Oswald: No power lunch

[Jack Nessan]

Oh, so you believe that Mr Molina and Ms Davis both give to understand that they lingered at the front of the building for at least five minutes? Cite, please! 

You stated Molina and Davis prove the early departure of Adams. Feel free to expound on that statement.

Or how about just read its all in their statements.

[Dan O'meara]

Officer Barnett was stood at the intersection of Elm and Houston a few yards from the TSBD.
On hearing the shots he ran immediately around the back of the building and would have been in that position seconds after the shooting.

Mr. Liebeler.
What did you do when you concluded that the shots were coming from that building?
Mr. Barnett.
I ran to the back of the building.
Mr. Liebeler.
Ran down Houston Street?
Mr. Barnett.
Yes, sir.
Mr. Liebeler.
There is a door in the back of the Texas School Book Depository. Does it face on Houston or around the corner?
Mr. Barnett.
It is around the corner from Houston Street.
Mr. Liebeler.
Did you go in the building?
Mr. Barnett.
No, sir; I didn't get close to it, because I was watching for a fire escape. If the man was on top, he would have to come down, and I was looking for a fire escape, and I didn't pay much attention to the door.
I was still watching the top of the building, and so far as I could see, the fire escape on the east side was the only escape down .
Mr. Liebeler.
Since you surmised that the shots had come from the building, you looked up and you didn't see any windows open. You thought they had been fired from the top of the building?
Mr. Barnett.
That's right.
Mr. Liebeler.
So you ran around here on Houston Street immediately to the east of the Texas School Book Depository Building and watched the fire escape?
Mr. Barnett.
I went 20 foot past the building still on Houston, looking up. I could see the whole back of the building and also the east side of the building.
Mr. Liebeler.
Did you see anybody coming off the fire escape up there, or any movement on top of the building?
Mr. Barnett.
Not a thing.
Mr. Liebeler.
What did you do after you went around behind the building?
Mr. Barnett.
I looked behind the building and I saw officers searching the railroad cars. I looked around in front towards the front of the building and I saw officers going west.

[Martin Weidmann]

Officer Barnett was stood at the intersection of Elm and Houston a few yards from the TSBD.
On hearing the shots he ran immediately around the back of the building and would have been in that position seconds after the shooting.

Mr. Liebeler.
What did you do when you concluded that the shots were coming from that building?
Mr. Barnett.
I ran to the back of the building.
Mr. Liebeler.
Ran down Houston Street?
Mr. Barnett.
Yes, sir.
Mr. Liebeler.
There is a door in the back of the Texas School Book Depository. Does it face on Houston or around the corner?
Mr. Barnett.
It is around the corner from Houston Street.
Mr. Liebeler.
Did you go in the building?
Mr. Barnett.
No, sir; I didn't get close to it, because I was watching for a fire escape. If the man was on top, he would have to come down, and I was looking for a fire escape, and I didn't pay much attention to the door.
I was still watching the top of the building, and so far as I could see, the fire escape on the east side was the only escape down .
Mr. Liebeler.
Since you surmised that the shots had come from the building, you looked up and you didn't see any windows open. You thought they had been fired from the top of the building?
Mr. Barnett.
That's right.
Mr. Liebeler.
So you ran around here on Houston Street immediately to the east of the Texas School Book Depository Building and watched the fire escape?
Mr. Barnett.
I went 20 foot past the building still on Houston, looking up. I could see the whole back of the building and also the east side of the building.
Mr. Liebeler.
Did you see anybody coming off the fire escape up there, or any movement on top of the building?
Mr. Barnett.
Not a thing.
Mr. Liebeler.
What did you do after you went around behind the building?
Mr. Barnett.
I looked behind the building and I saw officers searching the railroad cars. I looked around in front towards the front of the building and I saw officers going west.

Mr. Liebeler.
What did you do after you went around behind the building?
Mr. Barnett.
I looked behind the building and I saw officers searching the railroad cars. I looked around in front towards the front of the building and I saw officers going west.

Conclusive proof that there were officers in the railway yard west of the TSBD well before the building was sealed off.
One of these officers could easily be, and probably was, the one who told Adams to return to the building.

[Alan Ford]

It's up to you to cite where Molina and/or Davis said they were at any given time, since you brought them up.

It would be my pleasure, Mr Todd!

From Mr Molina's HSCA interview:




From Ms Avery Davis' 20 March '64 FBI Interview:



Now, Mr Todd---------------over to you with your evidence that Mr Molina and Ms Davis lingered front of house for at least five minutes! Whatcha got? I hope it's better than the cop-at-railroads 'clincher' that has just blown up in your face!

[Alan Ford]

You stated Molina and Davis prove the early departure of Adams. Feel free to expound on that statement.

It would be my pleasure, Mr Nessan!

From Mr Molina's HSCA interview:




From Ms Avery Davis' 20 March '64 FBI Interview:



Now, Mr Nessan---------------over to you with your evidence that Mr Molina and Ms Davis lingered front of house for at least five minutes! Whatcha got?

[Martin Weidmann]

Let's recap

Mr. BELIN - How long do you think it was between the time the shots were fired and the time you left the window to start toward the stairway?
Miss ADAMS - Between 15 and 30 seconds, estimated, approximately

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Mr. BELIN - How long do you think it took you. to get from the window to the bottom of the stairs on the first floor?
Miss ADAMS - I would say no longer than a minute at the most.
Mr. BELIN - So you think that from the time you left the window on the fourth floor until the time you got to the stairs at the bottom of the first floor, was approximately 1 minute?
Miss ADAMS - Yes, approximately.

Prior to her testimony, Adams told the investigators;

On 11/24/63 FBI agents Hardin and Scott wrote in their FD 302 report that Adams had said;

"She and her friend then ran immediately to the back of the building to where the stairs were located and ran down the stairs"

On 02/17/64 she told Jim Leavelle;

"After the third shot I went out the back door" and "The elevator was not running and there was no one on the stairs"

and on 03/23/64 she told the FBI

"After the third shot I observed the car carrying President Kennedy speed away. Sandra Styles and I then ran out of the building via the stairs"

In all these statements, Adams is perfectly consistent in saying that she and Styles ran to the stairs after the third shot

And Sandra Styles backs her up. In her statement to the FBI of 03/23/64 she said;

"I heard shots but thought at the time that they were fireworks. I was unaware of the place the shots came from. I saw people running and others lie down on the ground and realized something was happening but did not know exactly what was happening. Victoria Adams and I left the office at this time, went down the back stairs and left the building at the back door.

And then of course there is Dorothy Garner who, according to Martha Stroud, said she saw Baker and Truly come up after the girls (Adams and Styles) had gone down. Garner explained to Barry Ernest that she did not actually see the girls go down, but she could hear them on the noisy stairs.

Mitch Todd's claim that Adams and Styles stayed on the 4th floor until at least 12:36, when police began locking down the building and an officer told Adams to return to the building is destroyed by the testimony of Officer Barnett, who ran to the back of the building, after hearing the shots and saw officers searching the railroad cars, which means there were officers in the railway yard prior to the building being locked down.

Todd's claim also does not match with Shelley's testimony who said that before he and Lovelady re-entered the TSBD he saw cars being searched in the railway area, clearly indicating police activity very soon after the shots were fire.

And then we have Adams saying in her testimony;

Miss ADAMS - Yes, sir. I went by the one directly in front of the building.
Mr. BELIN - What did you do when you got there?
Miss ADAMS - When I got there, I happened to look around and noticed several of the employees, and I noticed Joe Molina, for one, was standing in front of the building, and also Avery Davis, who works with me, and I said, "What do you think has happened?"

How in the world can Adams see Molina and Davis when they re-entered the building shortly after the shots?

[Mitch Todd]

It would be my pleasure, Mr Todd!

From Mr Molina's HSCA interview:




From Ms Avery Davis' 20 March '64 FBI Interview:



Now, Mr Todd---------------over to you with your evidence that Mr Molina and Ms Davis lingered front of house for at least five minutes! Whatcha got? I hope it's better than the cop-at-railroads 'clincher' that has just blown up in your face!

Exactly how long did Molina say it was between the time of the last shot to the time he left for grassy knoll?
He didn't really say.

Exactly how long was it before Molina returned to the front of the Depository from the GK?
He didn't say.

Did Molina go straight into the Depository after returning from the GK, or does he linger before going in?
He doesn't really say.

Exactly where in this did Molina say he saw Adams? Was it before he left for the GK? while he was going there? When he was returning? After he returned?
He never said where, when, or even if he ran into her.

His HSCA statements simply don't contain enough information to determine exactly where he was at any given point in the minutes after the assassination. His WC statement is no better.

As for Davis, if you take her statement at face value, she would have been back in the TSBD even before Adams and Styles would have reached the first floor. So either she comes back out later, or spends more time in front of the building that her FBI statement would seem to imply.