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Oswald: No power lunch
« on: August 28, 2021, 12:25:32 AM »

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Re: Oswald: No power lunch
« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2021, 08:38:54 PM »

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In the London "trial" of Oswald,  Buell Frazier testified that Oswald walked to the kitchen window and stared at his sister until she called out to her brother that there was a strange man outside. "Who is that?" she said. Frazier said it was Lee Oswald the man who worked with him. She had never seen him before.

Frazier continued: "That was the first time he had ever done that. He never came up to our house before." Before then Frazier had gotten into his car and drove to the Paine's house where Oswald would come out and get into the car.

But not that November day.

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Re: Oswald: No power lunch
« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2021, 08:49:44 PM »
According to the FBI agents present during the interrogation, Oswald didnít actually say he ate lunch with James Jarman:

"On November 22, 1963, he had eaten lunch in the lunch room alone, but recalled possibly two Negro employees walking through the room during this period. He stated possibly one of these employees was called "Junior" and the other was a short individual whose name he could not recall but whom he would be able to recognize." (WR622)


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In fact, during their Warren Commission testimony, Junior Jarman and Harold Norman separately confirmed that they had "walked through" the first floor lounge, known as the domino room, to retrieve their sandwiches, thus independently corroborating Oswald's account. Significantly, Harold Norman testified that usually some of the employees, including himself, would play dominos in this room during the lunch hour, but on this particular day, because of the pending passage of the Presidential motorcade, no one was playing dominos (3WH189). When asked if anyone else was in the domino room, Norman, who did eat his sandwich in the lounge before joining his friends to watch the motorcade, responded that in fact somebody else was present, but he could not remember who it was (3WH189). Hence Oswald had somehow correctly guessed not only the people who had been in the lunchroom that day, but their actions, even though they were different from the usual.


https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/Essay_-_Rewriting_History_-_Bugliosi_Parses_the_Testimony.html
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Re: Oswald: No power lunch
« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2021, 09:09:05 PM »
According to the FBI agents present during the interrogation, Oswald didnít actually say he ate lunch with James Jarman:

"On November 22, 1963, he had eaten lunch in the lunch room alone, but recalled possibly two Negro employees walking through the room during this period. He stated possibly one of these employees was called "Junior" and the other was a short individual whose name he could not recall but whom he would be able to recognize." (WR622)


Don Thomas:

In fact, during their Warren Commission testimony, Junior Jarman and Harold Norman separately confirmed that they had "walked through" the first floor lounge, known as the domino room, to retrieve their sandwiches, thus independently corroborating Oswald's account. Significantly, Harold Norman testified that usually some of the employees, including himself, would play dominos in this room during the lunch hour, but on this particular day, because of the pending passage of the Presidential motorcade, no one was playing dominos (3WH189). When asked if anyone else was in the domino room, Norman, who did eat his sandwich in the lounge before joining his friends to watch the motorcade, responded that in fact somebody else was present, but he could not remember who it was (3WH189). Hence Oswald had somehow correctly guessed not only the people who had been in the lunchroom that day, but their actions, even though they were different from the usual.


https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/Essay_-_Rewriting_History_-_Bugliosi_Parses_the_Testimony.html

Oswald had somehow correctly guessed not only the people who had been in the lunchroom that day, but their actions, even though they were different from the usual

What are the odds that Lee could have correctly guessed the identities of the people and their actions at about 12:26/ 12:27 ??

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Re: Oswald: No power lunch
« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2021, 03:17:12 AM »
According to the FBI agents present during the interrogation, Oswald didnít actually say he ate lunch with James Jarman:

"On November 22, 1963, he had eaten lunch in the lunch room alone, but recalled possibly two Negro employees walking through the room during this period. He stated possibly one of these employees was called "Junior" and the other was a short individual whose name he could not recall but whom he would be able to recognize." (WR622)


Don Thomas:

In fact, during their Warren Commission testimony, Junior Jarman and Harold Norman separately confirmed that they had "walked through" the first floor lounge, known as the domino room, to retrieve their sandwiches, thus independently corroborating Oswald's account. Significantly, Harold Norman testified that usually some of the employees, including himself, would play dominos in this room during the lunch hour, but on this particular day, because of the pending passage of the Presidential motorcade, no one was playing dominos (3WH189). When asked if anyone else was in the domino room, Norman, who did eat his sandwich in the lounge before joining his friends to watch the motorcade, responded that in fact somebody else was present, but he could not remember who it was (3WH189). Hence Oswald had somehow correctly guessed not only the people who had been in the lunchroom that day, but their actions, even though they were different from the usual.


https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/Essay_-_Rewriting_History_-_Bugliosi_Parses_the_Testimony.html

James Jarman WC testimony
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/m_j_russ/jarman.htm

Mr. BALL - After his arrest, he stated to a police officer that he had had lunch with you. Did you have lunch with him?
Mr. JARMAN - No, sir; I didn't.

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Re: Oswald: No power lunch
« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2021, 12:45:37 PM »
James Jarman WC testimony
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/m_j_russ/jarman.htm

Mr. BALL - After his arrest, he stated to a police officer that he had had lunch with you. Did you have lunch with him?
Mr. JARMAN - No, sir; I didn't.

The interrogation wasnít audio recorded so we donít know exactly what Oswald said but the FBIís description of Oswaldís statement about seeing Jarman walk through the lunch room makes more sense than Capt Will Fritzís.

Can you imagine Oswald the loner having lunch with anyone?

The problem with the FBI version of what Oswald said is that itís corroborated by Jarman and Norman who said they DID walk through the lunch room that day and saw someone sitting in there but couldnít identify who it was.

See the FBI notes on the interrogation here - https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=946#relPageId=646
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Re: Oswald: No power lunch
« Reply #6 on: August 29, 2021, 01:44:13 PM »
The interrogation wasnít audio recorded so we donít know exactly what Oswald said but the FBIís description of Oswaldís statement about seeing Jarman walk through the lunch room makes more sense than Capt Will Fritzís.

Can you imagine Oswald the loner having lunch with anyone?

Neither Jarman nor Norman confirmed that it was Oswald who was in the lunchroom at the time they came through to get their sandwiches: They couldn't remember.

Too bad every witness wasn't decked out with stop watches, tape recorders, photographic memories, unassailable honesty, and cameras.

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Re: Oswald: No power lunch
« Reply #7 on: August 29, 2021, 01:55:13 PM »
Neither Jarman nor Norman confirmed that it was Oswald who was in the lunchroom at the time they came through to get their sandwiches: They couldn't remember.

Too bad every witness wasn't decked out with stop watches, tape recorders, photographic memories, unassailable honesty, and cameras.

Correct.

Would you agree that itís dishonest to ignore the contradictions between Fritzís description of Oswaldís alibi compared to the description of the FBI agents who were present during the interrogation?

And how could Oswald have accurately guessed that Jarman walked through the lunch room with someone if he wasnít there?

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Re: Oswald: No power lunch
« Reply #8 on: August 29, 2021, 02:21:24 PM »

And how could Oswald have accurately guessed that Jarman walked through the lunch room with someone if he wasnít there?

How do you know Oswald guessed that? Quoting you: "The interrogation wasnít audio recorded so we donít know exactly what Oswald said"

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Re: Oswald: No power lunch
« Reply #9 on: August 29, 2021, 02:47:53 PM »
How do you know Oswald guessed that? Quoting you: "The interrogation wasnít audio recorded so we donít know exactly what Oswald said"

In my honest opinion, the written notes by the two FBI agents who were in the room trumps Capt. Fritzís memory.

Also, at least two people, Charles Givens and William Shelly, saw Oswald alone in the lunch room around noon on November 22. (Givens gave conflicting testimony between November 1963 and April 1964).
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