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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2016 on: February 13, 2023, 12:01:26 AM »
As to height, it would seem that Mr. Lovelady, at the time of Bell, is on the same step as in the later Wiegman frames:



Altgens/early-Wiegman catches him on a higher step (to get a better view down Elm St., presumably); then he steps back down (later-Wiegman).

As to how far from the center rail he is in Bell, well let's see (drawing lines across Altgens is........ risky)

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Offline Chris Davidson

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2017 on: February 13, 2023, 04:33:10 AM »
Much thanks for this, Mr. Davidson!

If it's not too much trouble, could you give us the map with the red lines going all the way back to Mr. Bell's pedestal?

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Surely.
The first one was connecting him to the center of the pedestal.
I believe he was at the north end according to the photo, so that is where I made this connection.

Offline Patrick Jackson

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2018 on: February 13, 2023, 01:37:07 PM »
I have very little doubt that the LHO was on the front door steps together with Lovelady and that the person in the Hughes film was Roscoe White.

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2019 on: February 13, 2023, 04:57:14 PM »
Surely.
The first one was connecting him to the center of the pedestal.
I believe he was at the north end according to the photo, so that is where I made this connection.


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Perhaps the yellow traffic pole offers another useful point of reference?


Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2020 on: February 13, 2023, 07:13:17 PM »
Pinpoint the traffic pole on a map, then.

It's already pinpointed on the map Mr. Davidson has been using, Mr. Organ

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2021 on: February 13, 2023, 07:56:33 PM »
Friends, there are still some details to be teased out here and there, and some jolly back-and-forth to be had, but I believe we are now at the point where we can-------------for the very first time ever------------track Mr. Lee Harvey Oswald's exact positions/movements during the assassination.

POSITION A

Mr. Oswald is just behind Mr. Carl Edward Jones at the bottom of the west side of the entrance way.

We first see him here in Hughes, sipping from his Coke bottle, which he holds in his right hand-------------

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The next time we see him here is in Towner a couple of seconds later------------



(We don't see him in Bell because he is blocked by all the intervening foliage.)

The final glimpse of him in this same spot is in the version of the Altgens photograph shown live on TV by Mr. Walter Cronkite the evening of the assassination. He is caught doing once again exactly what we saw him do a few seconds prior in Hughes: taking a drink from his Coke, which he holds in his right hand:



POSITION B

Mr. Oswald, in response presumably to hearing the first loud bang, and wishing to better see what's going on down Elm St., has moved across to his left (i.e. east).

He is now here, his recognizable face hidden to history by a ridiculous and physically impossible artificial shadow that has been added down Mr. Lovelady's right side in the Wiegman frames:



By the time of Darnell, he has left the front steps.

The Weaver photo suggests he came out through that glass front door at the very last minute, and so would have stayed on those steps for under a minute in all.

Mr. Oswald claimed in that first interrogation that he "went outside to watch P. Parade", and he was telling the truth. The rest is non-history.

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Offline Chris Davidson

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2022 on: February 13, 2023, 10:34:22 PM »
Alan,

Another would probably be, as you have long suspected, the action upon the TSBD steps so clearly in view from Towner's position.

The splice is between 2+3
A little clearer, hopefully: