Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )

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Offline Rick Plant

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1876 on: February 04, 2022, 06:10:59 AM »
There are several questions with the PM=Sarah Stanton theory.

1. When did Stanton move to that corner?
If it was before Frazier, Williams and Shelley occupy the top landing then its  plausible.
If Stanton remains with Sanders , however until the landing becomes crowded with the presence of Frazier, Williams, Shelley, then it’s less plausible she would try to squeeze thru.

2. What about Billy Lovelady’s WC statement “beside me” when describing where Stanton was in relation to himself?

PM was standing several feet behind Lovelady, so should not Lovelady have said “behind” me?

3. What about a statement that Mr Lovelady allegedly made regarding pointing out the person with hands raised shading her eyes in the Altgens 6 photo as being an office woman who worked on the 2nd floor office?

4. The object in the hand of PM could plausibly be a white coffee cup if PM were Stanton, however , would not such small quantity have been consumed in the 15 minutes prior to PM being seen in the Weigman film frames at 12:30pm?

5. Since a soda bottle appears to have been left coincidentally at the step where PM may have stepped down one step, and since the Hosty note suggests that Oswald had just purchased a  coke before going out to watch the P.Parade, and since that quantity being 3x more approx than coffee cup , the probability (imo) is more in favor of PM=Oswald .

6. Since Stanton did  not describe seeing Baker going up the steps , can this be rationalized if Stanton is on the east side of the hand rail (opposite Lovelady) as having been distracted?

7. If Stanton did leave “immediately” to return into the building, which is the more likely probable position from which to have done so? From the west corner where her way to the front door is blocked by several persons still on the landing, or from a position on the east steps?

7a. If she did leave immediately , should she not have seen Baker, Truly, and Oswald also as they all collide getting into the lobby?

The fact is, that no witness has ever placed Sarah Stanton in the Prayer Man position.

And not one person who subscribes to this ridiculous conspiracy theory can ever answer for that. They simply want to put 300+ pound Sarah Stanton in the Prayer Man position with zero evidence and claim she is the Prayer Man. That's an absolute joke.     

Sarah Stanton was well over 300+ pounds on the day of the assassination. Her relatives stated she was even bigger than that. The Prayer Man figure is not a 300+ pound person. You can see that in the photo. So that automatically disqualifies her as the figure. Plus the figure has a receding hairline and has the build of a man. These Sarah Stanton fan club members can't answer for that either.

Then we have Buell Frazier who gave several interviews and has always said Sarah Stanton was to his left which is the opposite side of where the Prayer Man was standing. Frazier was asked who the Prayer Man was. He said he "did not know". If it was Stanton he would have said so. That proves the figure is not Stanton.

Then you have all the witness testimony, including Sarah Stanton herself, who never places herself in that position. And the Stanton conspiracy theorists never answer for that either. They want to dismiss that crucial fact.           ​

Looking at a highly distorted smeared photo and claiming you see a "female face" in it is not "proof" of anything. That's wishful thinking.   

Every witness placed Sarah Stanton on the east side, including herself, and Buell Frazier. The Sarah Stanton conspiracy theorists can never answer for how they claim Stanton ended up on opposite side where they want her to be. They just pretend she magically appeared in the Prayer Man position with zero evidence. That's why this whole ridiculous conspiracy theory is laughable.       

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1877 on: February 04, 2022, 07:34:15 PM »
There are several questions with the PM=Sarah Stanton theory.

Honestly, Mr Mason, the only question with the PM=Sarah Stanton theory is how anyone could ever have entertained such an absurdity. It died many moons ago

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1878 on: February 05, 2022, 09:56:17 AM »
I strongly believe that a Prayer Person is Pauline Sanders.
Couple of years ago I found her recent photo on Facebook with the same right hand possition as Prayer Person and it was very, very similar.
Unfortunetly, I lost that photo and cannot find it any more.
The missleading thing here is that you are reffering to statements on who was standing where while the limo was passing by but not the positions in Wiegman film.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1879 on: February 05, 2022, 11:03:15 PM »
I strongly believe that a Prayer Person is Pauline Sanders.
Couple of years ago I found her recent photo on Facebook with the same right hand possition as Prayer Person and it was very, very similar.
Unfortunetly, I lost that photo and cannot find it any more.
The missleading thing here is that you are reffering to statements on who was standing where while the limo was passing by but not the positions in Wiegman film.

Do you know about when that photo of Sanders was taken?   

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1880 on: February 06, 2022, 12:34:17 AM »
Do you know about when that photo of Sanders was taken?
I had found her nephew on Facebook based on her obituary. It was published on Facebook like in 2012-13 but the actual photo was earlier. Tried to find it again but lost all the track. I recall that I found her on Ancestry.com but I do not have access now. Also, there is Pauline Sanders on Find a grave but I somehow think that Linda Z. linked it wrongly.
I had that recent photo and the figure and hairline was very, very similar but I lost it at my broken laptop.
It is very interesting to see that in general, we do not have many later photos of witnesses. I was looking for Roscoe White photos after 1963 but none available publicly on the net. Seems that most famlies are not interested to research their relatives participation on 11/22/63.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1881 on: February 06, 2022, 01:06:44 AM »
I had found her nephew on Facebook based on her obituary. It was published on Facebook like in 2012-13 but the actual photo was earlier. Tried to find it again but lost all the track. I recall that I found her on Ancestry.com but I do not have access now. Also, there is Pauline Sanders on Find a grave but I somehow think that Linda Z. linked it wrongly.
I had that recent photo and the figure and hairline was very, very similar but I lost it at my broken laptop.
It is very interesting to see that in general, we do not have many later photos of witnesses. I was looking for Roscoe White photos after 1963 but none available publicly on the net. Seems that most famlies are not interested to research their relatives participation on 11/22/63.

That's too bad about the photo. I know that there are a couple of older photos of Sanders that were published and both of those are group photos pictured with other women. She was seated in one of the photos and her hair was very short. Most of the witness photos are hard to come by and really aren't the best photos to make an accurate determination.   

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1882 on: February 06, 2022, 02:02:09 AM »
I strongly believe that a Prayer Person is Pauline Sanders.
Couple of years ago I found her recent photo on Facebook with the same right hand possition as Prayer Person and it was very, very similar.
Unfortunetly, I lost that photo and cannot find it any more.
The missleading thing here is that you are reffering to statements on who was standing where while the limo was passing by but not the positions in Wiegman film.

Just how many seconds after the passing of the limo do you believe those Wiegman frames were taken?