The First Shot

[Steve Barber]

Clearly, the first show was the missed shot because Governor Connally head the first and 3rd shots.  He stated this in his own words. He didn't hear the 2nd shot which hit both he and President Kennedy. 

[Royell Storing]

Yes.  It tells you that I am basing my conclusions on the consistent, well corroborated evidence from the witnesses who were actually there that puts the first shot after:
1. the VP car completed the turn onto Elm.
2. the VP security car had almost completed the turn
3. after JFK turned and smiled and waved for the last time
4. after Croft took his z161 photo
5. after Betzner took his z186 photo
6. an instant before Phil Willis took his z202 photo
7. as the President has reached the Thornton Feeway sign
8. when JFK was passing between Linda Willis and the Stemmons sign
9.etc

and that I do not base conclusions on my spidey senses of why people, who are supposed to be looking in different directions at different times, are looking in different directions at different times.

   With respect to a 1st shot, #7 and #8 are inconsistent. The only way JFK can be #8, "BETWEEN Linda Willis and the Stemmons sign", is if you extend a DIAGONAL line from Linda Willis to the Stemmons Sign. At this point in time, JFK is disappearing behind the Stemmons sign on the Z Film. This would be exceptionally Late for a 1st shot, not to mention some distance beyond #7, "Thornton Freeway sign". 

[Andrew Mason]

   With respect to a 1st shot, #7 and #8 are inconsistent. The only way JFK can be #8, "BETWEEN Linda Willis and the Stemmons sign", is if you extend a DIAGONAL line from Linda Willis to the Stemmons Sign. At this point in time, JFK is disappearing behind the Stemmons sign on the Z Film. This would be exceptionally Late for a 1st shot, not to mention some distance beyond #7, "Thornton Freeway sign".

To determine where JFK was when he was between Linda Willis and the Stemmons sign one needs to actually plot the sight line on a map of Dealey Plaza:



You can see that this puts JFK just past the lamp post and almost to the Thornton sign, which is where Moore put him and where JFK was when he had just cleared the oak tree branches:



which is also where the Warren Commission investigators had initially determined the first shot had occurred:

[Tom Graves]

I am basing my conclusions on the evidence [sic] from the witnesses who were actually there.

JFK, Jackie, John Connally, Nellie Connally, Roy Kellerman, George Hickey, Glen Bennett and Rosemary Willis were actually there, too, but they were caught on film as they consciously and rapidly moved their heads within half-a-second of each other about one second after they heard Oswald's first, missing-everything, shot at "Z-124."

[Jack Nessan]

To determine where JFK was when he was between Linda Willis and the Stemmons sign one needs to actually plot the sight line on a map of Dealey Plaza:



You can see that this puts JFK just past the lamp post and almost to the Thornton sign, which is where Moore put him and where JFK was when he had just cleared the oak tree branches:



which is also where the Warren Commission investigators had initially determined the first shot had occurred:

Why Linda Willis, what makes her so special. Why not Jean Newman or the Chisms?

[Tom Graves]

According to the following witnesses, the first shot occurred:

1. after Croft took his z161 photo
2. after Betzner took his z186 photo
3. an instant before Phil Willis took his z202 photo

1. Robert Croft was referring to the fatal head shot.

2. Hugh Betzer didn't know if more than two shots were fired, but we know there were three.

3. Phil Willis: "The three shots were fired approximately about (sic) two seconds apart."  LOL!

[Zeon Mason]

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Hey, Andrew, if that’s your model, could you add a string running from the Daltex bldg 3rd floor window ( the one with the lower left corner dark spot = hole/ broken out glass?) to see how close it intersects with Rosemary Willis  at z190-Z195?

I’m considering a suppressed 1st shot at Z190 from Daltex 3rd floor because that’s  the floor where Braden ( the mafia guy) was seen carrying a briefcase shortly before the JFK limo arrived to Houston st.. Jim Braden had no alibi since his parole office did not verify a meeting that Braden claimed he was at.

John Mytton (the LN expert)  will probably poo poo the idea of that dark spot in the lower left corner of the Daltex 3rd story window as being just  a mirage via using his stereo flip flopping imagery analysis.

Non the less,  could it be a hole? just big enough for a shooter with suppressed short barrel rifle ( which when disassembled fits in a briefcase) to shoot a suppressed subsonic round intended to blow out the left rear tire of the JFK limo ,slowing it down and or stopping it momentarily, thus allowing more accurate fire from the TSBD shooter?

The reason I’m suggesting a suppressed subsonic shot is because it’s really only Rosemary Willis who is turning her head suddenly to look back at TSBD at about Z200 approx.

Imo , if it was loud shot from TSBD at Z190 then should not trained professionals like SS agents be reacting just as quickly as Willis did at Z 190-Z200? By  turning their heads also?