Conspiracy of the Three Stooges

[Colin Crow]

JohnM feels that Williams, who eventually claimed to have gone alone to the 6th floor in anticipation of joining workmates, saw Oswald in the SN and for some reason then decided to leave and look for others on the 5th floor.

What do you mean for "some reason", Williams came up to see Norman and Jarman and after politely excusing himself BRW went downstairs to hang out with who he originally intended to be with.

JohnM

I can only provide the evidence of what Williams himself said, and that was he "thought that everybody was going to be on the 6th floor" and obviously everybody includes both Jarman and Norman.



JohnM

Williams recalled Arce and Loveday mentioning the 6th floor. Assumes all his workmates will be there. Does that include all employees or the floor laying crew....who knows? You believe he saw one of them, Oswald, then decides to leave for the 5th floor on the basis of maybe hearing some noise below and the off chance some other workmates might be there. Is that better?


PS thanks for the photo....sh1tscared indeed!!!

[John Mytton]

Williams recalled Arce and Loveday mentioning the 6th floor. Assumes all his workmates will be there. Does that include all employees or the floor laying crew....who knows? You believe he saw one of them, Oswald, then decides to leave for the 5th floor on the basis of maybe hearing some noise below and the off chance some other workmates might be there. Is that better?


PS thanks for the photo....sh1tscared indeed!!!

on the basis of maybe hearing some noise below

Not just noises but voices, look at where Norman and Jarman were and reportedly they were hanging out the windows to talk to each other, so if Williams was directly above in the sniper's nest then he would have been closer to Norman than Jarman was.



JohnM

[Colin Crow]

Not just noises but voices, look at where Norman and Jarman were and reportedly they were hanging out the windows to talk to each other, so if Williams was directly above in the sniper's nest then he would have been closer to Norman than Jarman was.



JohnM

No mention of hearing voices......but maybe walking or window movement.

Mr. BALL. Why did you stop on the fifth floor?
Mr. WILLIAMS. To see if there was anyone there.
Mr. BALL. Did you know there was anyone there before you started down?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Well, I thought I heard somebody walking, the windows moving or something. I said maybe someone is down there, I said to myself. And I just went on down.
Mr. BALL. Did you find anybody there?
Mr. WILLIAMS. As I remember, when I was walking up, I think Harold Norman and James Jarman as I remember, they was down facing the Elm Street on the fifth floor, as I remember.

As he was directly above at the time at an open window, not at the 3rd or 4th set of windows from the east behind closed windows.....certainly possible.

[John Mytton]

PS thanks for the photo....sh1tscared indeed!!!

Agreed, the look on Williams face doesn't seem to jibe with the tone of his testimony.



Now I don't know how much evidence that Williams was aware of or what he had access to but it's interesting that Williams specifically pinpoints the SN window and without hesitation names Oswald as being in that window whereas neither Jarman or Norman said anything about Oswald, did Williams say Oswald because he knew beyond all doubt that it was in fact Oswald?

Mr. BALL. Norman said he could hear it?
Mr. WILLIAMS. He said he could hear it. He was directly under the window that Oswald shot from.

Btw if someone was firing at the President of the United States from the floor directly above, would you stay where you are and be as quiet as a mouse or would run across the floor and be closer to the elevator and stairs.

JohnM

[John Mytton]

No mention of hearing voices......but maybe walking or window movement.

Mr. BALL. Why did you stop on the fifth floor?
Mr. WILLIAMS. To see if there was anyone there.
Mr. BALL. Did you know there was anyone there before you started down?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Well, I thought I heard somebody walking, the windows moving or something. I said maybe someone is down there, I said to myself. And I just went on down.
Mr. BALL. Did you find anybody there?
Mr. WILLIAMS. As I remember, when I was walking up, I think Harold Norman and James Jarman as I remember, they was down facing the Elm Street on the fifth floor, as I remember.

As he was directly above at the time at an open window, not at the 3rd or 4th set of windows from the east behind closed windows.....certainly possible.

He does say "or something" which would have to be voices and these voices would help lead him to conclude that there were people down below.

JohnM

[Colin Crow]

Agreed, the look on Williams face doesn't seem to jibe with the tone of his testimony.



Now I don't know how much evidence that Williams was aware of or what he had access to but it's interesting that Williams specifically pinpoints the SN window and without hesitation names Oswald as being in that window whereas neither Jarman or Norman said anything about Oswald, did Williams say Oswald because he knew beyond all doubt that it was in fact Oswald?

Btw if someone was firing at the President of the United States from the floor directly above, would you stay where you are and be as quiet as a mouse or would run across the floor and be closer to the elevator and stairs.

JohnM

We also have this....

Mr. BALL. You were at what window?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Well, I believe we was on the east side of the window, and I think Hank was--I think he was directly under the sixth floor window where Oswald was supposed to have shot the President from. And I think I was a window over. And I think James Jarman was two or three windows over.

Mr. BALL. Did you see Oswald on the sixth floor that morning?
Mr. WILLIAMS. I am not sure. I think I saw him once messing around with some cartons or something, back over the east side of the building. But he wasn't in the window that they said he shot the President from.

Not really supportive of your point.

[John Mytton]

We also have this....

Mr. BALL. You were at what window?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Well, I believe we was on the east side of the window, and I think Hank was--I think he was directly under the sixth floor window where Oswald was supposed to have shot the President from. And I think I was a window over. And I think James Jarman was two or three windows over.

Mr. BALL. Did you see Oswald on the sixth floor that morning?
Mr. WILLIAMS. I am not sure. I think I saw him once messing around with some cartons or something, back over the east side of the building. But he wasn't in the window that they said he shot the President from.

Not really supportive of your point.

You missed the point and have taken your quotes out of context, much like Oswald finally admitting that he came down from the 6th floor, the following exchange was made when Williams was equally relaxed and he subconsciencly just blurted out an honest response, Williams knew Oswald was in the sniper's nest and was thus he was speaking from a foundation of truth where honesty cannot be disguised.

Mr. BALL. Norman said he could hear it?
Mr. WILLIAMS. He said he could hear it. He was directly under the window that Oswald shot from.

JohnM