What happened to the Mauser?

[Jim Brazell]

This is pedantic nonsense.  Here is a simple question.  Why would the conspirators link Oswald to an MC rifle but leave a Mauser at the TSBD?  If you don't believe any shots were fired from the TSBD, why leave two guns there?  If you think JFK was assassinated with the Mauser, why not link Oswald to that rifle instead of the MC rifle and save themselves the obvious risk and trouble of having to retrieve a second rifle from the authorities?   The Mauser issue is completely ridiculous.  Second only to the endless thread about the bag.  A misstatement was made because the MC rifle looks similar.  It is then repeated by others.  Eventually it is corrected.  End of story.

Wow, first I have never said that Oswald was the lone shooter on the 6th floor (not sure if he shot at all ) but was the designated patsy in this thing. There is also testimony of seeing someone at the WEST end of the 6th floor pacing back & forth (described as a Negro) but could have been a dark complected man (Loy Factor?)..there was no partition on the 6th floor so one would have seen the other. I believe that the gun being a MC or a Mauser or British (in 3 minutes below all are reported) is very much a secondary issue. It was reported that the Mauser was found on the "staircase of the 5th floor". I realize that even with a magnifying glass, identification could be a challenge but hopefully the crackerjack DPD could tell a staircase from a row of boxes. All it takes is anyone or any involvement of any kind (financier, radio etc,etc) to be a conspiracy.We know LHO received monthly checks of $200 from the CIA. There are bullets all over Dealey Plaza and not just 2. So, if there was one to the windshield, chrome, manhole cover, in the grass,etc that is ONE bullet too many.(And there was). The clip below starts out with 3 IDs of the gun...the first being a 6.5 MM 30/30, then a Mauser 7.65 and even a British.My question WHY THE CONFUSION OF THE GUN'S ID ? The best method would be to LOOK with your own eyes...a magnifying glass is a big bonus.
   

Later in this thread someone posts a written report that the gun was taken to the lab and examined way before 7 p.m.(Between 12:45 to 1:15 I  believe) In the clip below, Lt. Day himself (in addition to handling the gun in the trigger area-GREAT chain of custody & non contamination of evidence BTW) says he started examining for finger prints at 6:30-7 p.m. As he holds the gun aloft the clock behind him says 6:15 p.m.Says he FOUND NO EVIDENCE of Oswald "recent" palm print on the gun...only an older one. No worry though, 2 FBI/CIA guys went to the Funeral home and asked to be alone with Oswald. When they left Mr. Groody I believe said there were ink that had to be removed from the hands. 

   

[Walt Cakebread]

Wow, first I have never said that Oswald was the lone shooter on the 6th floor (not sure if he shot at all ) but was the designated patsy in this thing. There is also testimony of seeing someone at the WEST end of the 6th floor pacing back & forth (described as a Negro) but could have been a dark complected man (Loy Factor?)..there was no partition on the 6th floor so one would have seen the other. I believe that the gun being a MC or a Mauser or British (in 3 minutes below all are reported) is very much a secondary issue. It was reported that the Mauser was found on the "staircase of the 5th floor". I realize that even with a magnifying glass, identification could be a challenge but hopefully the crackerjack DPD could tell a staircase from a row of boxes. All it takes is anyone or any involvement of any kind (financier, radio etc,etc) to be a conspiracy.We know LHO received monthly checks of $200 from the CIA. There are bullets all over Dealey Plaza and not just 2. So, if there was one to the windshield, chrome, manhole cover, in the grass,etc that is ONE bullet too many.(And there was). The clip below starts out with 3 IDs of the gun...the first being a 6.5 MM 30/30, then a Mauser 7.65 and even a British.My question WHY THE CONFUSION OF THE GUN'S ID ? The best method would be to LOOK with your own eyes...a magnifying glass is a big bonus.
   

Later in this thread someone posts a written report that the gun was taken to the lab and examined way before 7 p.m.(Between 12:45 to 1:15 I  believe) In the clip below, Lt. Day himself (in addition to handling the gun in the trigger area-GREAT chain of custody & non contamination of evidence BTW) says he started examining for finger prints at 6:30-7 p.m. As he holds the gun aloft the clock behind him says 6:15 p.m.Says he FOUND NO EVIDENCE of Oswald "recent" palm print on the gun...only an older one. No worry though, 2 FBI/CIA guys went to the Funeral home and asked to be alone with Oswald. When they left Mr. Groody I believe said there were ink that had to be removed from the hands. 

   

Lt. Day himself (in addition to handling the gun in the trigger area-GREAT chain of custody & non contamination of evidence BTW) says he started examining for finger prints at 6:30-7 p.m.

Just for the record.... ( I'm not disputing that the rifle that was planted by hiding it carefully beneath boxes of books was a Mannlicher Carcano.  )  Lt Day was one of the biggest liars of the case.....

You can see with your own eyes ( Tom Alyea film) that Lt Day examined the rifle for finger prints in the TSBD at about 1:45 pm that afternoon.

[Matt Grantham]

Stop falling for the LNers game. The Mauser issue has a lot of supporting evidence. It does NOT need or rely on Roger Craig.

FWIW, I have seen no evidence showing what Craig said to be a lie.

 Rob I am not sure if I have expressed to you my take about the significance of my personal conclusions, or even the nature of conclusions in general There  is some term like firmly researched opinions loosely held For instance I am not sure I am convinced the gun found by Boone is what we are seeing in the film Nor am I convinced there is only one rifle under consideration But given certain caveats , such as, agreeing that Fritz, Weitzman and Boone are all looking at the rifle found in the north end near the stairway, and I have to choose Mauser or Carcano I guess I am going to MC for me at leat that is really a pretty poor measure of assessing my overall impressions of the circumstances and questions that arise in regard to the question

 Certainly I can be accused of being wishy washy but conclusions are overrated imo,

[Walt Cakebread]

Interesting Mr. Caster's story is nowhere to be found in the narrative.
it is only referenced (without name - um, I mean buried) in these 2 pages of the WCR.

Page 601
Fritz Interrogation Report
"...I asked if he had owned a rifle, he said he had not. He said that he had seen one at the building a few days ago, and that Mr. Truly and some of the employees were looking at it..."

Page 612
FBI REPORT
Captain FRITZ asked OSWALD if he ever owned a rifle and OSWALD stated that he had observed a MR. Truly, a supervisor at the Texas School Book Depository on November 20, 1963, display a rifle to some individuals in his office on the first floor of the Texas School Book Depository, but denied ever owning a rifle himself.    DL 89-43 /  Hosty & Bookout

Fritz Interrogation Report
"...I asked if he had owned a rifle, he said he had not. He said that he had seen one at the building a few days ago, and that Mr. Truly and some of the employees were looking at it..."

Hi Micheal....  Don't you feel that there is something wrong with this statement by Fritz??....
Fritz says that he asked lee if he had owned a rifle and Lee allegedly immediately replied that "he had seen one in the building a few days ago".....

I feel that Lee's reply would make sense if he was referring to a specific rifle  ......Such as....

I asked if he had owned a this rifle, and he said that he did not, but he had seen one that looked like that rifle in the building a few days ago.

[Walt Cakebread]

This is why I believe that Walt is here to mislead. I have told him countless times that I don't think that the Mauser was "hidden beneath boxes", but he just keeps acting like I have.

No other CTer has ever said this from what I have ever seen either, but he just keeps acting like they have.

It is absurd to think that a rifle with "MADE ITALY", "CAL. 6.5", and "1940" could be thought to be a Mauser of 7.65 caliber.

Don't fall for the 🚽💩 that is being claimed.

Rob, Surely you know that Roger Craig was referring specifically to the rifle that Fritz and Day were examining  at about 1:30 in the NW corner of the sixth floor...( the one that Boone and Weitzman found hidden beneath the boxes of books) and that's the rifle  Craig said was a mauser.  You have said many times that you accept Craig's story as the truth...

[John Mytton]

I'll repost this post that I made earlier because it really puts the Kibosh on any Mauser stupidity, the Alyea footage was filmed when Oswald's rifle was found, then this footage was whisked away to WFAA studios where it was processed and immediately put to air in other words there was no time for an alleged complicated restaging of C2766's recovery. 


An Italian Carcano was filmed on the 6th floor and this footage of an Italian Carcano was broadcast on the afternoon of the 22nd. In the following video from DVP's YT channel @3:25 we see Oswald's Italian Carcano being shown that afternoon on WFAA-TV.

Here's how we know that Oswald's Carcano is the actual rifle found on the 6th floor because C2766 the rifle that Oswald bought from Kleins had a unique random gouge on the the forestock and this random gouge is exactly replicated on the 6th floor Italian Carcano and the Italian Carcano that is seen being held by Lt Day at the DPD and all on the 22nd.



And if that wasn't enough here's an Italian Carcano being removed from the Depository on the same afternoon.





JohnM

[Walt Cakebread]

HI Walt -- do you mean to imply LHO was shown a Mauser by Fritz ?
from this?.... if so that's a leap

It seems to me that Fritz and the FBI agent Anderson did in fact have a Mauser on Saturday....because Weitzman examined a mauser ( FBI agent wrote a report about that incident and Weitzman said that Fritz came an took the mauser away.) 

So based on that FBI report ...Yes, Fritz did have a mauser.......