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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2240 on: March 10, 2023, 01:56:52 AM »
Making the necessary correction to the Lovelady position will of course offer a more accurate representation of where in the doorway he is in Bell (more towards the center). This will allow us to cross-refer nicely with Mr. Lovelady's fleeting appearance, just a couple of seconds prior, in Hughes:

The center railing, against which Ms. Reese is standing/leaning:



A wider shot:



Given that Mr. Bell is NOT filming the doorway head-on, but is slightly west of it, there now can be no serious question but that Mr. Lovelady is well over towards the center of the doorway-------------------which of course is just where his fleeting appearance (as he leans west) in the Hughes film but two seconds earlier puts him also.

GREEN ARROW: MR. LEE HARVEY OSWALD
YELLOW ARROW: MR. BILLY NOLAN LOVELADY



[Credit for posting source GIF: Mr. Jerry Organ]

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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2241 on: March 10, 2023, 02:24:06 AM »
What now for Warren Gullibility, that bizarre cult of propagandists and midwits?

Their central article of faith----------that Mr. Oswald shot Pres. Kennedy----------has just been exploded. Every time henceforth that they post anything that proceeds from the assumption that Mr. Oswald was up on the sixth floor firing those shots, they will just be advertising their own stupidity, delusion and/or dishonesty. Their every saying will be haunted by the ghost of this man, whose murder by Mr. Jack Ruby they have openly celebrated and whose agonies in the electric chair they have fantasized about:



My friendly advice to these sad kooks (once the reality of what has just happened has sunk in with the wider research community and beyond, as sink in it certainly will) would be to emulate DPD in the first hours after Mr. Oswald's arrest: go all in on the Tippit case. Meanwhile, the Warren Critics can continue to inquire into the still unanswered question of who killed JFK (a President many of you hate).

Either that or go reflect a while on the idiocy of this dogmatic slumber you have been in all these years-------------and then go find a more productive and less pathetic hobby.

It is, in short, over, Warren Gullibles------------------let it go.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2242 on: March 10, 2023, 11:06:39 AM »
Given that Mr. Bell is NOT filming the doorway head-on, but is slightly west of it,

The identification of the center railing is most helpful!

Arrows point to edge of Mr. Lovelady's left shoulder and to Ms. Reese's right elbow:



This brings us closer, but we're not yet quite at the cigar stage. Mr. Bell moved slightly west of where the 3D program has him (it's why he's catching shadow from the tree rather than the full sunlight we earlier see him enjoying on the pedestal). Watch the red vertical line:



There is also still, I think, a slight but impactful scaling issue (yellow arrow):



Friends, I spoke before of the 'investigating' authorities' fear that some member of the public might at any time come forward with clear photo/film evidence of the Lovelady/LHO switcheroo------------i.e. clear evidence that Mr. Lovelady was NOT the only red-shirt-wearing fellow on the west side of the doorway. When Mr. Robert Hughes came forward on 11/26/63 with his home movie, they must have thanked the stars above that a certain little girl had decided to watch the P. Parade from a certain pedestal!



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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2243 on: March 10, 2023, 04:36:37 PM »
The 'Prayer Man' research push was an heroic project, which has culminated in TOTAL vindication on the question of Mr. Oswald's doorway alibi, and PARTIAL vindication on the identification of 'Prayer Man'.

The 'Prayer Man' figure in the Wiegman film IS indeed Mr. Lee Harvey Oswald, his person obscured by the same technique that has thrown a ridiculous fake shadow down Mr. Lovelady's side:



However! The 'Prayer Man' figure in the Darnell film is NOT Mr. Oswald. That person is a woman, who was standing behind Mr. Oswald while he was on the steps:



Those who are still staking all on 'Prayer Man in Darnell', and giving folks to understand that this is the be all and end all, are only setting themselves and others up for disappointment-------------and (quite unintentionally) playing into the hands of the now desperate Warren Gullibles who want Mr. Oswald's real alibi, as established in the preceding pages here, to get lost in the noise of pseudo-controversies.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2244 on: March 10, 2023, 11:27:33 PM »
I still suspect that lower white area is actually sunlit entranceway steps.

Alternatively!



CAR:



Note location relative to yellow street pole:




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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2245 on: March 11, 2023, 02:32:50 AM »
I don’t have the skills that Mr.Ford has at posting photos etc., so I just comment on what my opinion is after observing what already has been posted in this thread ( which is becoming a almost a library at this point:)

It’s still my opinion that the black man is more likely to be Carl Jones.

It’s curious that the WC investigators seem to have avoided a more rigorous interview with Jones and Lewis.

In that more recent  interview of Lewis , near the end of it, a women questions why it appears that the black man in Altgens photo is looking towards Daltex building. Lewis looks at the screen and is not able to give any reason, , and he seems a bit confused.

Note: the abbreviation  BDM will be used for “black doorman” to  designate the black man whom is at the lower west side steps of TSBD and whom Is either Roy Lewis or Carl Jones.

The b&w Weigman film  clips  shows the pants and shirt of “black doorman” (BDM) being  a very light tone of gray approaching almost as white as other shirts of other persons such as Sarah Stanton (fluffy shirt person raising both hands to shade her eyes).


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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2246 on: March 11, 2023, 09:29:36 AM »
I don’t have the skills that Mr.Ford has at posting photos etc., so I just comment on what my opinion is after observing what already has been posted in this thread ( which is becoming a almost a library at this point:)

It’s still my opinion that the black man is more likely to be Carl Jones.

It’s curious that the WC investigators seem to have avoided a more rigorous interview with Jones and Lewis.

In that more recent  interview of Lewis , near the end of it, a women questions why it appears that the black man in Altgens photo is looking towards Daltex building. Lewis looks at the screen and is not able to give any reason, , and he seems a bit confused.

Note: the abbreviation  BDM will be used for “black doorman” to  designate the black man whom is at the lower west side steps of TSBD and whom Is either Roy Lewis or Carl Jones.

The b&w Weigman film  clips  shows the pants and shirt of “black doorman” (BDM) being  a very light tone of gray approaching almost as white as other shirts of other persons such as Sarah Stanton (fluffy shirt person raising both hands to shade her eyes).

In one sense, Mr. Mason, this has become a side-issue since the resolution of the Lovelady vs. LHO question in Hughes-Bell-Towner: the identity of the black man in front of Mr. Oswald does not have any bearing on the identity of Mr. Oswald. The critical issue is not Jones vs. Lewis but Lovelady vs. LHO.

However, it would be good to resolve the matter, not least because of its implications for the Altgens photograph. (To recap: I have argued that the 'investigating' authorities were desperate to obscure what they thought was Mr. Oswald's Coke-holding right arm, and pasted in the face of the black man they thought was just in front of him in the doorway; they found an aftermath profile image of him and used it.)

Now! Let's separate out the questions:

Q1. Is the black man in front of Mr. Oswald in Hughes Mr. Carl Edward Jones?
Q2. If he is NOT Mr. Jones, is he Mr. Roy Edward Lewis?


Re. Q1:

Here's Mr. Jones (or at least the man we all presume to be Mr. Carl Edward Jones) in a color photograph, with a person in white in his vicinity:



And here's the black man in front of Mr. Oswald in Hughes, with a person in white (Ms. Madie Reese) in his vicinity:



I am perturbed by the two very different color stories being told in these respective images.

As it happens, Mr. Hughes has already filmed a man who looks & is dressed strikingly like our Mr. Carl Edward Jones----------walking south at Main-Houston shortly before the motorcade:



He offers a useful point of comparison. Not a hint of blue on the pre-motorcade man (other than his gloves). Can anyone make a gif of this man in which his clothes show up in a shade of blue?

On the other side, here's an aftermath image from Hughes of what appears to be our 'Mr. Jones' from later in the Hughes film. He's leaning against the street pole:



The color of his clothes is more metallic here. HOWEVER: just look at the color of the brown brickwork on the Depository----------very different to the more naturalistic tone of Mr. Hughes' pre-motorcade footage of the Depository front.

If all this can be resolved in favor of our Mr. Jones, then great. But I'm just not at all convinced at this point.

Re. Q2:

I am honestly perturbed by the Bronson film footage of a man who looks (at least from behind) a ringer for the young man we see standing with our Mr. Jones in the aftermath images:




And, while the young man with our Mr. Jones does look quite like Mr. Roy Edward Lewis as shown in MUCH later images (photo in No More Silence + recent conference appearance), I would caution against the assumption that this young man is Mr. Lewis.

IF he is Mr. Lewis, and IF that is him in Bronson, then he was not in the doorway at the time of the assassination. This would offer an alternative explanation for his 'confused' recollection of where he went and what he saw in that doorway.

Which would leave us where exactly? Well, with a third possibility that is worth considering: the black man standing in front of Mr. Oswald in the doorway is NEITHER of the two black men we have been taking to be Mr. Carl Edward Jones and Mr. Roy Edward Lewis.

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What I do NOT question is that the face in profile we see in 'Canonical Altgens' is that of the man in cream clothing on the steps seen in aftermath images. I believe the 'investigating' authorities assumed him to be the black man in front of Mr. Oswald in Wiegman, and took a profile image of him from one of the aftermath photos and pasted it in (with further retouching, e.g. of hair). His face is not in the Cronkite version of Altgens, the only (so I have argued) time the American public were shown the unaltered Altgens photograph.

Here are two profile shots of that man I have taken from two aftermath images. Either could have formed the basis of the profile face we see in post-Cronkite Altgens:





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