Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2

[John Iacoletti]

Virus cases are reportedly skyrocketing in Europe.  I assume that is Trump's fault.  The idea that Trump somehow failed to take a still unspecified action that resulted in the US having a disproportionate number of virus cases is one of the most outlandish falsehoods in recent history.  The Europeans have done nothing better or that much differently than the US.  Some of those countries have a greater per capita number of cases and most have a greater number of deaths.

Bull.

You're talking out of your azz again, "Richard".  Which European countries have a greater per capita number of cases and  a greater number of deaths than the United States?

  It is called a pandemic for a reason.  Other countries have either intentionally or unintentionally underreported the number of cases and deaths.

Evidence?

  Cases and deaths will continue until the Trump vaccine becomes available and even then there will continue to be new cases.

"Trump vaccine".  LOL.  He has nothing to do with the development of a vaccine, just like he has nothing to do with the stock market.

  Thanks in large part to the dems who are spreading fear of a vaccine for their own political purposes.  Old Joe has no magic wand or plan that will change any of that.  He doesn't even remember there is a pandemic.

Sure.  Joe is the one holding rallies of maskless sycophants.

[John Iacoletti]

The results demonstrated that shutdowns, if anything, only increased the number of deaths.  NYC is a classic example.

Bull, "Richard".  NYC's surge occurred before any shutdowns.  It was shutdowns and masking that got it under control.

Packing the court = replacing a sitting justice.  Roger/Martin doesn't understand the obvious difference between replacing a justice that has died with increasing the total number of justices to overwhelm dissenting voices (i.e. "court packing" - try looking up FDR if you don't understand why this is dangerous).

It's also dangerous for a party to use their majority status to both delay a Democrat's duly nominated Supreme Court justice and then hypocritically turn around 4 years later and rush a Republican's nominee through.  What's the rush, unless they already know that their boy is going to lose and their majority in the Senate is also doomed.

Protests and riots are different = not when the dems refuse to allow the police to govern these events, the rioters go unpunished for political reasons, and local governments fail to enforce the laws resulting in the destruction of private property, assaults, and murder.

Nobody's refusing to allow the police to govern these events.  You just like to make up propaganda, don't you?

I can see why Old Joe is your guy.  Can't wait to hear his line of attack against a Catholic nominee to the Supreme Court based on her views on abortion.

Her decisions should be based on the law, the Constitution, and precedent.  Personal religious views have no place in government.

[Richard Smith]

I don't engage with Dishonest John but anyone can do a simple Google search to confirm that several European countries have greater deaths per capita than the US.  Belgium, Spain, and UK, for example.  And Europe is in the midst of a surge in cases.  It is a falsehood to suggest that Trump failed to perform some still unspecified act that resulted in a greater number of deaths than in other places.  In fact, the CDC estimated approximately 200k deaths with mitigation.  So Trump has saved approximately 1.8 million lives given that the estimate was around 2 million deaths without mitigation.  It is all the more humorous that Trump is being scolded by Old Joe, "Let Them Eat Ice Cream" Nancy, and Negligent Cuomo.  All of whom downplayed the risks of the virus and encouraged people to go out like normal because they claimed the virus was all a racist hoax.  Untold numbers of Americans would have died has any of those PC numbskulls been in charge.  Nobel Prize nominations, three Supreme Court justices,  hundreds of federal judges and sparing us from President Hillary.  Wow.  Even if Trump loses this election he has done more good than any recent president.  Massive crowds at his events while Old Joe hides in the basement day after day.  And where is Kantala?  She disappeared faster than Amelia Earhart.

[John Iacoletti]

I don't engage with Dishonest John but anyone can do a simple Google search to confirm that several European countries have greater deaths per capita than the US.  Belgium, Spain, and UK, for example.

Shifting the goalposts again,  Lying "Richard"?  You said "a greater per capita number of cases and a greater number of deaths".

Andorra is the only European country with more cases per capita.  And no country in the world has a greater number of deaths.  Nice try.  Wrong and arrogant about it -- as usual.

  And Europe is in the midst of a surge in cases.  It is a falsehood to suggest that Trump failed to perform some still unspecified act that resulted in a greater number of deaths than in other places.

He denied that it was a problem for months, did nothing toward a nationwide lockdown, testing, or masking strategy, encouraged all his lackeys such as yourself to think of it all as a hoax or overblown, and helped governors based on how much they sucked up to him.  Then he exerted pressure on the CDC to adjust their guidelines.

In fact, the CDC estimated approximately 200k deaths with mitigation.  So Trump has saved approximately 1.8 million lives given that the estimate was around 2 million deaths without mitigation.

There was mitigation in spite of Trump, not because of Trump.

  It is all the more humorous that Trump is being scolded by Old Joe, "Let Them Eat Ice Cream" Nancy, and Negligent Cuomo.  All of whom downplayed the risks of the virus and encouraged people to go out like normal because they claimed the virus was all a racist hoax.  Untold numbers of Americans would have died has any of those PC numbskulls been in charge.  Nobel Prize nominations, three Supreme Court justices,  hundreds of federal judges and sparing us from President Hillary.  Wow.  Even if Trump loses this election he has done more good than any recent president.

He hasn't done any good.  He's the most incompetent and corrupt president in US history. 

  Massive crowds at his events

Almost none wearing masks.  Yeah, he's all about "mitigation".     That's ok -- Darwin will sort them out.  Too bad they go home and infect intelligent people, but that's "collateral damage" to a Trumpster.  It is what it is.

All he cares about is feeling like he's adored.  He's a malignant narcissist.  Not unlike yourself.

[Martin Weidmann]

I don't engage with Dishonest John but anyone can do a simple Google search to confirm that several European countries have greater deaths per capita than the US.  Belgium, Spain, and UK, for example.  And Europe is in the midst of a surge in cases.  It is a falsehood to suggest that Trump failed to perform some still unspecified act that resulted in a greater number of deaths than in other places.  In fact, the CDC estimated approximately 200k deaths with mitigation.  So Trump has saved approximately 1.8 million lives given that the estimate was around 2 million deaths without mitigation.  It is all the more humorous that Trump is being scolded by Old Joe, "Let Them Eat Ice Cream" Nancy, and Negligent Cuomo.  All of whom downplayed the risks of the virus and encouraged people to go out like normal because they claimed the virus was all a racist hoax.  Untold numbers of Americans would have died has any of those PC numbskulls been in charge.  Nobel Prize nominations, three Supreme Court justices,  hundreds of federal judges and sparing us from President Hillary.  Wow.  Even if Trump loses this election he has done more good than any recent president.  Massive crowds at his events while Old Joe hides in the basement day after day.  And where is Kantala?  She disappeared faster than Amelia Earhart.

anyone can do a simple Google search to confirm that several European countries have greater deaths per capita than the US.  Belgium, Spain, and UK, for example. 

Still trying to downplay the terrible deathrate in America, by ignoring that the USA has 4 % of the world's population and over 25% of all the covid-19 cases. Compared to the USA, the countries you name are significantly smaller and have a much higher population density than the USA, so logically the risk of covid spreading faster is greater and any per capita comparision is simply dishonest.

And Europe is in the midst of a surge in cases.

I'm in Europe and have been there since the lockdown in March. You are full of BS! Yes, in some parts of some countries a second wave of covid-19 (if you can call it that) is happening but it's nowhere near a "surge". What it is, though, is the result of people not following the guidelines, like wearing a mask and social distancing.

It is a falsehood to suggest that Trump failed to perform some still unspecified act that resulted in a greater number of deaths than in other places.

Really? And you know this, how? You just call it a falsehood because you want it to be. People with a functional brain know better.

the CDC estimated approximately 200k deaths with mitigation.

Really... well guess what, even if that is true, we have already reached 200K deaths and the pandemic is far from over....

So Trump has saved approximately 1.8 million lives given that the estimate was around 2 million deaths without mitigation.

Just like Trump, you are pulling these numbers out of your Bahookie. If that was even remotely true, why did Trump refuse to take any responsibility for anything related to covid-19?

Even if Trump loses this election he has done more good than any recent president.

Which is why just about everybody, except the extreme right wing nuts, dislike him like no President before. If Trump loses the election it will not be because of Biden. It will be because of Trump

Massive crowds at his events while Old Joe hides in the basement day after day.

And yet Biden still leads massively in the polls and most key states.... Go figure!

[Richard Smith]

Again, a simple Google search can establish the facts.  As Dishonest John apparently admits, the number of deaths per capita in many countries exceeds that of the US.  And here is the March report on the projected number of deaths:

"Between 160 million and 214 million people in the United States could be infected over the course of the epidemic, according to a projection that encompasses the range of the four scenarios. That could last months or even over a year, with infections concentrated in shorter periods, staggered across time in different communities, experts said. As many as 200,000 to 1.7 million people could die."

It's a pandemic.  There is no vaccine.  People will continue to get sick and die until the Trump vaccine has been released.  Old Joe has no magic wand or plan to do anything better or differently.  He is completely clueless.  In fact, if he had been President the numbers would be much higher because he tried to make this a race issue instead of a health issue.  Not to mention his families financial ties to China.  Where is Hunter?  Where is Kantala?  Only Jimmy Hoffa managed to disappear more quickly. 

[Martin Weidmann]

Again, a simple Google search can establish the facts.  As Dishonest John apparently admits, the number of deaths per capita in many countries exceeds that of the US.  And here is the March report on the projected number of deaths:

"Between 160 million and 214 million people in the United States could be infected over the course of the epidemic, according to a projection that encompasses the range of the four scenarios. That could last months or even over a year, with infections concentrated in shorter periods, staggered across time in different communities, experts said. As many as 200,000 to 1.7 million people could die."

It's a pandemic.  There is no vaccine.  People will continue to get sick and die until the Trump vaccine has been released.  Old Joe has no magic wand or plan to do anything better or differently.  He is completely clueless.  In fact, if he had been President the numbers would be much higher because he tried to make this a race issue instead of a health issue.  Not to mention his families financial ties to China.  Where is Hunter?  Where is Kantala?  Only Jimmy Hoffa managed to disappear more quickly.

Again, a simple Google search can establish the facts.  As Dishonest John apparently admits, the number of deaths per capita in many countries exceeds that of the US.

First of all, John did not admit anything of the kind. Secondly, if you need to rely on a google search for your information, than try one about population density, rather than being a dishonest hack.

USA: 4% of the world's population... more than 25% of all the covid-19 cases. Deal with it!

And here is the March report on the projected number of deaths:

"Between 160 million and 214 million people in the United States could be infected over the course of the epidemic, according to a projection that encompasses the range of the four scenarios. That could last months or even over a year, with infections concentrated in shorter periods, staggered across time in different communities, experts said. As many as 200,000 to 1.7 million people could die."

What report? Without a source this is meaningless.... Also, even if this speculative report estimates up to 1.7 million could die (not "will die"), that still does not mean you can claim, as you did before, that Trump "saved approximately 1.8 million lives given that the estimate was around 2 million deaths without mitigation" because it's simply not true. Trump saved nobody! The report merely estimates that the death toll could be anywhere between 200.000 and 1.7 million people.

It's a pandemic.  There is no vaccine. 

Would you like another open door to kick in?

People will continue to get sick and die until the Trump vaccine has been released. 

There is no such thing as a Trump vaccine.... It's just one more thing Trump is trying to claim credit for even before it arrives, which it may never do. Nobody knows.... They never found a vaccine for aids either....

Old Joe has no magic wand or plan to do anything better or differently. 

Neither does Donald Trump have a magic wand and the fact that he has no plan has become obvious over recent months.

He is completely clueless.  In fact, if he had been President the numbers would be much higher because he tried to make this a race issue instead of a health issue. 

Bla bla bla... more pathetic speculation and idiotic reasoning. Btw, nowhere else but in America it is in fact a health issue and a race issue.

Not to mention his families financial ties to China.  Where is Hunter? 

Family ties?... Like Ivanka and her Chinese trademarks, you mean? Got any evidence that Joe Biden has financial ties to China? I seriously doubt it. And who cares where Hunter Biden is. He isn't part of the election. Trying to pull of a Ukraine II scenario?

Where is Kantala?  Only Jimmy Hoffa managed to disappear more quickly.

I don't really care where she is either, but I have a good idea where she will be in January 2021.

Does you mommy know you are so dishonest, "Richard"?