Oswald: No power lunch

[Martin Weidmann]

So the contrarian who believe no evidence, no matter how solid, when it relates to Oswald's guilt entertains this theory?  LOL.  Again, who saw Oswald there?  Would the conspirators frame an individual for this crime while he was freely roaming about the building and could be in the presence of anyone or, if he acted reasonably, be on the street with dozens of witnesses to give him an alibi?  And as John points out, Oswald can observe events from the 6th floor window including folks entering the building.  It's laughable to suggest that because Oswald said he was somewhere else in the building that this constitutes an alibi.  Particularly coming from a contrarian who applies an impossible standard of proof to any evidence that suggests guilt.

So the contrarian who believe no evidence, no matter how solid, when it relates to Oswald's guilt entertains this theory?

BS. I merely corrected you misrepresentations. But now you have made me curious. What "solid" evidence are you talking about?

And I do believe conclusive evidence, just not the superficial BS that you call "evidence".

Do you have a single witness who places Oswald in the domino room or anywhere else in the building at the time of the assassination?

Nobody, that we know of, saw Oswald anywhere at the time of the assassination. That also includes the 6th floor. So now what?

[John Mytton]

And the fantasy conspirators are going to trust the entire plot to frame Oswald to luck by allowing him to roam about the building during the assassination and not be noticed by anyone who could give him an alibi or even do the most likely thing that day to head out of the building in the company of dozens of coworkers, cameras etc.   It is laughable.

Exactly, these Conspirators have apperently gone to all the trouble of having photos ready of Oswald holding the rifle, created  a massive document chain linking Oswald to the rifle, plant the rifle, etc etc and after all this effort make the most fundamental mistake of all time and  simply let Oswald do as he pleases all during lunch so he could be seen by anybody? And what is really odd is that these CT's actually believe that's precisely what happened.

JohnM

[Steve M. Galbraith]

Exactly, these Conspirators have apperently gone to all the trouble of having photos ready of Oswald holding the rifle, created  a massive document chain linking Oswald to the rifle, plant the rifle, etc etc and after all this effort make the most fundamental mistake of all time and  simply let Oswald do as he pleases all during lunch so he could be seen by anybody? And what is really odd is that these CT's actually believe that's precisely what happened.

JohnM

How did they even know Oswald was in the building at the time of the shooting? That he wasn't outside watching the motorcade? Hell, that he was even at work that day?

In order to frame a person they have to be "frameable." That is, they can't have an alibi that can be corroborated by other witnesses. And that the evidence framing them is plausible.

We see all sorts of limits on the ability to frame Oswald. The conspiracy believers don't see such limits. This all powerful "they" and "them" can do anything. Plant evidence, alter films, intimidate and coerce witnesses...there are no limits. It's this conspiracy mindset that we cannot reason with. We see it in all sorts of conspiracy beliefs that always involve these powerful elements that have unlimited power.

They had such unlimited power that the only way they could stop JFK from threatening their power - by ending the Cold War, leaving Vietnam, dismantling the national security state, making nice with Castro, whatever - was to shoot him in broad daylight in the middle of a street with hundreds of people watching, many with cameras. That's simply absurd. And, if you're going to do all of this anyway, you're going to plant witnesses in the crowd to claim they saw Oswald shoot JFK. Among other things.

[Walt Cakebread]

Exactly, these Conspirators have apperently gone to all the trouble of having photos ready of Oswald holding the rifle, created  a massive document chain linking Oswald to the rifle, plant the rifle, etc etc and after all this effort make the most fundamental mistake of all time and  simply let Oswald do as he pleases all during lunch so he could be seen by anybody? And what is really odd is that these CT's actually believe that's precisely what happened.

JohnM

 make the most fundamental mistake of all time and  simply let Oswald do as he pleases all during lunch so he could be seen by anybody


Psssst.... Johnny, Did anybody report seeing Lee Oswald during the period the parade was passing by the TSBD? 

Do you suppose that Lee didn't want to be seen ?.....   The play that he was playing the lead role in called for the STAGED attempt to shoot JFK....   Lee thought that he would flee to Cuba after the STAGED attempt and be welcomed by Castro.  His mission was to infiltrate Castro's island bastion and try to learn if the nuclear missiles had been removed from the island.

If he had been anywhere that someone could have seen him and reported that they had seen him during the the time when he was allegedly trying to shoot JFK, his neck would have been in Castro's noose.   Thus he remained out of sight there in the NE corner of the 1st floor...    I'm sure you can look at the plat of the first floor and see that Lee could easily have stepped out of sight in the restroom, or the shower if anybody approached. 



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Perhaps you would argue that there was no shower right off the Domino room, that Lee could have ducked into to remain out of sight to anybody passing by.   ( Not likely with everybody leaving the building to see JFK)  But the shower was there if he needed to duck out of sight....See page 148 of the WR.

[Martin Weidmann]

Exactly, these Conspirators have apperently gone to all the trouble of having photos ready of Oswald holding the rifle, created  a massive document chain linking Oswald to the rifle, plant the rifle, etc etc and after all this effort make the most fundamental mistake of all time and  simply let Oswald do as he pleases all during lunch so he could be seen by anybody? And what is really odd is that these CT's actually believe that's precisely what happened.

JohnM

This sounds like; I know it's impossible, because I can't figure out or comprehend what the magician did or how he did it.

What if, the answer is far simpler than you think?

[Walt Cakebread]

This sounds like; it must be magic, because I can't figure out or comprehend what they did and how they did it.

What if, the answer is far simpler than you think?

This sounds like; it must be magic, because I can't figure out or comprehend what they did and how they did it.

What if, the answer is far simpler than you think?

I can't figure out or comprehend what they did and how they did it

John, ol chum.... You might as well go back to watching old TV reruns, or some other activity to occupy your time because as you've said...."I can't figure out or comprehend what they did and how they did it"  IOW John, you simply don't have what it takes to solve the riddle.    You insist on looking at the problem from a very warped perspective..... ( kinda like trying to thread a needle while using a warped mirror )  And you refuse to throw the warped mirror ( the WR) away because you insist the mirror is not flawed, but in in your heart you know that it is, you just lack the ability to be honest with yourself.

I've always liked the analogy  of someone learning that Charles Manson was their father, and their mother was one of Charlies whores....  That kind of truth is nearly impossible for a person to accept.....hence ...They deny deny deny....

[Richard Smith]

Exactly, these Conspirators have apperently gone to all the trouble of having photos ready of Oswald holding the rifle, created  a massive document chain linking Oswald to the rifle, plant the rifle, etc etc and after all this effort make the most fundamental mistake of all time and  simply let Oswald do as he pleases all during lunch so he could be seen by anybody? And what is really odd is that these CT's actually believe that's precisely what happened.

JohnM

CTers are impervious to common sense and logic.  They allege a conspiracy to frame Oswald that would have involved multiple law enforcement agencies, private businesses, and random citizens dating back for years but at the crucial moment of the assassination they suggest Oswald was in a public part of the TSBD where someone might give him an alibi.  And for all they knew, he could have been out on the street being filmed blowing kisses to JFK as the motorcade drove by.  It is breathtaking in its stupidity.