Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2

[Zeon Mason]

Also, I’ve looked at the photos of Trump holding the book and I cannot quite read the words on the spine of the book, but it appears imo to be upright because of the spacing of one title being closer to the top and the lower one being in at the midpoint

[Martin Weidmann]

I agree with Richard , yet I am a CT

On what exactly do you agree with Richard?

Blind fanatical admiration for a wannabe dictator who is dividing the country?

Or do you agree with Richard that it's no big deal when a police officer shoots an unarmed man seven times in the back?

Or is it, that it's ok that Trump had Ball to use his stormtroopers to violently attack a peaceful demonstration so he can have a photo opportuninity?

Also, I’ve looked at the photos of Trump holding the book and I cannot quite read the words on the spine of the book, but it appears imo to be upright because of the spacing of one title being closer to the top and the lower one being in at the midpoint

From everything I've written, that's what you want to argue about? Pfffffff

That Barr used his stormtroopers to break up a peaceful protest with extreme violence doesn't concern you, but that Trump was holding the bibble upside down (as he was) that matters to you?

Oh well... Says it all, really

[John Iacoletti]

Virus cases are reportedly skyrocketing in Europe.  I assume that is Trump's fault.  The idea that Trump somehow failed to take a still unspecified action that resulted in the US having a disproportionate number of virus cases is one of the most outlandish falsehoods in recent history.  The Europeans have done nothing better or that much differently than the US.  Some of those countries have a greater per capita number of cases and most have a greater number of deaths.

Bull.

You're talking out of your azz again, "Richard".  Which European countries have a greater per capita number of cases and  a greater number of deaths than the United States?

  It is called a pandemic for a reason.  Other countries have either intentionally or unintentionally underreported the number of cases and deaths.

Evidence?

  Cases and deaths will continue until the Trump vaccine becomes available and even then there will continue to be new cases.

"Trump vaccine".  LOL.  He has nothing to do with the development of a vaccine, just like he has nothing to do with the stock market.

  Thanks in large part to the dems who are spreading fear of a vaccine for their own political purposes.  Old Joe has no magic wand or plan that will change any of that.  He doesn't even remember there is a pandemic.

Sure.  Joe is the one holding rallies of maskless sycophants.

[John Iacoletti]

The results demonstrated that shutdowns, if anything, only increased the number of deaths.  NYC is a classic example.

Bull, "Richard".  NYC's surge occurred before any shutdowns.  It was shutdowns and masking that got it under control.

Packing the court = replacing a sitting justice.  Roger/Martin doesn't understand the obvious difference between replacing a justice that has died with increasing the total number of justices to overwhelm dissenting voices (i.e. "court packing" - try looking up FDR if you don't understand why this is dangerous).

It's also dangerous for a party to use their majority status to both delay a Democrat's duly nominated Supreme Court justice and then hypocritically turn around 4 years later and rush a Republican's nominee through.  What's the rush, unless they already know that their boy is going to lose and their majority in the Senate is also doomed.

Protests and riots are different = not when the dems refuse to allow the police to govern these events, the rioters go unpunished for political reasons, and local governments fail to enforce the laws resulting in the destruction of private property, assaults, and murder.

Nobody's refusing to allow the police to govern these events.  You just like to make up propaganda, don't you?

I can see why Old Joe is your guy.  Can't wait to hear his line of attack against a Catholic nominee to the Supreme Court based on her views on abortion.

Her decisions should be based on the law, the Constitution, and precedent.  Personal religious views have no place in government.

[Richard Smith]

I don't engage with Dishonest John but anyone can do a simple Google search to confirm that several European countries have greater deaths per capita than the US.  Belgium, Spain, and UK, for example.  And Europe is in the midst of a surge in cases.  It is a falsehood to suggest that Trump failed to perform some still unspecified act that resulted in a greater number of deaths than in other places.  In fact, the CDC estimated approximately 200k deaths with mitigation.  So Trump has saved approximately 1.8 million lives given that the estimate was around 2 million deaths without mitigation.  It is all the more humorous that Trump is being scolded by Old Joe, "Let Them Eat Ice Cream" Nancy, and Negligent Cuomo.  All of whom downplayed the risks of the virus and encouraged people to go out like normal because they claimed the virus was all a racist hoax.  Untold numbers of Americans would have died has any of those PC numbskulls been in charge.  Nobel Prize nominations, three Supreme Court justices,  hundreds of federal judges and sparing us from President Hillary.  Wow.  Even if Trump loses this election he has done more good than any recent president.  Massive crowds at his events while Old Joe hides in the basement day after day.  And where is Kantala?  She disappeared faster than Amelia Earhart.

[John Iacoletti]

I don't engage with Dishonest John but anyone can do a simple Google search to confirm that several European countries have greater deaths per capita than the US.  Belgium, Spain, and UK, for example.

Shifting the goalposts again,  Lying "Richard"?  You said "a greater per capita number of cases and a greater number of deaths".

Andorra is the only European country with more cases per capita.  And no country in the world has a greater number of deaths.  Nice try.  Wrong and arrogant about it -- as usual.

  And Europe is in the midst of a surge in cases.  It is a falsehood to suggest that Trump failed to perform some still unspecified act that resulted in a greater number of deaths than in other places.

He denied that it was a problem for months, did nothing toward a nationwide lockdown, testing, or masking strategy, encouraged all his lackeys such as yourself to think of it all as a hoax or overblown, and helped governors based on how much they sucked up to him.  Then he exerted pressure on the CDC to adjust their guidelines.

In fact, the CDC estimated approximately 200k deaths with mitigation.  So Trump has saved approximately 1.8 million lives given that the estimate was around 2 million deaths without mitigation.

There was mitigation in spite of Trump, not because of Trump.

  It is all the more humorous that Trump is being scolded by Old Joe, "Let Them Eat Ice Cream" Nancy, and Negligent Cuomo.  All of whom downplayed the risks of the virus and encouraged people to go out like normal because they claimed the virus was all a racist hoax.  Untold numbers of Americans would have died has any of those PC numbskulls been in charge.  Nobel Prize nominations, three Supreme Court justices,  hundreds of federal judges and sparing us from President Hillary.  Wow.  Even if Trump loses this election he has done more good than any recent president.

He hasn't done any good.  He's the most incompetent and corrupt president in US history. 

  Massive crowds at his events

Almost none wearing masks.  Yeah, he's all about "mitigation".     That's ok -- Darwin will sort them out.  Too bad they go home and infect intelligent people, but that's "collateral damage" to a Trumpster.  It is what it is.

All he cares about is feeling like he's adored.  He's a malignant narcissist.  Not unlike yourself.

[Martin Weidmann]

I don't engage with Dishonest John but anyone can do a simple Google search to confirm that several European countries have greater deaths per capita than the US.  Belgium, Spain, and UK, for example.  And Europe is in the midst of a surge in cases.  It is a falsehood to suggest that Trump failed to perform some still unspecified act that resulted in a greater number of deaths than in other places.  In fact, the CDC estimated approximately 200k deaths with mitigation.  So Trump has saved approximately 1.8 million lives given that the estimate was around 2 million deaths without mitigation.  It is all the more humorous that Trump is being scolded by Old Joe, "Let Them Eat Ice Cream" Nancy, and Negligent Cuomo.  All of whom downplayed the risks of the virus and encouraged people to go out like normal because they claimed the virus was all a racist hoax.  Untold numbers of Americans would have died has any of those PC numbskulls been in charge.  Nobel Prize nominations, three Supreme Court justices,  hundreds of federal judges and sparing us from President Hillary.  Wow.  Even if Trump loses this election he has done more good than any recent president.  Massive crowds at his events while Old Joe hides in the basement day after day.  And where is Kantala?  She disappeared faster than Amelia Earhart.

anyone can do a simple Google search to confirm that several European countries have greater deaths per capita than the US.  Belgium, Spain, and UK, for example. 

Still trying to downplay the terrible deathrate in America, by ignoring that the USA has 4 % of the world's population and over 25% of all the covid-19 cases. Compared to the USA, the countries you name are significantly smaller and have a much higher population density than the USA, so logically the risk of covid spreading faster is greater and any per capita comparision is simply dishonest.

And Europe is in the midst of a surge in cases.

I'm in Europe and have been there since the lockdown in March. You are full of BS! Yes, in some parts of some countries a second wave of covid-19 (if you can call it that) is happening but it's nowhere near a "surge". What it is, though, is the result of people not following the guidelines, like wearing a mask and social distancing.

It is a falsehood to suggest that Trump failed to perform some still unspecified act that resulted in a greater number of deaths than in other places.

Really? And you know this, how? You just call it a falsehood because you want it to be. People with a functional brain know better.

the CDC estimated approximately 200k deaths with mitigation.

Really... well guess what, even if that is true, we have already reached 200K deaths and the pandemic is far from over....

So Trump has saved approximately 1.8 million lives given that the estimate was around 2 million deaths without mitigation.

Just like Trump, you are pulling these numbers out of your ass. If that was even remotely true, why did Trump refuse to take any responsibility for anything related to covid-19?

Even if Trump loses this election he has done more good than any recent president.

Which is why just about everybody, except the extreme right wing nuts, dislike him like no President before. If Trump loses the election it will not be because of Biden. It will be because of Trump

Massive crowds at his events while Old Joe hides in the basement day after day.

And yet Biden still leads massively in the polls and most key states.... Go figure!