The First Shot

[Tom Graves]

Perhaps you mean the other left, also known as "right". 

From z202 is the first frame which I will hold for 5 seconds followed by z203, z204, z205 each held for 60 ms. and finally z206 held for 2 sec.:

What do you mean by "the other left"?

Did I not express myself clearly?

Is English your second language?

She is running hard and her arms appear to be moving in the Dorman film:

She's not running as though she was participating in a 100-yard dash, as I used to do. (Best time: 10.5 seconds, which isn't bad for a 6' 5" clodhopper like me.)

Even if she was, she wouldn't twist her upper torso left-right-left-right so much or swing her arms so wildly.

[Andrew Mason]

What do you mean by "the other left"?

She turns her head to her right from z202 (same position as in z145) to z206. I can’t help you if you are having trouble seeing that.

[Tom Graves]

She turns her head to her right from z202 (same position as in z145) to z206. I can’t help you if you are having trouble seeing that.

Stop being coy.

What "point" are you trying to make?

[Andrew Mason]

Stop being coy.

What "point" are you trying to make?

The point is that between z202-z205 she turns her head so that her hood opening moves from facing to her right to facing behind her.  She makes no turn of head prior to that. By itself that may not signify much.  However, her sister gave evidence that the first shot occurred when JFK was between her and the Stemmons sign (z195-z205). Betzner said it was just after his z186 photo. Her father said it was just before his z202 photo. Other witnesses in the motorcade put the first shot at that time.  JFK appears to change after z193.

You are suggesting that she is looking behind her prior to z202 even though her hood is facing to her right.  Since we can’t see her face we can’t be sure where her eyes are looking. But if she is looking behind her to the TSBD at z145-z202 why would she then turn farther to her right rear at z202? She said she turned to look back at the TSBD upon hearing the first shot.

[Tom Graves]

The point is that between Z-202 and Z-205, Rosemary Willis turns her head so that her hood opening moves from facing to her right to facing behind her.

So?

She makes no turn of head prior to that.

She starts turning her head in the general direction of the TSBD in Z-140, about one second after Oswald's first, missing everything, shot at "Z-124."

You are suggesting that she is looking behind her prior to Z-202 even though her hood is facing to her right.

Your sentence makes no sense.

I'm suggesting that Rosemary Willis is looking not at the limo, but in the general direction of the TSBD from Z-145 to Z-214 -- as Charles Collins has pointed out in the new poll on the subject -- at which time, 3.8 seconds later, she finally snaps her head to her left and starts looking at the limo.

Since we can’t see her face we can’t be sure where her eyes are looking.

Correct, but we can see that she's not looking at the limo; we can see that she's looking in the general direction of the TSBD.

If she is looking behind her [at] the TSBD [in] Z-145 - Z-202, why would she then turn farther to her right rear at Z-202?

Perhaps I should have said, "She's looking in the general direction of the TSBD from Z-145 (at least) to Z-214."

Does that work for you?

[Andrew Mason]

So?

She starts turning her head in the general direction of the TSBD in Z-140, about one second after Oswald's first, missing everything, shot at "Z-124."

Here is Rosemary Willis when she first appears in Dorman 23, well before Zapruder started his last sequence:


She is already facing toward the limo AND the TSBD because the limo is just turning the corner.   Then as she starts running she turns to look in the direction she is running as seen in Dorman 48:


and turns her head toward the car when she is almost in front of the steps in Doorman 57 and 58 (which is well before z140):
I can't tell where she is looking in z140 but she could be looking in the same direction as she was in Dorman 58.


Here are those locations and positions plotted onto an overhead map of Dealey Plaza (Trask, cover):

I'm suggesting that Rosemary Willis is looking not at the limo, but in the general direction of the TSBD from Z-145 to Z-214 -- as Charles Collins has pointed out in the new poll on the subject -- at which time, 3.8 seconds later, she finally snaps her head to her left and starts looking at the limo.

Correct, but we can see that she's not looking at the limo; we can see that she's looking in the general direction of the TSBD.

Perhaps I should have said, "She's looking in the general direction of the TSBD from Z-145 (at least) to Z-214."

Does that work for you?

Not when the positions are shown on an accurate map of DP.  She is only looking toward the SE corner of the TSBD after z202. You don't seem to want to acknowledge her distinct head turn to her right from z202 to z206.

[Tom Graves]

Rosemary Willis is only looking toward the SE corner of the TSBD after z202.

Nice try, but I'm not saying she was looking specifically at the south-east corner sixth floor of the TSBD from Z-145 to Z-214.

I'm saying she was looking in the general direction of the TSBD, not at the limo -- which, according to Mark Tyler's motorcade animation, was a car-length farther down Elm Street than she was at Z-145.

https://www.marktyler.org/mc63.html?fbclid=IwY2xjawK4zONleHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETFFODdsRHVIa2RSUGZJNllFAR6Zx-0JB5zBmwy-qakJKtfLfY5vcW9V2IqOrNXjP-oezkHhb-av38NlRUa-uA_aem_2d95NRPz2dpt6k_03l7iYg

Therefore, you've got your "plane of hood opening" turned too far in Zapruder's direction at Z-145 -- it doesn't correlate with what we see in his film.

You don't seem to want to acknowledge her distinct head turn to her right from z202 to z206.

The fact that Rosemary Willis turned her head even farther to her right between Z-202 and Z-206 suggests that she, like everyone else who'd heard a "firecracker" or a shot at "Z-124" was still trying to locate the source of the sound.


Rhetorical question:

Do you think she was looking at the limo in Z-201?

LOL!