The First Shot

[Royell Storing]

To determine where JFK was when he was between Linda Willis and the Stemmons sign one needs to actually plot the sight line on a map of Dealey Plaza:



You can see that this puts JFK just past the lamp post and almost to the Thornton sign, which is where Moore put him and where JFK was when he had just cleared the oak tree branches:



which is also where the Warren Commission investigators had initially determined the first shot had occurred:

   Your understanding of, "just PAST the lamp post and almost to the Thornton sign....", is much different than mine. Not to mention that the "lamp post" and the "Thornton Sign", were Not in line. In my opinion this is exactly why the Thornton sign was Removed and the lamp post was Moved. Same goes for the "wide open" Huge Gates attached to the TSBD, along with the TSBD front door Landing that Prayer Man stood on. Dealey Plaza has been transformed into a "Where's Waldo" conundrum.   

[Andrew Mason]

Clearly, the first show was the missed shot because Governor Connally head the first and 3rd shots.  He stated this in his own words. He didn't hear the 2nd shot which hit both he and President Kennedy.

One shot must have missed completely for the SBT to be correct. Most SBT adherents say (now) that the first shot missed.  I am just looking at the evidence without any assumption about the SBT.

I agree that the first shot could not have been the shot that struck JBC in the back because JBC heard that shot and did not feel it.  He did feel, but did not hear, the shot that struck him in the back/armpit. But that does not mean that the first shot missed.  If the first shot hit JFK, his distinct reaction to which was observed by over 20 witnesses, and did not go on to strike JBC in the back/armpit, then there was no missed shot.  My point is that such a scenario is a much better fit with the evidence.

[Tom Graves]

One shot must have missed completely for the SBT to be correct. Most SBT adherents say (now) that the first shot missed.  I am just looking at the evidence without any assumption about the SBT.

I agree that the first shot could not have been the shot that struck JBC in the back because JBC heard that shot and did not feel it.  He did feel, but did not hear, the shot that struck him in the back/armpit. But that does not mean that the first shot missed.  If the first shot hit JFK, his distinct reaction to which was observed by over 20 witnesses, and did not go on to strike JBC in the back/armpit, then there was no missed shot.  My point is that such a scenario is a much better fit with the evidence.

The "evidence" as articulated by startled-and-traumatized people?

[Royell Storing]

One shot must have missed completely for the SBT to be correct. Most SBT adherents say (now) that the first shot missed.  I am just looking at the evidence without any assumption about the SBT.

I agree that the first shot could not have been the shot that struck JBC in the back because JBC heard that shot and did not feel it.  He did feel, but did not hear, the shot that struck him in the back/armpit. But that does not mean that the first shot missed.  If the first shot hit JFK, his distinct reaction to which was observed by over 20 witnesses, and did not go on to strike JBC in the back/armpit, then there was no missed shot.  My point is that such a scenario is a much better fit with the evidence.

   You are supposed to "follow the evidence". NOT comprise a scenario that Makes It Fit. If legit evidence does not fit, you have a serious problem. The 1 shooter, 3 total shots from the sniper's nest, just does Not work. Never has.

[Tom Graves]

The 1 shooter, 3 total shots from the sniper's nest, just does not work.

Dear Comrade Storing,

You need to realize that former Marine sharpshooter Oswald fired all three shots in 10.2 seconds, and that his first, missing-everything, shot was at "Z-124," half-a-second before Zapruder resumed filming at Z-133 after a 17-second film-saving pause.

-- Tom

[Andrew Mason]

Why Linda Willis, what makes her so special. Why not Jean Newman or the Chisms?

Linda Willis, Phil Willis,  Betzner, VP car and VP security car occupants, Mary Woodward provide evidence that allows one to pinpoint or at least bracket a specific location.

John Chism brackets JFK’s last right head turn and wave as being before the first shot.  He said “And just as he got just about in front of me he turned and waved at the crowd on this side of the street, the right side; at this point I heard what sounded like one shot”. He then described JFK reacting and his head leaning to the left.  That puts the first shot anywhere from about Z170 to sometime before JFK reappears at z224. Faye Chism is not clear.

Jean Newman says the first shot occurred just after JFK passed by her. She was to the east of the Stemmons sign.  Where exactly that puts the first shot depends on how she defined the point where JFK had passed her, but it dies indicate a first shot around the z200-220 mark.

[Andrew Mason]

   You are supposed to "follow the evidence". NOT comprise a scenario that Makes It Fit. If legit evidence does not fit, you have a serious problem. The 1 shooter, 3 total shots from the sniper's nest, just does Not work. Never has.

I think I am following the evidence. 20+ witnesses said JFK reacted visibly to the first shot. None said he smiled and waved after it, let alone for 5 seconds after. If you don't think I am following evidence that’s fair, but you need to be specific. There is overwhelming evidence of three shots with the last two in rapid succession perceptibly closer that 1-2. That necessarily means the first shot hit JFK.

What “legit evidence” does not fit with 3 shots, 3 hits?