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Offline Dan O'meara

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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1379 on: November 29, 2025, 12:19:49 AM »
I believe Rosemary Willis' head is turned farther to the right in Z-145 than her father's.


Regardless:

I believe the first shot was at "Z-124" and missed everything.

I believe JFK and JBC were struck by CE-399 at some point between Z-199 and Z-222.

I believe the third and final shot hit JFK in the back of the head in Z-313.


What do you believe?

I believe the first shot was at "Z-124" and missed everything.

Even after the mountain of evidence you've seen demonstrating beyond any shadow of a doubt that you are incorrect on this matter?
Even after the Roselle/Scearce 'study' you swallowed down hook, line and sinker, has been debunked?
Do you have any idea how clueless you look?
Does evidence mean nothing to you?
Or Reason, or Logic, or Common Sense?

Online Tom Graves

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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1380 on: November 29, 2025, 12:46:13 AM »
I believe the first shot was at "Z-124" and missed everything.

Even after the mountain of evidence you've seen demonstrating beyond any shadow of a doubt that you are incorrect on this matter?
Even after the Roselle/Scearce 'study' you swallowed down hook, line and sinker, has been debunked?
Do you have any idea how clueless you look?
Does evidence mean nothing to you?
Or Reason, or Logic, or Common Sense?

Dear danny BOY o'meara,

Who asked you?

-- Tom

Offline Dan O'meara

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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1381 on: November 29, 2025, 12:48:32 AM »
Dear danny BOY o'meara,

Who asked you?

-- Tom

Just trying to stop you making such a tool of yourself, Thomas.
If I don't, who will?

Online Tom Graves

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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1382 on: November 29, 2025, 12:52:10 AM »
Just trying to stop you making such a tool of yourself, Thomas. If I don't, who will?

Dear danny BOY o'meara,

Aren't you going to call me a liar, again, so you can get your stinkin' you-know-what kicked off the forum?

-- Tom

Offline Dan O'meara

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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1383 on: November 29, 2025, 01:00:08 AM »
Dear danny BOY o'meara,

Aren't you going to call me a liar, again, so you can get your stinkin' you-know-what kicked off the forum?

-- Tom

Aww, you wouldn't do that to me, would you Thomas?
Then we wouldn't have such quality threads as the one you are presently trolling  Thumb1:

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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1384 on: November 29, 2025, 01:42:25 AM »
Here is Tyler's animation at z144.3 which is the closest I could get to z145:


I have no idea how to tell whether she is looking at the TSBD, the car, the road, the sidewalk across the street, or something else [in Z-145].
 

None of us can know exactly what Rosemary Willis was looking at in Z-145, of course, but we can tell the direction she was looking.

It seems to me that she's not looking towards JFK and Jackie, but in the direction of Clint Hill in the follow-up car (directly behind whom is the TSBD).

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I don't know why she would not be looking at the occupants of the President's car.

That's a telling remark by you.

It means you've ruled out the possibility of a missing-everything shot at "Z-124," half-a-second before Zapruder resumed filming at Z-133, even though at least seven prime witnesses (JFK, Jackie, Connally, Nellie, Kellerman, Hickey and Willis) made conscious and nearly simultaneous rapid head movements between Z-140 and Z-150.

And throw in Secret Service Agent Glen Bennett's leaning far to his right -- to see around Dave Powers if JFK was okay -- for good measure.


Edit:

Why is Rosemary turned in the opposite direction from the limo's travel in Z-148?

To look back in the direction of the loud sound she heard, or to awkwardly watch JFK and Jackie?

https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z148.jpg
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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1385 on: November 29, 2025, 04:39:30 PM »
 

That's a telling remark by you.

It means you've ruled out the possibility of a missing-everything shot at "Z-124," half-a-second before Zapruder resumed filming at Z-133, even though at least seven prime witnesses (JFK, Jackie, Connally, Nellie, Kellerman, Hickey and Willis) made conscious and nearly simultaneous rapid head movements between Z-140 and Z-150.

And throw in Secret Service Agent Glen Bennett's leaning far to his right -- to see around Dave Powers if JFK was okay -- for good measure.
Yes.  It tells you that I am basing my conclusions on the consistent, well corroborated evidence from the witnesses who were actually there that puts the first shot after:
1. the VP car completed the turn onto Elm.
2. the VP security car had almost completed the turn
3. after JFK turned and smiled and waved for the last time
4. after Croft took his z161 photo
5. after Betzner took his z186 photo
6. an instant before Phil Willis took his z202 photo
7. as the President has reached the Thornton Feeway sign
8. when JFK was passing between Linda Willis and the Stemmons sign
9.etc

and that I do not base conclusions on my spidey senses of why people, who are supposed to be looking in different directions at different times, are looking in different directions at different times.