out a description on him.
Mr. BELIN. How do you know he was supposed to be a witness on that?
Mr. SAWYER. Somebody told me that. Somebody came to me with the information. And again, that particular party, whoever it was, I don't know. I remember that a deputy sheriff came up to me who had been over taking these affidavits, that I sent them over there, and he came over from the sheriff's office with a picture and a description of this colored boy and he said that he was supposed to have worked at the Texas Book Depository, and he was the one employee who was missing, or he was missing from the building.
He wasn't accounted for, and that he was suppose to have some information about the man that did the shooting.
Mr. BELIN. When you say about the man who did the shooting, did you know at that time who did the shooting?
Mr. SAWYER. No.


Sawyer, Sawyer, pants on fire!

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2258 on: March 12, 2023, 06:13:05 PM »
Mr. BALL. Where is the last place you saw Givens?
Mr. TRULY. The last place I remember seeing Givens was in the middle of the crossing, in the middle of Houston Street.
Mr. BALL. Walking in which direction?
Mr. TRULY. Walking east.
Mr. BALL. Walking east on the north side of Elm?
Mr. TRULY. North side of Elm--he had not completely crossed the Houston Street.


How wonderfully observant of you, Mr. Truly!

Mr. TRULY. When I noticed this boy was missing, I told Chief Lumpkin that "We have a man here that's missing." I said, "It my not mean anything, but he isn't here." I first called down to the other warehouse and had Mr. Akin pull the application of the boy so I could get--quickly get his address in Irving and his general description, so I could be more accurate than I would be.
Mr. BALL. Was he the only man missing?
Mr. TRULY. The only one I noticed at that time. Now, I think there was one or two more, possibly Charles Givens, but I had seen him out in front walking up the street just before the firing of the gun.


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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2259 on: March 13, 2023, 02:07:13 AM »
Mr. Oswald is on the fourth step up, which would appear to put Mr. Lovelady, when he makes his fleeting leaning appearance in Hughes, up on the landing:



Which brings us back to the riddle of Towner!

This, I think, is Ms. Madie Reese:



And here's the object flapping furiously:



For the longest time, I thought THIS was somebody in the background being revealed when the object flapped up:



But watching the clip slowed down, I now believe it's actually the flapping object itself, unfurled into its square/rectangular shape:



What in the heck is this object? A flag??

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2260 on: March 13, 2023, 02:18:27 AM »
For the longest time, I thought THIS was somebody in the background being revealed when the object flapped up:



But watching the clip slowed down, I now believe it's actually the flapping object itself, unfurled into its square/rectangular shape

However!

This does NOT mean that there is nobody standing behind the flapping object:




This is--------------I believe------------the right leg of Mr. Billy Lovelady. And we can see some of the left leg too just left of Ms. Reese. The height seems right for where we are but instants away from seeing Mr. Lovelady in Bell.

But.............. his upper body has been blacked out. (Two Loveladys in the doorway: not allowed!)

There seems simply no other logical explanation for how we go from these Towner frames straight into these Bell frames:



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