Oswald: No power lunch

[Bill Chapman]

Correct but there were witnesses who saw Oswald in the Domino room around or close to noon that day.

Shelley and Givens (although Givens later changed his testimony).

William Shelley, the supervisor of the floor laying crew testified "I do remember seeing him when I came down to eat lunch about 10 to 12." (6WH328), as did the building's janitor Eddie Piper who said he saw Oswald "just at 12 o'clock." Bugliosi dismisses their accounts by saying that they may have seen Oswald on the first floor but it was probably earlier in the day, ignoring Piper’s statement that he had actually spoken to Oswald about eating lunch (6WH383)!

All those witnesses may have been mistaken about the time but how good was Oswald to have known that someone might corroborate his claim that he came downstairs for lunch?

I think Oswald was 'winging it' from the get-go.

[Martin Weidmann]

The only reason for Oswald to be guessing would be to somehow establish an alibi for the time of the shooting. But what would be the purpose for him to somehow concoct an alibi for where he was some 5 minutes prior to the shooting?

Why try and make up an alibi by guessing about something that happened approx 5 minutes prior to the shooting and to just name some people he "guessed" could have been there? None of it makes any sense. Even more so, because it would be utterly stupid to tell this story, if it never happened in the first place, and he had no reasonable expectation of Norman and/or Jarman confirming it.

This whole "he could have guessed it" BS goes nowhere. It has been dreamed up by LNs who can not give a plausible explanation for Norman and Jarman being were Oswald said they were at the time he said they were.

It was possible to see the area of the shipping department behind the elevators through the door opening of the Domino room. Anybody who has seen a diagram of the first floor should know this. In fact, you could see all the way to the other side of the building, where the stairs were. As we know that Norman and Jarman did in fact leave their position on Elm Street, prior to the motorcade's arrivale, and walked on Houston to the back of the building, in order to enter it and take the elevator to the 5th floor, a far more credible explanation for Oswald's statement is that he was indeed in the Domino room at around 12:25, when he saw both men enter the building and walking towards the elevators. He saw them but they just didn't see him. What was written in the various reports were not Oswald's words verbatim, but distorted recollections from people who. most likely, had no first hand knowledge of the lay out of the building.

And Chapman, if you are going to use a photo, at least try to use one from the Domino room and not the 2nd floor lunchroom!

[Bill Chapman]

In my honest opinion, the written notes by the two FBI agents who were in the room trumps Capt. Fritz’s memory.

Also, at least two people, Charles Givens and William Shelly, saw Oswald alone in the lunch room around noon on November 22. (Givens gave conflicting testimony between November 1963 and April 1964).

Being seen downstairs around noon does not preclude Oswald making it back upstairs with plenty of time to spare for him to do what he said he didn't do.

[Bill Chapman]

The only reason for Oswald to be guessing would be to somehow establish an alibi for the time of the shooting. But what would be the purpose for him to somehow concoct an alibi from where he was some 5 minutes prior to the shooting?

Why try and make up an alibi by guessing about something that happened approx 5 minutes prior to the shooting and to just name some people he "guessed" could have been there? None of it makes any sense. Even more so, because it would be utterly stupid to tell this story, if it never happened in the first place, and he had no reasonable expectation of Norman and/or Jarman confirming it.

This whole "he could have guessed it" BS goes nowhere. It has been dreamed up by LNs who can not give a plausible explanation for Norman and Jarman being were Oswald said they were at the time he said they were.

It was possible to see the area of the shipping department behind the elevators through the door opening of the Domino room. Anybody who has seen a diagram of the first floor should know this. In fact, you could see all the way to the other side of the building, where the stairs were. As we know that Norman and Jarman did in fact leave their position on Elm Street, prior to the motorcade's arrivale, and walked on Houston to the back of the building, in order to enter it and take the elevator to the 5th floor, a far more credible explanation for Oswald's statement is that he was indeed in the Domino room at around 12:25, when he saw both men enter the building and walking towards the elevators. He saw them but they just didn't see him. What was written in the various reports were not Oswald's words verbatim, but distorted recollections from people who. most likely, had no first hand knowledge of the lay out of the building.

And Chapman, if you are going to use a photo, at least try to use one from the Domino room and not the 2nd floor lunchroom!

Say please

[Martin Weidmann]

Being seen downstairs around noon does not preclude Oswald making it back upstairs with plenty of time to spare for him to do what he said he didn't do.

Being seen downstairs around noon does not preclude Oswald making it back upstairs

True... he could have gotten to the 6th floor in 5 minutes or so....

But here's the problem (which is why this story, along with Carolyn Arnold's statements, were ignored/dismissed/buried), according to witnesses there was movement in the 6th floor window at about 15 minutes prior to the shots. In other words, at 12:15.... Kinda difficult to explain if Oswald was in the Domino room at around 12:25, right? 

So, maybe he didn't do what he said he didn't do after all..... Unless you have some persuasive evidence to prove he did?

Well, do you have it?

[Martin Weidmann]

Oswald have to "guess" about Jarman and Norman being together? 

Anyone looking out the south facade of the building would have seen them together. And they ended up arriving at the same moment just beneath the SN window

Seems to me that you've never actually been to the building because where Norman and Jarman stood they could not have been seen by somebody on the 6th floor unless that person's torso was hanging out of the window.

And pray tell, how did Oswald guess, that both men, after leaving the front of the building would stay together, walk down Houston and enter the back of the building?

[Mitch Todd]

Being seen downstairs around noon does not preclude Oswald making it back upstairs

True... he could have gotten to the 6th floor in 5 minutes or so....

But here's the problem (which is why this story, along with Carolyn Arnold's statements, were ignored/dismissed/buried), according to witnesses there was movement in the 6th floor window at about 15 minutes prior to the shots. In other words, at 12:15.... Kinda difficult to explain if Oswald was in the Domino room at around 12:25, right? 

So, maybe he didn't do what he said he didn't do after all..... Unless you have some persuasive evidence to prove he did?

Well, do you have it?

Carolyn Arnold never gave a consistent time for her exit from the TSBD. on 11/26 she told the FBI that it was at 12:15 or maybe just before. Four months later, she said she went outside about 12:25.  In 1978, Earl Golz reported that Arnold said she left at about 12:25. But, at about the same time, she was telling Tony Summers that she made her way outside "about a quarter of an hour before the assassination" and "about 12:15." This makes her statements a bad choice for trying to pin down Oswald's whereabouts at a specific time.