Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )

[Walt Cakebread]

Why do you skip over the joint report by Agents Bookhout and Hosty which PRECEDES the Bookhout-only report, and which (unlike that later report) was written while Mr Oswald was still alive? Here's what that earlier report says-------------------

“OSWALD stated that he went to lunch at approximately noon and he claimed he ate his lunch on the first floor in the lunchroom; however he went to the second floor where the Coca-Cola machine was located and obtained a bottle of Coca-Cola ‘for his lunch. OSWALD claimed to’ be on the first floor when President JOHN F. KENNEDY passed by his building.”

The eyebrows of alert researchers had long been raised by the rather bizarre vagueness of that last bit: "on the first floor". Where on the first floor?? Thankfully, the mystery was lifted when an EVEN EARLIER report was finally unearthed in 2019: Mr Oswald told Captain Fritz he bought the Coke on two, then came downstairs for lunch, and then "went outside to watch P. Parade". The part of the first floor that Mr Oswald must have specified was: the front entrance.

This document of course destroys at a stroke the lie that Mr Oswald ever confirmed a post-assassination lunchroom encounter with an officer and Mr Truly. In fact he told them something that was completely at odds with the lunchroom encounter story. And so......... they buried it.

Comparing the evolving story told from one interrogation report to the next, in short, allows us to watch a key part of the cover-up against Mr Oswald take shape. If you weren't so besotted with the long-discredited lunchroom-encounter fiction, you would have no trouble recognizing the explosive import of the Hosty draft interrogation report that came to light in 2019-------and you wouldn't be taking recourse to ludicrously strained LNer-style argumentation in a desperate effort to explain its contents away.

Why do you skip over the joint report by Agents Bookhout and Hosty which PRECEDES the Bookhout-only report, and which (unlike that later report) was written while Mr Oswald was still alive? Here's what that earlier report says-------------------

I didn't skip over the joint report....I did omit the first part that says that Lee went to lunch at noon....We know that the Domino room was full of employees at noon and nobody reported seeing Lee there at that time.... And Lee himself said that he was eating his lunch in the 1st floor lunchroom when Junior Jarman and Harold Norman passed by as they were on their way to the fifth floor at about 12:25.  So Lee DID NOT go to lunch at 12:00 o'clock.

You are stuck on some fantasy tale that Baker and Truly's encounter in the second floor lunchroom never happened ...Which forces you to ignore the statements of Lee Oswald...Roy Truly, Marrion Baker, James Hosty, James Bookhout Captain Fritz, Junior Jarman, Harold Norman, and Secret Service Inspector Thomas Kelley .... Thomas Kelley's report doesn't shed a lot of light on the matter....BUT.... Kelley did report that Lee said something about seeing a two Negro employees who he recognized as employees and one of them was called "Junior", and the other  was a little short statured Negro boy.     

[Alan Ford]

Why do you skip over the joint report by Agents Bookhout and Hosty which PRECEDES the Bookhout-only report, and which (unlike that later report) was written while Mr Oswald was still alive? Here's what that earlier report says-------------------

I didn't skip over the joint report....I did omit the first part that says that lee went to lunch at noon....We know that the Domino room was full of employees at noon and nobody reported seeing Lee there at that time.... And lee himself said that he was eating his lunch in the 1st floor lunchroom when Junior jarman and harold Norman passed by as they were on their way to the fifth floor at about 12:25.  So Lee DID NOT go to lunch at 12:00 o'clock.

You are stuck on some fantasy tale that Baker and Truly's encounter in the second floor lunchroom never happened ...Which forces you to ignore the statements of Lee Oswald...Roy Truly, Marrion Baker, James Hosty, James bookhout Captain Fritz, Junior Jarman, Harold Norman, and Secret Service Inspector Thomas Kelley .... Thomas Kelley's report doesn't shed a lot of light on the matter....BUT.... Kelley did report that Lee said something about seeing a two Negro employees who he recognized as employees and one of them was called "Junior", and the other  was a little short statured Negro boy.     

Lord grant me patience with this one!

1. You did omit the joint report, skipping straight to the Bookhout-only report.

2. Mr Oswald, as we now know from the earliest interrogation report, claimed to have gone "outside to watch P. Parade" AFTER visiting the second floor lunchroom. You are falling for the scam pulled by those who buried his claim because they understood how dangerous it was to the narrative they were constructing against him.

3. Mr Oswald saw Messrs Jarman & Norman AFTER he had a) bought his Coke on the second floor and b) returned to the first floor to eat his lunch. (Messrs Jarman & Norman were re-entering the building by the back door to head upstairs.) Shortly after this, Mr Oswald went outside to watch the P. Parade.

Question for you, Mr Cakebread: What do you believe Mr Oswald actually told Captain Fritz re. second-floor lunchroom and his whereabouts when JFK passed the building? Be specific! 

[Walt Cakebread]

Lord grant me patience with this one!

1. You did omit the joint report, skipping straight to the Bookhout-only report.

2. Mr Oswald, as we now know from the earliest interrogation report, claimed to have gone "outside to watch P. Parade" AFTER visiting the second floor lunchroom. You are falling for the scam pulled by those who buried his claim because they understood how dangerous it was to the narrative they were constructing against him.

3. Mr Oswald saw Messrs Jarman & Norman AFTER he had a) bought his Coke on the second floor and b) returned to the first floor to eat his lunch. (Messrs Jarman & Norman were re-entering the building by the back door to head upstairs.) Shortly after this, Mr Oswald went outside to watch the P. Parade.

Question for you, Mr Cakebread: What do you believe Mr Oswald actually told Captain Fritz re. second-floor lunchroom and his whereabouts when JFK passed the building? Be specific! 

3. Mr Oswald saw Messrs Jarman & Norman AFTER he had a) bought his Coke on the second floor and b) returned to the first floor to eat his lunch. (Messrs Jarman & Norman were re-entering the building by the back door to head upstairs.) Shortly after this, Mr Oswald went outside to watch the P. Parade.



No, that's not correct.....  Jarman and Norman passed by the Domino room at about 12:25 which was a few minutes BEFORE the P. Parade arrived.....AFTER they passed by the Domino room, Lee then went to the Second floor lunchroom and was there when Officer Baker and Roy Truly encountered him there with a coke in his hands.   Lee said that after Baker and Truly departed he returned to the Domino room to finish his lunch before going outside......Perhaps Lee thought the P. Parade was still passing by at that time, But we know that Baker entered the TSBD in search of the culprit who had fired a gun from the roof of the TSBD. and by the time Lee finished his lunch the P. Parade was over.....

What do you believe Mr Oswald actually told Captain Fritz re. second-floor lunchroom and his whereabouts when JFK passed the building?

Lee told Fritz that he had started eating his lunch when he saw Jarman and Norman walk by the windows of the Domino room.  After they boarded the elevator, and departed,  Lee decided that he wanted a Coke to consume with his sandwich so he went to the second floor lunchroom where the coke machine was located.  Lee was probably on the stairs or in the 2nd floor lunchroom at the time the shots were fired, because there is no report of Lee hearing any shots fired.  ( The Fact that Lee never mentioned hearing any gun fire is revealing...and the fact that none of his interrogators asked him if he had heard any gun shots is highly suspicious....   they asked all the other witnesses how many shots they had heard but they never asked Lee if he had heard any shots. ?)

So based on the reports filed....I believe that Lee Told Fritz that he was in the 2nd floor lunchroom with a coke in his hand when officer Baker burst into the room with his side arm in his hand. And I believe that Lee Told Fritz that he returned to the first floor with his coke to finish his lunch and after that he went outside to watch the P.Parade. 

Lee had no idea that shots had been fired and was perplexed at seeing Baker burst into the second floor lunchroom with his gun  in his hand.   Since He was ignorant and in the dark about the events unfolding outside, he simply assumed that the Parade was passing by  and so he went outside to watch.....

[Alan Ford]

Lee had no idea that shots had been fired and was perplexed at seeing Baker burst into the second floor lunchroom with his gun  in his hand.   Since He was ignorant and in the dark about the events unfolding outside, he simply assumed that the Parade was passing by  and so he went outside to watch.....

Ah, so the encounter with Ms Reid, in which she told him JFK had been shot, never happened?

[Zeon Mason]

I dont see any problem with Oswald eating lunch in the Domino room having seen Norman and Jarman returning at approx 12:23 as they  passed by the Domino room ( they left front of TSBD approx 12:22 after overhearing a police radio reporting JFK motorcade was soon arriving to Dealey Plaza.

Imo, Oswald getting a Dr. Pepper bottle from the 1st floor machine just before going out to front entrance is is plausible because of coincidence of the Dr. Pepper bottle found at just at step and west side wall where PM was standing in Weigman and where PM would have stepped down to get photographed  with arm raised with bottle in hand.

If the original version of Altgens was clear enough to discern not only that the raised arm with bottle in hand was definitely BEHIND the face of Lewis , But that there was also a portion of the solid white Dr. Pepper bottle logo VISIBLE in that hand.....OMG... it’s Oswald!!!

[Walt Cakebread]

Ah, so the encounter with Ms Reid, in which she told him JFK had been shot, never happened?

I don't know.... But I'm very doubtful that Mrs Reid saw Lee walking through the office area.   He said that he went to the second floor to gat a coke to go with his lunch....So I seriously doubt that he would have passed through thre office area on his way back down to finish his lunch. ......AND IF he had encountered Mrs Reid...he would certainly have told his interrogators that Mrs Reid could verify that he had a coke in his hands after his encounter with officer Baker. ( and she did in fact say that he had a coke AFTER she was told that Lee said that he had bought a coke from the coke machine in the 2nd lunchroom )

[Walt Cakebread]

I dont see any problem with Oswald eating lunch in the Domino room having seen Norman and Jarman returning at approx 12:23 as they  passed by the Domino room ( they left front of TSBD approx 12:22 after overhearing a police radio reporting JFK motorcade was soon arriving to Dealey Plaza.

Imo, Oswald getting a Dr. Pepper bottle from the 1st floor machine just before going out to front entrance is is plausible because of coincidence of the Dr. Pepper bottle found at just at step and west side wall where PM was standing in Weigman and where PM would have stepped down to get photographed  with arm raised with bottle in hand.

If the original version of Altgens was clear enough to discern not only that the raised arm with bottle in hand was definitely BEHIND the face of Lewis , But that there was also a portion of the solid white Dr. Pepper bottle logo VISIBLE in that hand.....OMG... it’s Oswald!!!

I dont see any problem with Oswald eating lunch in the Domino room having seen Norman and Jarman returning at approx 12:23 as they  passed by the Domino room

It was after he saw Jarman and Norman pass by the Domino room that Lee decided that he wanted a coke to go with his sandwich, and he then went to the second floor lunchroom to buy that coke. He apparently went to the second floor about 12:28 and he was there when Baker burst into the lunchroom with his revolver in his hand., about 90 seconds after the first shot was fired.