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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2247 on: March 11, 2023, 10:14:23 AM »
Mr. Oswald is on the fourth step up, which would appear to put Mr. Lovelady, when he makes his fleeting leaning appearance in Hughes, up on the landing:



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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2248 on: March 11, 2023, 11:27:43 AM »
Now! Let's separate out the questions:

Q1. Is the black man in front of Mr. Oswald in Hughes Mr. Carl Edward Jones?
Q2. If he is NOT Mr. Jones, is he Mr. Roy Edward Lewis?


I am interested in this hitherto unidentified fellow standing behind the glass of the front entrance:



The fact that he is in the front lobby of the building strongly suggests he is an employee.

Is this the same guy (black arrow), seen outside? I think so:



Given that we have never seen a verified photograph of Mr. Carl Edward Jones, I think the man at the black arrow may be at least as strong a candidate for the 33-year-old TSBD employee Mr. Carl Edward Jones as the man at the white arrow.

Murray shows this man in short sleeves, which would seem to rule him out as the man in front of Mr. Oswald during the motorcade:



Seems to me the black man showing up in blue in Hughes in front of Mr. Oswald at the time of the assassination may well be none of the the black men shown in the photograph with the black & white arrows.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2249 on: March 12, 2023, 01:08:41 AM »
Ms. Ruth Dean's dark top is a short jacket rather than a coat---------Wiegman and Bell show the lighter-colored skirt/dress covering the lower part of her body:




This means that Mr. Hackerott is correct that the blue just to the (i.e. our) right of Mr. Lovelady is NOT Ms. Dean. It may indeed, as he suggests, be the pants of a man standing on the landing BEHIND him!

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2250 on: March 12, 2023, 12:18:53 PM »
Seems to me the black man showing up in blue in Hughes in front of Mr. Oswald at the time of the assassination may well be none of the the black men shown in the photograph with the black & white arrows.

Well!

Look at these two figures on each side of the doorway in Towner:



What's interesting about the person on the right (green arrow) is that their left elbow is clearly out in front of the white column. (They appear to be shielding their eyes from the sun.) This surely puts them no further up than the second step up:



So---------two figures on the second step up.

Now let's compare with these two figures standing on the second step up (=fifth step down) in Willis:



The bigger guy in Willis only comes up to the top of the THIRD row of white grid stonework (beside doorway). Now compare the figure on the right (green arrow) in Towner:



This person is standing on the same step as 'Carl Edward Jones' is standing on in Willis (second step up = fifth step down), yet their head is well up to a level with the FOURTH row of stonework.

This person is surely too tall to be a woman. Who the heck is he?

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2251 on: March 12, 2023, 12:42:20 PM »
This person is surely too tall to be a woman. Who the heck is he?

Well, here's what I'm thinking:

He's none other than the black man in cream-colored clothing we see here in Willis, only in Towner he is standing on tiptoe to see Pres. Kennedy over folks' heads-------------



---------------------> Cream-colored man was indeed in the doorway at the time of the P. Parade, but over at the far EAST side. After the shots, he ran out to the street pole:



And he shows up in Hughes not in a strange hue of BLUE but in just the color you would expect him to show up in:



As for our friend in blue, standing just in front of Mr. Lee Harvey Oswald, he may after all be NEITHER of these two men but a DIFFERENT black man:



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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2252 on: March 12, 2023, 02:50:19 PM »
As for our friend in blue, standing just in front of Mr. Lee Harvey Oswald, he may after all be NEITHER of these two men but a DIFFERENT black man:



One thing we can say about the man on the far east side of the doorway------------whom I have tentatively identified as our cream-colored-clothes man seen in Willis, i.e. Mr. Carl Edward Jones-------------is that he is TALL.

But so is our man in blue on the WEST side, whose spatial relationship to the white column tells us he is only TWO STEPS UP:



If only there were another TALL BLACK male employee-----------other, that is, than Mr. Carl Edward Jones------------who might fit the bill for our man in blue over by the west column of the doorway.

Well, here's a thing................





Have you ever been struck by the fact that Mr. Charles Givens is the only manual worker in the Depository who puts himself away from Dealey Plaza at the time of the P. Parade?

And have you ever wondered why it was that, just as the cops were closing in on Mr. Oswald at the Texas Theatre, DPD were suddenly desperately anxious to get a hold of this same Mr. Charles Givens?



So! I have a simple question: Was Mr. Charles Givens dressed in light blue clothing that day?

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2253 on: March 12, 2023, 03:01:49 PM »
So! I have a simple question: Was Mr. Charles Givens dressed in light blue clothing that day?


Disaster One:



Officer Baker mentions to other law enforcement the man-who-works-here whom he and the building manager caught walking away from the rear stairway several floors up.

Mr. Truly, his back against the wall, at some point is forced to make an identification of this man-who-works-here: he throws Mr. Oswald to the wolves.

Disaster Two:

Word reaches law enforcement that a black manual worker name of Givens has been saying he saw Oswald at the time of the shooting.

'Where did he see him?'
'Front steps.'
'Uh oh.......... We gotta get a hold of this Givens fellow, pronto. The fact that he has a police record should work in our favor.'

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