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Offline Zeon Mason

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #756 on: January 09, 2021, 06:39:22 AM »
If the late Mr.Doyles alleged interview with relatives of Sarah Stanton is true, then Sarah Stanton saw Oswald with a “Pepsi” in hand on the 2nd floor landing BEFORE the lunchroom had cleared of all the office women. Time of observation by Stanton was probably not later than 12:10

So if Oswald already had a bottle in hand  at 12:10 Then it most likely came  from the 1st floor Dr. Pepper machine, otherwise,  Stanton and other office women still in the lunchroom  around 12:00-12:15 would have seen Oswald ENTER the lunchroom , go to the machine and buy a coke.

Seeing the lunchroom was still occupied, perhaps Oswald decided to return to the Domino room.

Carolyn Arnold’s account of returning!? To lunchroom at 12:15 is in conflict with Virgie Rackeys FBI statement of Arnold leaving the office with her presumably together and no account of Arnold separating from Rackley upon exiting the front office door.


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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #757 on: January 09, 2021, 07:02:29 AM »
The fluffy white shirt person being on the East side of the center rail would consistent with Stanton having been at least momentarily beside Pauline Sanders in front of the TSBD entrance door

As I have speculated the fat lady would probably not stay blocking the front door, and would move to some other location, therefore moving down a few step from the front door would place Stanton where fluffy white shirt person is in the Altgens photo.

The item around the neck may very well be a scarf








Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #758 on: January 09, 2021, 12:55:51 PM »
I don't know.... But I'm very doubtful that Mrs Reid saw Lee walking through the office area.   He said that he went to the second floor to gat a coke to go with his lunch....So I seriously doubt that he would have passed through thre office area on his way back down to finish his lunch.

So why did Ms Reid invent the encounter? For kicks?

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #759 on: January 09, 2021, 01:00:43 PM »
Imo, Oswald getting a Dr. Pepper bottle from the 1st floor machine just before going out to front entrance is is plausible because of coincidence of the Dr. Pepper bottle found at just at step and west side wall where PM was standing in Weigman and where PM would have stepped down to get photographed  with arm raised with bottle in hand.

If the original version of Altgens was clear enough to discern not only that the raised arm with bottle in hand was definitely BEHIND the face of Lewis , But that there was also a portion of the solid white Dr. Pepper bottle logo VISIBLE in that hand.....OMG... it’s Oswald!!!

The Dr Pepper is a red herring. Mr Oswald made it clear to Captain Fritz that he bought a Coke from the second floor lunchroom. The machine there did not sell Dr Pepper.

Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #760 on: January 09, 2021, 02:35:31 PM »
So why did Ms Reid invent the encounter? For kicks?

Yes, if you wish to put it that way....She was just engaging in "office gossip"....  She had heard that Lee was wanted for shooting the President, and she  probably said something like " O my God!....I never realized that he had just shot the President when I saw him coming though the office area"   When in reality she saw nothing of the kind, and she didn't realize what that innocent gossip was going to lead to.  The cover up committee that was created by LBJ realized that they could exploit Mrs Reid's gossip and would not allow her to back away from her statement.   Surely you can see that in her testimony......
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Offline Dan O'meara

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #761 on: January 09, 2021, 05:50:48 PM »
Why do you skip over the joint report by Agents Bookhout and Hosty which PRECEDES the Bookhout-only report, and which (unlike that later report) was written while Mr Oswald was still alive? Here's what that earlier report says-------------------

“OSWALD stated that he went to lunch at approximately noon and he claimed he ate his lunch on the first floor in the lunchroom; however he went to the second floor where the Coca-Cola machine was located and obtained a bottle of Coca-Cola ‘for his lunch. OSWALD claimed to’ be on the first floor when President JOHN F. KENNEDY passed by his building.

The eyebrows of alert researchers had long been raised by the rather bizarre vagueness of that last bit: "on the first floor". Where on the first floor?? Thankfully, the mystery was lifted when an EVEN EARLIER report was finally unearthed in 2019: Mr Oswald told Captain Fritz he bought the Coke on two, then came downstairs for lunch, and then "went outside to watch P. Parade". The part of the first floor that Mr Oswald must have specified was: the front entrance.

This document of course destroys at a stroke the lie that Mr Oswald ever confirmed a post-assassination lunchroom encounter with an officer and Mr Truly. In fact he told them something that was completely at odds with the lunchroom encounter story. And so......... they buried it.

Comparing the evolving story told from one interrogation report to the next, in short, allows us to watch a key part of the cover-up against Mr Oswald take shape. If you weren't so besotted with the long-discredited lunchroom-encounter fiction, you would have no trouble recognizing the explosive import of the Hosty draft interrogation report that came to light in 2019-------and you wouldn't be taking recourse to ludicrously strained LNer-style argumentation in a desperate effort to explain its contents away.


"The eyebrows of alert researchers had long been raised by the rather bizarre vagueness of that last bit: "on the first floor". Where on the first floor?? Thankfully, the mystery was lifted when an EVEN EARLIER report was finally unearthed in 2019: Mr Oswald told Captain Fritz he bought the Coke on two, then came downstairs for lunch, and then "went outside to watch P. Parade". The part of the first floor that Mr Oswald must have specified was: the front entrance."

I know that pointing this out is a complete waste of time but you're like a scab I can't help but pick.
When a person is "outside" a building they do not consider themselves to be on any floor of that building and nobody else would consider them to be on any floor of that building.
The only people who would interpret things that way are those who are crazy enough to believe Oswald was African American or that Joe Molina is Sarah Stanton.
People who are rabidly defending a  BS: theory that is supported by zero evidence.
The only thing you ever offer is this note by Hosty but what does Hosty have to say about this in his own book - "Assignment: Oswald"

"With his cowboy hat tilted back on his head, Fritz leaned back
in his chair and asked, "Okay now, Lee, you work at the Texas
School Book Depository, isn't that right?"
"Yeah, that's right", Oswald answered, very politely
"When did you start working there?" Fritz asked.
"About October fifteenth."
"What did you do down there?"
"I was just a common laborer."
"Now, did you have access to all the floors in that building?"
"Of course."
"Tell me what was on each of thse floors."
"The first and second floors have offices. The third and fourth
are storage. So are the fifth and sixth."
"And you were working there today, is that right?"
"Yep."
"Were you there when the president's motorcade went by?"
"Yeah."
"Where were you when the president went by the book
depository?"
"I was eating my lunch in the first-floor lunchroom."
"What time was that?"
"About noon."
"Were you ever on the second floor around the time the
president was shot?"
"Well, yeah. I went up there to get a bottle of Coca-Cola from
the machine for my lunch."
"But where were you when the president actually passed your
building?"
"On the first floor in the lunchroom." [my emphasis]

Even Hosty contradicts the one piece of "evidence" Alan holds so dear. Oswald is inside the building at the time of the assassination, exactly as Oswald states himself on video.
But the chances of Fantasia Ford giving up on this are zero.








Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #762 on: January 09, 2021, 07:15:04 PM »

"The eyebrows of alert researchers had long been raised by the rather bizarre vagueness of that last bit: "on the first floor". Where on the first floor?? Thankfully, the mystery was lifted when an EVEN EARLIER report was finally unearthed in 2019: Mr Oswald told Captain Fritz he bought the Coke on two, then came downstairs for lunch, and then "went outside to watch P. Parade". The part of the first floor that Mr Oswald must have specified was: the front entrance."

I know that pointing this out is a complete waste of time but you're like a scab I can't help but pick.
When a person is "outside" a building they do not consider themselves to be on any floor of that building and nobody else would consider them to be on any floor of that building.
The only people who would interpret things that way are those who are crazy enough to believe Oswald was African American or that Joe Molina is Sarah Stanton.
People who are rabidly defending a  BS: theory that is supported by zero evidence.
The only thing you ever offer is this note by Hosty but what does Hosty have to say about this in his own book - "Assignment: Oswald"

"With his cowboy hat tilted back on his head, Fritz leaned back
in his chair and asked, "Okay now, Lee, you work at the Texas
School Book Depository, isn't that right?"
"Yeah, that's right", Oswald answered, very politely
"When did you start working there?" Fritz asked.
"About October fifteenth."
"What did you do down there?"
"I was just a common laborer."
"Now, did you have access to all the floors in that building?"
"Of course."
"Tell me what was on each of thse floors."
"The first and second floors have offices. The third and fourth
are storage. So are the fifth and sixth."
"And you were working there today, is that right?"
"Yep."
"Were you there when the president's motorcade went by?"
"Yeah."
"Where were you when the president went by the book
depository?"
"I was eating my lunch in the first-floor lunchroom."
"What time was that?"
"About noon."
"Were you ever on the second floor around the time the
president was shot?"
"Well, yeah. I went up there to get a bottle of Coca-Cola from
the machine for my lunch."
"But where were you when the president actually passed your
building?"
"On the first floor in the lunchroom." [my emphasis]

Even Hosty contradicts the one piece of "evidence" Alan holds so dear. Oswald is inside the building at the time of the assassination, exactly as Oswald states himself on video.
But the chances of Fantasia Ford giving up on this are zero.

Hi Dan, While I agree with your point that Mr Ford has tunnel vision and refuses to consider any position that conflicts with his, I don't trust Hosty's recollection of the interrogation of Lee Oswald...   For one thing Hosty's version clashes with His own filed reports, and also the reports of Bookhout and Fritz.