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Title: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 12, 2020, 05:55:38 PM


Trump Supporters Have a Predictably Insane Coronavirus Conspiracy Theory
Apparently this all ties back to the Russia investigation.

BY BESS LEVIN
FEBRUARY 27, 2020

There’s an old saying in politics that goes “Let’s not stereotype anyone, but Donald Trump attracts some real wack jobs. (See R.Storing). ” Data points that support this maxim include but are not limited to: the belief among Trump supporters that God chose him to be president; the belief that an established pathological liar is the most honest man in politics; and the belief that if he’d just had three fewer Big Macs over the last couple years, he be on track to live until 200. Of course, there’s nothing like the threat of a global pandemic to get already unwell people extra riled up, so now we can add “the belief that the deep state is using the coronavirus to take down the president” to the list.

Politico reports that a number of Trump supporters are pretty sure they’ve uncovered a smoking gun showing that traitors within the government are weaponizing the disease against the president, in a plot that goes all the way back to the Mueller report. Yes:

One key piece of evidence fueling their theory: A Centers for Disease Control official making public statements on the outbreak is the sister of Rod Rosenstein, the former deputy attorney general who oversaw the Mueller probe and, according to a disputed report, once discussed removing Trump from office. Dr. Nancy Messonnier, head of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases—who got a shoutout from her brother for attending his 2017 confirmation hearing—warned Americans in a Tuesday media briefing that an outbreak in the U.S. is inevitable. Messonnier’s comments got widespread attention, sparking calls for further actions by the administration, which had long struck a more reassuring note. The furor appeared to catch Trump flat-footed while en route back from his summit with the Indian prime minister, where he had declared the outbreak “very well under control.”


The likes of conservative radio host Rush Limbaugh and Jim Hoft, publisher of the Gateway Pundit, a conspiratorial, pro-Trump site, have seized on the sibling connection, as have a large number of anonymous Twitter accounts. “Rod Rosenstein as we all know definitely worked to undermine the Trump administration, which is oddly exactly what his sister is doing by undermining the more logical and calm message the president’s team has issued on the virus,” charged conservative pundit Wayne Dupree in a Wednesday blog post. Of course, there’s no evidence whatsoever that health officials like Messonnier have been overstating the threat of the virus, yet a considerable amount suggesting that Trump has downplayed the situation so as to avoid upsetting financial markets. “I’ve heard people jumping on Nancy Messonnier because she told us the truth: that it’s not a matter of if but when,” Representative Tom Cole told reporters on Wednesday, according to Politico. “Isn’t that what you want to hear instead of some pie in the sky?” Apparently, not so much!

In addition to putting two and two together re: Messonnier—who, unlike the president and newly minted coronavirus czar Mike Pence, is an actual doctor who has never helped cause an HIV outbreak that we know of—supporters like Limbaugh have also fingered the media for the inside job. On Monday, the Medal of Freedom recipient told his listeners: “It looks like the coronavirus is being weaponized as yet another element to bring down Donald Trump,” adding, “Now, I want to tell you the truth about the coronavirus…The coronavirus is the common cold, folks. The Drive-By Media hype of this thing as a pandemic, as the Andromeda strain, as, ‘Oh, my God, if you get it, you’re dead’...I think the survival rate is 98%. Ninety-eight percent of people get the coronavirus survive…I believe the way it’s being weaponized is by virtue of the media, and I think that it is an effort to bring down Trump, and one of the ways it’s being used to do this is to scare the investors, to scare people in business. It’s to scare people into not buying Treasury bills at auctions. It’s to scare people into leaving, cashing out of the stock market—and sure enough, as the show began today, the stock market—the Dow Jones Industrial Average—was down about 900 points, supposedly because of the latest news about the spread of the coronavirus.”

Perhaps now that it’s all been laid out as plain as day, you‘ll begin to understand.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 12, 2020, 06:14:59 PM
Report: Internal CDC Documents Warned Full Reopening of Schools Would Be ‘Highest Risk’ For Spreading Coronavirus


As President Donald Trump aims to have students back in school by Fall, internal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) documents warn that fully reopening schools would be “highest risk” for spreading the coronavirus, according to the New York Times.

The 69-page report labeled “For Internal Use Only” was compiled to assist federal public health response teams in dealing with coronavirus hot spots. The document includes reopening plans and proposals in line with CDC guidelines, for state and district schools along with universities.

Most of the document is made up of already publicly available CDC documents, according to the Times. Schools and universities are set to reopen in approximately another month, with some announcing all class instruction with be done online.

Vice President Mike Pence announced during a White House briefing on Wednesday that the CDC would release their guidelines for reopening schools next week adding, “we just don’t want the guidance to be too tough,” according to CNN.

Trump voiced his own criticisms of the agency on Wednesday in a tweet, “I disagree with @CDCgov on their very tough & expensive guidelines for opening schools. While they want them open, they are asking schools to do very impractical things. I will be meeting with them!!!


“I can tell you that those guidance that we put out are out, and they stand,” CDC Director Dr. Robert Redfield told CNN host Anderson Cooper. “But at the end of the day, these guidances are just that — they’re guidances, which the local schools and districts need to then incorporate into a practical, real plan that they can operationalize to begin to get these young people back to school safely.”

It has not been confirmed if the president has been briefed on the CDC’s report.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 13, 2020, 12:03:18 AM
White House seeks to discredit Fauci as coronavirus surges

Many of the statements the White House criticizes Fauci for were based on the best available data at the time and were widely echoed by Trump and other officials.

The White House is seeking to discredit Dr. Anthony Fauci, the country's leading infectious disease expert, as President Donald Trump works to marginalize him and his dire warnings about the shortcomings of the U.S. coronavirus response.

In a remarkable broadside by the Trump administration against one of its own, a White House official said Sunday that "several White House officials are concerned about the number of times Dr. Fauci has been wrong on things." The official gave NBC News a list of nearly a dozen past comments by Fauci that the official said had ultimately proven erroneous.

Among them: Fauci's comments in January that the coronavirus was "not a major threat" and his guidance in March that "people should not be walking around with masks."

It was a move more characteristic of a political campaign furtively disseminating opposition research about an opponent than of a White House struggling to contain a pandemic that has killed more than 135,000 people, according to an NBC News tally.

Fauci, who runs the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, had been a leading member of the White House coronavirus task force and a key communicator with the public until the president soured on his sober assessments of the situation, which have increasingly conflicted with the more sanguine picture of a virus in retreat that the president has sought to paint.

In recent days, Fauci has deviated from Trump by disputing that the U.S. is "doing great" and by faulting the decision in some states to reopen too quickly and to sidestep the task force's suggested criteria for when it's safe to loosen restrictions. In a particularly alarming prediction, Fauci said he wouldn't be surprised if the U.S. was soon adding 100,000 new cases a day — a figure that would reflect an abject failure to slow the spread.

Fauci declined to comment.

The coronavirus is surging nationwide, which Trump has repeatedly downplayed as the result of increased testing rather than growing numbers of infections. Florida on Sunday reported over 15,000 new cases, the most any state has reported in a single day since the pandemic began. The U.S. on Friday also surpassed 70,000 new coronavirus cases nationwide for the first time.

As physicians and scientists have learned more about the coronavirus, the medical consensus on how to treat it and limit its spread has evolved — and not just in the U.S. Many of Fauci's assertions called into question by the White House official were based on the best available data at the time and were widely echoed by Trump, other members of the task force and senior White House officials.


"When you learn more, you change those recommendations," Surgeon General Jerome Adams, another member of the task force, told CBS News on Sunday. "Our recommendations have changed."


The list of Fauci's comments compiled by the White House, first reported by The Washington Post, includes Fauci's saying in January— weeks before the first reported COVID-19 death in the U.S. — that the virus was "not a major threat for the people in the U.S." A month later, Trump told Americans that the virus would simply "disappear" like a "miracle."

The White House declined to provide further comment. But the signs of its displeasure have been mounting. On Thursday, White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany declined to say whether Trump still has confidence in Fauci, and the president said of him the same day: "He's made a lot of mistakes."

"I disagree with him," Trump said in a separate interview with Gray Television's Greta Van Susteren last week.

Signs of tension between Fauci and the president are growing. Fauci said last week that he hadn't seen Trump in person since June 2 and hadn't briefed him in person in at least two months.

Fauci, who has served in the federal government for decades, can't be directly fired by the president, and there were no signs that Trump was seeking to get rid of him altogether. Rather, the White House salvo appeared aimed at undermining the public's trust in the renowned immunologist in hope that Americans will be more inclined to believe Trump's far more optimistic version of events as the November election marches closer.

Fauci has enjoyed broad support from the public, which got to know the gruff-speaking doctor during his frequent appearances at the task force's televised briefings — a mainstay of the early response to the pandemic that has since fallen largely by the wayside.


A New York Times/Sienna College poll last month found that 2 in 3 registered voters approved of Fauci, including half of Republicans and 4 in 5 Democrats. Trump, by comparison, enjoyed support of his handling of the crisis from only 1 in 4 voters in the same poll, including just 4 percent of Democrats.

Another member of the coronavirus task force, Dr. Brett Giroir, added to the pile-on, saying Sunday on NBC's "Meet the Press" that Fauci hasn't always been correct.

"I respect Dr. Fauci a lot, but Dr. Fauci is not 100 percent right, and he also doesn't necessarily, he admits that, have the whole national interest in mind. He looks at it from a very narrow public health point of view," Giroir said.



Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 13, 2020, 12:12:57 AM
Right wingers now have a coordinated effort to attack Dr. Fauci because they need a scapegoat to cover up for Donald Trump's COVID-19 lies. Donald Trump and the right wing media called COVID-19 a hoax, mocked wearing masks and social distancing and promoted bogus drugs that don't work. Dr. Fauci warned that opening up prematurely would explode COVID19 cases and it has when Donald Trump told us "it was going away". When anybody speaks out against this corrupt pathologically lying administration they will attack and smear you. They will try to force you into silence like they have done to others. They are hellbent on forcing kids into school so they can get sick and spread the virus at home. Dr. Fauci is against it and they are trying to shut him up for speaking out against it. Every right winger on Twitter right now is smearing Dr. Fauci who was right on the money while these right wingers were blasting out bogus health disinformation about COVID-19.             
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 13, 2020, 01:06:29 AM
Right wingers now have a coordinated effort to attack Dr. Fauci because they need a scapegoat to cover up for Donald Trump's COVID-19 lies. Donald Trump and the right wing media called COVID-19 a hoax, mocked wearing masks and social distancing and promoted bogus drugs that don't work. Dr. Fauci warned that opening up prematurely would explode COVID19 cases and it has when Donald Trump told us "it was going away". When anybody speaks out against this corrupt pathologically lying administration they will attack and smear you. They will try to force you into silence like they have done to others. They are hellbent on forcing kids into school so they can get sick and spread the virus at home. Dr. Fauci is against it and they are trying to shut him up for speaking out against it. Every right winger on Twitter right now is smearing Dr. Fauci who was right on the money while these right wingers were blasting out bogus health disinformation about COVID-19.             

Bingo. This is a coordinated assault on America by the federal government.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Thomas Graves on July 13, 2020, 01:15:07 AM
Right wingers now have a coordinated effort to attack Dr. Fauci because they need a scapegoat to cover up for Donald Trump's COVID-19 lies. Donald Trump and the right wing media called COVID-19 a hoax, mocked wearing masks and social distancing and promoted bogus drugs that don't work. Dr. Fauci warned that opening up prematurely would explode COVID19 cases and it has when Donald Trump told us "it was going away". When anybody speaks out against this corrupt pathologically lying administration they will attack and smear you. They will try to force you into silence like they have done to others. They are hellbent on forcing kids into school so they can get sick and spread the virus at home. Dr. Fauci is against it and they are trying to shut him up for speaking out against it. Every right winger on Twitter right now is smearing Dr. Fauci who was right on the money while these right wingers were blasting out bogus health disinformation about COVID-19.             

Dear Frederick,

Are we to assume that your calling President Trump "Donald Trump" so often means you think he's a traitor?

Or does it just signify that he really, really wuvs Eggs Benedict ?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benedict_Arnold

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eggs_Benedict

--  MWT  ;)
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Tom Scully on July 13, 2020, 06:58:48 AM
Welcome to the fight of our lives! This is not who we are. Chi-Com president Xi laughs at Pompeo's scolding hypocrisy.

Don't underestimate the mendacity and fealty of Pence. Supporters of the Trump - Pence "makeover" are either involuntarily attracted to authoritarian cruelty or.... let them justify this "makeover" in their own words.

Pence's "dead inside" spokeswoman is now the PR voice of the alleged Coronavirus "task force"! What could go wrong?

https://www.businessinsider.com/katie-miller-says-unmoved-by-child-detention-facility-visit-book-2020-7

What was court ordered to end, two full years ago is alive and unwell, and the "makeover" admin. seems determined to ignore the judge's order.:
In chronological order, the cruelty has continued two additional years, so this is only the most recent two weeks, and consider Stephen Miller married this "dead inside, thing", described at the businessinsider.com link, above.:

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https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/26/politics/migrant-children-ruling/index.html

READ: Judge rules US must release migrant children from family detention centers
By CNN

Updated 10:36 PM ET, Fri June 26, 2020
(CNN)The US government must release migrant children held in government family detention centers by mid-July due to the coronavirus pandemic, a federal judge ruled Friday.

Read the ruling:
And....
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/legal-issues/us-may-separate-families-after-federal-judge-orders-ice-to-free-migrant-children/2020/07/07/a1758ad6-c067-11ea-b178-bb7b05b94af1_story.html

Trump administration seeks to continue detaining parents after ...www.washingtonpost.com › legal-issues › 2020/07/07
5 days ago - A judge has set a Thursday deadline for ICE to determine whether it will continue holding more than 100 parents at family detention centers.

AND:

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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/immigrant-parents-denied-adequate-medical-care-should-be-released-their-n1233615
NBC News
Immigrant parents denied adequate medical care, should be released with their children, lawyers say
Lawyers representing immigrant families in detention filed a complaint ... A federal judge is scheduled to hear arguments Monday in a case that ...
6 hours ago July 12, 2020

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The Lincoln Project :


Before the "makeover", after 113 years :

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emma_Lazarus
.....
Lines from her sonnet "The New Colossus" appear on a bronze plaque in the pedestal of the Statue of Liberty which was placed in 1903.[2] The sonnet was written in 1883 and donated to an auction, conducted by the "Art Loan Fund Exhibition in Aid of the Bartholdi Pedestal Fund for the Statue of Liberty" in order to raise funds to build the pedestal.[c] Lazarus' close friend Rose Hawthorne Lathrop was inspired by "The New Colossus" to found the Dominican Sisters of Hawthorne.[26]
...........
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8d/New-colossus-emma-lazarus-statue-of-liberty_NPS.jpg)

Has the U.S. become so weak and fearful it insists on this policy for a third year? The $$$ expended on guards, legal fees, etc. could have been directed to relieving the suffering of these desperate victims of U.S. extremism, instead of intensifying their suffering!

Thugs in a pandemic era, but people eagerly defend them and Trump "accomplishments":

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2018/07/10/federal-judge-denies-trump-administrations-request-to-indefinitely-detain-families/

Federal judge denies Trump administration's request to ...
Gee described the Trump administration's arguments as “dubious” and “unconvincing.” ... July 10, 2018 at 12:27 a.m. PDT ... so immigration officials could indefinitely detain families while their cases wind through immigration court. AD. AD.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/09/06/trump-immigration-detain-families-together-770834
Trump family detention plan challenges court settlement ...
Trump family detention plan challenges court settlement. By TED HESSON. 09/06/2018 10:50 AM EDT. Share on Facebook Share on Twitter. The Trump ...

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/09/06/trump-immigration-detain-families-together-770834
US: Judge Blocks Indefinite Family Detention | Human Rights
Sep 27, 2019 - 2018 Getty Images ... “The Trump administration's new rules were completely inconsistent with legal requirements designed to ... Judge Dolly Gee of the United States District Court for the Central District of California ruled that ...

Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 13, 2020, 04:12:09 PM
The paranoia rages!

Trump promotes tweet that accuses the CDC and doctors of ‘lying’ about COVID-19 to hurt his campaign

President Donald Trump on Monday promoted a tweet from former “Love Connection” host Chuck Woolery that accused doctors of “lying” about the novel coronavirus to hurt his chances of winning re-election later this year.

“The most outrageous lies are the ones about Covid 19,” Woolery wrote in his tweet. “Everyone is lying. The CDC, Media, Democrats, our Doctors, not all but most, that we are told to trust. I think it’s all about the election and keeping the economy from coming back, which is about the election. I’m sick of it.”


The president has been feuding more with his own government’s experts about the state of the pandemic in the United States, and his own aides have even started circulating an opposition research file about Dr. Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, for getting some things wrong in the past when talking about the novel coronavirus.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 13, 2020, 05:19:44 PM
No mas.  These apparently endless, repetitive rants about Trump have no relevance on a JFK assassination forum.  How about at least moving them to "Off Topic"?  Or better yet, the Internet is a vast wasteland for obsessive people.  Surely there are better suited places to rant and torture the folks who frequent other websites.

    All they have is Each Other. Ranting-N-Raving/HATING due to "Trump Derangement Syndrome". If there were still publicly funded Asylums across this country, these people would be filling 'em to the rafters.   
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Tom Scully on July 13, 2020, 05:27:09 PM

No mas.  These apparently endless, repetitive rants about Trump have no relevance on a JFK assassination forum.  How about at least moving them to "Off Topic"?  Or better yet, the Internet is a vast wasteland for obsessive people.  Surely there are better suited places to rant and torture the folks who frequent other websites.
    All they have is Each Other. Ranting-N-Raving/HATING due to "Trump Derangement Syndrome". If there were still publicly funded Asylums across this country, these people would be filling 'em to the rafters.

....Or, post some links to facts supporting your posted opinion.... merely your feelings if you refuse to support your posted opinions.
Right now, your feelings seem to be hurt, but consider innocent kids are still caged, still exposed unnecessarily to covid-19, still not receiving adequate medical care, two full years after court ordered release, and there is that pesky problem of pandemic raging out of control mostly now in red states that did exactly as Trump demanded, and his Secretary of Education, who literally bought her office, is putting Trump's campaign priorities over health risks to school children, contradicted yesterday by a health expert, on the same Foxnoose Sunday show Ms. Devos lied about children's health risks on! -
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https://abc7ny.com/betsy-devos-02-02-kids-die-children/6314015/
..Speaking in Sunday TV interviews, DeVos stressed that kids attending school in the fall should be the rule, not the exception.

She asserted that "there's nothing in the data that suggests that kids being in school is in any way dangerous."...

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https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/04/the-implications-of-trump-derangement-syndrome/610705/
The Implications of Trump Derangement Syndrome
Even now, vehement Trump supporters seem to believe that most criticism of the president is explained by widespread TDS.
APRIL 27, 2020


Conor Friedersdorf - Staff writer at The Atlantic

....“Has Trump derangement syndrome killed more people than COVID-19?” a blogger asked, adding, “Many hospitals are denying [hydroxychloroquine] and instead maintaining the standard protocol for acute respiratory distress syndrome, which seems to be a death sentence for COVID patients.”

As these critics see it, something about watching Trump try to fight the coronavirus pandemic induces psychosis in roughly half of the country. This deranged reaction makes rank-and-file Democratic voters “suicidal.” It makes Democrats akin to perpetrators of manslaughter, and governors “reckless, dangerous, ignorant and delusional.” It causes hospitals to deny lifesaving treatments to patients. This “syndrome” may even be killing more people than the coronavirus.

If all that’s true, wouldn’t America be better off being governed by someone who doesn’t induce such deranged reactions in so many of its citizens? No Trump, no TDS.....
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 13, 2020, 06:00:10 PM
Trump’s reelection operation hires 1,500 field staffers. Leading the effort will be Royell Storing who will assume the responsibilities of rest room cleanliness nationally. Trump campaign manner Brad Parscale, in a release said Storing was “uniquely qualified” for the position.


WASHINGTON (AP) — The Republican National Committee and President Donald Trump’s campaign say they have now hired 1,500 field staffers, aiming to convert their financial advantage over Democrats into votes in November.

Trump Victory, the joint field effort of the two organizations, announced Monday the hiring of an additional 300 staffers set to hit 20 target states by Wednesday in the largest field operation ever mounted by a Republican.

The goal is to turn out votes on behalf of Republicans up and down the ticket this fall. The Trump team says it is on pace to eclipse the 2.2 million volunteer total that helped reelect President Barack Obama in 2012.

The announcement comes as public and private polls show Trump trailing presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden across key battleground states and nationally. The president’s team argues that polls also showed Trump down in 2016 but he nonetheless pulled off a win.

RNC Chair Ronna McDaniel said the staff and volunteers are looking to use the RNC’s vast data trove and voter scores to reach a dwindling swath of swing voters and the far larger universe of low-propensity voters — many of whom already like Trump but are unlikely to vote.

A field program alone doesn’t win elections — and four years ago it was Trump’s ground game that lagged Hillary Clinton’s — but in a close election, the GOP argues, it can spell the difference between victory and defeat.

“In an election like this, where it’s going to come down to a few thousand votes in a couple of states, that’s when your ground game matters,” McDaniel said.

Republicans are quick to note that their staffer count in the field is more than double that of Biden, whose goal was 600 field staffers by the end of June. Additionally, the RNC staffers have been on the ground for years in some cases, while Biden has only just recently begun rolling out his roster of battleground state directors.

And while Biden’s campaign has out-raised Trump in recent months, Trump’s team believes its cash-on-hand advantage and hiring head start give it an insurmountable edge in reaching out to voters.

Both the Trump and Biden field operations went virtual largely overnight in mid-March as the coronavirus pandemic hit. Trump’s has begun resuming some in-person campaign activities as states have lifted some virus restrictions.

“We have the biggest and best ground game operation ever seen,” said Trump campaign communications director Tim Murtaugh. “We’ve built lasting relationships with voters on the ground that will power President Trump to victory in November. Joe Biden scarcely emerges from his basement, is woefully behind in state organizations and lacks any enthusiasm behind his candidacy.”

Biden’s campaign dismissed the criticism and asserted a broader advantage by the Democrat.

“In this moment of crisis, Joe Biden’s message is resonating with voters because he has displayed the responsibility and leadership that the American people expect of a president — whereas Donald Trump has careened from failure to failure, undermining the fight against the coronavirus pandemic with his instability and mismanagement while spreading hate to divide our country at a time when we need to come together more than ever,” Biden campaign spokesman Andrew Bates said.

The RNC has invested more than $350 million on data, technology and field programs since 2013. A key tool is “Trump Talk,” which harnesses both political and commercial data to provide staffers and volunteers with a dynamic script to use when contacting voters in person or over the phone.

“If you’re knocking the wrong doors, then you’re wasting effort,” McDaniel said.

Already the Trump effort has made more than 55 million voter contacts this presidential cycle — more than it made in all of 2016 — and amassed 1.4 million volunteers.

To be counted as a volunteer, “you’ve taken an action that we measure: a phone call, a door knock. Some kind of voter contact,” said RNC chief of staff Richard Walters. That’s important, said McDaniel, because “the best way to change the mind of a voter is for someone they value to have a conversation with them.”
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Jerry Freeman on July 13, 2020, 07:22:12 PM
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....aiming to convert their financial advantage over Democrats into votes in November.
                                                      $1=1vote
                                                                 There's democracy for ya'
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 13, 2020, 07:39:23 PM

  Where were You guys and your Jaded Opinions when Hillary outspent Trump by better than 3-1? AND She LOST! The $$$ Then and Now in a POTUS Election means Nothing. Try to Learn from Real History instead of Destroying It.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 13, 2020, 07:51:17 PM
  Where were You guys and your Jaded Opinions when Hillary outspent Trump by better than 3-1? AND She LOST! The $$$ Then and Now in a POTUS Election means Nothing. Try to Learn from Real History instead of Destroying It.

Psss. Parscale looking for you. Lot of rest rooms out there need your expertise.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 13, 2020, 08:00:01 PM

  I'll give Jimbo your respects the next time I see him.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 14, 2020, 01:48:01 AM
  I'll give Jimbo your respects the next time I see him.

(https://www.residentadvisor.net/images/labels/delusion.jpg)

The delusion is real.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 14, 2020, 04:32:55 PM
America shuts down again -- choosing reality over Trump’s false claims
Stephen Collinson

While President Donald Trump obsesses about his reelection hopes in his White House bubble, state and local leaders are frantically reversing state reopenings that he demanded, which turned America into the world's biggest coronavirus hotspot.

As emergency rooms filled and the virus quickened its relentless march across southern and Western states, Trump stuck to the fiction that the worst is already over: "We had to close it down; now we're opening it up," the President said of the economy at the White House, patting himself on the back for saving "millions of lives."

As new cases of the disease reach 60,000 a day nationwide, many leaders, including those who supported Trump's aggressive approach, now have little choice but to prioritize science over politics, leaving the President looking out of touch with reality.

In Texas, Houston's Democratic Mayor Sylvester Turner proposed a two-week shutdown, days after Republican Gov. Greg Abbott raised the possibility of more stringent measures after issuing a mask wearing mandate that offended conservative orthodoxy. West Virginia called time's up in bars in the worst-hit county.

In California, Democratic Gov. Gavin Newsom ordered the closure of all indoor restaurants, wineries, movie theaters, zoos, museums and shut all bars. Los Angeles and San Diego said their kids would start the new school year online only. Oregon banned gatherings of more than 10 people inside because of an "alarming rise" of Covid-19 cases in the state. KFC encouraged franchises in Florida, Texas, Oklahoma and California to stop dine-in service.

Florida, which on Saturday set the record for any state in single day data on new infections, now has more Covid-19 cases than all but eight entire countries.

The picture is of a nation that is beginning to shut down again in defiance of the President's triumphant but misleading claims that a "transition to greatness" is under way. Restrictions imposed on cities as large as Houston and Los Angeles could set back the surprising revival in the economy last month.

Modest job gains, trumpeted by the President, could turn into permanent job losses.

In remarks likely to further infuriate Trump, who is grousing about Dr. Anthony Fauci's press, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases made what is unfortunately becoming an obvious point: fast openings have triggered a disaster.

"It is very clear -- and we know this from countries throughout the world -- that if you physically separate people, to the point of not allowing the virus to transmit ... we know that we can do that if we shut down," Fauci said on a Stanford School of Medicine webinar.

"We did not shut down entirely -- and that's the reason why, when we went up, we started to come down, and then we plateaued at a level that was really quite high -- about 20,000 infections a day," Fauci said. "Then, as we started to reopen, we're seeing the surges that we're seeing today, as we speak, in California ... in Arizona, in Texas, in Florida, and in several other states."

There are a few bright spots. For the first time in months, there were no Covid-19 deaths in New York City in a 24-hour period, a moment of deliverance that Democratic Mayor Bill de Blasio called "striking and moving." Massachusetts announced that its seven-day average of positive tests had fallen to 1.7% -- down 94% since mid-April.

The lesson for the states now in the center of the storm -- that jumped ahead of the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention guidelines on safe reopening -- are sobering. New York and Massachusetts bought what may still be only a temporary truce with the coronavirus by weeks of lockdowns and a strict reopening process that waited for the curve of infections to be properly suppressed before restrictions were lifted. Even now, there's no guarantee the virus won't return at dangerous levels when normal life picks up.

None of this seems to have filtered through to Trump. As always, the President was fixated on what latest developments meant for him -- especially as he rammed home his demand for all children to get back to school despite having no plan for how to make their return safe.

In a fresh sign of self-absorption on Monday, he turned perhaps the most acute current social complication of the pandemic into a charge that his political enemies wanted to keep kids stuck at home to hurt him.

"I think they think they'll do better if they can keep the schools closed in the election. I don't think it's going to help them, frankly, but I think they feel that by keeping schools closed, that's a bad thing for the country and, therefore, that's a good thing for them," Trump said.

The President did something similar earlier in the day, when he highlighted a tweet by Chuck Woolery, the ex-host of dating show "Love Connection" who warned "everyone is lying" about the seriousness of the current crisis, just to "keep the "economy from coming back, which is about the election."

It's not at all clear that most Americans stuck in an endless national nightmare are most concerned about an election -- especially one that's faded into the background and is still more than three months away. Parents want to know if their kids can begin learning again. The unemployed want their jobs back. The country wants its pre-virus life back.

Trump's obsession with his own political prospects has been the driving force of his administration and is a recurrent theme. His domestic agenda is almost solely designed to reward his most loyal and radical voters and his foreign policy is geared to creating splashy photo ops with the President in the starring role.

It's an Achilles' heel that led him to the ignominy of becoming only the third President to be impeached, for abusing his power by trying to coerce a foreign nation -- Ukraine -- into interfering in the 2020 to damage his opponent.

But now it's possible that as he trails Biden in pre-election polls, the President's impatience to get the economy roaring again may turn into a fatal political flaw. And it's got the potential to doom his dreams of a second term since it made the situation much worse.

The reopening of schools is crucial to the return of the economy and to the impression that America has bounced back to normal life that Trump is trying to reshape into an election message of a "transition to greatness." Until kids are in school full-time, many parents with child care issues cannot return to work, depriving America's economic engine of its full capacity.

But characteristically, Trump is ignoring complicated questions -- such as how to ensure that a mass return to school doesn't supercharge the pandemic -- as he considers what's best for himself.

Asked on Monday what he thought about New York and Los Angeles delaying the start of a new school year and the death of an Arizona teacher who died from Covid-19 after teaching at summer school, Trump replied: "Yeah. Schools should be opened. Schools should be opened. ... You're losing a lot of lives by keeping things closed."


Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 14, 2020, 04:51:40 PM
  As I continue to say, "Judge a pitcher by the Reaction of the hitter". That close to 8 Mill Jobs created in Only 2 Months has the Propaganda Machines and their PARROTS up and operating in Hyper Drive. Yeah, we continue hearing All about the SURVEYS and Trump being behind by 15 points, AND then in the face of that we see the PANIC REACTIONS like the above. My, My, My! Just LOOK at the Reaction of that shaking in his cleats hitter.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 14, 2020, 05:05:47 PM
  As I continue to say, "Judge a pitcher by the Reaction of the hitter". That close to 8 Mill Jobs created in Only 2 Months has the Propaganda Machines and their PARROTS up and operating in Hyper Drive. Yeah, we continue hearing All about the SURVEYS and Trump being behind by 15 points, AND then in the face of that we see the PANIC REACTIONS like the above. My, My, My! Just LOOK at the Reaction of that shaking in his cleats hitter.

Damn right I’m shaking. Decent Americans are. Our democracy has been brought to its knees by the conman/grifter in the WH. Nothing he won’t do to corrupt the next election. As the pandemic rages through his base is dying. The military hates him. Educated white women wouldn’t spit on him. Yet, I’m scared. He’s so morally bankrupt, nothing is beyond him. And guess what, you’re no different. My guess, when Trump is history, so are you.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 14, 2020, 05:25:27 PM
  See what I mean? Alleged 15 point lead and their peeing their pants. A select few KNOW, Most Don't.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Ray Mitcham on July 14, 2020, 05:29:05 PM
  See what I mean? Alleged 15 point lead and their peeing their pants. A select few KNOW, Most Don't.

Royell, your diaper needs changing again.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: John Tonkovich on July 14, 2020, 05:29:56 PM
  As I continue to say, "Judge a pitcher by the Reaction of the hitter". That close to 8 Mill Jobs created in Only 2 Months has the Propaganda Machines and their PARROTS up and operating in Hyper Drive. Yeah, we continue hearing All about the SURVEYS and Trump being behind by 15 points, AND then in the face of that we see the PANIC REACTIONS like the above. My, My, My! Just LOOK at the Reaction of that shaking in his cleats hitter.
Hey. 135,000 people are dead.
And you are, predictably, talking about...politics. And Trump as ..victim of the media?
Once again, a Trump supporter espousing a conspiracy theory .
Hence, the title of this thread. : )
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 14, 2020, 06:03:03 PM
Hey. 135,000 people are dead.
And you are, predictably, talking about...politics. And Trump as ..victim of the media?
Once again, a Trump supporter espousing a conspiracy theory .
Hence, the title of this thread. : )

Perfect.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Tom Scully on July 14, 2020, 08:06:56 PM
The "pandemic" is a mental health crisis aggravating the covid-19 virus spread, manifesting itself, "same as it ever was". Russia, Poland, Israel, the U.S., R.O.C., Brazil, Turkey, and the Phillipines, are plagued with citizens suffering the identical mental health issues experienced in the 1850s in the U.S. resulting in civil war, and in the rise of the Axis powers commencing with the Italian population in 1922 and climaxing in Germany ten years later.

Fascism is the consequence of mental health issues driving the politics, then and now.

Jeff Sessions and John Bolton, both appointed by Trump to key positions in his administration, will explain the symptoms of mental health crisis, aided by a christian college instructor who has studied evangelicals for 15 years, backed by Dr. Bandy X Lee's and Mary Trump, PhD's conclusions of the cause; developmentally damaged citizens, many unwittingly attracted to authoritarian personalities.

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The scholar Kristin Kobes Du Mez :
'Jesus And John Wayne' Explores Christian Manhood — And How Belief Can Bolster Trump

.....how he becomes this icon — and not just to evangelicals but to secular conservatives as well.

.....On John Wayne doing terrible things in movies but, often, for the protection of society or a greater good.

It's a very common theme in white evangelical writing on masculinity from the 1960s really to the present — that you need to have very tough, rugged men who can protect women and children, who can protect Christianity and who can protect the American nation. And for the sake of protecting these vulnerable things, these precious things, really, the ends will justify the means.

What's not to like, except for the associated "body count", whether a result of slavery fueled civil war, and in the 20th century, a U.S. burdened simultaneously with segregation and war against fascist Axis powers intent on world conquest.

Embracing their mental illness and acting out the symptoms of it was a priority higher than beating back the Axis tide threatening the world.:
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https://calendar.eji.org/racial-injustice/may/25
On this day May 25, 1943
White Workers Riot After Black Workers Promoted in Mobile, Alabama

...On May 25, 1943, a riot broke out at the Alabama Dry Dock Shipping Company after 12 African Americans were promoted to “highly powered” positions.

The Alabama Dry Dock and Shipping Company built and maintained U.S. Navy Ships during World War I and World War II. During World War II, the company was the largest employer in Mobile. In 1941, the company began hiring African American men in unskilled positions. By 1943, Mobile shipyards employed 50,000 workers and African American men and women held 7,000 of those jobs. Though small, this increase in black employees did not please white workers.

In the spring of 1943, in response to President Roosevelt's Fair Employment Practices Committee issuing directives to elevate African Americans to skilled positions, as well as years of pressure from local black leaders and the NAACP, the Alabama Dry Dock and Shipbuilding Company reluctantly agreed to promote twelve black workers to the role of welder -- a position previously reserved for white employees.

Shortly after the new welders finished their first shift, an estimated 4,000 white shipyard workers and community members armed with pipes, clubs, and other dangerous weapons attacked any black employee they could find. Two black men were thrown into the Mobile River by the mobs, while others jumped in to escape serious injury. The National Guard was called to restore order; although no one was killed, more than fifty people were seriously injured, and several weeks passed before African American workers could safely return to work.

Even after the attack, many white employees remained defiant and refused to return to work unless they received a guarantee that African Americans would no longer be hired. When the federal government intervened, the company created four segregated shipways where African Americans could hold any position with the exception of foreman. African Americans working on the rest of the shipyard were relegated to the low-paying, unskilled tasks they had historically performed.

Here is a link to a PBS video about the Alabama Dry Dock riots. ......

Cruelty is an irresistible element to the devolopmentally damaged. Gen. Mattis resigned in protest in reaction to Trump's attitude towards the Kurds who did the heavy lifting in the alliance resulting in the defeat of ISIS. It was only last October when Trump doubled down on unilateral withdrawal from the agreement controlling and monitoring Iran's nuclear development program, doubling down with another lesson to the world that the U.S. has become erratic, unpredictable and certainly not a partner any other nation can rely on a a partner or ally.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/06/24/most-tragic-story-john-boltons-book/
The most tragic story in John Bolton’s book
Opinion by  Josh Rogin Columnist
June 24, 2020 at 6:00 a.m. EDT

There are many disturbing stories of foreign policy malpractice in John Bolton’s tell-all book, “The Room Where It Happened: A White House Memoir,” but it’s clear that what the former national security adviser reveals about the Trump administration’s actions regarding Syria stand out as the most grossly negligent, horribly dysfunctional and morally bankrupt.

We already knew the basic Trump story on Syria. We knew that President Trump, who publicly called Syria nothing but “sand and death,” wanted to remove the roughly 2,000 U.S. troops in the country from day one, damn the consequences. We knew he wanted to declare victory over the Islamic State (prematurely), hand over the battlespace to anyone who would step in and declare a campaign promise fulfilled.

The book now provides not only gruesome details of how Trump misunderstood and mismanaged the United States’ Syria policy, but also the deep dysfunction inside his team. Most troubling is what Bolton’s book does not include — namely any honest attempt by the Trump administration to actually solve the Syrian crisis or protect Syrian civilians.

The president’s own quotes, if accurate, reveal even less comprehension and more disdain for Syria than previously known. Trump casually cut off $200 million of stabilization assistance to liberated but desperate areas of Syria, saying, “I want to build up our country, not others.” Trump didn’t believe the United States had a real interest in fighting the Islamic State at all. “We’re killing ISIS for countries that are our enemies,” he is quoted as saying. Privately, Trump revealed his true feelings about a U.S. allied force in Syria. “I don’t like the Kurds. They ran from the Iraqis, they ran from the Turks, the only time they don’t run is when we’re bombing all around them with F-18s,” he reportedly said.


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https://english.alaraby.co.uk/english/comment/2020/6/24/boltons-book-and-why-trump-betrayed-the-kurds

..The two incidents Trump refers to were the October 2017 Iraqi military takeover of the disputed Kirkuk region from the Kurdish Peshmerga, and the Turkish incursions against Syrian Kurds in Afrin in early 2018 and northeast Syria in October 2019.

In both instances, the Trump administration did little to deter
https://english.alaraby.co.uk/english/comment/2019/10/8/worse-than-1975-trumps-cynical-betrayal-of-the-kurds
or even dissuade either Iraq or Turkey from attacking key US allies in the fight against IS.

Trump's assertion that "the only time they don't run is when we're bombing all around them with F-18s" is particularly offensive. For one, no military force in the world would readily put their troops in harm's way unless it was first capable of giving them air support. The United States, in particular, has always striven to use its advantages in air power to overwhelm its adversaries and lessen any potential US troop casualties. ...

Trump’s decision to strike the Assad regime for the second time following chemical attacks against civilians occurred during Bolton’s first week as national security adviser. Bolton describes a completely broken process. He accuses then-Defense Secretary Jim Mattis of using bureaucratic maneuvering to corner Trump into a smaller option, which Bolton then concludes was insufficient to “deter” Syrian leader Bashar al-Assad from using chemical weapons again. Trump tried to pull out at the last minute, after allies had signed on. “We’re knocking out nothing,” Trump said, admitting the strikes were pinpricks.

Trump’s December 2018 decision to announce a complete U.S. withdrawal from Syria and his interactions with Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan make up Bolton’s most troubling set of anecdotes. “This was a personal crisis for me,” Bolton wrote. But not because of what would happen in Syria. According to Bolton, “the big picture was stopping Iran.”

“Israel’s Ambassador Ron Dermer told me that this was the worst day he had experienced thus far in the Trump administration,” Bolton wrote.

Trump’s calls with Erdogan were an embarrassing mix of muddled messages and naive assumptions. Trump wanted Turkey to finish fighting the Islamic State and not attack the Kurds. (Later, Turkey directly attacked the Kurds while the Islamic State regrouped). Bolton has harsh words for Jim Jeffrey, the U.S. special envoy for Syria, who Bolton said was pro-Turkey and attempted to map out which parts of Syria the Turks and Kurds would control, a futile effort the Turks ignored.

Bolton takes credit (along with Gen. Joseph F. Dunford Jr., the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff at the time) for convincing Trump to leave “a couple of hundred” troops in northern Syria and not abandoning (for now) a southern Syrian base known as Tanf, where another 200 or so U.S. troops are stationed. When Trump again announced the complete U.S. withdrawal from Syria in October 2019, Bolton was already gone. Eventually, Trump partially walked back that announcement as well, another bureaucratic and diplomatic mess.

The president never had a realistic understanding of Syria. He believed Arab states would send troops into Syria and pay the United States to support them, an initiative Bolton actually attempted with zero results. Trump also believed European countries would commit more troops to Syria if the United States pulled out, which was never true.

Trump “constantly” wanted to call Assad to negotiate the return of at least six Americans believed to be in the regime’s custody, but the Syrian leader wouldn’t take the call, to Bolton’s relief. Over and over, Trump pointed to “my campaign” and “my base” as the reasons he wanted to get out. Trump constantly questioned aloud why we were there. ......

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https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/06/why-christians-support-trump/613669/
Jeff Sessions Explains Why Christians Support Trump
The former attorney general compared the president to a Middle Eastern strongman.

JUNE 30, 2020
David A. Graham
Staff writer at The Atlantic

“In Christ there is no east or west / In him no south or north, / But one great family bound by love / Throughout the whole wide earth,” goes the old hymn.

But in Donald Trump, there is division among American Christians. On one side are those who insist that the president is a Christian hero who is standing up for religious rights. On the other are critics who counter that white evangelical Christians have struck a corrupt but convenient bargain with an immoral leader whose inclinations are dictatorial, not religious.

Into this debate strides former Attorney General Jeff Sessions, who, despite his excommunication from Trump’s good graces, remains a die-hard backer of the president and his ideological agenda. Yet in a masterful profile in The New York Times Magazine by Elaina Plott, he comes down solidly, if unwittingly, on the side of the skeptics. Sessions suggests that the president’s own religious convictions are irrelevant, compares him to the dictators Abdel Fattah el-Sisi and Bashar al-Assad, and makes the case for choosing a strongman who can defend Christians over democratic politics.

Michael Gerson: Trump and the last temptation of the evangelicals :
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/04/the-last-temptation/554066/

This isn’t reading between the lines; Sessions makes his views quite clear. When Plott asked Sessions, who is now running an underdog campaign to return to his old U.S. Senate seat in Alabama, how Christians could support Trump, he replied with a reference to Egypt and el-Sisi.

“It’s not a democracy—he’s a strongman, tough man, but he promised to protect them. And they believed him, because they didn’t want the Muslim Brotherhood taking over Egypt. Because they knew they’d be vulnerable. They chose to support somebody that would protect them. And that’s basically what the Christians in the United States did. They felt they were under attack, and the strong guy promised to defend them. And he has.”

There are at least three astonishing elements of this answer. The first is Sessions’s favorable comparison of the U.S. to Egypt, even as he acknowledges that Egypt is not a democracy; it is, in fact, governed by a military junta that arose through a coup, and which now oversees a flawed regime. The second is the analogy between Christians in the U.S. and Egypt. Egypt’s Christians, most of whom are Copts, are a small and severely embattled minority, subject to political repression, terrorist attacks, and pogroms. Many American evangelicals believe they are also subjects of widespread discrimination. In 2017, the Public Religion Research Institute found that white evangelicals believe they face more discrimination than Muslims in America. The analogy to beleaguered Egyptian Christians underscores both the depth and the absurdity of that feeling.

Finally, the parallel between el-Sisi and Trump reveals a great deal about how Sessions sees Trump. El-Sisi is a Muslim, not a Christian, but has made some efforts to improve protections for the Christian minority since seizing power from an Islamist government. In this analogy, Trump’s religious views are neither relevant nor even the same as those of Christians; he’s useful as a protector, not as an exemplar.

This is not a single, ill-thought-out parallel. Sessions also praised the bloody Syrian dictator al-Assad, a member of the Alawite sect, for protecting Christians and fighting Muslim terror groups. “You know who we want to run Syria? Assad,” he said. “We are hoping that somehow he can get back in control. And there was no terrorism, no ISIS when he ran the place. He’d kill ’em. And if you didn’t cross him, he wouldn’t kill you. And he protected Christians; they were a part of his coalition.”

(As Plott notes, ISIS arose in Syria under Assad’s watch, but who’s keeping track?)
Read: White Evangelicals believe they face more discrimination than Muslims:
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/03/perceptions-discrimination-muslims-christians/519135/

The yearning for order, and for ordering minorities, in particular, courses throughout Sessions’s worldview. When Sessions, as the attorney general, came under fire for separating migrant families at the U.S. border (including taking criticism from many evangelical leaders), he cited St. Paul’s admonition to “obey the laws of the government because God has ordained them for the purpose of order.” (“I was right about that,” he told Plott. “I wish I’d fought it.”) The fact that such a person could serve as the country’s top lawman speaks to how hard it is to take seriously the sense of discrimination among evangelicals. Sessions also praised Trump’s disastrous photo op at St. John’s Episcopal Church in Washington, D.C., as a necessary step against “socialist leftists” and mocked those who questioned Trump’s motives.

Sessions’s view is telling because he is not merely a supporter of the president’s, but one of his clearest ideological antecedents, the first U.S. senator to endorse Trump’s 2016 presidential run, then his first attorney general. Trump eventually expelled Sessions from the administration because of tension over Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into Russian interference, and the president’s endorsement of Tommy Tuberville, the former Auburn University head football coach, is a top reason why Sessions may lose a July 14 runoff. But Plott notes that Sessions’s fervor for the project of Trumpism has not cooled: “Even in his exile, perhaps no one is as eager as Sessions to hold forth on why he likes Trump, why his party—why the country—so desperately needs him.”

A huge majority of evangelical Christians has lined up behind Trump, as have white Catholics. (A May poll by PRRI showed the president’s standing slipping among both groups.) Trump has repaid them with devoted attention to issues such as abortion, school vouchers, and religious liberty. There’s little outward sign of any kind of religious devotion on Trump’s part, and seldom any indication of inward reflection on any topic by the president, but leading Christian figures, writers, and ministers, including Jerry Falwell Jr., Eric Metaxas, and Franklin Graham, have defended his Christian bona fides and insisted that he is not only an ally of evangelical Christian causes but also a true believer.

Peter Wehner: There is no Christian case for Trump

A few prominent, though isolated, evangelicals have been highly critical of the president. They argue that Trump shows none of the signs of Christian devotion or morality, and that Christians who align themselves with the president are making a crude bargain with a flawed man in an attempt to obtain safe harbor. Michael Gerson, in a 2018 Atlantic cover story, criticized the habit of “evangelicals regarding themselves, hysterically and with self-pity, as an oppressed minority that requires a strongman to rescue it. This is how Trump has invited evangelicals to view themselves. He has treated evangelicalism as an interest group in need of protection and preferences.”

Sessions, in effect, is saying he agrees with Gerson’s description—but thinks that what he identifies is a perfectly fine arrangement. “There’s a difference between freedom and democracy,” he told Plott. “You need to understand this.”

The yearning for a strongman doesn’t necessarily end with religious issues. Sessions also mused on his childhood in Camden, Alabama. “It was an idyllic period,” he said. “Sort of a window. End of an age.” His memory is that things were “ordered and disciplined,” Plott writes.


Of course, the idyll depends on who is living it, as does the judgment of whether the dying age was good or bad; some people get to enjoy order, while others bear the brunt of discipline. Sessions’s childhood came during the waning days of Jim Crow, in a deeply segregated community where African Americans were starving, disenfranchised, and physically threatened. For this minority, a group that experienced genuine, rather than merely perceived, discrimination, there was neither freedom nor democracy.

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https://www.npr.org:80/2020/06/23/881992622/jesus-and-john-wayne-explores-christian-manhood-and-how-belief-can-bolster-trump?refresh=true
AUTHOR INTERVIEWS
'Jesus And John Wayne' Explores Christian Manhood — And How Belief Can Bolster Trump
June 23, 20205:04 AM ET
Heard on Morning Edition
STEVE INSKEEP

What does it mean to be a Christian man?

The scholar Kristin Kobes Du Mez says the answer matters a lot. It influences how millions of Americans shape their lives and their politics. It even affects why so many white evangelicals voted for Donald Trump.

Her book — Jesus and John Wayne: How White Evangelicals Corrupted a Faith and Fractured a Nation — which explores the past and present of Christian manhood, takes its title from a Christian song by the Gaither Vocal Band called "Jesus and John Wayne."

The narrator in the song recalls trying to please both his gentle Christian mother and his tough-guy father. He feels the conflicting demands to be forgiving and combative, gentle and strong.

When researching her book, Kristin Kobes Du Mez — a history professor at Calvin University, which is a Christian college in Michigan — concluded that among many evangelicals, the John Wayne side of the argument has been winning.

"There are millions of copies of books that have been sold within evangelical circles on what does it mean to be a Christian man," she says. "And when I started reading these books, what struck me was there were only a few Bible verses kind of sprinkled here and there. But when they were looking for models of Christian manhood, they really looked to kind of secular heroes or mythical heroes — so warriors or soldiers or cowboys."

"Well, it's the man and the myth, really, with John Wayne. I think mostly his on-screen persona. So he is this rugged man who can bring order through violence, really. So whether he's, you know, on the frontiers of the Wild West or in the Second World War or on the battlefields of Vietnam, he can bring order through violence. And he can defend Christian America, really, and that's what really appeals to many evangelicals, how he becomes this icon — and not just to evangelicals but to secular conservatives as well.

But also, the man himself in his own life, he was really critical to the rise of right-wing conservatism in the 1960s, 1970s. And he would be speaking at events hosted by white evangelicals in Southern California, and he endorsed Ronald Reagan. And so he's very much a part of the political movement, and he's this — becomes this kind of icon of what true American and true Christian masculinity really looks like.

On John Wayne doing terrible things in movies but, often, for the protection of society or a greater good.

It's a very common theme in white evangelical writing on masculinity from the 1960s really to the present — that you need to have very tough, rugged men who can protect women and children, who can protect Christianity and who can protect the American nation. And for the sake of protecting these vulnerable things, these precious things, really, the ends will justify the means.

On beginning the book with an anecdote about Trump

I think that the last four years have been clarifying for many evangelicals, for many observers of evangelicalism. When Donald Trump was elected, white evangelicals were absolutely critical to his victory. And for a lot of observers and for some evangelicals themselves, this seemed contradictory. It seemed like evangelicals had betrayed their values. But if you look at this longer history of evangelical masculinity and militarism, then you see that this wasn't a betrayal. This isn't just hypocrisy that we're seeing; this is consistent with the sort of values that evangelicals have long held to.

On white evangelicals voting for Trump as a John Wayne figure

Not all evangelicals will say that. But there is this strong kind of justification for their vote for Donald Trump in terms of, he is a strongman. He is going to protect Christianity precisely because he is not constrained by traditional Christian virtues.

On whether these evangelicals believe this president is someone who is capable and competent

So there's a bit of wavering right now in the margins. And I think that people are unsettled in light of the pandemic. And at the same time, I think it's also important to realize that many evangelicals aren't necessarily listening to the same news reports as other Americans are. And so their news is being filtered in particular ways through Christian radio, also, you know, through Fox News and talk radio.

And so I think that this acknowledgment of incompetence isn't all that pronounced. And at the same time, this model of rugged and even reckless masculinity means that a lot of that kind of incompetence can actually be forgiven — right? — because you need aggressiveness to be a good leader and God gave men testosterone precisely for this reason. And, yeah, there are going to be certain side effects.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/07/nyregion/mary-trump-book.html
The Inside Story of Why Mary Trump Wrote a Tell-All Book
7 days ago - Ms. Trump, a clinical psychologist, calls her grandfather — the president's father, Fred Trump Sr. — a “sociopath” who damaged his children. His ...
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/07/us/politics/donald-trump-mary-book.html
In New Book, Trump's Niece Describes Him as Still a Child ...
7 days ago - The release of Mary L. Trump's “Too Much and Never Enough” has ... father and who developed defenses of anger and distrust to mask his own ...

Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 14, 2020, 08:15:13 PM
1 of the 20,000 lies of the POTUS: he claims to have brought America the greatest economy in our history.

Let’s bury this (ex)urban legend once and for all, shall we? The numbers don’t lie, and they’re very consistent.

First, let’s talk about the market. Trump’s stock market record isn’t great. Charitably, it’s mediocre. By the standards of actual professional investors, it’s terrible. It certainly shows no sign of the attention the president lavishes on it, since this winter he initially diagnosed coronavirus as a threat to the Standard & Poor’s 500 index rather than the 137,000 Americans it has now killed.

Trump has had two years of solid gains (2017 and 2019), one year of losses (2018), and this year, where the S&P is little changed from 2019’s end. For 2017, he deserves little credit because he hadn’t made any policy yet. In 2018, a rally induced by his late-2017 tax cut petered out when Trump began threatening trade wars, spurring a 20 percent drop from October to Christmas Eve. This year saw a 27 percent drop between February and April Fool’s Day, still not completely recovered.

Together, the S&P has a compound annual growth rate (or CAGR) of about 10 percent since Trump’s inauguration — less than 4 percent since September 2018. For a comparable period in his first term, Barack Obama’s CAGR was 24 percent — while Biden was vice president. Bill Clinton’s two-term record was 15 percent yearly. Plus, Trump has delivered 20 percent declines in the S&P twice in the last 21 months.

Hilariously, the best way to make money under Trump is betting his policies won’t work. His ideas were supposed to help energy stocks, Ford and General Motors, and banks. Energy has tanked, GM and Ford have lost half their value (though GM has recovered some), and bank stocks haven’t moved in two years. Even defense stocks have trailed the market. Meanwhile, Amazon.com (led by bitter enemy Jeff Bezos) has nearly quadrupled.

So, Trump delivers lots of risks and mediocre rewards.

His wives could tell you that.

“The reason I put less weight on the [public] surveys is the relentlessness of the false claims of the ‘greatest economy ever,’” said hedge-fund manager Mark Dow, a former US Treasury Department official. “The repetition works.”

Next, let’s take a look at jobs.

According to the Labor Department, America gained 6.4 million private-sector jobs between Trump’s inauguration and the peak in March — and has lost 13.2 million since, even with big gains in May and June. Other than George W Bush, no president since Herbert Hoover presided over a net job loss.

Trump’s record was weak before this year, too. That erstwhile 6.4 million job gain compares to nearly 10 million in Obama’s (and Biden’s) second term, or 22 million in Clinton’s two.

Bottom line: Obama left behind 4.7 percent unemployment. The jobless rate kept falling, more slowly under Trump, then zoomed to 16 percent in April. It’s now 11.1 percent. Whatever happens by the election won’t be an improvement.

So what about growth?

Trump said he’d take an economy growing 1 percent a year (it actually averaged 2.4 percent in Obama’s last three years), and make it grow 4 percent. Sometimes he’d even promise 6 percent.

Eh, no. His best year was 2018, when 2.9 percent growth in gross domestic product matched 2014’s. His other two years have been 2.4 percent and 2.3 percent. Meh. Even that was the calm before the storm.

This year, the Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta projects that GDP will shrink at an annual rate of 30 percent in the second quarter, after a 5 percent first-quarter drop. It may bounce back in the third quarter — everyone has expected that, until the renewed spike in Covid — but scraping back toward zero growth is no recommendation.

When a bad leader puts stocks (and jobs) under the gun, Wall Street calls that “political risk,’’ and Trump is political risk walking. He vacillates on policy, and ends up choosing unwisely. He believes fairytales about trade, public health, taxes and immigration. He talks too much, and too loosely. And he cannot think ahead.

There’s no guarantee your 401(k) will do better if Biden wins. But at least the main threat to our stock market with him at the helm won’t be the fragile ego of a leader who embodies the opposite of “large and in charge.”
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 14, 2020, 08:42:15 PM
Does leadership matter? Does vision matter? You decide.

1963, JFK to Khrushchev on nuclear weapon testing:

“We all inhabit this small planet”
“We all breathe the same air”
“We all cherish our children’s futures”
“And....we are all mortal”

2017, Trump to Kim Jong-un

“My red button is bigger than your red button”

YOU decide.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 14, 2020, 09:30:59 PM

   That spot on the front of your pants tells the tale. Come Nov 3, that spot will be in the rear just like 4 years previous.
   Let's see how the SURVEYS do tonight in Alabama. Sessions by 12?
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 14, 2020, 09:49:24 PM
   That spot on the front of your pants tells the tale. Come Nov 3, that spot will be in the rear just like 4 years previous.
   Let's see how the SURVEYS do tonight in Alabama. Sessions by 12?

And yet you once again ignore the FACTS of the posting. As usual. It’s what you Trump lunatics do. IGNORE facts. 135,000 dead Americans and counting is a FACT. Deal with that.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Tom Scully on July 14, 2020, 09:58:54 PM
   That spot on the front of your pants tells the tale. Come Nov 3, that spot will be in the rear just like 4 years previous.
   Let's see how the SURVEYS do tonight in Alabama. Sessions by 12?

Seek help, at your community hospital! Do we have to beg you to look after your own health issues, likely untreated since your daze @ Covina?

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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/07/nyregion/mary-trump-book.html
The Inside Story of Why Mary Trump Wrote a Tell-All Book
7 days ago - Ms. Trump, a clinical psychologist, calls her grandfather — the president's father, Fred Trump Sr. — a “sociopath” who damaged his children. His ...

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Jeff Sessions Explains Why Christians Support Trump
The former attorney general compared the president to a Middle Eastern strongman.

JUNE 30, 2020
David A. Graham
Staff writer at The Atlantic
.....
Sessions, in effect, is saying he agrees with Gerson’s description—but thinks that what he identifies is a perfectly fine arrangement. “There’s a difference between freedom and democracy,” he told Plott. “You need to understand this.”

The yearning for a strongman doesn’t necessarily end with religious issues. Sessions also mused on his childhood in Camden, Alabama. “It was an idyllic period,” he said. “Sort of a window. End of an age.” His memory is that things were “ordered and disciplined,” Plott writes.....


...

....Or, post some links to facts supporting your posted opinion.... merely your feelings if you refuse to support your posted opinions.
Right now, your feelings seem to be hurt, .....
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Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 14, 2020, 10:08:47 PM
  The posting here continues mirroring something outta "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest".  Quoting people Nobody every heard of along with these squiggly Red lines. Most of you guys are Twitter worthy with the never ending lunacy that drives that joint.
  That Head Honcho Chickadee finally woke up over at the NY Times. People of All political persuasions are coming to realize the Fake News Media is just that. FAKE!
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 14, 2020, 10:17:07 PM
Propagandist rhetoric and once AGAIN ignoring FACTS. Is the media wrong about 135,000 dead Americans? Simple question, even for you. Yes or no will suffice.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 14, 2020, 10:21:12 PM
WH and Fox going after Fauci as they did Mueller. It won’t work this time.

Trump has a strategy for discrediting Dr Fauci. And everyone in DC knows what will happen next
Andrew Feinberg

Five months into the global Covid-19 pandemic, and faced with a new spike in cases and deaths in states whose Republican governors heeded his demands to open their economies regardless of the risk to the public, the Trump White House is now taking aim at Dr Anthony Fauci, the country’s foremost infectious disease expert.

Fauci is a singular figure in his field who began his rise to prominence during the Reagan administration, and who has since served under multiple presidents from both political parties.

While he has been a prominent spokesperson for the government’s public health efforts since the emergence of HIV in the 1980s, Fauci has risen to an unprecedented measure of celebrity during Trump’s presidency, in part because he, too, is perceived as a non-partisan truth-teller with unshakable efforts.

His face is on socks, face masks, and even an aptly-named “Fauc on the Couch” throw pillow. And of course, there is a Fauci bobblehead for sale as well.

According to a White House official, Fauci’s newfound celebrity has long irked Trump, who prefers to be the center of attention. Further infuriating the president, the official said, is Fauci’s status as a career civil servant. Trump has long viewed career government employees with suspicion and has frequently promoted baseless conspiracy theories suggesting there is a “deep state” made up of career officials who have been working to bring down his presidency since the beginning.

In many ways, Fauci can be compared to another long-time public servant and affable septuagenarian who provoked Trump’s ire: Robert Mueller, the man tasked with conducting that infamous report about Russian involvement in the 2016 election. But unlike Mueller, who did not speak publicly during the course of his investigation, Fauci has made and continues to make frequent media appearances, though the White House has blocked him from honoring requests to appear on prominent cable news and broadcast programs.

Several sources close to the president say Fauci has inflamed Trump’s anger by contradicting his claims about the alleged success the US has had in fighting the Covid-19 pandemic under his leadership.

And by the end of last week, it all boiled over. Over the weekend, White House officials began circulating a bullet-pointed list to reporters, detailing prior statements Fauci has made about the pandemic which had been proven incorrect by subsequent developments. Fauci had once doubted the need for wearing face masks during the pandemic, for instance — although the list failed to mention that he then publicly revised his strategy when more information about the virus came to light.

The list, which was nearly identical to the opposition research talking points that are frequently circulated by political campaigns, marked a break between the White House and the federal government’s most celebrated scientist.

And one of Trump’s closest confidantes, White House Deputy Chief of Staff for Communications Daniel Scavino, went even further. On Sunday, Scavino posted to his Facebook account a cartoon by alt-right cartoonist Ben Garrison, depicting the veteran physician as an anthropomorphic “Dr Faucet,” through whom cold water is poured onto a drowning economy.


Another prominent Italian-American who has found himself on the receiving end of White House opposition research, ex-White House Communications Director-turned-Trump critic Anthony Scaramucci, said the use of such methods against Fauci was a “completely Orwellian” tactic that was most likely born out of White House aides’ need to please their boss.

“Trump has willing sycophants who will kowtow to him… but there’s no way to please him,” he said.

Scaramucci said the White House’s attempt to target Fauci is “the exact same playbook” that was used against Mueller, but warned that it would fail because while the former FBI director’s role was one that existed on the playing field of rough-and-tumble Washington politics, Fauci is “not a politician in any way or form”.

“Going after Anthony Fauci… a truth-teller in the scientific community, is like punching people in the stands,” he said.

But Tim Miller, who served as Jeb(!) Bush’s communications director during the 2016 election, expressed doubts that the Trump administration’s push to discredit Fauci was deployed as part of a coherent plan, regardless of any similarities to Trumpworld’s anti-Mueller campaign.

“I think it’s more likely that they [White House press aides] are trying to keep the boss happy,” he explained.

“Trump is a child who is jealous that Fauci is more popular than him, so rather than trying to be an adult and try to figure out how to work together to get to the best result of the country, he's going to only playbook that he knows, which is attack him and try to muddy the waters to make him look bad,” Miller continued.

“But this is not about persuading any new supporters. It's not like there's this anti-Fauci sentiment out there that Trump is trying to tap into. He's embarrassed that he handled this so poorly, he's embarrassed that he's getting bad reviews for us, and he's embarrassed that Fauci is being praised, so he wants to bring Fauci down a peg,” he said.

Another ex-GOP communications consultant, Lincoln Project senior adviser Kurt Bardella, posited that the life-or-death stakes of the global coronavirus crisis make it a waste of time for the White House to target Fauci if the goal is to help the president’s public image.

“You could call the Mueller investigation fake news… and all the things that we heard Trump and his ilk repeat. You can't say that about the coronavirus when everyday people are seeing it in their own communities, their families, their social circles, and their emergency rooms,” said Bardella, a former spokesperson for Republicans on the House Oversight Committee.

“Fauci is first and foremost a doctor and a medical professional, and that is how the American people view him,” he continued. “But they’re applying the Mueller playbook to Fauci because this White House and Trump don't have any other tools in their toolbox. They are literally a one hit wonder, they just go back and play the same thing over and over again, and we're seeing — not just with the coronavirus but in other areas — that it's just not working. People aren't buying what he's selling anymore.”

The similarities between Trumpian tactics being used against Fauci and Mueller run deep.

To say that Mueller had a sterling reputation prior to his appointment would be a massive understatement — and the same could easily be said about Fauci. Mueller was also the longest-serving FBI director since the infamous J Edgar Hoover, thanks to the Senate unanimously approving a request by then-President Barack Obama to extend by two years the ten-year term to which he’d been confirmed just over a month before the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks. Fauci, in turn, served under multiple presidents and both parties and has been treated with respect and reverence by each one until this political moment.

Mueller and his ongoing investigation occupied a permanent spot in the public consciousness, kept there by a steady string of indictments, non-stop news coverage, and the hopes and dreams of the so-called “resistance” to Trump’s presidency. The taciturn Vietnam veteran, whose office did not leak and who did not speak to the media, nevertheless became somewhat of a pop culture figure. There were Mueller action figures, t-shirts, and even a bizarre children’s book which depicted him as a well-muscled, shirtless figure akin to a Chippendale dancer. Easy comparisons can be drawn with the “Fauc on the Couch” merchandise around today.

Unable to stop the negative headlines or the media speculation about what was happening behind Mueller’s leak-proof doors, the White House and many of Trump’s outside allies instead began hitting back against the investigation in 2018 with a concerted campaign to personally discredit the man who had come to his position with almost universal acclaim. Trumpian Republicans made a huge effort to turn the tight-lipped, respectful Mueller into a partisan figure in the public’s eyes.

And thanks to the former Special Counsel’s self-imposed silence during the entirety of his investigation, Trumpworld had the playing field all to itself. Aided by leaks about his personnel from House Republicans, and a steady stream of often-unhinged television appearances by Trump attorney Rudy Giuliani, it was an effort that was at least somewhat successful.

According to Morning Consult polling, only 27 percent of Republicans had an unfavorable impression of Mueller in July 2017, two months after his appointment as Special Counsel. Eleven months after that in June 2018, over half of Republicans — 53 percent — viewed him unfavorably.

Two years later, Donald Trump is faced with another crisis, and with another veteran public servant whose presence in the popular consciousness underscores the threat it poses to his presidency. The White House’s reaction has been the same. And anyone who works alongside Trump in the Oval Office is now terrified enough of that strategy that they’ll do the president’s bidding, whether or not it makes any sense.


Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Tom Scully on July 14, 2020, 10:21:38 PM
  The posting here continues mirroring something outta "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest".  Quoting people Nobody every heard of along with these squiggly Red lines. Most of you guys are Twitter worthy with the never ending lunacy that drives that joint.
  That Head Honcho Chickadee finally woke up over at the NY Times. People of All political persuasions are coming to realize the Fake News Media is just that. FAKE!

Head over heals attracted to a 74 year old sociopath with a penchant for lying constantly over life or death issues and the cruelest tyrant wannabee to "grace" American politics since George Wallace in '68, and you presume to lecture the rest of us? Really?

What happened to this Royell Storing? back then, you weren't even reacting to compulsive lying and unprecedented corrupt governance, only to age!
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https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/72396998/
December 18, 1974
Progress Bulletin from Pomona, California · Page 16

....Royell Storing,
a MSAC student from "The Bridge", wanted to bring the voice of youth to the board, contending that the board was “too old.”

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/07/13/president-trump-has-made-more-than-20000-false-or-misleading-claims/
Fact Checker - Analysis
President Trump has made more than 20,000 false or misleading claims
By Glenn Kessler,  Salvador Rizzo and Meg Kelly
July 13, 2020 at 3:00 a.m. EDT

It took President Trump 827 days to top 10,000 false and misleading claims in The Fact Checker’s database, an average of 12 claims a day.

But on July 9, just 440 days later, the president crossed the 20,000 mark — an average of 23 claims a day over a 14-month period, which included the events leading up to Trump’s impeachment trial, the worldwide pandemic that crashed the economy and the eruption of protests over the death of George Floyd in police custody....

...Just as when Trump crossed the 10,000 threshold, an interview with Sean Hannity of Fox News helped Trump breach the 20,000 mark. Trump racked up 62 claims on July 9, about half of which came during the Hannity interview: Trump’s statements cover a substantial range of his bogus attacks, conspiracy theories, boasts and inaccurate information:

.....
...The coronavirus pandemic has spawned a whole new genre of Trump’s falsehoods. The category in just a few months has reached nearly 1,000 claims, more than his tax claims combined. Trump’s false or misleading claims about the impeachment investigation — and the events surrounding it — contributed almost 1,200 entries to the database.....
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 14, 2020, 10:31:55 PM
Head over heals attracted to a 74 year old sociopath with a penchant for lying constantly over life or death issues and the cruelest tyrant wannabee to "grace" American politics since George Wallace in '68, and you presume to lecture the rest of us? Really?

What happened to this Royell Storing? back then, you weren't even reacting to compulsive lying and unprecedented corrupt governance, only to age!

Good posting Tom!
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Thomas Graves on July 15, 2020, 02:18:36 AM
Propagandist rhetoric and once AGAIN ignoring FACTS. Is the media wrong about 135,000 dead Americans? Simple question, even for you. Yes or no will suffice.

Let's not forget about Roger Stone, and how he (and Harley Schlanger of the fascistic pro-Russia Lyndon LaRouche organization) helped Vladimir Putin install his favorite compromised "useful idiot" in the White House, shall we?

(For the Stone-Schlanger-Putin-Assange connection, google simultaneously the names "Stone Schlanger Caddy".)

https://markinreport.com/2020/07/13/stones-commuted-sentence-tells-you-trump-is-guilty/?fbclid=IwAR3azNIEsIUELoZfzWrtFqRYi9jNFF1OOMpgp6uzqrWpc5enauj0pC2GWlw

--  MWT  ;)
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 15, 2020, 02:29:50 AM

  You guys Never will simply admit that running Hillary was a Boner. Same goes with running "Fuzzy" Biden. I watched Trump tie Fuzzy to China today. THIS + Hunter/$$$ is going to be a Biden achilles heel. Trump will rail about China unleashing Corona on the U.S. + VP Biden already being in China's Back Pocket/$$$.  Toast!
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 15, 2020, 02:31:21 AM
Unhinged lunatic Donald Trump held a hate rally disguised as press conference in the Rose Garden jumping all over the place as his cognitive decline was on full display. Twitter is trending with several hashtags that are negative against this incompetent disaster. MSNBC didn't even show this lie filled debacle. 25th Amendment needs to be put in place. He knows he is losing badly which makes him even more dangerous.   
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 15, 2020, 02:36:01 AM
  Here we go with the Twitter  BS: again. The majority of those airheads/potheads do Not Vote. They make all kinds of Noise, and then stay home come election day. Their track record has been established. This is why You guys continue Losing Elections. Why do you think they call it a "HASHtag"? Please continue relying on what you see coming outta Twitter.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 15, 2020, 02:43:00 AM
You guys Never will simply admit that running Hillary was a Boner. Same goes with running "Fuzzy" Biden. I watched Trump tie Fuzzy to China today. THIS + Hunter/$$$ is going to be a Biden achilles heel. Trump will rail about China unleashing Corona on the U.S. + VP Biden already being in China's Back Pocket/$$$.  Toast

Royell can only parrot the same bogus right wing media talking points repeated by the talking heads.

Donald Trump is tens of millions of dollars in debt to China. Ivanka got her trademarks from China with no problem. Donald Trump refused to get tough on China because he thought he was going to get a favorable trade deal. He is owned by China and everybody knows it.

Donald Trump can rail about China all he wants. He isn't going to get one vote by doing it.

The overwhelming majority of Americans want Donald Trump gone. Right wingers can't seem to understand that. All of Donald Trump's attacks on Biden has fallen on deaf ears.

Donald Trump refused to save Americans from COVID-19. He called it a hoax and still lies about it. His Tulsa rally was a disaster. Nobody showed up and the ones who did are now infected. Now he wants to shove kids in school to get sick and spread the virus at home.

What we saw today was a desperate man spiraling out of control. The more he rages, the more voters he loses.

Biden is up by 5 in Texas and the battleground states are becoming safe Democrat states.

Let the lunatic rail. The more he screams the better it is for Biden.             

Donald Trump has been toast for a long time.
         
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 15, 2020, 02:50:21 AM
  Here we go with the Twitter  BS: again. The majority of those airheads/potheads do Not Vote. They make all kinds of Noise, and then stay home come election day. Their track record has been established. This is why You guys continue Losing Elections. Why do you think they call it a "HASHtag"? Please continue relying on what you see coming outta Twitter.

 :D :D

Everybody is going to vote this lunatic out. COVID 19 is a disaster. Hospitals are at full capacity and the economy is sliding again. The reason COVID19 is exploding is because Donald Trump forced states to open early because he thought he could boost the economy enough to win. That has failed. People are outraged that things are getting worse after 4 months.

Royell thinks people are going to line up around the block to vote for Donald Trump who make them, their families, their friends sick through purposeful neglect. That is pure ignorance right there.

There is no reason for people to vote for this mentally and physically incompetent disaster. He destroyed America and the overwhelming majority of Americans know it.           
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Peter Goth on July 15, 2020, 03:00:36 AM
@Rick Plant

a while back u posted a list of Trumpy's  felons
it was a list of people and positions
it was on the old thread - can u post that again?
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 15, 2020, 03:05:10 AM
  The FACT a lot of you Never Trumpers also hang at Twitter explains a Lot.  For YOU to Volunteer such Info explains You Guys have a political disconnect. What's next? A SURVEY conducted among those gathered around the Water Cooler? Too, Too, Funny!
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 15, 2020, 04:40:53 AM
@Rick Plant

a while back u posted a list of Trumpy's  felons
it was a list of people and positions
it was on the old thread - can u post that again?

Hi Peter,

Yeah, I'll have to find it but I will post it again in the thread.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 15, 2020, 04:45:13 AM
The FACT a lot of you Never Trumpers also hang at Twitter explains a Lot.  For YOU to Volunteer such Info explains You Guys have a political disconnect. What's next? A SURVEY conducted among those gathered around the Water Cooler? Too, Too, Funny!

Royell likes to knock Twitter which is his orange messiah's favorite platform to spread bogus disinformation. Same guy who believes "followers" equates to votes.

Donald Trump is already down 70,000 votes in Pennsylvania as Republicans made damn sure during a deadly pandemic to vote against him for other Republican candidates. That is a real poll number and Donald Trump is losing badly.     
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 15, 2020, 04:59:45 AM
Dementia and drugged up

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Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 15, 2020, 06:01:34 AM
As I continue to say, "Judge a pitcher by the Reaction of the hitter". That close to 8 Mill Jobs created in Only 2 Months has the Propaganda Machines and their PARROTS up and operating in Hyper Drive. Yeah, we continue hearing All about the SURVEYS and Trump being behind by 15 points, AND then in the face of that we see the PANIC REACTIONS like the above. My, My, My! Just LOOK at the Reaction of that shaking in his cleats hitter.

Royell, you're parroting old propaganda. 1.3 million people just lost their jobs because of Donald Trump. 

Layoffs: 1.3M workers file for unemployment as COVID-19 spikes and businesses close again
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2020/07/09/coronavirus-1-3-m-file-unemployment-benefits-amid-covid-19/5397132002/
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Thomas Graves on July 15, 2020, 06:51:23 AM
Royell, you're parroting old propaganda. 1.3 million people just lost their jobs because of Donald Trump. 

Layoffs: 1.3M workers file for unemployment as COVID-19 spikes and businesses close again
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2020/07/09/coronavirus-1-3-m-file-unemployment-benefits-amid-covid-19/5397132002/

They all had Eggs Benedict and got a bad case of diarrhea from the rotten eggs?

--  MWT  ;)
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 15, 2020, 06:59:11 AM
The walls keep crumbling down. It’s only getting worse.

The Trump supporters who changed their mind: 'I'd rather vote for a tuna fish sandwich'

The anti-Trumpers are at it again – only this time, they’re Republicans.

Kevin, a lifelong Republican voter and pastor from Arizona, says he voted for Trump in 2016 “with high hopes for the future”. He knew that Trump didn’t have the same political experience as the other contenders, but he was optimistic he could grow into his new role. “I’ve seen how he has tried to divide our country and that is not something I want, nor what our country should have … This man is an absolute danger to our country,” he now says.

Kevin’s experience – of voting for Trump and then quickly realizing he’d made a mistake – is one of many being used by Republican Voters Against Trump (RVAT), which wants to boot Trump out of office in 2020. The group is seeking testimony from former Trump voters through its website, which displays the best quotes so far with pride. (“I’d vote for a tuna fish sandwich before I vote for Donald Trump again,” reads one.)

Sarah Longwell, a Republican consultant who co-founded RVAT, said they have received hundreds of testimonies in recent months.

The group is funded by millionaire neoconservative pundit Bill Kristol, who was formerly chief of staff to the Vice-President under George HW Bush, but uses testimony from distinctly non-political voices to make an impact. “One of the reasons they are so compelling is because you can tell how authentic they are, how deeply they feel this – a lot of them want to get something off their chest,” says Longwell. The testimonies are not scripted or paid for, but they are the result of a lot of workshopping.

Jeffrey Farmer, from Massachussetts, certainly fits the bill of a non-polished but frustrated voice: he is immunocompromised and angered by Trump’s response to the pandemic. And he is certainly the voice of a media-trained, focus-group prepped politico – just a person who formerly backed Trump.

“I don’t even know why I’m doing this stupid thing, because this is not what I do. I don’t do social media or anything … But I can’t take this anymore,” he says. Farmer voted for Trump in 2016 because of how much he disliked Hilary Clinton, but describes him as being “Like a Tasmanian devil,” who spends all day complaining on Twitter instead of doing his job. “This guy couldn’t lead his way out of a wet frickin paper bag,” says Farmer.


Longwell, herself a disgruntled Republican, says she initially started looking for answers after Trump won the presidency.

“I have been alarmed by him from the beginning,” she says and so, around 2017, she began to search for answers. “I wanted to know how the party got taken over by Donald Trump,” she says. She ran focus groups with soft Trump voters – who voted for him 2016 but rated him as doing somewhat bad or very bad – and tried to understand how to persuade them against him.

The key thing, she found, was for them to hear from people like themselves.

“One thing we found is the cultural aspect played a big role in [the 2016 election],” she says. “You’d get women who’d say ‘I voted for him and I cried,’ or, ‘I voted for him and then I had to take a shower afterwards. But they were surrounded by people who talk about how all Democrats are socialists or whatever,” she says.

As a lifelong supporters of the Republican party though, does she really want Biden to win? Longwell says that she absolutely, unequivocally does.

“Donald Trump has a negative impact on the future of the Republican party,” says Longwell. “He has sort of hijacked the party and really poisoned the country and has turned it into a nationalist populist party. There’s a section of Republicans who do not find that attractive, and I’m one of them,” she says.

“The best thing for the party longterm is for him to get defeated soundly and for the party to rethink its direction.”
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 15, 2020, 04:52:46 PM

  Where are You guys this A.M. with your SURVEYS showing Sessions leading BIG in Alabama? And once again this Includes the often heralded though Frequently Wrong 538. Please keep those SURVEYS comin'. YOU do Not Know, what YOU do Not Know.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: John Tonkovich on July 15, 2020, 05:29:47 PM
  Where are You guys this A.M. with your SURVEYS showing Sessions leading BIG in Alabama? And once again this Includes the often heralded though Frequently Wrong 538. Please keep those SURVEYS comin'. YOU do Not Know, what YOU do Not Know.
?
Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III.
Let that sink in.
Jefferson Davis. President of the Confederacy.
P.G.T. Beauregard. General in the Confederate Army.

Odd, that you celebrate Sessions' loss today; where were you earlier, when he was Trump's good buddy?
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 15, 2020, 05:40:33 PM
  Where are You guys this A.M. with your SURVEYS showing Sessions leading BIG in Alabama? And once again this Includes the often heralded though Frequently Wrong 538. Please keep those SURVEYS comin'. YOU do Not Know, what YOU do Not Know.

You this ignorant in real life? Remarkable. Sessions? Who cares. Here’s what the Trump friendly Rasmussen poll is saying. Stop cleaning those GOP toilets for a moment and read it, or well, have somebody read it to you.

Rasmussen tends to be one of the more Trump-friendly pollsters so when they deliver a warning shot the Administration, Republicans should pay attention. That is the case with a new poll released today that helped to explain why Trump’s attacks on Joe Biden are not taking gaining ground.

The new Rasmussen poll found that 44 percent of voters are likely to vote for President Trump while 51 percent say that they plan to vote against him. Remember that, at seven points down, this is one of the better polls for Trump. The Real Clear Politics average currently gives Biden an 8.7-point advantage with many polls showing the Democratic challenger with a double-digit lead. Trump has not led in a poll since February and there has not been a tie since April.

When the Biden votes are considered more closely, 63 percent said that there vote was more against Trump than for another candidate. Only 32 percent said that their vote was intended to be for the challenger. This is good news for Democrats and presents a challenge for Republicans.


While Joe Biden was the overwhelming choice of Democratic primary voters, polling shows that many voters have reservations about him. Last week, another Rasmussen poll found that 38 percent of voters think Biden has dementia. That includes 20 percent of Democrats.

Yet, the astounding truth is that a candidate who is widely believed to be suffering from dementia is holding an average nine-point lead over the incumbent president. The two polls can be explained by the intense dislike for President Trump from a majority of voters. Even Rasmussen’s Trump approval index shows the president 10 points underwater (which is better than the 14.8-point deficit in the Real Clear Politics average).

Team Biden seems to have made the right choice (or perhaps the pandemic made it for them) in keeping the Biden campaign as a low-key affair. If Joe Biden stays out of sight, he can’t make any (or at least as many) embarrassing gaffes.

Meanwhile, the Democrats just have to bide their time until November as Donald Trump destroys himself and the Republican Party on a daily basis. The Trump Administration faces three simultaneous crises in the pandemic, its associated economic problems, and the racial divide. The president is not handling any of these crises well.

Pew polling gives an edge to Biden on every issue except the economy. Even there, Trump has lost ground and now clings to a bare, two-point majority in the Real Clear Politics average.


The verdict is in: Voters don’t like Trump. Of course, that isn’t really news since he lost the popular vote in 2016 even as he won the election. The news flash is that the more voters see of Donald Trump, the less they seem to like him.

The best-case scenario would be if the Trump campaign could adopt the Democratic tactic of being neither seen nor heard. Unfortunately for the GOP, that is much more difficult to accomplish for a sitting president in a time of crisis than it is for his challenger. In any case, Donald Trump is a man who is as unable to stay out of the limelight as he is to change his behavior.

I wrote back in March, “The good news for Republicans is that the focus has been on Donald Trump. The bad news is that the focus has been on Donald Trump.” That has proven to be true. With the multiple crises keeping President Trump at the forefront of the news, voters are not liking what they see and are voting with their feet as they move to support Biden.

The problem is simple. The solution is not. What are Republicans to do with the most unpopular incumbent of the last half-century, a man who not only threatens to cost the party the White House but control of the Senate as well?

I could point out that the Republican convention has not formally anointed Trump as the party’s standard-bearer yet, but it wouldn’t do any good. Republicans had their chance to dump Trump back in January and didn’t take it. By November, they will probably wish they had.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 15, 2020, 05:44:28 PM
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Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III.
Let that sink in.
Jefferson Davis. President of the Confederacy.
P.G.T. Beauregard. General in the Confederate Army.

Odd, that you celebrate Sessions' loss today; where were you earlier, when he was Trump's good buddy?

   NOT "celebrating" Jeff's loss. I am pointing out, Once Again, these SURVEYS You guys consistently hang your hats on are BOGUS. Their is absolutely Nothing scientific about SURVEYS. Actually POLLING Bellwether Cong District(s) is the Only way to receive Legit Voter Information You can rely on with Confidence. 
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 15, 2020, 05:52:28 PM
   NOT "celebrating" Jeff's loss. I am pointing out, Once Again, these SURVEYS You guys consistently hang your hats on are BOGUS. Their is absolutely Nothing scientific about SURVEYS. Actually POLLING Bellwether Cong District(s) is the Only way to receive Legit Voter Information You can rely on with Confidence.

Here’s the ONLY survey (your word) that counts: 135,000+ dead Americans on Trump’s watch. The buck stops there! Read it and weep, not for the lunatic in the WH but for American families who lost loved ones. Funny, how you never mention Americans who died through his negligence. Says so much about you.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Bill Chapman on July 15, 2020, 08:21:44 PM
  As I continue to say, "Judge a pitcher by the Reaction of the hitter". That close to 8 Mill Jobs created in Only 2 Months has the Propaganda Machines and their PARROTS up and operating in Hyper Drive. Yeah, we continue hearing All about the SURVEYS and Trump being behind by 15 points, AND then in the face of that we see the PANIC REACTIONS like the above. My, My, My! Just LOOK at the Reaction of that shaking in his cleats hitter.

'Judge a pitcher by the Reaction of the hitter'

Trump is a knuckleballer and has no idea where the ball is going
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 15, 2020, 08:34:03 PM
There is strong evidence of Trump’s cognitive decline. His vocabulary range has narrowed. His abstract thinking is limited. His reasoning is shallow. He is unfocused. He has difficulty processing complex information. His decision-making is impaired. His judgment is poor. He often appears listless and apathetic. He repeats simple words and phrases over and over. He cannot shift and adapt. His gait can be abnormal. He had trouble drinking a glass of water with one hand.  Trump’s cognitive decline could be reflective of dementia; such cognitive problems gradually get worse, not better.

This is who Storing attempts to defend with an almost religious zeal. 135,000+ dead Americans? Like Trump, Storing doesn’t care. A despicable, deplorable (wink) human being.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Bill Chapman on July 15, 2020, 09:20:59 PM
There is strong evidence of Trump’s cognitive decline. His vocabulary range has narrowed. His abstract thinking is limited. His reasoning is shallow. He is unfocused. He has difficulty processing complex information. His decision-making is impaired. His judgment is poor. He often appears listless and apathetic. He repeats simple words and phrases over and over. He cannot shift and adapt. His gait can be abnormal. He had trouble drinking a glass of water with one hand.  Trump’s cognitive decline could be reflective of dementia; such cognitive problems gradually get worse, not better.

This is who Storing attempts to defend with an almost religious zeal. 135,000+ dead Americans? Like Trump, Storing doesn’t care. A despicable, deplorable (wink) human being.

The Mighty Casey Trump has struck out
And yet, Royell remains in Mudville, announcing the lineups to an empty stadium
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 15, 2020, 09:35:44 PM
Personal observation:

In the late 1960’s, Donald Trumps father purchased, for consideration a letter from the family doctor stating The Donald had bone spurs and should be exempt from any form of military service. The draft board bought the story and excused Trump from serving at the height of the Vietnam war. President Lyndon Johnson, recognizing the polarizing nature of the war and how it was not only dividing Americans but the Democratic Party itself stepped aside and chose not to run for re-election.

Fast forward to 2020. President Donald Trump is now smack in the middle of his Vietnam. Like Lyndon Johnson, one of his own creation. The COVID-19 pandemic. Not unlike LBJ, he has no way out. When Johnson gave up the presidency in 1968, 27,000 Americans had died in Vietnam. 60,000 would die before wars end. Under Trump’s lack of leadership 135,000 Americans have died with many more coming. As Vietnam was LBJ’s legacy so too will the pandemic be Donald Trump’s. His ego and narcissism will not allow him to step aside. The American people have seen the light and Trump will be discarded come November 3rd. It cannot come soon enough.

Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Thomas Graves on July 15, 2020, 09:44:28 PM
Personal observation:

In the late 1960’s, Donald Trumps father purchased, for consideration a letter from the family doctor stating The Donald had bone spurs and should be exempt from any form of military service. The draft board bought the story and excused Trump from serving at the height of the Vietnam war. President Lyndon Johnson, recognizing the polarizing nature of the war and how it was not only dividing Americans but the Democratic Party itself stepped aside and chose not to run for re-election.

Fast forward to 2020. President Donald Trump is now smack in the middle of his Vietnam. Like Lyndon Johnson, one of his own creation. The COVID-19 pandemic. Not unlike LBJ, he has no way out. When Johnson gave up the presidency in 1968, 27,000 Americans had died in Vietnam. 60,000 would die before wars end. Under Trump’s lack of leadership 135,000 Americans have died with many more coming. As Vietnam was LBJ’s legacy so too will the pandemic be Donald Trump’s. His ego and narcissism will not allow him to step aside. The American people have seen the light and Trump will be discarded come November 3rd. It cannot come soon enough.

That doctor happened to be a tenant of eviction-happy Fred Trump, Sr.

So, maybe there was some "Carrot-And-Stick" motivation behind the doctor's writing a favorable letter for the badminton champion draft-dodger?

-- MWT   Walk:
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 15, 2020, 09:47:35 PM
That doctor happened to be a tenant of eviction-happy Fred Trump, Sr.

So, maybe there was some "Carrot-And-Stick" motivation behind the doctor's writing a favorable letter for the badminton champion draft-dodger?

-- MWT   Walk:

That was the consideration.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 15, 2020, 11:44:14 PM
There is strong evidence of Trump’s cognitive decline. His vocabulary range has narrowed. His abstract thinking is limited. His reasoning is shallow. He is unfocused. He has difficulty processing complex information. His decision-making is impaired. His judgment is poor. He often appears listless and apathetic. He repeats simple words and phrases over and over. He cannot shift and adapt. His gait can be abnormal. He had trouble drinking a glass of water with one hand.  Trump’s cognitive decline could be reflective of dementia; such cognitive problems gradually get worse, not better.

This is who Storing attempts to defend with an almost religious zeal. 135,000+ dead Americans? Like Trump, Storing doesn’t care. A despicable, deplorable (wink) human being.

The figure of a physically ill and mentally ill man in rapid cognitive decline. He belongs in a nursing home. Donald Trump looks like a wax figure standing in his rigid and leaning Frontotemporal dementia stance. He has no idea how to properly wear mask. He is only going to get worse as time goes by.   

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ec7G370UYAAFqrM?format=jpg)
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 15, 2020, 11:47:00 PM

  Yeah. Everybody knows the proper way to wear a mask is to have it Dangling from the Left Ear.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 15, 2020, 11:53:44 PM
Where are You guys this A.M. with your SURVEYS showing Sessions leading BIG in Alabama? And once again this Includes the often heralded though Frequently Wrong 538. Please keep those SURVEYS comin'. YOU do Not Know, what YOU do Not Know.

 :D :D  :D

You don't know anything except for what your right wing media tells you. 

Sessions was always shown by credible pollsters to lose the race. Nice attempt at gaslighting with your bogus propaganda. I'm glad racist Sessions did lose. The latest polling has Doug Jones TIED with Tuberville—46%-46%. Doug has a clear path to victory.

Polls keep getting worse for Donald Trump as COVID-19 ravages America and Donald Trump spirals even more out of control. And Royell thinks Americans are going to be flocking after him when he made their friends and loved ones sick because of purposeful neglect. He's losing his base as well.   

Quinnipiac poll:

Joe Biden 52%
Donald Trump 37%

Trump approval
Approve 36%
Disapprove 60%


Trump's net job approval is his worst since August of 2017.
 
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 15, 2020, 11:58:39 PM
Donald Trump on drugs? Look at those heavy eyelids and dilated pupils.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ec70HcHU8AEG47k?format=jpg)
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 16, 2020, 12:01:13 AM
  Go ahead. Post those "Credible POLLSTERS" that showed Sessions "was always shown" to lose. I'll wait.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 16, 2020, 12:05:34 AM
Way to go Abbott and Donald Trump. This is what happens when you prematurely open before you even meet your Phase 3 requirements for safely opening the state. Donald Trump thought if he opened early, then he could boost the economy enough hoping he could win. He didn't care how many people would die. It is always about him. Now he has a major crisis on his hands and he is still going to lose in a massive landslide. As more deaths pile up in Texas, right wing Republicans can kiss this state goodbye. That also means Trump stooge Cornyn too.     


Texas Readies Morgue Trucks for Virus Death Surge

Bloomberg: “Officials across Texas are rushing to mobilize overflow mortuary space as communities brace for a surge in coronavirus deaths following Fourth of July festivities. Already, July has had a succession of record-setting days in terms of new cases, deaths and the number of people hospitalized with Covid-19 as the pandemic takes hold in the state…”

“U.S. Army medics are being deployed to two counties along the Texas-Mexico border to assist hospitals overrun with new virus cases. And hospitals and local governments are requesting refrigerated trucks and trailers outfitted with racks designed for storing the dead.”

https://politicalwire.com/2020/07/15/texas-readies-morgue-trucks-for-virus-death-surge/
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 16, 2020, 12:07:35 AM
  Still waiting on your providing those "Credible POLLSTERS" that were posting POLLING showing Sessions Losing. Tick, Tick, Tick!
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: John Iacoletti on July 16, 2020, 12:10:25 AM
  Still waiting on your providing those "Credible POLLSTERS" that were posting POLLING showing Sessions Losing. Tick, Tick, Tick!

How about you post the "survey" that had Sessions up by 12?

https://www.aldailynews.com/new-poll-shows-tuberville-leading-sessions-in-final-days-of-race/ (https://www.aldailynews.com/new-poll-shows-tuberville-leading-sessions-in-final-days-of-race/)
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 16, 2020, 12:11:34 AM
Go ahead. Post those "Credible POLLSTERS" that showed Sessions "was always shown" to lose. I'll wait.

Still waiting on your providing those "Credible POLLSTERS" that were posting POLLING showing Sessions Losing. Tick, Tick, Tick!

Your propaganda is a joke. You're a terrible propagandist.  :D :D :D

Sessions crashes into Tuberville, Trump in Alabama runoff
The former football coach has played it safe and relied on Trump's endorsement in the prolonged, 19-week runoff.


07/13/2020 06:22 PM EDT

Tommy Tuberville, the former college football coach, knows how to run out the clock.

Armed with an advantage in the polls, an outsider message and President Donald Trump's full-throated endorsement, Tuberville has spent the past 19 weeks sitting on his lead over Jeff Sessions, as Tuesday's GOP primary runoff for Senate in Alabama finally approaches.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/13/sessions-tuberville-alabama-359995

Sessions was losing for 19 weeks. Again, more gaslighting and bogus propaganda from you. 
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 16, 2020, 12:16:31 AM

  So what is the Source?  Claims, Claims, and More Claims. ALL  BS:
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 16, 2020, 12:26:43 AM
  So what is the Source?  Claims, Claims, and More Claims. ALL  BS:

You were proven wrong again as always.

Here are polls you will like.  Thumb1:


Biden Expands Lead In Another Poll

A new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll finds Joe Biden leading the presidential race nationally by 11 points, 51% to 40%.

Trump’s approval rate dropped to 42% to 56%.

Said pollster Peter Hart: “President Trump has hit the trifecta in the misery market. The three key indicators—job rating, personal feelings, attitudes on re-election—are all deeply submerged underwater. They represent the best measure of the standing and political strength of an incumbent president.”

https://politicalwire.com/2020/07/15/biden-expands-national-lead-in-another-poll/


Biden Widens Lead to 15 Points Nationally

A new Quinnipiac poll finds Joe Biden leading Donald Trump nationally by 15 points, 52% to 37%.

Key finding: Trump’s approval rate is now a dismal 36% to 60% — a 6 point drop in his job approval compared to last month.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 16, 2020, 12:32:30 AM
Your propaganda is a joke. You're a terrible propagandist.  :D :D :D

Sessions crashes into Tuberville, Trump in Alabama runoff
The former football coach has played it safe and relied on Trump's endorsement in the prolonged, 19-week runoff.


07/13/2020 06:22 PM EDT

Tommy Tuberville, the former college football coach, knows how to run out the clock.

Armed with an advantage in the polls, an outsider message and President Donald Trump's full-throated endorsement, Tuberville has spent the past 19 weeks sitting on his lead over Jeff Sessions, as Tuesday's GOP primary runoff for Senate in Alabama finally approaches.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/13/sessions-tuberville-alabama-359995

Sessions was losing for 19 weeks. Again, more gaslighting and bogus propaganda from you.

     There is absolutely NO "Reliable POLLSTERS" cited above. NONE. And You wonder why I seldom respond to your ramblings? When pressed, you proffer Nothing of Substance. You spew  BS:
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: John Iacoletti on July 16, 2020, 12:39:39 AM
Here's how Royell's con works:

- He waits for something notable to happen
- He then either claims that he predicted days or weeks ago that this would happen (even though there is no record of him actually doing that), or he claims that the fake news/fake pollsters/liberals said the opposite would happen (even though he cannot cite an example that any of these sources ever did)
- Declares victory
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 16, 2020, 12:42:35 AM

  I brought all of this up Yesterday A.M. Try to keep up!
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 16, 2020, 12:44:14 AM
There is absolutely NO "Reliable POLLSTERS" cited above. NONE. And You wonder why I seldom respond to your ramblings? When pressed, you proffer Nothing of Substance. You spew  BS:

Gaslighting again. Every poll showed Sessions losing.

Armed with an advantage in the polls, an outsider message and President Donald Trump's full-throated endorsement, Tuberville has spent the past 19 weeks sitting on his lead over Jeff Sessions, as Tuesday's GOP primary runoff for Senate in Alabama finally approaches.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 16, 2020, 12:46:50 AM
  Go ahead. Post "EVERY POLL". You continue digging your own hole. You're like "Fuzzy" Biden and his babbling, "Listen to the radio...............".
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 16, 2020, 12:47:06 AM
Here's how Royell's con works:

- He waits for something notable to happen
- He then either claims that he predicted days or weeks ago that this would happen (even though there is no record of him actually doing that), or he claims that the fake news/fake pollsters/liberals said the opposite would happen (even though he cannot cite an example that any of these sources ever did)
- Declares victory

Go ahead. Post "EVERY POLL". You continue digging your own hole. You're like "Fuzzy" Biden and his babbling, "Listen to the radio...............".

Same con game is right!

Yes, that's what he does. When you prove him wrong he claims it was fake or ignores what you refute him with. Just another Doyle with no credibility.

Royell claimed coronavirus would crest in 2+ weeks. 4 months later it has gotten worse.     
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 16, 2020, 12:48:32 AM

  Yeah, cling to that Life Preserver that Johnny threw you. You are going under for the 4th Time. Blub, Blub, Blub!
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 16, 2020, 12:54:44 AM
There is absolutely NO "Reliable POLLSTERS" cited above. NONE. And You wonder why I seldom respond to your ramblings? When pressed, you proffer Nothing of Substance. You spew  BS:

Yeah, cling to that Life Preserver that Johnny threw you. You are going under for the 4th Time. Blub, Blub, Blub!

That's the GOP sinking everyday  :D

It's so easy refuting you it is getting boring. You are a propagandist spewing nonsense.


New AUM Poll shows Tuberville leading Sessions in senate runoff election

A new poll conducted by Auburn University at Montgomery’s Department of Political Science and Public Administration shows Tommy Tuberville leading Jeff Sessions.

According to the poll , Tuberville enjoys support among 47 percent of Republican voters surveyed while Sessions has 31 percent of voters’ support. With a six-point margin of error, the survey results indicate that Tuberville’s lead is statistically significant.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 16, 2020, 12:55:18 AM
  The only crybabies around here are those on Fuzzy's side. And they whine and whine and whine and whine.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 16, 2020, 12:56:27 AM

  So post the polls. Go Ahead. I double dog dare you.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Colin Crow on July 16, 2020, 01:52:12 AM
Looks like I was wrong. When asked some time back by John T. to estimate the number of USA COVID-19 deaths by the end of July I predicted about 140,000. That figure has been reached two weeks early so the figure will be closer to 150,000 it seems. I did predict 200,000 by the election but as the rate now appears higher than I had thought, due largely to a preemptive opening in certain states, that too is likely now an underestimate.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 16, 2020, 03:17:41 AM
The despair grows louder.

Trump replaces Parscale as campaign manager

President Donald Trump has orchestrated a shakeup of his struggling reelection campaign with less than four months to go, elevating Bill Stepien to campaign manager and demoting Brad Parscale, who had been serving in that role.

Trump posted to Facebook Wednesday evening that Parscale will remain on the campaign as a senior adviser.

The move comes amid falling poll numbers and mounting worries over the president’s political prospects, with Trump himself expressing concern that he’s losing to Joe Biden.

Parscale has been under the microscope in recent weeks, particularly following Trump’s half-capacity rally in Tulsa, Okla. Parscale was blamed internally for the rally after boasting beforehand that over 1 million people had signed up to attend. In private, the president repeatedly criticized Parscale for the episode.

Trump began informing advisers of the shakeup Wednesday before making the announcement official.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Thomas Graves on July 16, 2020, 03:35:59 AM
The despair grows louder.

Trump replaces Parscale as campaign manager

President Donald Trump has orchestrated a shakeup of his struggling reelection campaign with less than four months to go, elevating Bill Stepien to campaign manager and demoting Brad Parscale, who had been serving in that role.

Trump posted to Facebook Wednesday evening that Parscale will remain on the campaign as a senior adviser.

The move comes amid falling poll numbers and mounting worries over the president’s political prospects, with Trump himself expressing concern that he’s losing to Joe Biden.

Parscale has been under the microscope in recent weeks, particularly following Trump’s half-capacity rally in Tulsa, Okla. Parscale was blamed internally for the rally after boasting beforehand that over 1 million people had signed up to attend. In private, the president repeatedly criticized Parscale for the episode.

Trump began informing advisers of the shakeup Wednesday before making the announcement official.

Tick Tock, Tick Tock ...

--  MWT   Walk:
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 16, 2020, 03:49:07 AM
Storing apparently was left out of the,loop! ;)
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 16, 2020, 04:11:35 AM
Storing apparently was left out of the,loop! ;)

Kellyanne must have had Storing working on those "internal poll numbers" :D

 
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 16, 2020, 04:16:41 AM
“I alone can fix it”.

“I’m the chosen one”.

137,000 dead Americans.

American economy wrecked.

Rioting throughout our country.

What’s he fixed?

Is your life better than 4 years ago?

A reality tv flunky who has failed at everything in his life has failed America and killed Americans.

Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Tom Scully on July 16, 2020, 05:06:00 AM
“I alone can fix it”.

“I’m the chosen one”.

137,000 dead Americans.

American economy wrecked.

Rioting throughout our country.

What’s he fixed?

Is your life better than 4 years ago?

A reality tv flunky who has failed at everything in his life has failed America and killed Americans.

Premeditated Cruelty is in vogue, Katie Miller is openly proud she is dead inside, no ability to feel empathy, blames caged children of asylum seeking parents for "not assimilating", Pence sez, "gotta add her to my staff as public liason"! Stephen Miller falls in love with her.
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https://www.businessinsider.com/katie-miller-says-unmoved-by-child-detention-facility-visit-book-2020-7
Katie Miller was unmoved by child detention facility visit: new ...
Jul 7, 2020 - Miller responded: "No, but I believe if you come to America you should assimilate. Why do we need to have 'Little Havana'?" Katie Miller. Vice ...

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https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/transcript-mary-trumps-interview-abc-news-george-stephanopoulos/story?id=71803869
abcnews.go.com › Politics › story
2 hours ago - Trump's niece calls on him to resign Mary Trump speaks exclusively to ABC News about President Trump for ... TRUMP: He had no empathy.

Death gets a new lease, just hours after Mary Trump's uncle spent time with "Killer" Kemp!:
Including at was recently the busiest airport in the U.S.:
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https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/local-mask-mandates-suspended-by-gov-kemps-executive-order

Local mask mandates 'suspended' by Gov. Kemp's executive order
Governor Brian Kemp is overruling local governments that have issued mandatory mask laws in a new executive over issued Wednesday.
FOX 5 Atlanta -1 hour ago

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2020/07/15/in-atlanta-trump-will-tout-looser-environmental-rules-to-jolt-economy-by-speeding-up-road-projects/
In Atlanta, Trump touts looser environmental rules to jolt economy by speeding up road projects
COVID-19 pandemic and GOP fight between Loeffler and Collins provide backdrops for quick Georgia visit.
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Honesty and integrity in the Trump campaign "train wreck"? Fuggetabboutit!
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Stepien
Bill Stepien (born 1978) is a Republican political operative and former White House political director in the Trump administration. Stepien managed both of Chris Christie's gubernatorial campaigns and served as his Deputy Chief of Staff before being fired in 2014 after Christie said he "lost confidence" in Stepien's judgment.[1]

After Donald Trump secured the Republican nomination, Stepien joined the presidential campaign in August 2016 and was later named the White House political director during the Trump presidential transition.

On July 15, 2020, it was announced that Stepien would replace Brad Parscale as the campaign manager for the Donald Trump 2020 presidential campaign [2]

Contents
1   Early career
2   Chris Christie campaign and administration
2.1   Fort Lee lane closure scandal : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Stepien#Fort_Lee_lane_closure_scandal

New Trump 2020 "General" had no empathy when he participated in delaying GW Bridge traffic for hours in a political revenge scam, delaying emergency vehicles and all other inbound traffic from Ft. Lee, NJ to northern Manhattan.

How did you think Comey's replacement at FBI got his job?
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https://www.wnyc.org/story/ethics-question-christies-hiring-fbi-director-nominee-bridgegate-attorney/

Christie's Hiring of FBI Nominee as Bridgegate Attorney .
Jul 24, 2017 - FBI director nominee Christopher Wray's agreement to represent Gov. Chris Christie in Bridgegate came 11 months after he actually started ...

Whaddya think is going to happen between Trump's election loss in November, and January 20, 2021?

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Lee_lane_closure_scandal
Bridgegate,[1][2] is a U.S. political scandal in which a staff member and political appointees of New Jersey Governor Chris Christie colluded to create traffic jams in Fort Lee, New Jersey, by closing lanes at the main toll plaza[3][4] for the upper level of the George Washington Bridge.[5]
.....The problems began on Monday, September 9, 2013, when two of three toll lanes for a local street entrance were closed during morning rush hour. Local officials, emergency services, and the public were not notified of the lane closures, which Fort Lee declared a threat to public safety.[6] The resulting back-ups and gridlock on local streets ended only when the two lanes were reopened on Friday, September 13, 2013, by an order from Port Authority Executive Director and Democrat from New York, Patrick Foye. He said that the "hasty and ill-informed decision" could have endangered lives and violated federal and state laws.[7]

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2f/GWB_Bridgegate_entrance_Sept_2016.jpg/375px-GWB_Bridgegate_entrance_Sept_2016.jpg)
"Bridgegate" entrance, customary three rush-hour toll lanes (20, 22, 24)

First Amendment... for confederate battle flag wavers, but not for BLM peaceful protestors when it's time to use a bible as a campaign prop,  or for authors Mary Trump, Michael Cohen, John Bolton, Omarosa, or a for a duty bound Lt. Colonel Vindman, formerly serving at NSA, or for his uninvolved twin brother.

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https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-army/2020/07/13/as-vindman-retires-army-officers-demand-lawmaker-stops-holding-up-their-promotions/
As Vindman retires, Army officers demand lawmaker stops holding up their promotions
Meghann Myers - 2 Days Ago
...Sen. Tammy Duckworth, D-Ill., has threatened to bar the promotions of more than 1,100 field-grade officers until she gets confirmation from Defense Secretary Mark Esper that his department did not meddle in the promotion chances of Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, a former member of the National Security Council who testified during President Donald Trump’s impeachment proceedings.

“I am writing to you to ask that you to reverse course on using them and their families as hostages in a political dispute between you and the President which does not, and should not, involve them,” Timothy Parlatore, who represents retired Chief Special Warfare Operator Eddie Gallagher, wrote in the letter. “The U.S. military is rightly an apolitical institution and elected officials on both sides of the political aisle must ensure that they are not dragging our military members into the middle of a partisan fight.”....

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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-race-face-mask-school-roger-stone/

Transcript: Trump on masks, reopening schools, race and pardoning Roger Stone
JULY 15, 2020 / 2:36 PM / CBS NEWS
.....You say that's affecting the stock market right now?

Oh, absolutely. The stock market would be much higher, except for the fact that if he got in, the stock market will crash. You will be in a depression —

You will be in a depression like in 1929 if Joe Biden gets in. He's gonna put back all the regulations. He's gonna triple everybody's taxes. You'll be in a depression the likes of which you've never seen before.

President Trump, back in 2015, you said the Confederate battle flag belongs in a museum. Do you still believe that?

All I say is freedom of speech. It's very simple. My attitude is freedom of speech. Very strong views on the Confederate flag. With me, it's freedom of speech. Very simple. Like it, don't like it. It's freedom of speech.

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https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/495713-trump-company-lawyer-warned-michael-cohen-not-to-write-tell-all-book
Trump company lawyer warned Michael Cohen not to write 'tell-all' book:
May 1, 2020 - ... to Michael Cohen asking him to stop writing a tell-all book about his time working as ... Michael Cohen writing tell-all book about Trump: report ... He has saved a lot of them for when the time is right and the time is now right. ... he would be released early from prison due to the novel coronavirus pandemic, ...

Would you be comfortable with your supporters displaying the Confederate battle flag at political events?

You know, it depends on what your definition is. But I am comfortable with freedom of speech. It's very simple.

But you understand why the flag is a painful symbol for many people because it's a reminder of slavery.

Well, people love it and I don't view, I know people that like the Confederate flag and they're not thinking about slavery. I look at NASCAR, you go to NASCAR, you had those flags all over the place. They stopped it. I just think it's freedom of speech, whether it's Confederate flags or Black Lives Matter or anything else you wanna talk about. It's freedom of speech.....

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https://www.stamfordadvocate.com/news/article/Trump-campaign-files-arbitration-action-against-13155122.php
Trump campaign files arbitration action against Omarosa Manigault Newman
John Wagner, The Washington Post Published 5:09 pm EDT, Tuesday, August 14, 2018
....."It's interesting that he's trying to silence me, so what is he trying to hide? What is he afraid of?" she said on MSNBC. "I think he should be afraid of being exposed as the misogynist, the bigot and the racist that he is."

The Washington Post has not seen a nondisclosure agreement signed by Manigault Newman during the campaign, but copies of other agreements signed by aides include broad prohibitions on behavior and appear to be drawn heavily from similar contracts used by the Trump Organization, the president's family firm.
https://twitter.com/joshgerstein/status/1278385403045675008
(http://jfkforum.com/images/TrumpOmarosa.jpg)
Case 1:19-cv-01868-RJL Document 19 Filed 07/01/20 Page 1 of 10 :
https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.208668/gov.uscourts.dcd.208668.19.0.pdf

https://www.npr.org/2020/07/13/890647734/judge-frees-mary-trump-from-gag-order-on-new-family-tell-all
Judge Rules Trump's Niece Free to Discuss New Family Tell-All
A New York judge has lifted a restraining order against Mary Trump, niece of President Trump, that had prevented her from speaking publicly about her new ...NPR 2 days ago

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/13/us/politics/mary-trump-book.html
Mary Trump's Tell-All Cleared by Judge for Publication
A New York judge ruled on Monday that Mary L. Trump, the niece of President Trump, could legally go ahead with the publication of her explosive tell-all memoir ...2 days ago

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https://abcnews.go.com/US/michael-cohen-back-federal-custody-released-home-confinement/story?id=71696130
Michael Cohen, furloughed from prison in May, back in federal custody after he balks at gag order
Michael Cohen is back in federal custody after having been released to home confinement over COVID-19 concerns.
ABC News 6 days ago

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/07/michael-cohen-prison-gag-agreement-book-confinement/
POLITICS JULY 9, 2020
Michael Cohen Was Sent Back to Prison After Refusing to Sign a Gag Agreement
Trump’s former fixer is writing a book. His lawyers suggest that’s why he’s back in jail.
.....Cohen teased his book on Twitter last week after a federal judge issued a ruling that allowed Mary Trump, President Trump’s niece, to proceed with publishing a book harshly critical of the president.....

https://www.justsecurity.org/71370/top-experts-bureau-of-prisons-blocking-michael-cohen-book-about-trump-violates-first-amendment/
(http://jfkforum.com/images/TrumpDojBopCohen1stAmendment.jpg)
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 16, 2020, 02:26:24 PM
President Donald Trump failed to warn Americans about the coronavirus pandemic at the start and has continued to mislead the public, and some legal experts think he should face criminal prosecution.

There’s ample public evidence that Trump knowingly misled the public about the dangers from COVID-19 because he believed that doing so would advance his re-election efforts, and that some Americans died as a result of those lies and other misconduct, argued former attorney Dean Obeidallah in a new Daily Beast column.

“The question that needs to be asked is: Should a president be held criminally responsible for knowingly failing to inform the American public about the risks associated with a deadly virus during a pandemic because he believes, by doing so, it helps his political fortunes?” Obeidallah wrote. “Any answer but ‘yes’ gives a future president a green light to do the same thing as Trump at the expense of the lives of our fellow Americans.”

Obeidallah asked several former federal prosecutors and a Harvard Law professor whether Trump could or should be prosecuted for his misconduct during the pandemic, and they agreed his actions satisfied the three elements of either involuntary manslaughter or negligent homicide — but proving those elements would be nearly impossible.

“Trump had a duty to act as president and violated that by knowingly failing to warn the public about the known threats of the virus,” former federal prosecutor Glenn Kirschner told Obeidallah.

Kirschner, now an MSNBC analyst, argued the president would have known his actions or failures would likely produce death or serious bodily injury, and that his conduct was a substantial factor in causing the death of others, but Harvard Law professor Laurence Tribe agreed to a point.

“Trump is almost certainly morally responsible for tens of thousands of coronavirus deaths that would not have occurred but for his recklessly misleading public pronouncements and his grossly negligent failures to act rationally on the basis of the medical evidence available to him,” Tribe said.

But, Tribe argued, “proving that Trump caused these deaths beyond a reasonable doubt in a criminal trial would be almost impossible.”

Former Watergate prosecutor and current MSNBC legal analyst Jill Wine-Banks told Obeidallah that Trump’s lies were “an impeachable offense,” but probably couldn’t be proven as a crime, and former U.S. attorney and fellow MSNBC legal analyst Joyce Vance agreed.

“I don’t see a sustainable charge,” Vance said. “[But] I’m not per se ruling that out.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 16, 2020, 03:20:36 PM
Another 1.3 million Americans applied for unemployment insurance last week, a number barely changed from the prior week and an indication that unemployment remains painfully high in the US.

Where is Royell to tell us how "great" everything is going with Donald Trump?   
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: John Tonkovich on July 16, 2020, 05:18:37 PM
Looks like I was wrong. When asked some time back by John T. to estimate the number of USA COVID-19 deaths by the end of July I predicted about 140,000. That figure has been reached two weeks early so the figure will be closer to 150,000 it seems. I did predict 200,000 by the election but as the rate now appears higher than I had thought, due largely to a preemptive opening in certain states, that too is likely now an underestimate.
Thank you, Mr. Crow.
1,413 deaths in USA yesterday. 
Meanwhile, back at the ranch - oops- I meant the White House - the latest effort at denial includes bypassing CDC and having HHS receive and report coronavirus numbers, i.e. cases, hospitalizations, deaths. What could  possibly go wrong here?
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 17, 2020, 12:46:03 AM
Under Donald Trump’s reign, America is a country run by a crime family. Trump and his Republicans have no moral authority. They are removing any oversight by firing inspectors general within the federal government, which has allowed Trump and his allies to loot coronavirus relief funds for billions of dollars. Trump and his cronies rage about “law and order” and locking up people who were looting during the George Floyd uprising — when in reality the plutocrats are looting an entire country and have been doing so for decades.

It’s a mafia state. There’s no control. There’s no regulation. The system is full of legalized bribery. The electoral process is corrupt as well. The courts are stacked with right-wing ideologues. The press has been bought off and corporatized. Many of our constitutional rights as Americans have been revoked by judicial fiat, including the right to privacy. Corporate money floods political campaigns in the name of “free speech.” The United States is a failed democracy and a mafia state, the natural result of what happens when capitalism is deregulated.

Trump, Mitch McConnell, the other Republicans and their gangster capitalist allies are telling the public that $1,200 in coronavirus relief money is adequate. But the billionaires and millionaires are the ones who received the majority of the “relief” funds. America’s billionaires are now $500 billion richer because of the coronavirus disaster. The average American is closer to homelessness. Neoliberal capitalism amounts to socialism for the rich and “free markets” for everyone else.

Mitch McConnell and the other elites really have not figured out what is happening in this moment of great crisis and upheaval. What we are seeing now in America is about so much more than people just being sick of the police murdering innocent people. It is a generational and class revolt. Yes, COVID certainly exacerbated it. But all of the kindling was already there. Chronic underemployment, massive consumer and student debt, being priced out of the for-profit health care system and the expansion of militarized police and the prison system.

This movement is multiracial. It is led by people of color, but certainly, there are a lot of young white people out there too, and my sense is that they are no longer buying into being gaslit by the elites anymore.

The empire always strikes back. What will that look like?

We have to acknowledge that the empire is tottering towards its collapse. So what is empire? Empire is the expression of white supremacy beyond our borders. The whole nature of empire is to go into the Middle East — previously into Vietnam, Latin America, the Philippines and elsewhere — and steal natural resources and exploit cheap labor in the name of white supremacy. And of course, we have an American society built on chattel slavery and genocide against indigenous peoples. What empires traditionally do at the end is they engage in what historians call “micro-militarism”.

At the end, as they slip into an irrevocable decline, empires engage in military adventurism in a desperate bid to bring back lost power, lost wealth and lost glory. America has done this in the Middle East. The result is that America has been hollowed out from the inside.

At the end stage, the elites need the tools that the empire perfected on people of color abroad. That is why we see the drones and militarized police and heavy weapons such as armored personnel carriers being used here in America against the country’s own citizens.

White supremacy hurts white folks. There are so many examples of this, from the way that federal and state resources are spent putting Black and brown people in prison in disproportionate numbers to how white racism hurts the overall economy. The police in Buffalo intentionally knocking down that older white man, who lay there bleeding from the head while the police walked over him like he was human garbage, was such a profound metaphor for how racism hurts white people. With the George Floyd protests and people’s uprising, white folks are seeing, again, that what Black and brown folks have been saying about police thuggery is true. Now the police are brutalizing white people.

People of color always, throughout American history, suffer first. They are the first to suffer — and they suffer disproportionately. But de-industrialization has now hit the white working class. The tools of control are now being used against them. Overall, I don’t so much fault the white racists. They are what they are. I fault the white liberals who really did not pay attention to what was happening to primarily poor people of color in urban areas.

Everything that is now enraging white progressives is not new — it goes back decades. But it was never really covered by the mainstream American news media. The liberal elites busied themselves with the boutique activism of “diversity” and “tolerance,” “multiculturalism” and the like. Sure, that is well and good, but not when such approaches are divorced from economic justice.

When you look at these multiracial, intergenerational protests, what do you see?

There has been mass economic disenfranchisement. There is a leadership crisis too among the Democrats and the so-called liberals.

For example, look at what the Congressional Black Caucus is doing. They are repeating the same kind of tired clichés about police reform we have heard for years. Most people participating in the George Floyd protests know that such reforms are useless. Empty symbolism. The mayor of Washington, D.C., Muriel Bowser, paints “Black Lives Matter” in 35-foot-tall letters on a street near the White House. But at the same time, she’s pushing for a $45 million increase in the police budget and the construction of a $500 million new jail. I don’t think people are buying such a performance. I also don’t believe that people are buying Pelosi’s little kente-cloth, “take a knee in solidarity with Black Lives Matter” trick either.

In part, such actions have no credibility because younger white people no longer buy into the policies of the oligarchs which produced all of this extreme social inequality in the first place. People of color have long known this truth. Now younger white people are being forced into a new type of awareness and consciousness. That is a good thing.

I worry that the Democrats are setting themselves up for great failure and a crushing defeat with all this celebration of how Biden is leading Trump in these early polls. Polls are a snapshot in time. They are not predictive of the outcome on Election Day. Hillary Clinton and Mike Dukakis had double digit leads at various times, and they both lost to Republicans.

As embarrassing and awful as Trump is, he serves corporate power just like Joe Biden. The big corporate Democratic Party donors made it clear that if Bernie Sanders became the presidential nominee, they would support Trump. The donor class has created a system where they cannot fail. If it’s Trump or Biden, Goldman Sachs doesn’t lose, ExxonMobil doesn’t lose, Raytheon doesn’t lose, Citibank doesn’t lose. There is no way that they can lose. They have rigged the system so that their interests are always served.

Donald Trump tried to order the United States military to attack the American people several weeks ago because they dared to participate in massive protests against police brutality and social inequality. These protests continue and social movement scholars are now saying that the George Floyd protests may be the largest such mobilizations in American history. Trump tried to order martial law and the senior leaders of the United States military basically told him no. On one hand I am glad the military defied Trump. On the other hand, I am deeply concerned about such power in a democracy being normalized. Either way, America is not a healthy democracy.

The military does not want to be deployed in the streets. At present they are the most respected social and political institution in the country. The military gets even more money than they ask for from the Democrats and the Republicans. The military, quite correctly, saw that it would be disastrous for them to follow Trump’s commands to crack down and enact martial law.

As a practical matter, the military does not need to intervene against the George Floyd protesters and others who have taken to the streets because the American police are so highly militarized. In America there are SWAT teams who don’t look much different than Army Rangers knocking down doors in Afghanistan.

In many ways, the most potent anti-democratic force in the United States is the military. They are untouchable. The U.S. military cannot even be audited. Such power and influence are a classic symptom of the end of an empire. The Praetorian Guard can no longer be controlled by the supposed political leaders.

There have been incidents across the country in which white mobs attack Black Lives Matter protesters, anti-fascists and other Americans of conscience. These thugs are yelling Trump slogans, wearing his regalia and attacking with baseball bats and other weapons. The Trump street enforcers also have guns. Where do we go from here?

The more beleaguered Donald Trump becomes, the more he and the other racists and nativists will incite violence. America right now reminds me of Yugoslavia during the 1990s.

Donald Trump’s supporters are willing to kill and die for him. This is just the beginning of what is going to happen as Election Day approaches. You have been in war zones and countries torn apart by ethnic cleansing and genocide. What is the model for how a people turn on each other?

It begins with economic dysfunction, which is what happened in Yugoslavia. Yugoslavia went into de facto bankruptcy. The huge state factories closed, just like they did here in the United States. There was massive unemployment, the social bonds in the country were ruptured. There were bread lines. People lost everything, including a sense of identity. As a result, they retreated into these mythical narratives about themselves as Serbs, Croats and Muslims. In such a moment shared public discourse is impossible. These other identities and their myths have now superseded verifiable historical fact. That’s what happened in Yugoslavia, and that is very much part of what is happening in the United States.

Then there is the rise of demagogues who demonize a segment of the population and target them as the Other. Then the eliminationist rhetoric and violent rhetoric begins. After four years, people started shooting each other in Yugoslavia. The United States is approaching that point.

We spoke with each other several months ago during the first few weeks of the national coronavirus lockdown and economic collapse. You told me that as horrible as things were then, it was in fact “the good times.” Several months have gone by. Is the United States still experiencing “good times” as compared to what will happen in the future?

Yes, as compared to what is coming. The elites are not responding rationally to the coronavirus pandemic, the economic devastation and the myriad of other problems facing the United States right now. America’s ruling class is doing just what they did in 2008, which is to line their own pockets at the public’s expense and to cast the rest of the country — the working poor and the working class — aside as if they were human refuse. That is all very shortsighted, of course, because of the blowback. The ramifications are catastrophic. One would think that America’s elites would respond in a smarter way, if even for their own self-preservation. If elected president, Joe Biden certainly isn’t going to respond properly.

The George Floyd protests are more accurately described as a generational class revolt. I hope that the protesters and their allies win, because if we do not take power back from this American mafia state then there will be a very ugly type of tyranny in the country.

As Aristotle said, once you have oligarchic rule, there are only two choices. It is revolution or tyranny, and that’s it. I’m not naive enough to tell you the revolution is going to win, but I’m going to tell you that if it doesn’t win then there will be a very ugly corporate tyranny in the United States.

The American elites, the ruling class, has already rewritten all the laws.They already have the prison cells. They’ve already militarized the forces of internal security. They’ve already legitimized the revoking of basic rights like habeas corpus and due process. Americans are already the most watched, monitored, surveilled, photographed population in human history. The forces of tyranny are ready to go.

I’m more optimistic because I see the resistance in the streets, which wasn’t there a few weeks and months ago. That’s where hope lies. It lies in the streets. And I have got to acknowledge these people. They’re mostly young, incredibly courageous, they are out there braving economic misery, arrests, indiscriminate, brutal and often lethal police violence and COVID-19, and they’re fighting against injustice and the elites anyway. They’re all heroes in my book.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Thomas Graves on July 17, 2020, 01:21:40 AM
Under Donald Trump’s reign, America is a country run by a crime family. Trump and his Republicans have no moral authority. They are removing any oversight by firing inspectors general within the federal government, which has allowed Trump and his allies to loot coronavirus relief funds for billions of dollars. Trump and his cronies rage about “law and order” and locking up people who were looting during the George Floyd uprising — when in reality the plutocrats are looting an entire country and have been doing so for decades.

It’s a mafia state. There’s no control. There’s no regulation. The system is full of legalized bribery. The electoral process is corrupt as well. The courts are stacked with right-wing ideologues. The press has been bought off and corporatized. Many of our constitutional rights as Americans have been revoked by judicial fiat, including the right to privacy. Corporate money floods political campaigns in the name of “free speech.” The United States is a failed democracy and a mafia state, the natural result of what happens when capitalism is deregulated.

Trump, Mitch McConnell, the other Republicans and their gangster capitalist allies are telling the public that $1,200 in coronavirus relief money is adequate. But the billionaires and millionaires are the ones who received the majority of the “relief” funds. America’s billionaires are now $500 billion richer because of the coronavirus disaster. The average American is closer to homelessness. Neoliberal capitalism amounts to socialism for the rich and “free markets” for everyone else.

Mitch McConnell and the other elites really have not figured out what is happening in this moment of great crisis and upheaval. What we are seeing now in America is about so much more than people just being sick of the police murdering innocent people. It is a generational and class revolt. Yes, COVID certainly exacerbated it. But all of the kindling was already there. Chronic underemployment, massive consumer and student debt, being priced out of the for-profit health care system and the expansion of militarized police and the prison system.

This movement is multiracial. It is led by people of color, but certainly, there are a lot of young white people out there too, and my sense is that they are no longer buying into being gaslit by the elites anymore.

The empire always strikes back. What will that look like?

We have to acknowledge that the empire is tottering towards its collapse. So what is empire? Empire is the expression of white supremacy beyond our borders. The whole nature of empire is to go into the Middle East — previously into Vietnam, Latin America, the Philippines and elsewhere — and steal natural resources and exploit cheap labor in the name of white supremacy. And of course, we have an American society built on chattel slavery and genocide against indigenous peoples. What empires traditionally do at the end is they engage in what historians call “micro-militarism”.

At the end, as they slip into an irrevocable decline, empires engage in military adventurism in a desperate bid to bring back lost power, lost wealth and lost glory. America has done this in the Middle East. The result is that America has been hollowed out from the inside.

At the end stage, the elites need the tools that the empire perfected on people of color abroad. That is why we see the drones and militarized police and heavy weapons such as armored personnel carriers being used here in America against the country’s own citizens.

White supremacy hurts white folks. There are so many examples of this, from the way that federal and state resources are spent putting Black and brown people in prison in disproportionate numbers to how white racism hurts the overall economy. The police in Buffalo intentionally knocking down that older white man, who lay there bleeding from the head while the police walked over him like he was human garbage, was such a profound metaphor for how racism hurts white people. With the George Floyd protests and people’s uprising, white folks are seeing, again, that what Black and brown folks have been saying about police thuggery is true. Now the police are brutalizing white people.

People of color always, throughout American history, suffer first. They are the first to suffer — and they suffer disproportionately. But de-industrialization has now hit the white working class. The tools of control are now being used against them. Overall, I don’t so much fault the white racists. They are what they are. I fault the white liberals who really did not pay attention to what was happening to primarily poor people of color in urban areas.

Everything that is now enraging white progressives is not new — it goes back decades. But it was never really covered by the mainstream American news media. The liberal elites busied themselves with the boutique activism of “diversity” and “tolerance,” “multiculturalism” and the like. Sure, that is well and good, but not when such approaches are divorced from economic justice.

When you look at these multiracial, intergenerational protests, what do you see?

There has been mass economic disenfranchisement. There is a leadership crisis too among the Democrats and the so-called liberals.

For example, look at what the Congressional Black Caucus is doing. They are repeating the same kind of tired clichés about police reform we have heard for years. Most people participating in the George Floyd protests know that such reforms are useless. Empty symbolism. The mayor of Washington, D.C., Muriel Bowser, paints “Black Lives Matter” in 35-foot-tall letters on a street near the White House. But at the same time, she’s pushing for a $45 million increase in the police budget and the construction of a $500 million new jail. I don’t think people are buying such a performance. I also don’t believe that people are buying Pelosi’s little kente-cloth, “take a knee in solidarity with Black Lives Matter” trick either.

In part, such actions have no credibility because younger white people no longer buy into the policies of the oligarchs which produced all of this extreme social inequality in the first place. People of color have long known this truth. Now younger white people are being forced into a new type of awareness and consciousness. That is a good thing.

I worry that the Democrats are setting themselves up for great failure and a crushing defeat with all this celebration of how Biden is leading Trump in these early polls. Polls are a snapshot in time. They are not predictive of the outcome on Election Day. Hillary Clinton and Mike Dukakis had double digit leads at various times, and they both lost to Republicans.

As embarrassing and awful as Trump is, he serves corporate power just like Joe Biden. The big corporate Democratic Party donors made it clear that if Bernie Sanders became the presidential nominee, they would support Trump. The donor class has created a system where they cannot fail. If it’s Trump or Biden, Goldman Sachs doesn’t lose, ExxonMobil doesn’t lose, Raytheon doesn’t lose, Citibank doesn’t lose. There is no way that they can lose. They have rigged the system so that their interests are always served.

Donald Trump tried to order the United States military to attack the American people several weeks ago because they dared to participate in massive protests against police brutality and social inequality. These protests continue and social movement scholars are now saying that the George Floyd protests may be the largest such mobilizations in American history. Trump tried to order martial law and the senior leaders of the United States military basically told him no. On one hand I am glad the military defied Trump. On the other hand, I am deeply concerned about such power in a democracy being normalized. Either way, America is not a healthy democracy.

The military does not want to be deployed in the streets. At present they are the most respected social and political institution in the country. The military gets even more money than they ask for from the Democrats and the Republicans. The military, quite correctly, saw that it would be disastrous for them to follow Trump’s commands to crack down and enact martial law.

As a practical matter, the military does not need to intervene against the George Floyd protesters and others who have taken to the streets because the American police are so highly militarized. In America there are SWAT teams who don’t look much different than Army Rangers knocking down doors in Afghanistan.

In many ways, the most potent anti-democratic force in the United States is the military. They are untouchable. The U.S. military cannot even be audited. Such power and influence are a classic symptom of the end of an empire. The Praetorian Guard can no longer be controlled by the supposed political leaders.

There have been incidents across the country in which white mobs attack Black Lives Matter protesters, anti-fascists and other Americans of conscience. These thugs are yelling Trump slogans, wearing his regalia and attacking with baseball bats and other weapons. The Trump street enforcers also have guns. Where do we go from here?

The more beleaguered Donald Trump becomes, the more he and the other racists and nativists will incite violence. America right now reminds me of Yugoslavia during the 1990s.

Donald Trump’s supporters are willing to kill and die for him. This is just the beginning of what is going to happen as Election Day approaches. You have been in war zones and countries torn apart by ethnic cleansing and genocide. What is the model for how a people turn on each other?

It begins with economic dysfunction, which is what happened in Yugoslavia. Yugoslavia went into de facto bankruptcy. The huge state factories closed, just like they did here in the United States. There was massive unemployment, the social bonds in the country were ruptured. There were bread lines. People lost everything, including a sense of identity. As a result, they retreated into these mythical narratives about themselves as Serbs, Croats and Muslims. In such a moment shared public discourse is impossible. These other identities and their myths have now superseded verifiable historical fact. That’s what happened in Yugoslavia, and that is very much part of what is happening in the United States.

Then there is the rise of demagogues who demonize a segment of the population and target them as the Other. Then the eliminationist rhetoric and violent rhetoric begins. After four years, people started shooting each other in Yugoslavia. The United States is approaching that point.

We spoke with each other several months ago during the first few weeks of the national coronavirus lockdown and economic collapse. You told me that as horrible as things were then, it was in fact “the good times.” Several months have gone by. Is the United States still experiencing “good times” as compared to what will happen in the future?

Yes, as compared to what is coming. The elites are not responding rationally to the coronavirus pandemic, the economic devastation and the myriad of other problems facing the United States right now. America’s ruling class is doing just what they did in 2008, which is to line their own pockets at the public’s expense and to cast the rest of the country — the working poor and the working class — aside as if they were human refuse. That is all very shortsighted, of course, because of the blowback. The ramifications are catastrophic. One would think that America’s elites would respond in a smarter way, if even for their own self-preservation. If elected president, Joe Biden certainly isn’t going to respond properly.

The George Floyd protests are more accurately described as a generational class revolt. I hope that the protesters and their allies win, because if we do not take power back from this American mafia state then there will be a very ugly type of tyranny in the country.

As Aristotle said, once you have oligarchic rule, there are only two choices. It is revolution or tyranny, and that’s it. I’m not naive enough to tell you the revolution is going to win, but I’m going to tell you that if it doesn’t win then there will be a very ugly corporate tyranny in the United States.

The American elites, the ruling class, has already rewritten all the laws.They already have the prison cells. They’ve already militarized the forces of internal security. They’ve already legitimized the revoking of basic rights like habeas corpus and due process. Americans are already the most watched, monitored, surveilled, photographed population in human history. The forces of tyranny are ready to go.

I’m more optimistic because I see the resistance in the streets, which wasn’t there a few weeks and months ago. That’s where hope lies. It lies in the streets. And I have got to acknowledge these people. They’re mostly young, incredibly courageous, they are out there braving economic misery, arrests, indiscriminate, brutal and often lethal police violence and COVID-19, and they’re fighting against injustice and the elites anyway. They’re all heroes in my book.

Nice essay!

--  MWT  ;)
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 17, 2020, 02:44:51 AM
MARK your calendars: Monday, July 20th @ 9:00 PM on CNN: Donald Trump and conspiracy theory!
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Tom Scully on July 17, 2020, 05:08:03 AM
The attack against peaceful protestors in DC to make White House perimeter safe for upsidedown bible photo op was the dress rehearsal.

They're here !!! ....Barr's "shocktroops", rehearsing for election day intimidation, not as effective on mail-in voters.

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https://www.wweek.com/news/2020/07/16/oregon-gov-kate-brown-says-president-trump-is-invading-portland-as-an-election-stunt/
Oregon Gov. Kate Brown Says President Trump Is Invading Portland as an Election Stunt
Her comments come in the same hour that acting Secretary of Homeland Security Chad Wolf landed in Portland.
By Aaron Mesh |Published 2:39 PM  Updated 4:27 PM

As top federal law enforcement officials arrived in Oregon on Thursday, Gov. Kate Brown accused President Donald Trump of deploying federal officers to Portland to crack down on protesters as a way to boost his flailing reelection prospects.

In an uncharacteristically harsh statement, Brown responded to Trump's deployment of federal officers to quell Portland's protests against police violence. Those officers sent one demonstrator to the hospital July 11 with a munition to the face.

"This political theater from President Trump has nothing to do with public safety," Brown said. "The president is failing to lead this nation. Now he is deploying federal officers to patrol the streets of Portland in a blatant abuse of power by the federal government."

Her comments come in the same hour that acting Secretary of Homeland Security Chad Wolf landed in Portland, according to KOIN News 6. This morning, Wolf refused a request from Mayor Ted Wheeler to withdraw his officers from Portland.

"The city of Portland has been under siege for 47 straight days by a violent mob while local political leaders refuse to restore order to protect their city," Wolf said. "This siege can end if state and local officials decide to take appropriate action instead of refusing to enforce the law. DHS will not abdicate its solemn duty to protect federal facilities and those within them."
.....

Below, Portland's mayor Ted Wheeler confirms this is unlawful, uninvited, federal incursion.:

https://twitter.com/gwensnyderPHL/status/1283785608645750784
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Wheeler
Edward Tevis Wheeler is an American politician who has served as the mayor of Portland, Oregon, since 2017.
https://twitter.com/tedwheeler/status/1283905320201248770
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https://twitter.com/chicagosmayor/status/1283871476408479744
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Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Tom Scully on July 17, 2020, 05:56:30 AM
Call the last five years what it is, the birther movement was the shot across the bow.

Uppity negro in the White House who was not a janitor or a plantation negro ushered in the era of "race war".
If they can't keep it, "same as it ever was", right down to dirty air and water and energy inefficient vehicles, it's looking like they're content to burn it all down. Nuthin' personal...:

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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/meet-the-press/biden-opens-11-point-national-lead-over-trump-nbc-news-n1233913
July 15, 2020, 5:00 PM EDT
By Mark Murray

.....Trump is ahead among all white voters (49 percent to 42 percent), men (45 percent to 43 percent) and whites without college degrees (57 percent to 35 percent).

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https://twitter.com/gtconway3d/status/1283873694172033024
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https://www.rollcall.com/2020/07/16/trump-pitches-trump-as-suburbs-guardian-foe-of-climate-rules/
Trump pitches Trump as suburbs’ guardian, foe of climate rules
The president touted moves to cut regulations and said a November loss to Joe Biden would destroy suburban America
By Benjamin J. Hulac
Posted July 16, 2020 at 6:49pm
For the third time in as many days, President Donald Trump set his sights on a familiar target: regulations.

...Trump also said the Green New Deal, a sweeping plan many Democrats support to decarbonize the U.S. economy, would spell disaster for the nation.

“It’ll mean the end of this country,” Trump told a largely maskless audience on the south lawn that included Cabinet heads and Republican governors Brad Little of Idaho and Mike Dunleavy of Alaska.....

....The real estate mogul, who has used his time in office to undermine climate science and called climate change a Chinese “hoax,” typically describes environmental rules as impediments to business.

The president devoted much of his speech to a well-trodden list of grievances over efficiency-related matters: low-flow washers, water pollution rules, the Paris deal and new generations of light bulbs.

“Old-fashioned incandescent light bulbs — I brought 'em back,” he said. “They’re selling like hotcakes.”......

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https://www.energy.gov/energysaver/save-electricity-and-fuel/lighting-choices-save-you-money/led-lighting

... use of LEDs could save about 348 TWh (compared to no LED use) of electricity: This is the equivalent annual electrical output of 44 large electric power plants ...
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Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Ray Mitcham on July 17, 2020, 07:29:44 AM
Under Donald Trump’s reign, America is a country run by a crime family. Trump and his Republicans have no moral authority. They are removing any oversight by firing inspectors general within the federal government, which has allowed Trump and his allies to loot coronavirus relief funds for billions of dollars. Trump and his cronies rage about “law and order” and locking up people who were looting during the George Floyd uprising — when in reality the plutocrats are looting an entire country and have been doing so for decades.

It’s a mafia state. There’s no control. There’s no regulation. The system is full of legalized bribery. The electoral process is corrupt as well. The courts are stacked with right-wing ideologues. The press has been bought off and corporatized. Many of our constitutional rights as Americans have been revoked by judicial fiat, including the right to privacy. Corporate money floods political campaigns in the name of “free speech.” The United States is a failed democracy and a mafia state, the natural result of what happens when capitalism is deregulated.

Trump, Mitch McConnell, the other Republicans and their gangster capitalist allies are telling the public that $1,200 in coronavirus relief money is adequate. But the billionaires and millionaires are the ones who received the majority of the “relief” funds. America’s billionaires are now $500 billion richer because of the coronavirus disaster. The average American is closer to homelessness. Neoliberal capitalism amounts to socialism for the rich and “free markets” for everyone else.

Mitch McConnell and the other elites really have not figured out what is happening in this moment of great crisis and upheaval. What we are seeing now in America is about so much more than people just being sick of the police murdering innocent people. It is a generational and class revolt. Yes, COVID certainly exacerbated it. But all of the kindling was already there. Chronic underemployment, massive consumer and student debt, being priced out of the for-profit health care system and the expansion of militarized police and the prison system.

This movement is multiracial. It is led by people of color, but certainly, there are a lot of young white people out there too, and my sense is that they are no longer buying into being gaslit by the elites anymore.

The empire always strikes back. What will that look like?

We have to acknowledge that the empire is tottering towards its collapse. So what is empire? Empire is the expression of white supremacy beyond our borders. The whole nature of empire is to go into the Middle East — previously into Vietnam, Latin America, the Philippines and elsewhere — and steal natural resources and exploit cheap labor in the name of white supremacy. And of course, we have an American society built on chattel slavery and genocide against indigenous peoples. What empires traditionally do at the end is they engage in what historians call “micro-militarism”.

At the end, as they slip into an irrevocable decline, empires engage in military adventurism in a desperate bid to bring back lost power, lost wealth and lost glory. America has done this in the Middle East. The result is that America has been hollowed out from the inside.

At the end stage, the elites need the tools that the empire perfected on people of color abroad. That is why we see the drones and militarized police and heavy weapons such as armored personnel carriers being used here in America against the country’s own citizens.

White supremacy hurts white folks. There are so many examples of this, from the way that federal and state resources are spent putting Black and brown people in prison in disproportionate numbers to how white racism hurts the overall economy. The police in Buffalo intentionally knocking down that older white man, who lay there bleeding from the head while the police walked over him like he was human garbage, was such a profound metaphor for how racism hurts white people. With the George Floyd protests and people’s uprising, white folks are seeing, again, that what Black and brown folks have been saying about police thuggery is true. Now the police are brutalizing white people.

People of color always, throughout American history, suffer first. They are the first to suffer — and they suffer disproportionately. But de-industrialization has now hit the white working class. The tools of control are now being used against them. Overall, I don’t so much fault the white racists. They are what they are. I fault the white liberals who really did not pay attention to what was happening to primarily poor people of color in urban areas.

Everything that is now enraging white progressives is not new — it goes back decades. But it was never really covered by the mainstream American news media. The liberal elites busied themselves with the boutique activism of “diversity” and “tolerance,” “multiculturalism” and the like. Sure, that is well and good, but not when such approaches are divorced from economic justice.

When you look at these multiracial, intergenerational protests, what do you see?

There has been mass economic disenfranchisement. There is a leadership crisis too among the Democrats and the so-called liberals.

For example, look at what the Congressional Black Caucus is doing. They are repeating the same kind of tired clichés about police reform we have heard for years. Most people participating in the George Floyd protests know that such reforms are useless. Empty symbolism. The mayor of Washington, D.C., Muriel Bowser, paints “Black Lives Matter” in 35-foot-tall letters on a street near the White House. But at the same time, she’s pushing for a $45 million increase in the police budget and the construction of a $500 million new jail. I don’t think people are buying such a performance. I also don’t believe that people are buying Pelosi’s little kente-cloth, “take a knee in solidarity with Black Lives Matter” trick either.

In part, such actions have no credibility because younger white people no longer buy into the policies of the oligarchs which produced all of this extreme social inequality in the first place. People of color have long known this truth. Now younger white people are being forced into a new type of awareness and consciousness. That is a good thing.

I worry that the Democrats are setting themselves up for great failure and a crushing defeat with all this celebration of how Biden is leading Trump in these early polls. Polls are a snapshot in time. They are not predictive of the outcome on Election Day. Hillary Clinton and Mike Dukakis had double digit leads at various times, and they both lost to Republicans.

As embarrassing and awful as Trump is, he serves corporate power just like Joe Biden. The big corporate Democratic Party donors made it clear that if Bernie Sanders became the presidential nominee, they would support Trump. The donor class has created a system where they cannot fail. If it’s Trump or Biden, Goldman Sachs doesn’t lose, ExxonMobil doesn’t lose, Raytheon doesn’t lose, Citibank doesn’t lose. There is no way that they can lose. They have rigged the system so that their interests are always served.

Donald Trump tried to order the United States military to attack the American people several weeks ago because they dared to participate in massive protests against police brutality and social inequality. These protests continue and social movement scholars are now saying that the George Floyd protests may be the largest such mobilizations in American history. Trump tried to order martial law and the senior leaders of the United States military basically told him no. On one hand I am glad the military defied Trump. On the other hand, I am deeply concerned about such power in a democracy being normalized. Either way, America is not a healthy democracy.

The military does not want to be deployed in the streets. At present they are the most respected social and political institution in the country. The military gets even more money than they ask for from the Democrats and the Republicans. The military, quite correctly, saw that it would be disastrous for them to follow Trump’s commands to crack down and enact martial law.

As a practical matter, the military does not need to intervene against the George Floyd protesters and others who have taken to the streets because the American police are so highly militarized. In America there are SWAT teams who don’t look much different than Army Rangers knocking down doors in Afghanistan.

In many ways, the most potent anti-democratic force in the United States is the military. They are untouchable. The U.S. military cannot even be audited. Such power and influence are a classic symptom of the end of an empire. The Praetorian Guard can no longer be controlled by the supposed political leaders.

There have been incidents across the country in which white mobs attack Black Lives Matter protesters, anti-fascists and other Americans of conscience. These thugs are yelling Trump slogans, wearing his regalia and attacking with baseball bats and other weapons. The Trump street enforcers also have guns. Where do we go from here?

The more beleaguered Donald Trump becomes, the more he and the other racists and nativists will incite violence. America right now reminds me of Yugoslavia during the 1990s.

Donald Trump’s supporters are willing to kill and die for him. This is just the beginning of what is going to happen as Election Day approaches. You have been in war zones and countries torn apart by ethnic cleansing and genocide. What is the model for how a people turn on each other?

It begins with economic dysfunction, which is what happened in Yugoslavia. Yugoslavia went into de facto bankruptcy. The huge state factories closed, just like they did here in the United States. There was massive unemployment, the social bonds in the country were ruptured. There were bread lines. People lost everything, including a sense of identity. As a result, they retreated into these mythical narratives about themselves as Serbs, Croats and Muslims. In such a moment shared public discourse is impossible. These other identities and their myths have now superseded verifiable historical fact. That’s what happened in Yugoslavia, and that is very much part of what is happening in the United States.

Then there is the rise of demagogues who demonize a segment of the population and target them as the Other. Then the eliminationist rhetoric and violent rhetoric begins. After four years, people started shooting each other in Yugoslavia. The United States is approaching that point.

We spoke with each other several months ago during the first few weeks of the national coronavirus lockdown and economic collapse. You told me that as horrible as things were then, it was in fact “the good times.” Several months have gone by. Is the United States still experiencing “good times” as compared to what will happen in the future?

Yes, as compared to what is coming. The elites are not responding rationally to the coronavirus pandemic, the economic devastation and the myriad of other problems facing the United States right now. America’s ruling class is doing just what they did in 2008, which is to line their own pockets at the public’s expense and to cast the rest of the country — the working poor and the working class — aside as if they were human refuse. That is all very shortsighted, of course, because of the blowback. The ramifications are catastrophic. One would think that America’s elites would respond in a smarter way, if even for their own self-preservation. If elected president, Joe Biden certainly isn’t going to respond properly.

The George Floyd protests are more accurately described as a generational class revolt. I hope that the protesters and their allies win, because if we do not take power back from this American mafia state then there will be a very ugly type of tyranny in the country.

As Aristotle said, once you have oligarchic rule, there are only two choices. It is revolution or tyranny, and that’s it. I’m not naive enough to tell you the revolution is going to win, but I’m going to tell you that if it doesn’t win then there will be a very ugly corporate tyranny in the United States.

The American elites, the ruling class, has already rewritten all the laws.They already have the prison cells. They’ve already militarized the forces of internal security. They’ve already legitimized the revoking of basic rights like habeas corpus and due process. Americans are already the most watched, monitored, surveilled, photographed population in human history. The forces of tyranny are ready to go.

I’m more optimistic because I see the resistance in the streets, which wasn’t there a few weeks and months ago. That’s where hope lies. It lies in the streets. And I have got to acknowledge these people. They’re mostly young, incredibly courageous, they are out there braving economic misery, arrests, indiscriminate, brutal and often lethal police violence and COVID-19, and they’re fighting against injustice and the elites anyway. They’re all heroes in my book.

Brilliant post, Paul.  Thumb1: Thumb1: Thumb1:
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Tim Nickerson on July 17, 2020, 08:01:29 AM
Under Donald Trump’s reign, America is a country run by a crime family. Trump and his Republicans have no moral authority. They are removing any oversight by firing inspectors general within the federal government, which has allowed Trump and his allies to loot coronavirus relief funds for billions of dollars. Trump and his cronies rage about “law and order” and locking up people who were looting during the George Floyd uprising — when in reality the plutocrats are looting an entire country and have been doing so for decades.

It’s a mafia state. There’s no control. There’s no regulation. The system is full of legalized bribery. The electoral process is corrupt as well. The courts are stacked with right-wing ideologues. The press has been bought off and corporatized. Many of our constitutional rights as Americans have been revoked by judicial fiat, including the right to privacy. Corporate money floods political campaigns in the name of “free speech.” The United States is a failed democracy and a mafia state, the natural result of what happens when capitalism is deregulated.

Trump, Mitch McConnell, the other Republicans and their gangster capitalist allies are telling the public that $1,200 in coronavirus relief money is adequate. But the billionaires and millionaires are the ones who received the majority of the “relief” funds. America’s billionaires are now $500 billion richer because of the coronavirus disaster. The average American is closer to homelessness. Neoliberal capitalism amounts to socialism for the rich and “free markets” for everyone else.

Mitch McConnell and the other elites really have not figured out what is happening in this moment of great crisis and upheaval. What we are seeing now in America is about so much more than people just being sick of the police murdering innocent people. It is a generational and class revolt. Yes, COVID certainly exacerbated it. But all of the kindling was already there. Chronic underemployment, massive consumer and student debt, being priced out of the for-profit health care system and the expansion of militarized police and the prison system.

This movement is multiracial. It is led by people of color, but certainly, there are a lot of young white people out there too, and my sense is that they are no longer buying into being gaslit by the elites anymore.

The empire always strikes back. What will that look like?

We have to acknowledge that the empire is tottering towards its collapse. So what is empire? Empire is the expression of white supremacy beyond our borders. The whole nature of empire is to go into the Middle East — previously into Vietnam, Latin America, the Philippines and elsewhere — and steal natural resources and exploit cheap labor in the name of white supremacy. And of course, we have an American society built on chattel slavery and genocide against indigenous peoples. What empires traditionally do at the end is they engage in what historians call “micro-militarism”.

At the end, as they slip into an irrevocable decline, empires engage in military adventurism in a desperate bid to bring back lost power, lost wealth and lost glory. America has done this in the Middle East. The result is that America has been hollowed out from the inside.

At the end stage, the elites need the tools that the empire perfected on people of color abroad. That is why we see the drones and militarized police and heavy weapons such as armored personnel carriers being used here in America against the country’s own citizens.

White supremacy hurts white folks. There are so many examples of this, from the way that federal and state resources are spent putting Black and brown people in prison in disproportionate numbers to how white racism hurts the overall economy. The police in Buffalo intentionally knocking down that older white man, who lay there bleeding from the head while the police walked over him like he was human garbage, was such a profound metaphor for how racism hurts white people. With the George Floyd protests and people’s uprising, white folks are seeing, again, that what Black and brown folks have been saying about police thuggery is true. Now the police are brutalizing white people.

People of color always, throughout American history, suffer first. They are the first to suffer — and they suffer disproportionately. But de-industrialization has now hit the white working class. The tools of control are now being used against them. Overall, I don’t so much fault the white racists. They are what they are. I fault the white liberals who really did not pay attention to what was happening to primarily poor people of color in urban areas.

Everything that is now enraging white progressives is not new — it goes back decades. But it was never really covered by the mainstream American news media. The liberal elites busied themselves with the boutique activism of “diversity” and “tolerance,” “multiculturalism” and the like. Sure, that is well and good, but not when such approaches are divorced from economic justice.

When you look at these multiracial, intergenerational protests, what do you see?

There has been mass economic disenfranchisement. There is a leadership crisis too among the Democrats and the so-called liberals.

For example, look at what the Congressional Black Caucus is doing. They are repeating the same kind of tired clichés about police reform we have heard for years. Most people participating in the George Floyd protests know that such reforms are useless. Empty symbolism. The mayor of Washington, D.C., Muriel Bowser, paints “Black Lives Matter” in 35-foot-tall letters on a street near the White House. But at the same time, she’s pushing for a $45 million increase in the police budget and the construction of a $500 million new jail. I don’t think people are buying such a performance. I also don’t believe that people are buying Pelosi’s little kente-cloth, “take a knee in solidarity with Black Lives Matter” trick either.

In part, such actions have no credibility because younger white people no longer buy into the policies of the oligarchs which produced all of this extreme social inequality in the first place. People of color have long known this truth. Now younger white people are being forced into a new type of awareness and consciousness. That is a good thing.

I worry that the Democrats are setting themselves up for great failure and a crushing defeat with all this celebration of how Biden is leading Trump in these early polls. Polls are a snapshot in time. They are not predictive of the outcome on Election Day. Hillary Clinton and Mike Dukakis had double digit leads at various times, and they both lost to Republicans.

As embarrassing and awful as Trump is, he serves corporate power just like Joe Biden. The big corporate Democratic Party donors made it clear that if Bernie Sanders became the presidential nominee, they would support Trump. The donor class has created a system where they cannot fail. If it’s Trump or Biden, Goldman Sachs doesn’t lose, ExxonMobil doesn’t lose, Raytheon doesn’t lose, Citibank doesn’t lose. There is no way that they can lose. They have rigged the system so that their interests are always served.

Donald Trump tried to order the United States military to attack the American people several weeks ago because they dared to participate in massive protests against police brutality and social inequality. These protests continue and social movement scholars are now saying that the George Floyd protests may be the largest such mobilizations in American history. Trump tried to order martial law and the senior leaders of the United States military basically told him no. On one hand I am glad the military defied Trump. On the other hand, I am deeply concerned about such power in a democracy being normalized. Either way, America is not a healthy democracy.

The military does not want to be deployed in the streets. At present they are the most respected social and political institution in the country. The military gets even more money than they ask for from the Democrats and the Republicans. The military, quite correctly, saw that it would be disastrous for them to follow Trump’s commands to crack down and enact martial law.

As a practical matter, the military does not need to intervene against the George Floyd protesters and others who have taken to the streets because the American police are so highly militarized. In America there are SWAT teams who don’t look much different than Army Rangers knocking down doors in Afghanistan.

In many ways, the most potent anti-democratic force in the United States is the military. They are untouchable. The U.S. military cannot even be audited. Such power and influence are a classic symptom of the end of an empire. The Praetorian Guard can no longer be controlled by the supposed political leaders.

There have been incidents across the country in which white mobs attack Black Lives Matter protesters, anti-fascists and other Americans of conscience. These thugs are yelling Trump slogans, wearing his regalia and attacking with baseball bats and other weapons. The Trump street enforcers also have guns. Where do we go from here?

The more beleaguered Donald Trump becomes, the more he and the other racists and nativists will incite violence. America right now reminds me of Yugoslavia during the 1990s.

Donald Trump’s supporters are willing to kill and die for him. This is just the beginning of what is going to happen as Election Day approaches. You have been in war zones and countries torn apart by ethnic cleansing and genocide. What is the model for how a people turn on each other?

It begins with economic dysfunction, which is what happened in Yugoslavia. Yugoslavia went into de facto bankruptcy. The huge state factories closed, just like they did here in the United States. There was massive unemployment, the social bonds in the country were ruptured. There were bread lines. People lost everything, including a sense of identity. As a result, they retreated into these mythical narratives about themselves as Serbs, Croats and Muslims. In such a moment shared public discourse is impossible. These other identities and their myths have now superseded verifiable historical fact. That’s what happened in Yugoslavia, and that is very much part of what is happening in the United States.

Then there is the rise of demagogues who demonize a segment of the population and target them as the Other. Then the eliminationist rhetoric and violent rhetoric begins. After four years, people started shooting each other in Yugoslavia. The United States is approaching that point.

We spoke with each other several months ago during the first few weeks of the national coronavirus lockdown and economic collapse. You told me that as horrible as things were then, it was in fact “the good times.” Several months have gone by. Is the United States still experiencing “good times” as compared to what will happen in the future?

Yes, as compared to what is coming. The elites are not responding rationally to the coronavirus pandemic, the economic devastation and the myriad of other problems facing the United States right now. America’s ruling class is doing just what they did in 2008, which is to line their own pockets at the public’s expense and to cast the rest of the country — the working poor and the working class — aside as if they were human refuse. That is all very shortsighted, of course, because of the blowback. The ramifications are catastrophic. One would think that America’s elites would respond in a smarter way, if even for their own self-preservation. If elected president, Joe Biden certainly isn’t going to respond properly.

The George Floyd protests are more accurately described as a generational class revolt. I hope that the protesters and their allies win, because if we do not take power back from this American mafia state then there will be a very ugly type of tyranny in the country.

As Aristotle said, once you have oligarchic rule, there are only two choices. It is revolution or tyranny, and that’s it. I’m not naive enough to tell you the revolution is going to win, but I’m going to tell you that if it doesn’t win then there will be a very ugly corporate tyranny in the United States.

The American elites, the ruling class, has already rewritten all the laws.They already have the prison cells. They’ve already militarized the forces of internal security. They’ve already legitimized the revoking of basic rights like habeas corpus and due process. Americans are already the most watched, monitored, surveilled, photographed population in human history. The forces of tyranny are ready to go.

I’m more optimistic because I see the resistance in the streets, which wasn’t there a few weeks and months ago. That’s where hope lies. It lies in the streets. And I have got to acknowledge these people. They’re mostly young, incredibly courageous, they are out there braving economic misery, arrests, indiscriminate, brutal and often lethal police violence and COVID-19, and they’re fighting against injustice and the elites anyway. They’re all heroes in my book.

You forgot to post a link to where you copied it from.

https://www.salon.com/2020/07/16/chris-hedges-america-faces-a-historic-choice--ugly-corporate-tyranny-or-revolution/
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 17, 2020, 10:13:58 AM
Donald Trump wants you to hurt your own child for his re-election. Join the fight and say #NotMyChild.

Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 17, 2020, 01:16:50 PM
LEAKED DOCUMENTS SHOW POLICE KNEW FAR-RIGHT EXTREMISTS WERE THE REAL THREAT AT PROTESTS, NOT “ANTIFA”

https://theintercept.com/2020/07/15/george-floyd-protests-police-far-right-antifa/
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Tom Scully on July 17, 2020, 01:49:42 PM
Donald Trump wants you to hurt your own child for his re-election. Join the fight and say #NotMyChild.

youtube https://www.youtubeDOTcom/watch?v=E88JVaxsCro /youtube

Some observations, and warnings. States, county, and city governments find themselves in dire financial straits due to the interruption in revenue streams resulting from covid-19 effects on economic activity. They will all reduce services and seek innovative methods never widely resorted to previously to collect revenue to literally attempt to continue to function.

At this link, below the U.S. states map (duplicated at the bottom this post)
https://www.kff.org/medicaid/issue-brief/status-of-state-medicaid-expansion-decisions-interactive-map/
....read of the detailed lunacy, state by state, of the republican/Trump party state legislatures and governors in their nine years effort to deny legislative accomplishment to "the negro in the White House", first by relabeling the ACA as "Obamacare" in an effort to disparage this vital and prescient health care reform resulting in elimination of pre-existing medical conditions as disqualifying affordability by private health insurance issuers to all but the wealthiest.

Just three states, combine population of 58 million, Texas, Florida, and Georgia, "enjoy" at least 5 million residents without affordable healthcare coverage during covid-19 pandemic.

VS in California, a state of 40 million with almost all qualified under ACA medicaid expansion are protected with affordable healthcare coverage and have the ability, economically, to seek timely treatment for symptoms of illness instead of dragging themselves to their jobs until their illness feels acute enough to seek much more expensive ER diagnosis and care, the cost unreimbursed  to states still refusing to accept ACA medicaid expansion.

Why would any of the primarily working poor parents in states denying ACA medicaid expansion coverage to them, risk sending their kids into schools without adequate access to testing or followup tracing, while risking their kids bringing covid-19 home from schools, raising the risk of parents with no affordable healthcare coverage and the risk of needing medical care resulting in economic ruin?

Lay offs of state and local government employees are only at the early stages. Moscow Donald & Mitch blocked legislating direct aid to help states and local governments continue to provide services during this crisis while continuing to employ as many as needed to maintain vital services and efficient government while addressing local pandemic response.

The "Moscow Boys" claimed the need was primarily in blue states and there was little political benefit in appropriating financial aid too states in which the majority do not vote Trump party and providing temporary financial support would be rewarding fiscally irresponsible states with large unfunded pension obligations, such as Illinois. It mattered not that Moscow Mitch's state of Kentucky is one of the two poorest states and also has a "top ten" unfunded pension obligation.

In this example, it seems wise to avoid burdening the kids down the road by at least trying to "nip in the bud", the health disorder we've witnessed in a plethora symptoms filled posts. The alternative is to heavily burden the kids down the road. This is not a set up for improvement, if left unevaluated and untreated. The illness, similarly to covid-19, is not going to just disappear.

"Many people don't know" that in 26 states, children can be held financially for the $5,000 monthly cost of long term care each state medicaid program pays for the majority of elderly who require such care.

This state, however, has a narrower requirement for children to pay back medicaid.:

Quote
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filial_responsibility_laws#cite_note-8
......
1.  Arkansas law can only require payment for adult mental care.

Presenting evidence to consider of the zealotry behind the resentment of the poorest by legislatures and governors in Trump party states before the dire need to pursue, under law, the children of parents who exhausted their savings and home equity and then applying for and receiving state medicaid funded long term care routinely costing at least $5,000 per month. This is a mandates medicaid discount rate. Search for monthly privately paid for long term care. You will have great difficulty finding quality in-patient care for less than $7,500 per month!

The Affordable Care Act, derided by Trump supporters as "Obamacare", was passed by a 60 vote senate majority. In an effort to provide healthcare cost of coverage to as many uninsured as possible, it simply offers 90 percent federal reimbursement to all states agreeing to expand each state's medicaid health coverage to everyone with income between 100 and 138 percent of the federal poverty rates.

This ACA provision was intended to solve the gap between those with income of 100 percent or less "FPL", qualifying them to receive medicaid coverage, VS those, many who are working poor, with income above FPL, but unable to afford even a $100 month premium for an income scaled ACA Silver health coverage plan. Those with income less than 139 percent of FPL, but above 100 percent, would be covered for healthcare expenses in all states agreeing to follow the ACA provisions required for 90 percent federal reimbursement.

Consider how low this income level actually is, and the lesson sudden unemployment and the covid-19 itself has given U.S. society, that it is an vital economic and national security interest that all U.S. residents have constant, adequate access to affordable healthcare:.

(http://jfkforum.com/images/ACA_FPL2019.jpg)

The map indicates which states embraced the ACA, aka Obamacare, enrolled residents with income between 101 and 138 percent of FPL
back in 2014, received 90 percent federal reimbursement, experienced an increase in healthcare related employment and a healthier overall population at no increase to state expense, given the added employment and reduction in unreimbursed emergency room expense of treating the formerly uninsured using ER medical services as a last resort, often neglecting their symptoms while attempting to continue to work at minimum wage jobs and hoping to "tough it through" their unaffordable to treat, medical disorder.
https://www.kff.org/medicaid/issue-brief/status-of-state-medicaid-expansion-decisions-interactive-map/
(http://jfkforum.com/images/ACAadoptionUSmapKFForg.jpg)

Below the map, on the webpage link above the map image, read the state by state effort to resist enrolling their poorer residents in expanded medicaid healthcare coverage as the ACA legislation was written and draw your own conclusions as to the cost vs benefit of the effort these states have expended to scapegoat and harass their poorest residents with income just above FPL (federal poverty level) and consider the consequences these states face during and after pandemic. And this was before these states recently became desperate for money!
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 17, 2020, 02:12:56 PM
You forgot to post a link to where you copied it from.

https://www.salon.com/2020/07/16/chris-hedges-america-faces-a-historic-choice--ugly-corporate-tyranny-or-revolution/

Thanks Tim. I don’t read Salon. Got this from a friend in my email.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: John Tonkovich on July 17, 2020, 04:15:56 PM
Thanks Tim. I don’t read Salon. Got this from a friend in my email.

Thanks for posting.
Chris Hedges is a good guy to follow.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 17, 2020, 05:06:05 PM
U.S. shatters coronavirus record with over 77,000 cases in a day.

Donald Trump: “I alone can fix it”.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 17, 2020, 05:17:11 PM

  Well, let's consider their Source Material for starters.  "Salon" & "Twitter"?   HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !
 
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 17, 2020, 05:27:06 PM
  Well, let's consider their Source Material for starters.  "Salon" & "Twitter"?   HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !

And yet he totally ignores 77,000 new cases in America....just as the lunatic in the WH does.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 17, 2020, 05:29:24 PM

  "Salon" & "Twitter" ??   HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: John Iacoletti on July 17, 2020, 05:31:27 PM
  Well, let's consider their Source Material for starters.  "Salon" & "Twitter"?   HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !

Says the guys whose only citations for his claims are unspecified "inside information".
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 17, 2020, 05:33:00 PM

   "Green" is definitely Not a color that becomes you Johnny!
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: John Iacoletti on July 17, 2020, 05:34:40 PM
(https://media.tenor.com/images/9f6f0aeca6a3d5ef2fbfd55b00979a50/tenor.gif)
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 17, 2020, 05:50:42 PM
AG Barr suggests China is 'stealing the future' as he pushes Trump administration's attacks on Beijing.

The greater irony is Barr accusing China of “unlawful tactics”.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 17, 2020, 06:04:31 PM

  "Unlawful Tactics" such as: (1) SPYING on the Trump Campaign, (2) SPYING on the Trump Transition Team, and (3) SPYING on POTUS Trump. The Durham/Bulldog Barr Investigation HAMMER is coming down in Late Aug or Early Sept. Right in time to Consistently Reverberate into Nov 3. VP "Fuzzy" Joe has Yet to explain WHY: (1) he unmasked Gen Flynn only days before vacating his VP position, and (2) He claimed he "Knew Nothing" about the ongoing Flynn Investigation. 
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 17, 2020, 06:05:47 PM
“I alone can fix it” - Donald Trump

Trumps comments on fixing it, in his own words:

January 22nd in Davos, Switzerland, ‘it’s totally under control.’ February 22nd, ‘we shut it down.’ February 10th it ‘goes away in April with the heat, a lot of people think.’ February 26th ‘the risk to the American people remains low.’ February 28th,  ‘this is their new hoax.’ May 8th, ‘It is going to go away without a vaccine,’ that’s what I’m talking about.” June 17th, “it’s fading away”.

In reality, Trump is making America what it once was; a frozen, barren wasteland”.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 17, 2020, 06:10:44 PM

       I'm guessing "Fuzzy" Joe is giving You 1st Hand accounts of when America was a, "Frozen, Barren Wasteland"?
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 17, 2020, 06:23:48 PM
  "Unlawful Tactics" such as: (1) SPYING on the Trump Campaign, (2) SPYING on the Trump Transition Team, and (3) SPYING on POTUS Trump. The Durham/Bulldog Barr Investigation HAMMER is coming down in Late Aug or Early Sept. Right in time to Consistently Reverberate into Nov 3. VP "Fuzzy" Joe has Yet to explain WHY: (1) he unmasked Gen Flynn only days before vacating his VP position, and (2) He claimed he "Knew Nothing" about the ongoing Flynn Investigation.

You attempt to speak authoritatively on subjects you have neither the intelligence nor education with which to do so. There is ONE story in America. One. Americans are dying on Trumps watch, many within his own base. That’s the science. It’s not getting better regardless of what Trump says on Fox. Trump is lost, over his head....And even his base sees this fact. You, not unlike your mentor are totally dependent on something disappearing which you have no control over. Once again, the science. People are dying. It’s not about politics any longer. It’s about survival. You, not unlike the idiot in the WH lack any human qualities at all. No sympathy. No empathy. No compassion. No concern. Nothing. Zero. An embarrassing human being in full display for all to see.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 17, 2020, 06:28:20 PM
       I'm guessing "Fuzzy" Joe is giving You 1st Hand accounts of when America was a, "Frozen, Barren Wasteland"?

AGAIN, you ignore the content of the posting which I can appreciate. You surely can’t defend his comments so you resort to juvenile HS theatrics. Embarrassing. AGAIN. Why are you here?
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 17, 2020, 06:30:54 PM

  "Trump Derangement Syndrome" on Full Display above.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 17, 2020, 06:37:19 PM
  "Trump Derangement Syndrome" on Full Display above.

Loving this. Your lack of originality/creativity is uniquely embarrassing perhaps even to Trump supporters. Help society. Get an education. So as to remind the members here, I’ve challenged you 4, yes 4 times to debate me LIVE on the internet regarding polling and how it’s done. Your response? You run. You hide. You disappear. Like POTUS himself, you’re a cartoon. A temporary aberration. Who seeks your counsel now genius?
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 17, 2020, 06:46:34 PM

  I am here Frequently as Everyone reading your never ending incoherent babblings Knows. Attempting to engage in an intelligent conversation with someone that is suffering from "Trump Derangement Syndrome", (such as yourself), is akin to rolling down the car window and engaging one of those disheveled individuals that races up and quickly squeegees your windshield at a Stop Light. Not Recommended!
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 17, 2020, 06:51:29 PM
  I am here Frequently as Everyone reading your never ending incoherent babblings Knows. Attempting to engage in an intelligent conversation with someone that is suffering from "Trump Derangement Syndrome", (such as yourself), is akin to rolling down the car window and engaging one of those disheveled individuals that races up and quickly squeegees your windshield at a Stop Light. Not Recommended!

So, let’s roll up our sleeves and debate. Let the viewers decide. You in?
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Tom Scully on July 17, 2020, 07:32:35 PM
So, let’s roll up our sleeves and debate. Let the viewers decide. You in?

If, in fact, there is no facts supported debate out of consideration of a strategy to insulate certain Arkansas children from potential financial responsibility under that state's unusual law, it would tend to rule out anything other than racism as the primary reason there has been no sign of debate. Of course, it is possible to suffer from severe mental health issues and still strategize, as Trump himself is doing.

Unfortunately, due to the peculiarity of the "clawback" law in just one state, there is an incentive to avoid confirming if the unresponsiveness to the last 50+ requests for links supported debate is the result of medical disorder, racism aggravated by medical disorder, or a combination of the two. Just as parents deliberately excluded from affordable healthcare coverage in 12 red states by Trump party legislatures and governors refusing medicaid expansion as ACA intended would be hesitant to increase the likelihood of economic ruin by exposing their school age children to school attendance, parents in Arkansas are economically motivated to avoid mental health evaluation potentially exposing their children for the cost of the long term care of the disease of a parent.

Call the last five years what it is, the birther movement was the shot across the bow.

Uppity negro in the White House who was not a janitor or a plantation negro ushered in the era of "race war".
If they can't keep it, "same as it ever was", right down to dirty air and water and energy inefficient vehicles, it's looking like they're content to burn it all down. Nuthin' personal...:

Quote
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/meet-the-press/biden-opens-11-point-national-lead-over-trump-nbc-news-n1233913
July 15, 2020, 5:00 PM EDT
By Mark Murray

.....Trump is ahead among all white voters (49 percent to 42 percent), men (45 percent to 43 percent) and whites without college degrees (57 percent to 35 percent).
......


Donald Trump wants you to hurt your own child for his re-election. Join the fight and say #NotMyChild.

youtube https://www.youtubeDOTcom/watch?v=E88JVaxsCro /youtube

Some observations, and warnings. States, county, and city governments find themselves in dire financial straits due to the interruption in revenue streams resulting from covid-19 effects on economic activity. They will all reduce services and seek innovative methods never widely resorted to previously to collect revenue to literally attempt to continue to function.

At this link, below the U.S. states map (duplicated at the bottom this post)
https://www.kff.org/medicaid/issue-brief/status-of-state-medicaid-expansion-decisions-interactive-map/
....read of the detailed lunacy, state by state, of the republican/Trump party state legislatures and governors in their nine years effort to deny legislative accomplishment to "the negro in the White House", first by relabeling the ACA as "Obamacare" in an effort to disparage this vital and prescient health care reform resulting in elimination of pre-existing medical conditions as disqualifying affordability by private health insurance issuers to all but the wealthiest.

Just three states, combine population of 58 million, Texas, Florida, and Georgia, "enjoy" at least 5 million residents without affordable healthcare coverage during covid-19 pandemic.

VS in California, a state of 40 million with almost all qualified under ACA medicaid expansion are protected with affordable healthcare coverage and have the ability, economically, to seek timely treatment for symptoms of illness instead of dragging themselves to their jobs until their illness feels acute enough to seek much more expensive ER diagnosis and care, the cost unreimbursed  to states still refusing to accept ACA medicaid expansion.

Why would any of the primarily working poor parents in states denying ACA medicaid expansion coverage to them, risk sending their kids into schools without adequate access to testing or followup tracing, while risking their kids bringing covid-19 home from schools, raising the risk of parents with no affordable healthcare coverage and the risk of needing medical care resulting in economic ruin?

Lay offs of state and local government employees are only at the early stages. Moscow Donald & Mitch blocked legislating direct aid to help states and local governments continue to provide services during this crisis while continuing to employ as many as needed to maintain vital services and efficient government while addressing local pandemic response.

The "Moscow Boys" claimed the need was primarily in blue states and there was little political benefit in appropriating financial aid too states in which the majority do not vote Trump party and providing temporary financial support would be rewarding fiscally irresponsible states with large unfunded pension obligations, such as Illinois. It mattered not that Moscow Mitch's state of Kentucky is one of the two poorest states and also has a "top ten" unfunded pension obligation.

In this example, it seems wise to avoid burdening the kids down the road by at least trying to "nip in the bud", the health disorder we've witnessed in a plethora symptoms filled posts. The alternative is to heavily burden the kids down the road. This is not a set up for improvement, if left unevaluated and untreated. The illness, similarly to covid-19, is not going to just disappear.

"Many people don't know" that in 26 states, children can be held financially for the $5,000 monthly cost of long term care each state medicaid program pays for the majority of elderly who require such care.

This state, however, has a narrower requirement for children to pay back medicaid.:

Quote
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filial_responsibility_laws#cite_note-8
......
1.  Arkansas law can only require payment for adult mental care.
........
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 17, 2020, 07:36:43 PM
If, in fact, there is no facts supported debate out of consideration of a strategy to insulate certain Arkansas children from potential financial responsibility under that state's unusual law, it would tend to rule out anything other than racism as the primary reason there has been no sign of debate. Of course, it is possible to suffer from severe mental health issues and still strategize, as Trump himself is doing.

Unfortunately, due to the peculiarity of the "clawback" law in just one state, there is an incentive to avoid confirming if the unresponsiveness to the last 50+ requests for links supported debate is the result of medical disorder, racism aggravated by medical disorder, or a combination of the two. Just as parents deliberately excluded from affordable healthcare coverage in 12 red states by Trump party legislatures and governors refusing medicaid expansion as ACA intended would be hesitant to increase the likelihood of economic ruin by exposing their school age children to school attendance, parents in Arkansas are economically motivated to avoid mental health evaluation potentially exposing their children for the cost of the long term care of the disease of a parent.
......


Some observations, and warnings. States, county, and city governments find themselves in dire financial straits due to the interruption in revenue streams resulting from covid-19 effects on economic activity. They will all reduce services and seek innovative methods never widely resorted to previously to collect revenue to literally attempt to continue to function.

At this link, below the U.S. states map (duplicated at the bottom this post)
https://www.kff.org/medicaid/issue-brief/status-of-state-medicaid-expansion-decisions-interactive-map/
....read of the detailed lunacy, state by state, of the republican/Trump party state legislatures and governors in their nine years effort to deny legislative accomplishment to "the negro in the White House", first by relabeling the ACA as "Obamacare" in an effort to disparage this vital and prescient health care reform resulting in elimination of pre-existing medical conditions as disqualifying affordability by private health insurance issuers to all but the wealthiest.

Just three states, combine population of 58 million, Texas, Florida, and Georgia, "enjoy" at least 5 million residents without affordable healthcare coverage during covid-19 pandemic.

VS in California, a state of 40 million with almost all qualified under ACA medicaid expansion are protected with affordable healthcare coverage and have the ability, economically, to seek timely treatment for symptoms of illness instead of dragging themselves to their jobs until their illness feels acute enough to seek much more expensive ER diagnosis and care, the cost unreimbursed  to states still refusing to accept ACA medicaid expansion.

Why would any of the primarily working poor parents in states denying ACA medicaid expansion coverage to them, risk sending their kids into schools without adequate access to testing or followup tracing, while risking their kids bringing covid-19 home from schools, raising the risk of parents with no affordable healthcare coverage and the risk of needing medical care resulting in economic ruin?

Lay offs of state and local government employees are only at the early stages. Moscow Donald & Mitch blocked legislating direct aid to help states and local governments continue to provide services during this crisis while continuing to employ as many as needed to maintain vital services and efficient government while addressing local pandemic response.

The "Moscow Boys" claimed the need was primarily in blue states and there was little political benefit in appropriating financial aid too states in which the majority do not vote Trump party and providing temporary financial support would be rewarding fiscally irresponsible states with large unfunded pension obligations, such as Illinois. It mattered not that Moscow Mitch's state of Kentucky is one of the two poorest states and also has a "top ten" unfunded pension obligation.

In this example, it seems wise to avoid burdening the kids down the road by at least trying to "nip in the bud", the health disorder we've witnessed in a plethora symptoms filled posts. The alternative is to heavily burden the kids down the road. This is not a set up for improvement, if left unevaluated and untreated. The illness, similarly to covid-19, is not going to just disappear.

"Many people don't know" that in 26 states, children can be held financially for the $5,000 monthly cost of long term care each state medicaid program pays for the majority of elderly who require such care.

This state, however, has a narrower requirement for children to pay back medicaid.:
........
Fascinating.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 17, 2020, 08:59:48 PM
Nobody, except some whining GOP Trump supporters watching Fox News, cares about the fake "scandals" the Republicans come up with on a regular basis. They didn't care about Bengazhi, which the Republicans investigated 9 times and found nothing, the so-called Clinton "e-mail scandal" that went nowhere, the alleged but never proven Burisma/Hunter Biden "corruption scandal", and nobody sure as hell cares about this so-call "spying crap".

Fox News is already preparing it's viewers for a delayed Burham report, likely until after the elections, for the simple reason that there is no there there. And Joe Biden doesn't have to explain anything to losers like Storing. Unmasking was part of his job, period!

If anybody needs to explain something it's Trump. He should tell all of us why he divided the country, let 137.000 people die of Covid-19, caused a record breaking recession and massive unemployment as well as why he is in court right now to try and take away the healthcare coverage of millions under the affordable care act in the middle of a pandemic. That's what the voters will care about in November and that's why Trump will go down in flames......

Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Thomas Graves on July 17, 2020, 09:13:24 PM
Nobody, except some whining GOP Trump supporters watching Fox News, cares about the fake "scandals" the Republicans come up with on a regular basis. They didn't care about Bengazhi, which the Republicans investigated 9 times and found nothing, the so-called Clinton "e-mail scandal" that went nowhere, the alleged but never proven Burisma/Hunter Biden "corruption scandal", and nobody sure as hell cares about this so-call "spying crap".

Fox News is already preparing it's viewers for a delayed Burham report, likely until after the elections, for the simple reason that there is no there there. And Joe Biden doesn't have to explain anything to losers like Storing. Unmasking was part of his job, period!

If anybody needs to explain something it's Trump. He should tell all of us why he divided the country, let 137.000 people die of Covid-19, caused a record breaking recession and massive unemployment as well as why he is in court right now to try and take away the healthcare coverage of millions under the affordable care act in the middle of a pandemic. That's what the voters will care about in November and that's why Trump will go down in flames......

And why he hasn't called our Vladimir Putin for placing bounties on our troops.

-- MWT ;)
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 17, 2020, 09:58:08 PM
  Since when is UNMASKING part of the VP's Job??  You need to get off that Spanish Island you are hiding at and separate Yourself from that Local Hootch you are consuming. "VP's JOB"?  HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 17, 2020, 10:01:46 PM
  Since when is UNMASKING part of the VP's Job??  You need to get off that Spanish Island you are hiding at and separate Yourself from that Local Hootch you are consuming. "VP's JOB"?  HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

NEVER answers ANY question. Cannot defend the lunatic in the WH. Runs and hides from any and all debate. Sure, they seek out his counsel. My turn. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 17, 2020, 10:08:14 PM
And why he hasn't called our Vladimir Putin for placing bounties on our troops.

-- MWT ;)

   Even MORE Fake News being Parroted around here.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 17, 2020, 10:11:34 PM
  Since when is UNMASKING part of the VP's Job??  You need to get off that Spanish Island you are hiding at and separate Yourself from that Local Hootch you are consuming. "VP's JOB"?  HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Since when is UNMASKING part of the VP's Job??

Just how dumb can somebody be? If it wasn't part of his job, he wouldn't have been able to do it..... My 8 year old grandchild gets this, so why don't you?
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 17, 2020, 10:15:09 PM
Since when is UNMASKING part of the VP's Job??

Just how dumb can somebody be? If it wasn't part of his job, he wouldn't have been able to do it..... My 8 year old grandchild gets this, so why don't you?

    Based on the "Logic" employed above, Everything Nixon did was therefore "Part of his job". Guess Tricky Dick resigned for nothing.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 17, 2020, 10:15:42 PM
Since when is UNMASKING part of the VP's Job??

Just how dumb can somebody be? If it wasn't part of his job, he wouldn't have been able to do it..... My 8 year old grandchild gets this, so why don't you?

Your 8 year old grandchild is better educated.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 17, 2020, 10:22:40 PM
Storing? We laugh at you. This is the reason. Trump flips out after Fox’s Chris Wallace tells him Joe Biden doesn’t support defunding police.

Eric W. Dolan

President Donald Trump interrupted an interview with Chris Wallace on Friday, after the Fox News host told him that former Vice President Joe Biden does not want to “defund” police departments.

The incident occurred as the two were discussing a rise in crime.

“It’s because they want to defund the police — and Biden wants to defund the police,” Trump said.

“Sir, he does not,” Wallace interjected.

“Look, he signed a charter with Bernie Sanders,” Trump began.

“And it says nothing about defunding the police,” Wallace insisted.

“Oh really? It says abolish. It says — let’s go. Get me the charter, please,” Trump said, interrupting the interview.

Wallace said that Trump had an aide retrieve the charter in question. But the president failed to find language about defunding the police after reading through it.

Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 17, 2020, 10:28:07 PM

  Another Biden Flip-Flop. The Flip occurred IMMEDIATELY after Trump got the Cop Union Endorsement just the other day. The same Union that had previously endorsed Obama/Biden 2 times. You guys that Rely on Fake News would Not Know this.  Ma & Pa Kettle KNOW due to Biden having voiced his Defund position on a previous "interview".
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 17, 2020, 10:41:14 PM
McConnell has ‘given up’ on Trump’s re-election and is making plans to handcuff Biden:

Tom Boggioni

In a column for the Washington Post, longtime political observer Paul Waldman pondered the fact that Donald Trump and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell both know that the economy is headed for another collapse due to the coronavirus pandemic unless Congress comes up with another stimulus package — and yet they seem in no hurry to avert the fall.

Viewing their intransigence, Waldman admits it “seems like a crazy question to ask, they face an electoral catastrophe that might be mitigated by easing America’s economic pain,” but they seem more interested in small political victories rather trying to stop the inevitable downward spiral if they don’t step in and agree to another massive bail-out.

In the case of Trump, the columnist said the president is hampered by his “combination of ignorance and his own peculiar personality flaws,” and “simply doesn’t understand what the country needs.”

McConnell, he suggests, has other reasons.

Writing, “He [McConnell] has already given up on the idea of Trump being reelected, and he’s planning for the future,” Waldman said the Kentucky Republican would rather the economy continue to flounder about under the current president and let former Vice President Joe Biden inherit a mess — then blame him if he doesn’t clean it up quickly.

As Waldman wrote, “McConnell knows what’s happening. He has surely looked around and realized that with the pandemic surging, there is simply no way the economy is going to come roaring back before November,” adding that McConnell, “…understands that the odds his party will retain control of the Senate are probably 50-50 at best.”

“From where he [McConnell] sits, the best outcome now may be to use the next stimulus package to win some minor ideological victories, but not allow it to be substantial enough to set the stage for a genuine recovery,” he wrote before suggesting,  “… if and when Biden becomes president in 2021, the situation will be no less dire than it is now — and maybe more so. And the worse things are in the country at that point, the better it is for Republicans. Just as they did when Barack Obama was president, they can blame Democrats for their own mistakes, then force austerity measures that sabotage the economy and slow the recovery.”

Adding that only someone who was singularly “amoral” would be willing to allow the continuing destruction of the country to advance his personal agenda , Waldman dryly stated: “In other words, you’d have to be Mitch McConnell.”
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 17, 2020, 10:42:53 PM
  Another Biden Flip-Flop. The Flip occurred IMMEDIATELY after Trump got the Cop Union Endorsement just the other day. The same Union that had previously endorsed Obama/Biden 2 times. You guys that Rely on Fake News would Not Know this.  Ma & Pa Kettle KNOW due to Biden having voiced his Defund position on a previous "interview".

So Fox News is now fake news? Glad we finally agree.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 17, 2020, 10:56:30 PM
So Fox News is now fake news? Glad we finally agree.

Haven't you heard? Fox News has never really been on Donald Trump's side..... Oh wait, they haven't used that one yet   :D
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 17, 2020, 10:59:21 PM
  You HATERS have a very Old View of FOX News. There are several people there that are Never Trumpers. This is what happens when YOU Restrict your sources of information. You get outta step with Reality. Regarding that McConnell Tripe, the Repubs are going to win the Alabama Seat = a +4 Advantage. You tell me where the Dem's are going to pick up at Least 4 Senate Seats. Trump being re-elected means You need at Least 5 due to the Repub's having the tiebreaker/VP. These are the "Sources" you people like to Follow and Parrot. These Dummies are playing to an ill informed group of Malcontents that cheer on Rioters, Looters, and Pestilence. Ma & Pa Kettle's across this country KNOW the Reality of what is happening across this country. Law & Order vs Anarchy!
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 17, 2020, 11:11:58 PM
  You HATERS have a very Old View of FOX News. There are several people there that are Never Trumpers. This is what happens when YOU Restrict your sources of information. You get outta step with Reality. Regarding that McConnell Tripe, the Repubs are going to win the Alabama Seat = a +4 Advantage. You tell me where the Dem's are going to pick up at Least 4 Senate Seats. Trump being re-elected means You need at Least 5 due to the Repub's having the tiebreaker/VP. These are the "Sources" you people like to Follow and Parrot. These Dummies are playing to an ill informed group of Malcontents that cheer on Rioters, Looters, and Pestilence. Ma & Pa Kettle's across this country KNOW the Reality of what is happening across this country. Law & Order vs Anarchy!

The “never Trumpists” at Fox as YOU call them are actual journalists not the FAKE opinionists in their prime time line-up. Wow, you’re knowledge of politics is shamefully ignorant. ANY GOP Senator still attached to Trump on 11/3 is history. By mid August the GOP will be deserting Trump as if his name was Storing. Trump, as usual lied AGAIN when he stated Biden wanted to defund police departments. Wallace called him out on the lie as we, on this forum call YOU out about all your BS. Who’s seeking your counsel now? HAHAHAHA.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 17, 2020, 11:15:28 PM

  I have seen the Biden "interview" regarding his "Defund" position. Seen it several times. YOU, relying on Limited Sources of Information are in-the-dark. Too Bad, Too True.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 17, 2020, 11:28:14 PM
  I have seen the Biden "interview" regarding his "Defund" position. Seen it several times. YOU, relying on Limited Sources of Information are in-the-dark. Too Bad, Too True.

I have seen the Biden "interview" regarding his "Defund" position. Seen it several times.

Of course you have....  you saw it at the same place you see those internals of yours.......in your limited imagination

Isn't it just amazing how you can see all these things that nobody else can see..... Wasn't there a word for something like that?
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 17, 2020, 11:38:44 PM

  So are You claiming the Defund "Interview" never took place? Or, are You running away from another issue like You did with claiming the Dem's were going to pick up at Least 4 Senate Seats? You're in WAY over your head. This frequently happens with Parrots.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 17, 2020, 11:40:37 PM
  I have seen the Biden "interview" regarding his "Defund" position. Seen it several times. YOU, relying on Limited Sources of Information are in-the-dark. Too Bad, Too True.

Well, apparently the numb nuts in the WH hasn’t seen it, now has he? On national TV he couldn’t defend his statement. How embarrassing. Much like yourself, the POTUS is incapable of supporting a thing he says. Going, going, GONE!
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 17, 2020, 11:42:19 PM
  So are You claiming the Defund "Interview" never took place? Or, are You running away from another issue like You did with claiming the Dem's were going to pick up at Least 4 Senate Seats? You're in WAY over your head. This frequently happens with Parrots.

The guy who parrots Fox News 24/7 suddenly doesn’t want to parrot Fox news. My turn again. HAHAHAHA.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 17, 2020, 11:43:10 PM
  That's it, backpedal when getting pummeled.  And it's "Never TRUMPERS". Try to get 1 Thing Right before this Day is Over.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 17, 2020, 11:46:46 PM
  So are You claiming the Defund "Interview" never took place? Or, are You running away from another issue like You did with claiming the Dem's were going to pick up at Least 4 Senate Seats? You're in WAY over your head. This frequently happens with Parrots.

So are You claiming the Defund "Interview" never took place?

You said you saw it. Well shows us... it should be easy to find on YouTube.

Or, are You running away from another issue like You did with claiming the Dem's were going to pick up at Least 4 Senate Seats?

Who's running? The Democrats are not going to pick up at least 4 Senate seats.... it will be way more than that. The idiotic Republicans have made sure of that!
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 17, 2020, 11:47:05 PM
  That's it, backpedal when getting pummeled.  And it's "Never TRUMPERS". Try to get 1 Thing Right before this Day is Over.

Backpedal? I’ve challenged you to debate 1 on 1 5 different times. Your response. You hide. You run. You divert. You’re a coward. You and your POTUS. No difference.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 17, 2020, 11:47:55 PM
  I have told You Guys repeatedly that I only occasionally watch FOX News. I watch a lotta News. It's part of my job. You on the other hand choose to Restrict your sources of Info/News. Just look at Tapper NOW beginning to step Toward the Light. It might take a while, but the moth is attracted to the flame. Perhaps YOU will be next?
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 17, 2020, 11:50:15 PM

  I get a Thrill when people I am Not directly addressing respond to my posts. It's an "if the shoe fits wear it" Trap that they stupidly fall into. Too Easy!
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 17, 2020, 11:52:03 PM
  I have told You Guys repeatedly that I only occasionally watch FOX News. I watch a lotta News. It's part of my job. You on the other hand choose to Restrict your sources of Info/News. Just look at Tapper NOW beginning to step Toward the Light. It might take a while, but the moth is attracted to the flame. Perhaps YOU will be next?

You claim the GOP “seeks my counsel”. You can’t even find 3 people on this forum who believe ONE thing you say. What does watching news have to do with your “job”? Watching tutorials on how to empty garbage cans?
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 17, 2020, 11:54:30 PM
  I have told You Guys repeatedly that I only occasionally watch FOX News. I watch a lotta News. It's part of my job. You on the other hand choose to Restrict your sources of Info/News. Just look at Tapper NOW beginning to step Toward the Light. It might take a while, but the moth is attracted to the flame. Perhaps YOU will be next?

I have told You Guys repeatedly that I only occasionally watch FOX News.

OAN is probably more your thing right now

I watch a lotta News.

And here was I thinking you got your information from other sources than I do.....


When you prepare a list of all the people who, according to Trump himself, are against him, you can only wonder where he is going to find those few people (voters) that are not on that list.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 17, 2020, 11:55:13 PM

  How do those shoes fit Jr?
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 17, 2020, 11:55:45 PM
  I get a Thrill when people I am Not directly addressing respond to my posts. It's an "if the shoe fits wear it" Trap that they stupidly fall into. Too Easy!

So genius, you haven’t a clue how a public forum works? Seriously? ANYBODY can respond to your everyday ignorance. That’s the purpose of a PUBLIC forum. Who’s seeking your counsel??? One more time: HAHAHAHA.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 17, 2020, 11:56:57 PM
  I get a Thrill when people I am Not directly addressing respond to my posts. It's an "if the shoe fits wear it" Trap that they stupidly fall into. Too Easy!

  How do those shoes fit Jr?

So you were addressing me directly after all.... What a clown!

Give Storing enough rope.....
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 17, 2020, 11:59:28 PM
  "I can't find 3 people"? HATERS were rejected by this Forum at almost a 3-1 Clip. And if You do Not think that vote directly involved Myself, you are without a doubt Politically Tone Deaf. Like within the Electorate, there is a Silent Majority here at this Forum. YOU are in a very Small Minority that makes a lot of Noise.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 18, 2020, 12:01:50 AM

  You obviously have No Grasp as to what, "If the shoe fits wear it" means. Once again Proving why the moniker "Jr" is a perfect fit.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 18, 2020, 12:06:04 AM
  "I can't find 3 people"? HATERS were rejected by this Forum at almost a 3-1 Clip. And if You do Not think that vote directly involved Myself, you are without a doubt Politically Tone Deaf. Like within the Electorate, there is a Silent Majority here at this Forum. YOU are in a very Small Minority that makes a lot of Noise.

"I can't find 3 people"?

Well, where are they?

HATERS were rejected by this Forum at almost a 3-1 Clip.

Yeah, and Trump completely prevented a covid-19 outbreak by "closing down" travel with China in January.

there is a Silent Majority here at this Forum.

You mistake people who want nothing to do with you with a non-existent "silent majority"
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 18, 2020, 12:09:01 AM
  You obviously have No Grasp as to what, "If the shoe fits wear it" means. Once again Proving why the moniker "Jr" is a perfect fit.

Just to be clear; are you addressing me or is this just another post to "people I am Not directly addressing"?

Btw I'm sorry that you are unable to understand even the most basic of comments I make, but I can't dumb it down any more.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 18, 2020, 12:34:16 AM
"I can't find 3 people"?

Well, where are they?

HATERS were rejected by this Forum at almost a 3-1 Clip.

Yeah, and Trump completely prevented a covid-19 outbreak by "closing down" travel with China in January.

there is a Silent Majority here at this Forum.

You mistake people who want nothing to do with you with a non-existent "silent majority"

Perfect!
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 18, 2020, 12:45:52 AM

  This smacks of Hillary Refusing to accept the 2016 Electoral College Results. Way to go PARROTS!
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 18, 2020, 12:47:28 AM
  This smacks of Hillary Refusing to accept the 2016 Electoral College Results. Way to go PARROTS!

Are those voices in your head or does this BS come to you when you are asleep?
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 18, 2020, 01:06:10 AM
You HATERS have a very Old View of FOX News. There are several people there that are Never Trumpers. This is what happens when YOU Restrict your sources of information. You get outta step with Reality. Regarding that McConnell Tripe, the Repubs are going to win the Alabama Seat = a +4 Advantage. You tell me where the Dem's are going to pick up at Least 4 Senate Seats. Trump being re-elected means You need at Least 5 due to the Repub's having the tiebreaker/VP. These are the "Sources" you people like to Follow and Parrot. These Dummies are playing to an ill informed group of Malcontents that cheer on Rioters, Looters, and Pestilence. Ma & Pa Kettle's across this country KNOW the Reality of what is happening across this country. Law & Order vs Anarchy!


Ma and Pa Kettles are currently getting sick from COVID-19 that their orange messiah lied to them about. Now they know it is not a "hoax" and they are outraged. Chuck Woolery is a perfect example. Sent out a tweet claiming COVID-19 is a "hoax". The very next day, Woolery announced his son was diagnosed with COVID-19 and he deleted his Twitter account in disgrace.

Donald Trump's base is eroding, they see he is failure who is unable to protect them. "I alone can fix it" he said, but what has Donald Trump done? Nothing. He said he "takes no responsibility' and passed the buck to the Governors to deal with. Now COVID-19 is ravaging Florida. Floridians are not voting for Donald Trump who left them a disease ridden state along with a stooge Governor that does whatever Donald Trump tells him to.

The economy sucks, each week millions more file for unemployment, each state is riddled with coronavirus, massive numbers of people are sick and dying, 75% say the country is in the wrong direction, people feel hopeless, scared, can't do what they used to do because of weak failed leadership. The majority of Americans want Donald Trump gone and are not going to vote having 4 more years of this crap.

This Law and Order garbage appears to be a political stunt to appeal to his deranged base. The fact is Donald Trump's base isn't big enough to win an election. Even the right wing polls and Donald Trump's own internal polls show him losing in a landslide.

Joe Biden has 249 Electoral Votes locked in. All he needs is Florida to go over 270 and he has a nice lead 6 point lead in the state. Also Wisconsin and Pennsylvania gets Biden over the top where he has big 10 point and 9 point leads. And that's not even including Arizona, Ohio, North Carolina, and red states of Georgia and Texas Biden is leading in. Then we have the ruby red states of Utah, Montana, Missouri, Arkansas Donald Trump is barely leading in. He is going to have to defend his own red states while Biden can focus on Florida to win.             

As for the Senate, Democrats have huge leads in Arizona and Colorado. That's two seats. Cunningham has a wide 8 point lead in North Carolina. That's a third seat. "Concerned" Susan Collins is losing in Maine. That's 4 seats. Democrats have leads in Montana, and Iowa. Lindsey Graham is tied in South Carolina. Also both Georgia seats are in play. And finally latest polls show Doug Jones tied in Alabama.

Biden has a 15 point nationwide lead which means another wipe out just like in 2018. Biden is going to win in a massive landslide with Democrats expanding their lead in the House and a minimum of 54 Senate seats.

People had enough of the lies, corruption, death, and destruction Donald Trump and the GOP has given us. Donald Trump has failed making America worse than it was 4 years ago. 70,000 Republicans voted against Donald Trump in the Pennsylvania primary in the middle of a pandemic to make a statement, this is going to happen nationwide.

Royell only can post propaganda with zero facts or evidence.       
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 18, 2020, 01:17:01 AM
Some reading material

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/07/panic-is-gripping-the-senate-races-trumps-crumbling-poll-numbers-threatens-gop-control-of-congress/

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/07/steve-schmidt-goes-on-epic-rant-and-demands-oregons-governor-arrest-trumps-secret-police-in-portland/

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/07/watch-trump-flips-out-after-foxs-chris-wallace-tells-him-joe-biden-doesnt-support-defunding-police/

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/07/desperate-republicans-have-decided-to-go-all-out-with-a-deeply-disturbing-attack-on-cities/
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 18, 2020, 01:35:19 AM
  NO Candidate Currently has any Electoral Votes "Locked In". This is Exactly why No one pays Any Attention to your Mindlessly Endless posting. But please keep it up. It is this type of "it's all over" mindset that gets Dems to stay home come Nov.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 18, 2020, 01:46:59 AM
  NO Candidate Currently has any Electoral Votes "Locked In". This is Exactly why No one pays Any Attention to your Mindlessly Endless posting. But please keep it up. It is this type of "it's all over" mind set that gets Dems to stay home come Nov.

So, now you are hoping that Trump might win because the Democrats will not show up to vote..... Talk about desperation!

Are you really that foolish that you think the Democrats haven't learned from their mistake in 2016?
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 18, 2020, 01:49:39 AM

 The smaller the turnout the Better for an Incumbent in Any Election. Come on Jr. Stop acting like a 5th grader running for the Student Council.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 18, 2020, 01:53:32 AM
  NO Candidate Currently has any Electoral Votes "Locked In". This is Exactly why No one pays Any Attention to your Mindlessly Endless posting. But please keep it up. It is this type of "it's all over" mindset that gets Dems to stay home come Nov.

The maniacal ramblings of a lunatic mind. I’m not counting votes in July, popular or otherwise. Trump, the crime lord, conman, grifter will use every illegal means at his disposal to steal this election. That’s who he is. He has no choice. GOP has to dump this loser, sooner rather than later and they know it.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 18, 2020, 01:57:02 AM
The smaller the turnout the Better for an Incumbent in Any Election. Come on Jr. Stop acting like a 5th grader running for the Student Council.

Which is why GOP governors are closing voting sites throughout the country, more specifically in poorer precincts. It worked in 2016 so they’ll try it again. This is what you support. Pathetic.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 18, 2020, 02:00:40 AM
NO Candidate Currently has any Electoral Votes "Locked In". This is Exactly why No one pays Any Attention to your Mindlessly Endless posting. But please keep it up. It is this type of "it's all over" mindset that gets Dems to stay home come Nov.


 :D  :D :D

More failed propaganda. No Dem is going to "stay home". They want Donald Trump gone and all the polls show it so they are going to make it happen. 

When a state is a solid win those votes are locked in. The only people who are staying home are Republicans who can't stand Donald Trump but doesn't want to vote for Biden. Each less vote for Donald Trump is a win for Biden. People came out in a pandemic to vote for Biden. They will crawl over glass to vote Donald Trump out of office.   

   
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 18, 2020, 02:03:01 AM
The smaller the turnout the Better for an Incumbent in Any Election. Come on Jr. Stop acting like a 5th grader running for the Student Council.

The vote against Donald Trump is going to be massive.

Ha ha Royell   


JUST IN: The Supreme Court just expedited the implementation of its ruling in VANCE. This is about two weeks earlier than the ruling would typically take effect, and Trump didn't object.

The House is asking for similar consideration in Mazars but Trump has opposed that effort.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EdJONqsWoAUaJRr?format=png)

Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 18, 2020, 02:14:09 AM
  Calif the bastion of Liberalism/Anarchy has closed THOUSANDS of their Polling Places. Are YOU claiming Gov Newsom did this to Aid Trump?  You are Consumed with "Trump Derangement Syndrome" to the point that you make absolutely No Sense what-so-ever.  Stop watching/getting your Information from FAKE NEWS Sources. All this does is further your current Dark Journey to a point of No Return.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 18, 2020, 02:17:17 AM
Calif the bastion of Liberalism/Anarchy has closed THOUSANDS of their Polling Places. Are YOU claiming Gov Newsom did this to Aid Trump?  You are Consumed with "Trump Derangement Syndrome" to the point that you make absolutely No Sense what-so-ever.  Stop watching/getting your Information from FAKE NEWS Sources. All this does is further your current Dark Journey to a point of No Return.

 :D :D :D

When your bogus propaganda is exposed you move on to another one. That's all you have because Donald Trump is a failure and people can't wait to vote him out so he can be indicted.   

Trump taxes subpoena fight can resume quickly after Supreme Court action
https://whdh.com/news/trump-taxes-subpoena-fight-can-resume-quickly-after-supreme-court-action/

Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 18, 2020, 02:22:49 AM

  Not meant for You.  ::)
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 18, 2020, 02:23:15 AM
  Calif the bastion of Liberalism/Anarchy has closed THOUSANDS of their Polling Places. Are YOU claiming Gov Newsom did this to Aid Trump?  You are Consumed with "Trump Derangement Syndrome" to the point that you make absolutely No Sense what-so-ever.  Stop watching/getting your Information from FAKE NEWS Sources. All this does is further your current Dark Journey to a point of No Return.

So, you’re totally unfamiliar with the voter choice act??? Yet, you claim the GOP “seeks your council”??? Give them their money back.

More counties in California are moving away from neighborhood polling locales in favor of vote centers, an expanding election model designed to boost voter participation.

Though fewer in number than traditional polling locations, vote centers are open up to 10 days before the election and allow anyone registered in their county to vote in-person or drop off a mail-in ballot.

The new model was established by the Voter’s Choice Act. It allows counties to opt-in to the new system and requires them to send vote-by-mail ballots to all registered voters in their county.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 18, 2020, 02:29:28 AM

  Hilarious! Calif Gov Newsom CLOSES/ELIMINATES Polling Places and YOU claim this is being done to "BOOST voter participation". Repub Gov's do it and YOU claim it is being done to Reduce Voter Participation. This is where You are at. Watching Fake News and Unable to defend your Parroting their  BS:
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 18, 2020, 02:31:36 AM
So, you’re totally unfamiliar with the voter choice act??? Yet, you claim the GOP “seeks your council”??? Give them their money back.

More counties in California are moving away from neighborhood polling locales in favor of vote centers, an expanding election model designed to boost voter participation.

Though fewer in number than traditional polling locations, vote centers are open up to 10 days before the election and allow anyone registered in their county to vote in-person or drop off a mail-in ballot.

The new model was established by the Voter’s Choice Act. It allows counties to opt-in to the new system and requires them to send vote-by-mail ballots to all registered voters in their county.

Royell doesn't have a clue about anything. He listens to far right wing garbage like OANN and Q morons while he pretends he is an "insider". Twitter is full of those clowns who operate under anonymous accounts. He is here to promote propaganda for Donald Trump but is failing on all accounts. Never once has he ever provided any legitimate sources like he claimed COVID-19 was ending in 2 weeks and the US will have better numbers than the rest of the world. He jumps from one conspiracy to the next after his b.s. has been exposed. He is a never ending loop of propaganda and disinformation.         
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 18, 2020, 02:35:46 AM
Hilarious! Calif Gov Newsom CLOSES/ELIMINATES Polling Places and YOU claim this is being done to "BOOST voter participation". Repub Gov's do it and YOU claim it is being done to Reduce Voter Participation. This is where You are at. Watching Fake News and Unable to defend your Parroting their  BS:

The parroter of BS: is you. An endless loop of bogus propaganda.


The California Voter’s Choice Act aims to make voting more convenient and accessible. Eligible voters in participating counties will be able to choose when, where, and how they cast their ballot.

https://voterschoice.org/

Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 18, 2020, 02:42:58 AM
  Hilarious! Calif Gov Newsom CLOSES/ELIMINATES Polling Places and YOU claim this is being done to "BOOST voter participation". Repub Gov's do it and YOU claim it is being done to Reduce Voter Participation. This is where You are at. Watching Fake News and Unable to defend your Parroting their  BS:

Yes, that’s exactly what it does. GOP Govs have closed precincts in many of the poorest precincts in America. That’s a fact YOU and the idiot in the WH have no problem with. You claim to be a GOP “consultant” and yet, you apparently don’t even know what’s happening in an election year so......you just lie and lie some more. The term by the way is polling precincts, not polling places. You’re likely the dumbest consultant within the GOP world of consultants. You prove exactly that with each posting. Hilarious.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 18, 2020, 02:44:13 AM
  And here YOU are claiming to Not be a Parrot? That blather of yours is right outta the Act itself   :D
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 18, 2020, 02:52:29 AM
  And here YOU are claiming to Not be a Parrot? That blather of yours is right outta the Act itself   :D

And you prove it again. Cannot make this up. Just like the idiot in the WH. From the Roy Cohn school of larceny. Deny, deny, deny, no matter how truthful it may be. You old man are EMBARRASSING. Still hilarious.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 18, 2020, 02:56:26 AM
  Well, YOU got that Wrong. What New?  I have Never claimed to be a "GOP" Consultant. Consultants work wherever needed/$$$. I also have been well trained in "Plumbing" which can come in handy. "Hazardous Pay"  then sweetens the pot.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 18, 2020, 03:01:30 AM
  Well, YOU got that Wrong. What New?  I have Never claimed to be a "GOP" Consultant. Consultants work wherever needed/$$$. I also have been well trained in "Plumbing" which can come in handy. "Hazardous Pay"  then sweetens the pot.

You stated on this forum “my counsel is sought”. Are you once again lying?
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 18, 2020, 03:04:50 AM
  Well, YOU got that Wrong. What New?  I have Never claimed to be a "GOP" Consultant. Consultants work wherever needed/$$$. I also have been well trained in "Plumbing" which can come in handy. "Hazardous Pay"  then sweetens the pot.

I also have been well trained in "Plumbing" which can come in handy.

Now he's a Watergate wannabe.... This stuff is hilarious.

Whatever you do, Royell, don't pull the plug on that brain of yours! Who knows what comes out...
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 18, 2020, 03:05:42 AM
   Your "Trump Derangement Syndrome" has impaired your reading comprehension/mental faculties. You are confining me to the GOP.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 18, 2020, 03:10:29 AM
   Your "Trump Derangement Syndrome" has impaired your reading comprehension/mental faculties. You are confining me to the GOP.

Yawn. Caught lying AGAIN. Have you no shame? Have you no integrity? Have you no honor?
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 18, 2020, 03:14:04 AM
   Your "Trump Derangement Syndrome" has impaired your reading comprehension/mental faculties. You are confining me to the GOP.

And in reality, you should be CONFINED to a mental hospital. No honor, no integrity. Like your mentor a pathological liar. Unfit and unstable.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 18, 2020, 03:16:18 AM

  On display above is "Trump Derangement Syndrome". Steer Clear!
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 18, 2020, 03:26:03 AM
  On display above is "Trump Derangement Syndrome". Steer Clear!

The irony might be lost on you, but the intense dislike of Trump, that you foolishly call "Trump Derangement Syndrome" is exactly what will cause Trump's downfall in November
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 18, 2020, 03:29:36 AM
  On display above is "Trump Derangement Syndrome". Steer Clear!

I’m thrilled people are reading this thread. Caught lying continuously you again revert to your talking points over and over again: Trump derangement syndrome and haters. That’s it. You cannot articulate anything else. Trump has lied everyday in office, 20,000+ times total. You’re no different. An outright liar. You lie about who you are, what you do, why you’re here. If this wasn’t so sad, it would be entertaining rather than embarrassing.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 18, 2020, 03:30:29 AM
  HATE Failed in 2016 and will again. And once again You Guys will be Howling At The Moon for 6 months afterward. Same Old, Same Old.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 18, 2020, 03:33:17 AM

  Yeah I'm glad people are reading this Thread also. You guys monopolize it with your  BS: when I am on the road for a week or 2. I get back and the Silent Majority around here get a breath of Fresh Air. The numbers do Not Lie.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 18, 2020, 03:35:33 AM
  Yeah I'm glad people are reading this Thread also. You guys monopolize it with your  BS: when I am on the road for a week or 2. I get back and the Silent Majority around here get a breath of Fresh Air. The numbers do Not Lie.

Yet the simplest of questions, you cannot answer: why are you here?
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 18, 2020, 03:37:24 AM

  The TRUTH needs to be told. You Fake News Parrots are spewing non-stop  BS:
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 18, 2020, 03:38:07 AM
  Yeah I'm glad people are reading this Thread also. You guys monopolize it with your  BS: when I am on the road for a week or 2. I get back and the Silent Majority around here get a breath of Fresh Air. The numbers do Not Lie.

You mean, when you are on the road for a week or 2 and still register as present on the forum without actually writing anything?
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 18, 2020, 03:42:36 AM

  You continue Proving why I refer to you as "Jr". How old are you? 6 or 7 ?
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 18, 2020, 03:44:11 AM
  The TRUTH needs to be told. You Fake News Parrots are spewing non-stop  BS:

Which truth?

1. The POTUS is a draft dodger
2. The POTUS is a pathological liar.
3. The POTUS is a sexual predator.
4. The POTUS is a narcissist.
5. The POTUS is a racist.
6. The POTUS is a misogynist.
7. The POTUS is a homophobe.
8. The POTUS is a xenophobe.
9. The POTUS is a traitor.

Which truth needs to be told?
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 18, 2020, 03:48:52 AM

  What we see Above is PROOF of the Non-Stop Fake News Parroting that goes on around here 24/7. I am here to Set The Record STRAIGHT!
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 18, 2020, 03:53:32 AM
  You continue Proving why I refer to you as "Jr". How old are you? 6 or 7 ?

Oh poor fellow, do you actually think I'm the only one who noticed you being logged in but not writing anything?
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 18, 2020, 03:53:52 AM
  What we see Above is PROOF of the Non-Stop Fake News Parroting that goes on around here 24/7. I am here to Set The Record STRAIGHT!

Fake news huh? According to whom?
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 18, 2020, 03:55:45 AM
  Steele Documents just released. FISA Court FRAUD once again PROVEN, along with the NY Times also being in cahoots. Stay Tuned for Durham/Barr in late Aug/Early Sept = Maraschino Cherry for Nov 3.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 18, 2020, 04:08:35 AM
  Steele Documents just released. FISA Court FRAUD once again PROVEN, along with the NY Times also being in cahoots. Stay Tuned for Durham/Barr in late Aug/Early Sept = Maraschino Cherry for Nov 3.

Talking points and once again not answering a direct question. Will Barr attempt anything to steal the election for Trump? Of course he will. He’s as criminal as Trump is. Won’t matter. How many Americans will be dead by November? Popular vote. Electoral vote. Those numbers mean nothing. Dying Americans is the magic number. Throw in a broken economy, horrible employment numbers and a society in decay. All on Trump’s watch. The GOP is in revolt. Who fires their campaign manager 104 days before an election? A terribly concerned candidate does. He’ll take the Senate down with him and it will be decades before the GOP recovers if they ever do. And you will be back to emptying garbage cans. Payback is a bitch.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 18, 2020, 04:26:40 AM
Yeah I'm glad people are reading this Thread also. You guys monopolize it with your  BS: when I am on the road for a week or 2. I get back and the Silent Majority around here get a breath of Fresh Air. The numbers do Not Lie.

The imaginary "silent majority" that doesn't exist. We saw the silent majority in Tulsa, OK. Thousands of blue empty seats. Donald Trump isn't even popular in the most conservative city and state in the country. 19,000 seat arena and he barely mustered 6,000. He ridiculously claimed 1 million were coming to see him. The nut is a deranged pathological liar. He had to cancel his New Hampshire hate rally because of low ticket sales and he didn't want to be embarrassed again.

You attempt to monopolize this thread with your conspiracy theory garbage.

You are "out on the road" by logging into your account reading the thread?  :D         
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 18, 2020, 04:30:07 AM
Steele Documents just released. FISA Court FRAUD once again PROVEN, along with the NY Times also being in cahoots. Stay Tuned for Durham/Barr in late Aug/Early Sept = Maraschino Cherry for Nov 3.

 :D :D :D

More diversion and fake propaganda. Royell and his kool aid drinking cult doesn't get it. The overwhelming majority of Americans want Donald Trump gone. No scams or phony stunts are going to change their minds. They are still going to vote against him in mass numbers.       
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 18, 2020, 04:37:15 AM
  Yeah, close to 8 Million People back-to-work in Only 2 months does = a "broken economy"? Not to the Ma & Pa Kettle's across this country.
   
   
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 18, 2020, 04:37:34 AM
Protect Our Kids

After the way Trump has disastrously handled everything in his life and during his time in the White House, do you trust Donald Trump to make health decisions about your child's life?

Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 18, 2020, 04:40:33 AM

  This scare  BS: Stopped working after LBJ used it on Goldwater. The concern regarding kids revolves around the Cops being Cut/$$ by "Fuzzy" Joe!
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 18, 2020, 04:43:20 AM
Yeah, close to 8 Million People back-to-work in Only 2 months does = a "broken economy"? Not to the Ma & Pa Kettle's across this country.

Ma and Pa Kettles are outraged at the broken economy as 1.3 million are unemployed again. Donald Trump's failure continues to haunt millions of Americans. If they aren't losing their job he's killing them with COVID-19. And you think he's going to win.  :D 


Dow Falls 150 Points After Another 1.3 Million Americans File For Unemployment

https://www.forbes.com/sites/sergeiklebnikov/2020/07/16/dow-falls-150-points-after-another-13-million-americans-file-for-unemployment/#31ba4bb77546
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 18, 2020, 04:52:12 AM

  How naive you gonna get? In another month, once again he will be handing out $$$. Your level of Political Savy is embarrassing.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 18, 2020, 04:53:25 AM
This scare  BS: Stopped working after LBJ used it on Goldwater. The concern regarding kids revolves around the Cops being Cut/$$ by "Fuzzy" Joe!

No, cops are not being cut you propagandist. Chris Wallace on Faux called out Dementia Donald as a liar in real time and he lost it on air. Wallace proved no cops are being cut and the kool aid drinkers got to see Donald Trump being called out as a liar.

This isn't a "scare", this is a reality. Shoving kids in school during a deadly pandemic will kill kids and their families. This is another losing issue for Donald Trump and is why he is losing in a landslide. Parents are not going to sacrifice their kids for a lying scumbag.   

Florida in 'red zone' of COVID-19 case growth, report shows
https://www.fox13news.com/news/florida-in-red-zone-of-covid-19-case-growth-report-shows

What Accounts For High Coronavirus Positivity Rates Among Florida Kids?
https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/07/17/892427161/what-accounts-for-high-coronavirus-positivity-rates-among-florida-kids

Coronavirus: Florida reports 11K-plus new cases, 128 more deaths
https://www.wesh.com/article/florida-coronavirus-cases-july-17/33348941

Coronavirus updates: US hits record number of daily COVID-19 cases; union reports deaths after Nevada casinos reopened
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/07/17/covid-19-georgia-governor-sues-atlanta-mayor-florida-record-deaths/5455579002/

Friday’s Coronavirus Numbers: SWFL breaks daily record with 30 new deaths reported; State reports 11,466 new cases

As of 11 a.m. Friday, there have been 327,241 positive cases of the coronavirus recorded in the state. The case count includes 323,002 Florida residents and 4,239 non-Florida residents. There are 4,805 Florida resident deaths reported, 107 non-resident deaths and 20,191 hospitalizations, according to the Florida Department of Health.

https://www.winknews.com/2020/07/17/fridays-coronavirus-numbers-128-new-deaths-reported-in-florida-30-in-swfl/
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 18, 2020, 04:56:53 AM
How naive you gonna get? In another month, once again he will be handing out $$$. Your level of Political Savy is embarrassing.

51 Million Americans Are Unemployed—Here’s The Story Of The Job Seekers Behind The Numbers
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackkelly/2020/07/16/51-million-americans-are-unemployedheres-the-story-of-the-job-seekers-behind-the-numbers/#14885f306ac1


Delusional Royell still doesn't get it. It doesn't matter what Donald Trump does. The overwhelming majority of Americans have already made up their minds and want this traitor gone. 
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 18, 2020, 04:57:40 AM
  Yeah, close to 8 Million People back-to-work in Only 2 months does = a "broken economy"? Not to the Ma & Pa Kettle's across this country.
   
   

Yes, because the GOP insisted the economy be opened early regardless of what the medical experts and science had said. The pandemic today is worse than April and May when your POTUS said it would disappear. Those businesses will close down once again and where will that leave our country? You put your faith in lying politicians hands. Your first mistake. Your second was Trump’s raging narcissism and paranoia: “I alone can fix it”. You backed a loser. A loser his entire life. That makes you the loser you come across as. Mom and dad must be so proud.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 18, 2020, 06:06:17 AM
Fox News Staffers Erupt Over Network’s Racism: Bosses ‘Created a White Supremacist Cell’

A heated early-June phone call between Fox execs and Black staffers was just the beginning of an internal revolt against racism at the network


https://www.thedailybeast.com/fox-news-staffers-erupt-over-tucker-carlsons-racism-say-bosses-created-a-white-supremacist-cell?amp=1
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 18, 2020, 07:05:48 AM
  Steele Documents just released. FISA Court FRAUD once again PROVEN, along with the NY Times also being in cahoots. Stay Tuned for Durham/Barr in late Aug/Early Sept = Maraschino Cherry for Nov 3.

You really need to stop watching Hannity as much as you do!

Just another guy with a book to sell making some wild claims and Nunes in his usual role as ventriloquist's dummy. Pathetic!
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Thomas Graves on July 18, 2020, 07:25:46 AM
You really need to stop watching Hannity as much as you do!

Just another guy with a book to sell making some wild claims and Nunes in his usual role as ventriloquist's dummy. Pathetic!

People need to remember that Steele, himself, said his "dossier" was 70% to 90% accurate, which is pretty darn good for raw intel of this sort.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/nov/15/christopher-steele-trump-russia-dossier-accurate

Whatever shortcoming it may have had don't vitiate Mueller's findings that the Kremlin interfered on the side of Trump in our election.

--  MWT  ;)
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 18, 2020, 09:33:38 AM
Dementia Riddled Trump went full Karen on Chris Wallace with an embarrassing live debunked lie about defunding the police.
Trump interrupts interview to show proof that Biden plans to defund the police. It did not go well.

Watch: 

https://twitter.com/dQuazzi1/status/1284388314926071808
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 18, 2020, 09:53:25 AM
'Trump is a laughing stock' trends nationwide on Twitter: ‘The whole world is laughing’

(https://www.rawstory.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/2616365071_783e97be34_o-Edit.jpg)


Donald Trump was ridiculed on Twitter on Saturday, causing the hashtag #TrumpIsALaughStock to trend nationwide on Saturday.

Much of the commentary was focused on Trump’s disastrous interview with Chris Wallace that was broadcast on Fox News.

“It’s because they want to defund the police — and [Joe] Biden wants to defund the police,” Trump claimed.

“Sir, he does not,” Wallace interjected.

“Look, he signed a charter with Bernie Sanders,” Trump argued.

“And it says nothing about defunding the police,” Wallace replied.

“Oh really? It says abolish. It says — let’s go. Get me the charter, please,” Trump said, interrupting the interview.

An aide brought him the document, but Trump was unable to find language about defunding the police.


Here’s some of what people were saying about Trump’s meltdown and his hatred of a blockbuster new tell-all book by his niece, Mary Trump:

I love that #TrumpIsALaughingStock is the number 1 trending hashtag in the US.

I have been laughing about this all evening. Might be the funniest thing Trump has ever done. You have to listen to Wallace's description and then try to picture it. Trump: Bring me the documents! Then the documents prove him wrong. As the cameras roll.

#TrumpIsALaughingStock The whole world is laughing at Trump.

Trump has lost everyone. Fox News is laughing at him. The RNC thinks Kansas is in play. He’s at the point Hoover was when he received a telegram saying “vote for Roosevelt and make it unanimous.”

Red Alert! A nerve has been struck! I repeat: a nerve has been struck. Operation Global Humiliation now in process. This is not a drill ⁦@MaryLTrump⁩ is a national hero. #TrumpIsALaughingStock

TRASHING HIS OWN FAMILY. It's one thing for Trump to trash politicians & the media but now he has taken to trashing someone in his own family. There has never been a president as sad & pathetic as Donald Trump. Mary Trump's book is 100% on point. #TrumpIsALaughingStock

Oh how beautiful is this clip?  Trump stops interview to bring "proof" that Biden plans to defund the police. It did not end well. Retweet if you agree that #TrumpIsALaughingStock

The world isn't laughing at US, @realDonaldTrump. It's laughing at YOU. #TrumpIsALaughingStock

What's even worse, there are millions of Trump supporters who are the laughing stock of the country! #TrumpIsALaughingStock

Oooh... the cultists are not happy with Chris Wallace.

What they seem to not realize is the problem isn’t defunding the police, etc...  It’s the reaction of Trump acting like a petulant child.  I cannot wait to watch him storm off the debate stage. #TrumpIsALaughingStock

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EdKVDrGVcAEnFEL?format=jpg&)


The World Is Laughing At Me. #TrumpIsALaughingStock

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EdK_MguXYAIEsQW?format=jpg)


https://www.rawstory.com/2020/07/trump-is-a-laughing-stock-trends-nationwide-on-twitter-the-whole-world-is-laughing/
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Ray Mitcham on July 18, 2020, 11:52:58 AM
  Well, YOU got that Wrong. What New?  I have Never claimed to be a "GOP" Consultant. Consultants work wherever needed/$$$. I also have been well trained in "Plumbing" which can come in handy. "Hazardous Pay"  then sweetens the pot.

Now we can see the reason for Storing's mental problem. He must be  suffering from lead poising.

Some symptoms of lead poising in adults:-


Irritability
Mood disorder
Impaired concentration
Decline in mental function


Storing seems to have them all.

Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Mark A. Oblazney on July 18, 2020, 12:00:36 PM
Now we can see the reason for Storing's mental problemd. He must be  suffering from lead poising.

You leave Roy-El AND Britney ALONE !!!  They're going to change their stylist soon........  and so is their fearless leader.  a war with china shall ensure his ability to cancel the erections (sic)
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Ray Mitcham on July 18, 2020, 12:03:26 PM
You leave Roy-El AND Britney ALONE !!!  They're going to change their stylist soon........  and so is their fearless leader.  a war with china shall ensure his ability to cancel the erections (sic)

Agreed Mark. Could be his false flag operation in late October to stop the election taking place.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Tom Scully on July 18, 2020, 12:51:07 PM
People need to remember that Steele, himself, said his "dossier" was 70% to 90% accurate, which is pretty darn good for raw intel of this sort.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/nov/15/christopher-steele-trump-russia-dossier-accurate

Whatever shortcoming it may have had don't vitiate Mueller's findings that the Kremlin interfered on the side of Trump in our election.

--  MWT  ;)

From Putin's lips to his "poodle's" collar?

(http://jfkforum.com/images/TrumpPutinHelsinkiBBC.jpg)

Quote
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/2018/02/13/was_christopher_steele_paid_by_russian_oligarch_deripaska_434204.html
Was Christopher Steele Paid by Russian Oligarch Deripaska ..
.
Among Waldman's clients is Oleg Deripaska, a Russian aluminum magnate with close ties to Russian President Vladimir Putin. In a text dated March 16, 2017, Waldman texted Warner, "Chris Steele ...

Or :
https://www.justice.gov/storage/120919-examination.pdf
.....
(http://jfkforum.com/images/TrumpSteeleSourceIGreport_3of3.jpg)

(http://jfkforum.com/images/TrumpSteeleSourceIGreport_1of3.jpg)

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Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 18, 2020, 12:58:34 PM
Everybody with half a brain knows what the plan was for the Durham investigation; dig up as much dirt as possible and publish a report a couple of months prior to the election, so that the Republicans and Trump can attack the Democrats with something, just like they did with Hillary Clinton and her "e-mail scandal" in 2016.

The Durham investigation is basically nothing more than a replacement for the bogus Hunter Biden/Burisma/Ukraine that blew up in Trump's face.

In recent days the Republicans have begun talking about the possibility that Durham may not finish his report on time and they it might not be ready until after the election. The reason for this delay seems obvious to me. Durham most likely hasn't found anything major, or significant, putting the entire Republican strategy at risk. If he publishes his report on time, we may all learn that except for some minor stuff there really isn't anything there and that of course would not only be a major embarrasment for the Republicans but also leave them with nothing to attack Biden with.

By postponing the publication until after the election, which is what will likely happen, they will avoid that embarrasment and at the same time still be able to make all sorts of vague false insinuations....
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 18, 2020, 01:00:25 PM
Agreed Mark. Could be his false flag operation in late October to stop the election taking place.

Do you really think Putin will allow Trump to start a war with China? Really?
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 18, 2020, 01:06:21 PM
Everybody with half a brain knows what the plan was for the Durham investigation; dig up as much dirt as possible and publish a report a couple of months prior to the election, so that the Republicans and Trump can attack the Democrats with something, just like they did with Hillary Clinton and her "e-mail scandal" in 2016.

The Durham investigation is basically nothing more than a replacement for the bogus Hunter Biden/Burisma/Ukraine that blew up in Trump's face.

In recent days the Republicans have begun talking about the possibility that Durham may not finish his report on time and they it might not be ready until after the election. The reason for this delay seems obvious to me. Durham most likely hasn't found anything major, or significant, putting the entire Republican strategy at risk. If he publishes his report on time, we may all learn that except for some minor stuff there really isn't anything there and that of course would not only be a major embarrasment for the Republicans but also leave them with nothing to attack Biden with.

By postponing the publication until after the election, which is what will likely happen, they will avoid that embarrasment and at the same time still be able to make all sorts of vague false insinuations....

All these scams are red meat for the kool aid drinking base. There's nothing to them. This is another "Hillary's emails" 2.0.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 18, 2020, 01:18:06 PM
People want 4 more years of death and virus with a failed loser like Donald Trump who does nothing? Hell no they don't. COVID-19 is worse now than  it was in March. Other countries have gotten the virus under control. The USA is supposed to be a leader setting an example for the world. The USA is the worst in the world and Americans are banned from traveling to other countries.  The USA is no longer looked up to as a leader. Other countries have taken the lead and we have lost our standing in the world. We are a failed nation under decline with Donald Trump. Our economy is in shambles, people are weak, sick, and dying. Hospitals are at full capacity and sick people are not going to be able to get critical care. Refrigerator trucks are being used for temporary morgues. Do people want to live this way with a president who tells you "it will magically go away when its hot"? It's hot now and more people are dying. Donald Trump is a disgrace.


It's not only coronavirus cases that are rising now COVID deaths are too
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/its-not-only-coronavirus-cases-that-are-rising-now-covid-deaths-are-too/2020/07/17/193006e8-c868-11ea-8ffe-372be8d82298_story.html

Texas Hits More Record Highs in COVID-19 Cases, Deaths Friday
Texas reported a single-day record of 174 new deaths related to the coronavirus Friday

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/texas-news/texas-hits-more-record-highs-in-covid-19-cases-deaths-friday/2408850/

Portable Morgues On The Way To Arizona As Coronavirus Surges
Refrigerated trucks are on the way to Phoenix as coronavirus cases and deaths surge in Maricopa County, the epicenter of Arizona's outbreak.
https://patch.com/arizona/phoenix/portable-morgues-way-phoenix-coronavirus-surges

Arizona reports 3,910 new coronavirus cases, 91 more deaths
https://ktar.com/story/3403725/arizona-reports-3910-new-coronavirus-cases-91-more-deaths/

California’s coronavirus infections are skyrocketing. Is this the time to reopen schools?
https://www.sacbee.com/podcasts/article244258612.html

Tennessee flagged as a ‘Red Zone’ for COVID-19 cases
https://www.wkrn.com/community/health/coronavirus/tennessee-flagged-as-a-red-zone-for-covid-19-cases/

Arkansas logs largest daily increase in COVID-19 hospitalizations
https://wreg.com/news/coronavirus-in-arkansas-governor-hutchinson-state-leaders-give-update-on-covid-19-response-in-conway/

Oklahoma sees 1,075 single-day increase in COVID-19 cases; 4 more deaths
https://www.enidnews.com/news/covid19/osdh-oklahoma-sees-1-075-single-day-increase-in-covid-19-cases-4-more-deaths/article_df6046d4-c6b5-11ea-a86e-fb292f97ef73.html
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 18, 2020, 04:06:53 PM
Fox News peddled misinformation about the coronavirus 253 times in five days: study

Roger Sollenberger

A new study finds that Fox News peddled misinformation about the coronavirus pandemic 253 times in only five days. The documented instances included claims which undermined science and faith in experts, as well as demands that schools and businesses reopen at the risk of public health.

Primetime host Laura Ingraham, who has no medical or scientific background whatsoever, led the pack with about a quarter of the claims — 63 total, or just more than 12 per show. Additionally, the network's "straight news" programs contributed about 35% of the misinformation.

The study, published Thursday by media watchdog Media Matters for America, was conducted from July 6 to 10 — the week after a Yahoo News report proclaimed that Fox's coronavirus coverage had taken a "remarkable turn" for the better.

However haltingly and incompletely, the president's favorite news outlet has started to acknowledge, across various programs and its news site, that the coronavirus is a far graver threat than even [President Donald] Trump himself will acknowledge.

That report cited two articles on the network's website and two instances of Fox News personalities Sean Hannity and Steve Doocy making remarks about masks that, while stopping short of endorsements, did not mock them outright.

The article also pointed out that Fox News requires its employees to wear masks at work most of the time. Additionally, the network appears to have canceled a Fox Nation show about the pandemic hosted by coronavirus conspiracy theorist Alex Berenson, though extant episodes remain available.

The data in the Media Matters study flatly contradicts the isolated examples from the Yahoo report. Here is a quick breakdown:

About half the incidents — 115 claims — challenged scientific consensus and undermined official government recommendations, such as social distancing and masking guidelines.
"The Ingraham Angle" was the clear leader of the pack, pushing misinformation 63 times, more than half of which came from Ingraham herself, who undermined science a staggering 21 times in five days.
"Fox & Friends" took second place with 45 instances; "Hannity" and "Tucker Carlson Tonight" finished in a dead heat for third, clocking 21 and 20 instances, respectively.
Straight news programs delivered more than a third of the misinformation, led by Martha MacCallum's "The Story" with 20 claims.
Eight claims defended or endorsed unproven remedies such as hydroxychloroquine, days after the FDA told people not to take it outside of hospitals or clinical trials.
The network politicized the pandemic 63 times, including 51 claims that regulations requiring masks and closing businesses were rooted in politics and 10 false claims linking recent racial justice protests to a surge in new infections.
Hosts advocated 34 times to disregard public health concerns in favor of reopening the country's more than 100,000 K-12 schools.
The misinformation and the seeming coordination with official White House talking points has raised alarm among experts.

For instance, in a "Hannity" interview July 10, the last day covered in the study, Trump responded to a question about the nation's top infectious disease expert, Dr. Anthony Fauci, by saying "he's made a lot of mistakes."

That interview fed an ongoing White House effort to discredit Fauci, who pushed back by calling such efforts "bizarre."

"Ultimately, it hurts the president," he said.

Then there is the matter of schools. The network and the administration, including Trump and Secretary of Education Betsy DeVos, for weeks trumpeted an American Academy of Pediatrics statement advising a measured reopening of schools.

The misinformation's momentum eventually compelled the academy — together with with the two largest educators' unions in the country and the School Superintendents Association — to clarify its statement. It now says that reopening "will clearly require substantial new investments in our schools and campuses," and calls on Congress and the administration "to provide the federal resources needed" to safely educate and care for students.

In an earlier Media Matters audit of the cable network, Fox News posted a 20% decline in its coronavirus coverage between March and May.

But this unrelenting misinformation campaign comes amid a massive surge in COVID-19 infections, which has ravaged healthcare resources in Sun Belt states such as Arizona, California, Florida and Texas. In recent weeks, the U.S. has set seven records for daily new cases, topping 68,000 on July 10, the same day which Trump, who said on numerous occasions that the virus would "miraculously" disappear in April, told Hannity that Fauci had "made a lot of mistakes."

Now, many states are walking back reopening measures. California closed restaurants, movie theaters and bars. Arizona also shuttered movie theaters and bars, plus gyms and water parks.

On July 13, Fox Business host Lou Dobbs wondered "what in hell is going on" as closures increased. Dr. Marc Siegel, a Fox medical expert, criticized the policies as "not consistent," "punitive" and "draconian."

However, there are some fractures within the network. A study from April showed that viewers of Hannity were more likely to die of COVID-19 than Carlson's viewers. Now, the two seem neck-and-neck in misinformation.

Carlson, who in June broke Hannity's all-time ratings record, recently claimed there was "no evidence" that masks help constrain the pandemic, in contradiction of guidance from the World Health Organization and the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Hannity, meanwhile, took the opposite view.

"I went to my grocery store every week. Guess what?" the host recently asked. "They wore masks. Nobody at my grocery store, thank God, got coronavirus."

"I think they work," he added.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Thomas Graves on July 18, 2020, 04:28:59 PM
Fox News peddled misinformation about the coronavirus 253 times in five days: study

Roger Sollenberger

A new study finds that Fox News peddled misinformation about the coronavirus pandemic 253 times in only five days. The documented instances included claims which undermined science and faith in experts, as well as demands that schools and businesses reopen at the risk of public health.

Primetime host Laura Ingraham, who has no medical or scientific background whatsoever, led the pack with about a quarter of the claims — 63 total, or just more than 12 per show. Additionally, the network's "straight news" programs contributed about 35% of the misinformation.

The study, published Thursday by media watchdog Media Matters for America, was conducted from July 6 to 10 — the week after a Yahoo News report proclaimed that Fox's coronavirus coverage had taken a "remarkable turn" for the better.

However haltingly and incompletely, the president's favorite news outlet has started to acknowledge, across various programs and its news site, that the coronavirus is a far graver threat than even [President Donald] Trump himself will acknowledge.

That report cited two articles on the network's website and two instances of Fox News personalities Sean Hannity and Steve Doocy making remarks about masks that, while stopping short of endorsements, did not mock them outright.

The article also pointed out that Fox News requires its employees to wear masks at work most of the time. Additionally, the network appears to have canceled a Fox Nation show about the pandemic hosted by coronavirus conspiracy theorist Alex Berenson, though extant episodes remain available.

The data in the Media Matters study flatly contradicts the isolated examples from the Yahoo report. Here is a quick breakdown:

About half the incidents — 115 claims — challenged scientific consensus and undermined official government recommendations, such as social distancing and masking guidelines.
"The Ingraham Angle" was the clear leader of the pack, pushing misinformation 63 times, more than half of which came from Ingraham herself, who undermined science a staggering 21 times in five days.
"Fox & Friends" took second place with 45 instances; "Hannity" and "Tucker Carlson Tonight" finished in a dead heat for third, clocking 21 and 20 instances, respectively.
Straight news programs delivered more than a third of the misinformation, led by Martha MacCallum's "The Story" with 20 claims.
Eight claims defended or endorsed unproven remedies such as hydroxychloroquine, days after the FDA told people not to take it outside of hospitals or clinical trials.
The network politicized the pandemic 63 times, including 51 claims that regulations requiring masks and closing businesses were rooted in politics and 10 false claims linking recent racial justice protests to a surge in new infections.
Hosts advocated 34 times to disregard public health concerns in favor of reopening the country's more than 100,000 K-12 schools.
The misinformation and the seeming coordination with official White House talking points has raised alarm among experts.

For instance, in a "Hannity" interview July 10, the last day covered in the study, Trump responded to a question about the nation's top infectious disease expert, Dr. Anthony Fauci, by saying "he's made a lot of mistakes."

That interview fed an ongoing White House effort to discredit Fauci, who pushed back by calling such efforts "bizarre."

"Ultimately, it hurts the president," he said.

Then there is the matter of schools. The network and the administration, including Trump and Secretary of Education Betsy DeVos, for weeks trumpeted an American Academy of Pediatrics statement advising a measured reopening of schools.

The misinformation's momentum eventually compelled the academy — together with with the two largest educators' unions in the country and the School Superintendents Association — to clarify its statement. It now says that reopening "will clearly require substantial new investments in our schools and campuses," and calls on Congress and the administration "to provide the federal resources needed" to safely educate and care for students.

In an earlier Media Matters audit of the cable network, Fox News posted a 20% decline in its coronavirus coverage between March and May.

But this unrelenting misinformation campaign comes amid a massive surge in COVID-19 infections, which has ravaged healthcare resources in Sun Belt states such as Arizona, California, Florida and Texas. In recent weeks, the U.S. has set seven records for daily new cases, topping 68,000 on July 10, the same day which Trump, who said on numerous occasions that the virus would "miraculously" disappear in April, told Hannity that Fauci had "made a lot of mistakes."

Now, many states are walking back reopening measures. California closed restaurants, movie theaters and bars. Arizona also shuttered movie theaters and bars, plus gyms and water parks.

On July 13, Fox Business host Lou Dobbs wondered "what in hell is going on" as closures increased. Dr. Marc Siegel, a Fox medical expert, criticized the policies as "not consistent," "punitive" and "draconian."

However, there are some fractures within the network. A study from April showed that viewers of Hannity were more likely to die of COVID-19 than Carlson's viewers. Now, the two seem neck-and-neck in misinformation.

Carlson, who in June broke Hannity's all-time ratings record, recently claimed there was "no evidence" that masks help constrain the pandemic, in contradiction of guidance from the World Health Organization and the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Hannity, meanwhile, took the opposite view.

"I went to my grocery store every week. Guess what?" the host recently asked. "They wore masks. Nobody at my grocery store, thank God, got coronavirus."

"I think they work," he added.

Dear Gentlemen,

What does a porous-to-tiny-droplets but breath-and-sneeze-blocking mask protect more -- the wearer, or the people around the wearer?

D'oh

--  Mudd Wrassler Tommy  ;)
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 18, 2020, 04:32:36 PM
For those (Storing) believing Donald Trump in 2020 is running against Joe Biden, he’s not. Poll numbers? Who cares. Trump has one opponent he cannot scream at or demean on Twitter. It’s an opponent who will not debate. It’s an opponent who will have the last word.

We haven't even gotten into Trump's cratering poll numbers. Wanna? Listen up Storing. He is down by double digits nationally, down by double digits in most battleground states, and even down in double digits among his own Republican base when it comes to his performance in handling the coronavirus. And then there are the worst numbers of all: almost 140,000 dead, with the CDC estimating 170,000 by Aug. 8. A record 77,000 people were diagnosed with the virus on Thursday, and 926 died. The numbers keep going up almost every day.

Trump likely could run unopposed.....and lose.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Thomas Graves on July 18, 2020, 04:36:44 PM
For those (Storing) believing Donald Trump in 2020 is running against Joe Biden, he’s not. Poll numbers? Who cares. Trump has one opponent he cannot scream at or demean on Twitter. It’s an opponent who will not debate. It’s an opponent who will have the last word.

We haven't even gotten into Trump's cratering poll numbers. Wanna? Listen up Storing. He is down by double digits nationally, down by double digits in most battleground states, and even down in double digits among his own Republican base when it comes to his performance in handling the coronavirus. And then there are the worst numbers of all: almost 140,000 dead, with the CDC estimating 170,000 by Aug. 8. A record 77,000 people were diagnosed with the virus on Thursday, and 926 died. The numbers keep going up almost every day.

Trump likely could run unopposed.....and lose.

I think Trump will win another squeaker after Vladimir Putin, two weeks before the election, arranges for the release of photographs purporting to show Joe and Hunter Biden sexually molesting a goat.

Or some-such thing.

"But ... but ... but ... THE COLD WAR IS OVER, AND WE WON, TOMMY!"

--  MWT  ;)
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 18, 2020, 04:42:06 PM
Trump Caught Lying About Biden’s Police Stance in Fox News Interview Debacle

By Jonathan Chait

President Trump, apparently realizing that he has little chance to defeat Joe Biden, has decided instead to run against an imaginary candidate who shares a name with his Democratic opponent but few of the same policy proposals. In an interview with Fox News host Chris Wallace, Trump asserted that Biden wants to “defund the police.” Wallace stopped him and pointed out that this is not true. Trump, who usually bluffs his way through moments when his lies are called out by throwing out new lies, instead claimed to have a document that would prove it. “Oh, really? It says ‘abolish’ — let’s go, get me the charter, please!” he said, calling for his aides.


They could not, of course, because Trump’s claims are flatly false. Biden did sign a charter with Bernie Sanders in which he endorsed several positions that brought him closer to his left-wing opponent. He did not, however, agree to defund or abolish the police.

The paper does endorse a broad array of police reforms, including use-of-force guidelines, federal oversight, racial-profiling restrictions, and others. There is nothing in it calling for the abolition of police or a reduction in funding for police. It calls for the federal government to “make smart investments to incentivize departments to build effective partnerships with social workers and mental health and substance use counselors to help respond to frontline public health challenges” — i.e., increasing the allotment of funding for the work currently performed by police. Biden did not endorse abolition or defunding of the police because it’s highly unpopular and he isn’t crazy.

At a speech attacking Biden today, Vice-President Mike Pence leaned on the theme that Biden won’t really be president at all. “Joe Biden has referred to himself as a transition candidate, and what many are asking across this country is, a transition to what?” asked Pence. “I thought Joe Biden won the Democratic primary, but looking at that [unity] document, it seems like Bernie won.” When your campaign is reduced to implicitly conceding that it would be great if Biden was president but it isn’t going to happen, you’re in a place of clear desperation.

During the Democratic primary, some progressives argued that there was little value in avoiding unpopular left-wing positions and labels, since Trump was going to call his opponent a radical socialist regardless of who he faced. It’s true that Trump was going to do this, but it’s not true that the tactic would work equally well on any opponent. It’s harder to pin an unpopular position on an opponent who refuses to support it than it is on an opponent who denies it.

Wallace told his audience that Trump “couldn’t find any indication, because there isn’t any, that Joe Biden has sought to defund and abolish the police.” That is a humiliating result for a Fox News interview.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 18, 2020, 04:43:39 PM
  When you guys have anything New to Endlessly grouse about, PM me. As usual, your redundant haranguing is Killing the thread. Last night, you get a dissenting voice contributing to this thread and the Silent Majority viewership Immediately set record numbers. This A.M. you dog pilers go into your Pete and RePete Routine and as usual the viewer response = Crickets. The wild audience fluctuations Here is a microcosm of Nov 3. Lotta Noise outta the Malcontents but the Silent Majority always ends up carrying the day.   
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 18, 2020, 04:51:13 PM
  When you guys have anything New to Endlessly grouse about, PM me. As usual, your redundant haranguing is Killing the thread. Last night, you get a dissenting voice contributing to this thread and the Silent Majority viewership Immediately set record numbers. This A.M. you dog pilers go into your Pete and RePete Routine and as usual the viewer response = Crickets. The wild audience fluctuations Here is a microcosm of Nov 3. Lotta Noise outta the Malcontents but the Silent Majority always ends up carrying the day.

History is debated, never argued. That is impossible here because YOU are a pathological liar who attempts to defend another pathological liar who through policy is killing American citizens at a record pace. Silent majority? They’re dying also.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 18, 2020, 05:21:43 PM

  When do we get to the part where You call me a Racist, Homophobe, Xenowhatever, and on & on?  You HATERS are a 1 Note Cacophony of Fingernails on the chalkboard.
  I see the Biden Campaign is as usual speaking for Fuzzy Joe and claiming the Russkies are currently meddling in the upcoming election. If Putin is in Trump's corner, how can he lose? Maybe you guys better save your energy and sit this one out? You might have a chance 4 years down the road if something were to happen to Putin. Until then, according to Fuzzy Joe, this election is already rigged.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: John Tonkovich on July 18, 2020, 06:11:38 PM
Mr. Storing:  do Black Lives Matter?
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 18, 2020, 06:40:24 PM
  When do we get to the part where You call me a Racist, Homophobe, Xenowhatever, and on & on?  You HATERS are a 1 Note Cacophony of Fingernails on the chalkboard.
  I see the Biden Campaign is as usual speaking for Fuzzy Joe and claiming the Russkies are currently meddling in the upcoming election. If Putin is in Trump's corner, how can he lose? Maybe you guys better save your energy and sit this one out? You might have a chance 4 years down the road if something were to happen to Putin. Until then, according to Fuzzy Joe, this election is already rigged.

How stupid are you? The fake news media as you call it replays Trump everyday on television. Nothing fake about it. We, the public see, with our own eyes how repugnant he is. The media reports it. Nothing fake about it. Out of ignorance you do the very same thing on this forum. We read your words. You’re a despicable (love that word) human being. How much support have you gotten from anybody on this thread? You’re a minority of one. You’re inappropriate. You’re unintelligible. You’re ignorant. I can go on and on but what’s the point? You provide the ammo everyday. It’s just to easy.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 18, 2020, 07:57:15 PM
Storing, did you “consult” on this?hahahaha

Trump unhappy with RNC head Ronna McDaniel for telling him he is out of step with voters: report

Tom Boggioni

In a deep dive into Donald Trump’s sometimes odd relationship with the voters who put him into office, the New York Times reports that the president — whose poll numbers are plummeting — was “displeased” when Republican National Committee head Ronna McDaniel tried to explain to him that he is spending too much time focusing on issues that won’t help him in November.

According to the report, GOP consultants believe Trump has a “caricatured view of what he believes his base wants” that at times belies reality.

According to Liam Donovan, a Republican strategist, the president has a basic understanding of what motivates his base, saying the president has a “preternatural ability to sniff out and tap into what Republicans hate.”

However, he added, “But when it comes to what they’re for, it inevitably comes off like a cartoon version of what a New York billionaire would think conservatives believe.”

With that in mind, the New York Times’ Maggie Haberman reports that aides close to the president are trying to redirect his energies to issues that are concerning to voters but are finding resistance from the president who feels he knows better.

Writing, “A series of events over the years of the Trump presidency has made clear that Mr. Trump views the voters he calls ‘my people’ through the lens of what he imagines they like,” Haberman added that Trump’s botched “walk to a historic church near the White House — a walk for which largely peaceful protesters were cleared out of the way with chemical irritants — was one such moment.”

According to her reporting, Trump and his daughter Ivanka are still puzzled why the photo-op — that was overshadowed by a tear-gas assault on protesters — flopped with the public.

In light of that, campaign professionals like the RNC’s McDaniel have tried to offer some advice.

“In the past weeks, some advisers — including Ronna McDaniel, the chairwoman of the Republican National Committee — have told Mr. Trump he is adopting a losing political stance by defending the Confederate flag at NASCAR events, according to people familiar with the conversations. Mr. Trump has told advisers he’s displeased with such entreaties, including from Ms. McDaniel, according to the people familiar with the conversations,” the report states, adding, “Others have told him that trying to force local school districts to reopen is seen as federal overreach by many conservatives.”

The report goes on to point out that the president has a habit of ignoring advice, pointing to his surprising win in 2016, with Haberman writing, “few Republican elected officials have bucked him, remaining silent and suppressing any discomfort they might feel when he deploys racial demagogy as a favored campaign tool, or uses the presidency to help allies.”
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 18, 2020, 08:27:43 PM
  Very revealing when HATERS rely on Republican Sources to try and get a feel for public sentiment. This is why the Dem's will lose Nov 3. They have Absolutely No Feel for the Ma & Pa Kettle's across this country. This is because they are obsessed with 1 Thing. Regaining POWER! Death, Destruction, Division, Chaos, whatever is needed to achieve their Goal of Regaining POWER is A-OK with them.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 18, 2020, 08:50:10 PM
  Very revealing when HATERS rely on Republican Sources to try and get a feel for public sentiment. This is why the Dem's will lose Nov 3. They have Absolutely No Feel for the Ma & Pa Kettle's across this country. This is because they are obsessed with 1 Thing. Regaining POWER! Death, Destruction, Division, Chaos, whatever is needed to achieve their Goal of Regaining POWER is A-OK with them.

Panic is gripping the Senate races’: Trump’s crumbling poll numbers threaten GOP control of Congress

Sky Palma

Writing in the Los Angeles Times this Friday, Janet Hook says that President Trump’s crumbling support is bad news for the Republican-controlled Senate, and they give Democrats a new opening to win back the presidency as well as Congress.

“Democrats now threaten Republican Senate incumbents in Georgia, Iowa and Montana — states that had seemed reliably red — in addition to Colorado and Arizona, where Democrats have had the advantage for months, and Maine, where GOP Sen. Susan Collins is facing the toughest election in her long career,” Hook writes.

In addition to new finance reports showing Democratic Senate challengers out-raising their opponents, Republicans have to contend with a president who keeps alienating voters with his response to the coronavirus health crisis.

“Panic is gripping the Senate races,” said Rob Stutzman, a California Republican political strategist who is a vocal Trump critic. “A lot of candidates are in a really, really tough spot.”
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 18, 2020, 09:10:12 PM
  Biden: (1) Defund The Police, (2) NO School Choice. As the Biden campaign Slowly makes their Bernie & AOC positions Known, even the Public Polling will reflect what some already Know. Just wait until Trump starts handing out even More Stimulus $$$ like Santa Claus while also claiming HE wanted to give away more $$. Then comes the Debate(s), and the Maraschino Cherry on top = Durham/Bulldog Bar CRIMINAL Investigation. Biden is gonna mirror a Melting Candle. Come Nov 3, the Wick goes OUT.   
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 18, 2020, 09:15:41 PM
  Biden: (1) Defund The Police, (2) NO School Choice. As the Biden campaign Slowly makes their Bernie & AOC positions Known, even the Public Polling will reflect what some already Know. Just wait until Trump starts handing out even More Stimulus $$$ like Santa Claus while also claiming HE wanted to give away more $$. Then comes the Debate(s), and the Maraschino Cherry on top = Durham/Bulldog Bar CRIMINAL Investigation. Biden is gonna mirror a Melting Candle. Come Nov 3, the Wick goes OUT.

Just as POTUS does EVERYDAY, you too LIE everyday. Provide ANY link where Biden said he wants to DEFUND the police. I dare you.
People are watching you AGAIN make an azz of yourself. AGAIN.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 18, 2020, 09:26:15 PM

  This is what You Guys are forced to do whenever EXPOSED. Start quibbling over semantics. What is a "Mob"? What is "SPYING"? What is a "THUG"? NEVER Fails.  "DIVERTING" is "DEFUNDING" and I can guarantee that Fuzzy Joe/his campaign staff are gonna be held to it. Law & Order vs Anarchy!
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 18, 2020, 09:34:54 PM
  This is what You Guys are forced to do whenever EXPOSED. Start quibbling over semantics. What is a "Mob"? What is "SPYING"? What is a "THUG"? NEVER Fails.  "DIVERTING" is "DEFUNDING" and I can guarantee that Fuzzy Joe/his campaign staff are gonna be held to it. Law & Order vs Anarchy!

lol. lol. So, you CANNOT provide ANY link. See genius, that’s what makes YOU a liar. You guarantee? lol. I can see why people “seek”
your counsel. You’re a GUARANTEED liar. lol (again).
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 18, 2020, 09:40:16 PM
  This is what You Guys are forced to do whenever EXPOSED. Start quibbling over semantics. What is a "Mob"? What is "SPYING"? What is a "THUG"? NEVER Fails.  "DIVERTING" is "DEFUNDING" and I can guarantee that Fuzzy Joe/his campaign staff are gonna be held to it. Law & Order vs Anarchy!

Just how idiotic does one have to be to still parrot the false narrative that Biden wants to defund the police, even after Trump himself went down in flames and completely embarrased himself in the interview with Chris Wallace, when he made the same claim and could not prove it despite having his staff getting him a copy of the Biden/Sanders charter? Pathetic!
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 18, 2020, 09:49:31 PM

   Gotcha! Here You are making Fools outta yourselves being Unable to explain what "Diverting" means. Why? Because Diverting = DEFUNDING. Unless of course, YOU also wanna claim that Willie Sutton was also "Diverting".
    Just gotta leg slapping POLL courtesy of Jimbo. If YOU only knew.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 18, 2020, 09:54:56 PM
   Gotcha! Here You are making Fools outta yourselves being Unable to explain what "Diverting" means. Why? Because Diverting = DEFUNDING. Unless of course, YOU also wanna claim that Willie Sutton was also "Diverting".
    Just gotta leg slapping POLL courtesy of Jimbo. If YOU only knew.

Shifting the goalposts..... If the first lie doesn't work, I'll just make up another one..... That's some strategy, Royell....

Are you having a nice day on the Titanic?
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 18, 2020, 10:00:37 PM
  The Issues Fuzzy has been placed on the Wrong Side of are beginning to pile up like cord wood. That's what a campaign is ALL about. Next comes Fuzzy getting tied to the Wagon Wheel over NOT wanting to OPEN Public Schools. Not only does he NOT want to give minorities the opportunity to attend the Better Schools, NOW he is gonna stick the parents with these uneducated kids 24/7. Another log goes onto this soon to be a raging fire. Oh yeah! And then comes his swallowing AOC's Green New Deal. Goodbye Mich and Penn. And next up comes already consenting to let Beto beat down people's front doors to take away their guns while MOBS are burning down buildings and destroying govt monuments. Yeah buddy!
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 18, 2020, 10:13:04 PM
  The Issues Fuzzy has been placed on the Wrong Side of are beginning to pile up like cord wood. That's what a campaign is ALL about. Next comes Fuzzy getting tied to the Wagon Wheel over NOT wanting to OPEN Public Schools. Not only does he NOT want to give minorities the opportunity to attend the Better Schools, NOW he is gonna stick the parents with these uneducated kids 24/7. Another log goes onto this soon to be a raging fire. Oh yeah! And then comes his swallowing AOC's Green New Deal. Goodbye Mich and Penn. And next up comes already consenting to let Beto beat down people's front doors to take away their guns while MOBS are burning down buildings and destroying govt monuments. Yeah buddy!

A buch of misrepresentations and lies.......That's all you've got to counter massive unemployment, a record breaking recession, 140.000 + covid-19 deaths and rising, 70.000 + new infections every day and a divided country in chaos due to a complete lack of leadership?

Wow, have at it.... this is going to be funny as hell
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 18, 2020, 10:53:03 PM
Very revealing when HATERS rely on Republican Sources to try and get a feel for public sentiment. This is why the Dem's will lose Nov 3. They have Absolutely No Feel for the Ma & Pa Kettle's across this country. This is because they are obsessed with 1 Thing. Regaining POWER! Death, Destruction, Division, Chaos, whatever is needed to achieve their Goal of Regaining POWER is A-OK with them.

Gaslighter.

Donald Trump and the GOP are killing your Ma and Pa Kettles with COVID-19 and are not helping them. They don't even care about these people and use them as pawns for their votes. These people are waking up as Donald Trump's base is dwindling. These people didn't show up to see him in Tulsa, OK. That's why Donald Trump is losing in a landslide. We have death, destruction, division, and chaos from Donald Trump and the overwhelming majority of Americans are sick of it and want this lunatic gone. Benedict is trying to keep power by any means possible.

Another failed gaslighting attempt.               
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 18, 2020, 10:55:47 PM
  From what I am told, they will eventually be issuing a version of Newt's  "Contract With America" where they Expose ALL of Biden's Ultra Left Positions vs Trump's America Friendly/America First Positions. With Trump, Timing = Everything. He's liable to do this right before Debate #1 if that ever does come off. The Trump Campaign remains skeptical that Fuzzy Joe will Ever take the debate stage, even 1 time. The anticipated KO Punch is the Durham/Barr CRIMINAL Investigation. With Biden telling George Stephanopoulus that he did Not Know anything about the Flynn Investigation and then it coming out that Biden attended the Jan 4 meeting where Gen Flynn was thoroughly discussed amongst Obama, Brennan, Clapper, Comey, Strozk, Rice, etc makes Biden out to be a Liar. On top of that, everybody NOW Knows that Biden did UNMASK Flynn + there is Now Strozk's Notes of that Jan 4 meeting Specifically mentioning that BIDEN Himself suggested that Flynn be prosecuted under the Logan Act. Lotta Crushing Issues ready to come crashing down on Biden yet his campaign continues burying him in the basement. This MIA status is only pushing ALL of these Issues being Exposed closer and closer to election day. This is Exactly the Timing that Trump wants. Dum!
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 18, 2020, 11:04:10 PM
Biden: (1) Defund The Police, (2) NO School Choice. As the Biden campaign Slowly makes their Bernie & AOC positions Known, even the Public Polling will reflect what some already Know. Just wait until Trump starts handing out even More Stimulus $$$ like Santa Claus while also claiming HE wanted to give away more $$. Then comes the Debate(s), and the Maraschino Cherry on top = Durham/Bulldog Bar CRIMINAL Investigation. Biden is gonna mirror a Melting Candle. Come Nov 3, the Wick goes OUT.

The Issues Fuzzy has been placed on the Wrong Side of are beginning to pile up like cord wood. That's what a campaign is ALL about. Next comes Fuzzy getting tied to the Wagon Wheel over NOT wanting to OPEN Public Schools. Not only does he NOT want to give minorities the opportunity to attend the Better Schools, NOW he is gonna stick the parents with these uneducated kids 24/7. Another log goes onto this soon to be a raging fire. Oh yeah! And then comes his swallowing AOC's Green New Deal. Goodbye Mich and Penn. And next up comes already consenting to let Beto beat down people's front doors to take away their guns while MOBS are burning down buildings and destroying govt monuments. Yeah buddy!


The bogus propaganda and conspiracy machine at it again.

Biden is not defunding the police. Chris Wallace on Faux exposed Donald Trump as a pathological liar for making that bogus claim. 

School choice is another fake claim by right wingers.

Dead and sick people won't enjoy any "stimulus".

Nobody cares about Stooge Barr and his sham investigations.

The overwhelming majority of Americans do not want their kids to get sick and die from being in schools.

All you have are bogus distraction side issues that the overwhelming majority of Americans do not care about.

You still don't get it. The overwhelming majority of Americans want Donald Trump gone and they are not changing their minds.       

More crap and bogus propaganda.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 18, 2020, 11:06:21 PM
  From what I am told, they will eventually be issuing a version of Newt's  "Contract With America" where they Expose ALL of Biden's Ultra Left Positions vs Trump's America Friendly/America First Positions. With Trump, Timing = Everything. He's liable to do this right before Debate #1 if that ever does come off. The Trump Campaign remains skeptical that Fuzzy Joe will Ever take the debate stage, even 1 time. The anticipated KO Punch is the Durham/Barr CRIMINAL Investigation. With Biden telling George Stephanopoulus that he did Not Know anything about the Flynn Investigation and then it coming out that Biden attended the Jan 4 meeting where Gen Flynn was thoroughly discussed amongst Obama, Brennan, Clapper, Comey, Strozk, Rice, etc makes Biden out to be a Liar. On top of that, everybody NOW Knows that Biden did UNMASK Flynn + there is Now Strozk's Notes of that Jan 4 meeting Specifically mentioning that BIDEN Himself suggested that Flynn be prosecuted under the Logan Act. Lotta Crushing Issues ready to come crashing down on Biden yet his campaign continues burying him in the basement. This MIA status is only pushing ALL of these Issues closer and closer to election day. This is Exactly the Timing that Trump wants. Dum!

 :D  :D :D

The overwhelming majority of Americans want Donald Trump gone and know that Flynn is a criminal. They do not care. Fake conspiracy theories small you have.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 18, 2020, 11:06:41 PM
  Diverting = DEFUNDING.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 18, 2020, 11:09:22 PM
  From what I am told, they will eventually be issuing a version of Newt's  "Contract With America" where they Expose ALL of Biden's Ultra Left Positions vs Trump's America Friendly/America First Positions. With Trump, Timing = Everything. He's liable to do this right before Debate #1 if that ever does come off. The Trump Campaign remains skeptical that Fuzzy Joe will Ever take the debate stage, even 1 time. The anticipated KO Punch is the Durham/Barr CRIMINAL Investigation. With Biden telling George Stephanopoulus that he did Not Know anything about the Flynn Investigation and then it coming out that Biden attended the Jan 4 meeting where Gen Flynn was thoroughly discussed amongst Obama, Brennan, Clapper, Comey, Strozk, Rice, etc makes Biden out to be a Liar. On top of that, everybody NOW Knows that Biden did UNMASK Flynn + there is Now Strozk's Notes of that Jan 4 meeting Specifically mentioning that BIDEN Himself suggested that Flynn be prosecuted under the Logan Act. Lotta Crushing Issues ready to come crashing down on Biden yet his campaign continues burying him in the basement. This MIA status is only pushing ALL of these Issues closer and closer to election day. This is Exactly the Timing that Trump wants. Dum!

You need a new repertoire.... This record is broken and the song you're singing has lost it relevance. The sound is drowned out by the tidalwave of Covid-19, massive unemployment and a record breaking recession.

Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 18, 2020, 11:15:52 PM
  Guess you are unfamiliar with the Hunter/China $$$ related subpoena's that have been issued. ALL of these Biden Issues are Red Hot as Trump continues railing On CHINA and their Corona Impact on The World. Fake News does Not cover this which explains but does Not excuse Your Ignorance. As I have urged numerous times, Expand Your News Source(s).
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 18, 2020, 11:16:32 PM
Here's why the GOP is losing in a massive landslide. They want to kill your kids in school because they want to make it appear that the country is "back to normal" for Donald Trump's election. Parents are not going to sacrifice their kids for a lying scumbag. Infants in Texas, not even 1 year old, are contracting COVID-19 and dying from it. When kids are forced in school by Republicans and Donald Trump, the infection and death rate is going to be MASSIVE. Not only are kids going to die, but entire families as well because the kids are going to infect them. Donald Trump and the GOP are lying to YOU. They claim kids can't contract or spread COVID-19. That is b.s. as infants have it and are dying. The GOP wants to kill you and your kids to keep Donald Trump in Power.

85 babies under 1 year old in Nueces County have tested positive for COVID-19, according to report
Nueces County Medical Examiner Adel Shaker told The Texas Tribune last week that a baby boy, younger than 6 months old, tested positive for COVID-19 and died


https://www.texastribune.org/2020/07/18/texas-babies-coronavirus-nueces-county/
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 18, 2020, 11:17:57 PM

  The above is Ignorant. The Majority of America believes Kids should be Physically Back In School.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Tom Scully on July 18, 2020, 11:20:00 PM
  Guess you are unfamiliar with the Hunter/China $$$ related subpoena's that have been issued. ALL of these Biden Issues are Red Hot as Trump continues railing On CHINA and their Corona Impact on The World. Fake News does Not cover this which explains but does Not excuse Your Ignorance. As I have urged numerous times, Expand Your News Source(s).

....The Trump Campaign remains skeptical that Fuzzy Joe will Ever take the debate stage, even 1 time. The anticipated KO Punch is the Durham/Barr CRIMINAL Investigation. With Biden telling George Stephanopoulus that he did Not Know anything about the Flynn Investigation and then it coming out that Biden attended the Jan 4 meeting where Gen Flynn was thoroughly discussed amongst Obama, Brennan, Clapper, Comey, Strozk, Rice, etc makes Biden out to be a Liar. ....This is Exactly the Timing that Trump wants. Dum!

"Q" ! Is that you?

https://twitter.com/John_F_Kennnedy/status/1194087541554778112
(http://jfkforum.com/images/TrumpDurhamQAnonJFKjr.jpg)
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 18, 2020, 11:22:07 PM
Guess you are unfamiliar with the Hunter/China $$$ related subpoena's that have been issued. ALL of these Biden Issues are Red Hot as Trump continues railing On CHINA and their Corona Impact on The World. Fake News does Not cover this which explains but does Not excuse Your Ignorance. As I have urged numerous times, Expand Your News Source(s).

Right wing conspiracy theories are not sources. Donald Trump is in the pocket of China being in massive debt. Donald Trump did nothing to call out China on COVID-19 because he thought he was getting a trade deal. Nobody cares about fake smears against Hunter Biden. They want Donald Trump gone.   

Trump owed tens of millions to Bank of China
The president's financial dealings with the state-owned bank complicate his attacks on Biden.


https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/24/trump-biden-china-debt-205475
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 18, 2020, 11:26:40 PM
The above is Ignorant. The Majority of America believes Kids should be Physically Back In School.

Dying babies is ignorant? You are sick. So much for the fake right wing "pro life" scam. Donald Trump and the GOP refuse to protect live babies and kids. But if it's an unborn fetus that's no problem. Republicans use that as a scam because they want to CONTROL Americans.   

The overwhelming majority of Americans do not want their kids in school. Americans are not going to kill their kids for Donald Trump. You are a propagandist spreading false and bogus disinformation.

That's why Donald Trump and the GOP is losing in a landslide.   


Majority Of Americans Oppose The Trump Administration’s Demands To Reopen Schools

A poll Wednesday found that a majority of Americans oppose the Trump administration’s demands for schools to reopen and the president’s threat to remove funding as the administration continues to disagree with public health officials and educators in a push that is widely viewed as a strategy for boosting the economy before the election.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/elanagross/2020/07/15/a-majority-of-americans-oppose-the-trump-administrations-demands-to-reopen-schools/#502d44c72904
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 18, 2020, 11:33:36 PM
85 infants test positive for COVID-19 in Texas county

In Nueces County, Texas, 85 infants have tested positive for COVID-19, according to ABC affiliate WCVB-TV.

New cases have significantly increased after a flattening trend in the county, which is home to Corpus Christi.

"We currently have 85 babies under the age of 1 year in Nueces County that have all tested positive for COVID-19," said Annette Rodriguez, director of public health for Corpus Christi-Nueces County, during a July 17 briefing.

When looking at seven-day averages, Nueces County has the fastest new case growth of all metropolitan counties in Texas, according to Peter Zanoni, Corpus Christi city manager.

U.S. Reps. Sheila Jackson Lee and Joaquin Castro, both of Texas, have urged Gov. Greg Abbott to allow local jurisdictions to issue stay-at-home orders to help manage the virus' spread, WCVB-TV reports.

https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/85-infants-test-positive-for-covid-19-in-texas-county.html


85 infants are not in packed classrooms at school and are still contracting COVID-19 and dying.

Royell says this is ignorant and kids should be in school so massive deaths can occur among children and their families when they spread it to them.

This is the Trump genocide the GOP is asking for to keep this lunatic in power.   
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Tom Scully on July 18, 2020, 11:35:45 PM
Right wing conspiracy theories are not sources. Donald Trump is in the pocket of China being in massive debt. Donald Trump did nothing to call out China on COVID-19 because he thought he was getting a trade deal. Nobody cares about fake smears against Hunter Biden. They want Donald Trump gone.   
......

I'm glad somebody is staying on top of all this, even as Royell's posts indicate clearly that he's lost his way. Hope everyone is having a good weekend,
or attending yet another funeral of a covid-19 victim?

Is "Q" defacto POTUS, ( https://twitter.com/Qanon76 ) or GRU posting as "Q", or someone close to Trump's twitter-fingers, Dan Scavino perhaps, posting as "Q"? Royell is obviously not on "the need to know" contact list!

https://twitter.com/John_F_Kennnedy/status/1284556719532777472
(http://jfkforum.com/images/TrumpQanonChurchesJFKjr.jpg)
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 18, 2020, 11:58:43 PM
  Guess you are unfamiliar with the Hunter/China $$$ related subpoena's that have been issued. ALL of these Biden Issues are Red Hot as Trump continues railing On CHINA and their Corona Impact on The World. Fake News does Not cover this which explains but does Not excuse Your Ignorance. As I have urged numerous times, Expand Your News Source(s).

Sorry, but unlike you I haven't got time to hide in a basement, watching television 24/7. I have a life....

Guess you are unfamiliar with the Hunter/China $$$ related subpoena's that have been issued

Big deal! A subpoena means nothing. You could be subpoenaed tomorrow to testify about the color of your underwear.

ALL of these Biden Issues are Red Hot as Trump continues railing On CHINA and their Corona Impact on The World.

There are no Biden issues anywhere, except in the paranoid and desperate mind of GOP fools

Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 19, 2020, 12:03:20 AM
  The above is Ignorant. The Majority of America believes Kids should be Physically Back In School.

Sure, when it's safe to do so..... Trump wants them back at school when it isn't safe. Another nail in his coffin!
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 19, 2020, 12:09:53 AM
  "No Biden Issues"?  Sure, IF You rely on Fake News Sources. You Know, the same ones that SOLD YOU the Trump/Russia  BS: And, here You are again Drinking from this same Poisoned Well. "Stupid is as Stupid Does"!
   Just watched a Scientist that uses MATHEMATICAL MODELS of past POTUS Elections/Primaries to forecast the outcome of POTUS Elections. NO SURVEYS, NO PHONE CALLS, NO  BS:. This Gent has nailed the POTUS Winner Correctly in 25 of the last 27 POTUS Elections. Guess who the Mathematical Models/SCIENCE is forecasting to win Nov 3?
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 19, 2020, 12:26:24 AM
  "No Biden Issues"?  Sure, IF You rely on Fake News Sources. You Know, the same ones that SOLD YOU the Trump/Russia  BS: And, here You are again Drinking from this same Poisoned Well. "Stupid is as Stupid Does"!
   Just watched a Scientist that uses MATHEMATICAL MODELS of past POTUS Elections/Primaries to forecast the outcome of POTUS Elections. NO SURVEYS, NO PHONE CALLS, NO  BS:. This Gent has nailed the POTUS Winner Correctly in 25 of the last 27 POTUS Elections. Guess who the Mathematical Models/SCIENCE is forecasting to win Nov 3?

Indeed.... No Biden issues, at least not in the real world.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 19, 2020, 12:32:05 AM

  Yeah. Your "Real World" would be that World where someone with Absolutely No Experience is paid MILLIONS/$$$ by Foreign Govts will being Chauffeured to-and-from via AF2.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 19, 2020, 12:35:54 AM
  Yeah. Your "Real World" would be that World where someone with Absolutely No Experience is paid MILLIONS/$$$ by Foreign Govts will being Chauffeured to-and-from via AF2.

Is that the same real world as where Donald Trump is in massive debt in China (conflict of interest!), Ivanka Trump abuses the office of her daddy to get 7 trademarks for free and the Trump family is using Government planes to travel to business meetings overseas?
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 19, 2020, 12:45:46 AM
  "No Biden Issues"?  Sure, IF You rely on Fake News Sources. You Know, the same ones that SOLD YOU the Trump/Russia  BS: And, here You are again Drinking from this same Poisoned Well. "Stupid is as Stupid Does"!
 Just watched a Scientist that uses MATHEMATICAL MODELS of past POTUS Elections/Primaries to forecast the outcome of POTUS Elections. NO SURVEYS, NO PHONE CALLS, NO  BS:. This Gent has nailed the POTUS Winner Correctly in 25 of the last 27 POTUS Elections. Guess who the Mathematical Models/SCIENCE is forecasting to win Nov 3?

 :D :D :D

70,000 Republicans voted against Donald Trump in the Pennsylvania Republican primary during a deadly pandemic. Only 6,000 of his hardcore fans showed up to see him in a 19,000 seat arena in the most conservative city in America. That's the real poll numbers that shows Donald Trump losing in a landslide.

51 million unemployed Americans, 142,777 dead, 3,825,277 coronavirus cases and it's only going to get worse as weeks go by. Nobody in their right mind is going to vote to continue this disaster. Donald Trump has done nothing except bring massive unemployment, death, and infection. People have no national pride under this failure


Public’s Mood Turns Grim; Trump Trails Biden on Most Personal Traits, Major Issues
Just 17% say they are ‘proud’ when thinking about state of the U.S.

     
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2020/06/30/publics-mood-turns-grim-trump-trails-biden-on-most-personal-traits-major-issues/
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 19, 2020, 12:47:51 AM
  Yeah. Your "Real World" would be that World where someone with Absolutely No Experience is paid MILLIONS/$$$ by Foreign Govts will being Chauffeured to-and-from via AF2.

Kinda like the lunatic in chief currently occupying the WH right now huh?
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 19, 2020, 12:55:26 AM
Yeah. Your "Real World" would be that World where someone with Absolutely No Experience is paid MILLIONS/$$$ by Foreign Govts will being Chauffeured to-and-from via AF2.

That would be imbecile daughter Ivanka getting freebies from the Chinese. Zero experience and she thinks she's a "foreign policy expert".


Ivanka Trump won China trademarks days before her father's reversal on ZTE
Watchdog group says the timing of the approvals ‘raises significant questions about corruption’

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/may/28/ivanka-trump-won-china-trademarks-donald-trump-zte-reversal

Ivanka Trump’s Brand Received Five New Trademarks From China This Month
https://fortune.com/2019/01/21/ivanka-trump-china-trademarks/

China grants 18 trademarks in 2 months to Trump, daughter
https://apnews.com/0a3283036d2f4e699da4aa3c6dd01727

Donald Trump’s Debt to China
https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/donald-trumps-debt-to-china

https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/06/politics/ivanka-trump-trademarks/index.html
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 19, 2020, 01:55:20 AM
The devil has come to life. Check out the horns illuminated in the light globe. The evil sinister face to go along with it.
#TrumpFailsAmerica is trending on Twitter.   

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EdOEPYOWAAEqfGc?format=jpg)
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 19, 2020, 03:02:04 AM
Trump Threatens America #TrumpThreatensAmerica

Mike Pence attempted to scare the public by claiming, "You won't be safe in Joe Biden's America." The reality is that Mike Pence and Donald Trump have put our nation in greater danger than ever before. The latest footage of the Secret Police, AKA Trump's Gestapo in Portland shows just how far we have fallen. Trump threatens freedom. Trump threatens democracy. Trump threatens America.

Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Tom Scully on July 19, 2020, 03:03:04 AM
  Yeah. Your "Real World" would be that World where someone with Absolutely No Experience is paid MILLIONS/$$$ by Foreign Govts will being Chauffeured to-and-from via AF2.

https://twitter.com/ahlookatweet/status/1283970561325125636
(https://i.redd.it/qfv4xdd2a3b51.jpg)

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/17/us/head-nypd-union-qanon-mug/index.html
(http://jfkforum.com/images/TrumpNYPDunionQcup.jpg)
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 19, 2020, 03:32:13 AM
Is this still America?

Consider the following facts:

1) The Republican National Committee under Trump is set to deploy tens of thousands of likely armed, unbadged goons to try to intimidate voters of color from exercising their right of suffrage;

2) Both Border Patrol and ICE are functioning as largely unaccountable enforcers of the president’s personal whims and interpretations of law, detaining citizens for hours without explanation or formal charges, and operating in direct conflict with local mayors and governors;

3) Border Patrol and ICE both have stridently bigoted, conservative organizational cultures hostile to most people of color and more liberal, urban areas generally–and they are well aware that their powers will likely be curtailed under a possible future Democratic administration;

4) Trump continues to ramp up rhetoric against nonexistent “voter fraud” in liberal areas. His focus has primarily been on vote-by-mail as a result of the COVID pandemic, but imaginary in-person voter impersonation fraud among communities of color in Democratic-leaning cities has long been a Republican obsession. A senior legal adviser to the Trump campaign recently declared that Trump would win even California if voting were “fair,” showing just how deeply the conspiratorial thinking around this issue runs in top GOP circles.

5) Acting Department of Homeland Security chief Chad Wolf appears to have no constraints on his behavior or his overheated rhetoric, and that the Trump Administration is planning to scale the use of border patrol agents as a conservative paramilitary nationwide.

6) Donald Trump and his campaign team know by now that absent some explosive scandal around Biden or other unpredictable event to change the fundamentals of the race, the president’s only path to victory lies not in persuading a majority of voters but in choosing his own electorate by suppressing the votes of the majority of Americans who despise him.

Put all of this together, and it opens the possibility of a terrifying abuse of power. We could end up seeing armed private contractors hired by the RNC and affiliated conservative organizations to intimidate Democratic-leaning voters, bolstered by camouflage-wearing taxpayer-funded rifle-toting border patrol agents aggressively checking papers of every voter in line in the guise of “securing against voter fraud” on the president’s orders. This would be happening during the most tense presidential election in our lifetimes during a raging pandemic, often in lines in which voters must wait 8 to 10 hours to vote due to restricted polling places in minority communities–also a blatant suppression attempt enabled by the Supreme Court’s voiding of many of the protections of the Voting Rights Act. The likelihood that these actions would be met with immediate enraged protest would be very high. Election Day violence unheard of since the Civil Rights era could ensue, which would give Trump an excuse to instigate further crackdowns across the country as election day continues. Federal agents could forseeably be sent in to attempt to stop the counting of mail-in ballots in the days following the election on presidential orders. No need for a Brooks Brothers Riot if you can just send in an armed federal paramilitary, instead.

Absent some form of preventive action by states, municipalities, the Democratic Party and left-affiliated organizations, there is very little to stop Trump, Attorney General Bill Barr and Acting DHS Secretary Wolf from attempting any or all of this.

And unlike in normal political circumstances where a party that loses an election can hope and expect to retool and win elections in the future, Republicans know that if they get wiped out in 2020, demographic realities mean it could be the last hurrah for this version of the GOP at a federal level. If Democrats were to follow up a landslide victory with efforts to secure a voting bill of rights, an elimination of gerrymandering and the filibuster, and a rebalancing of the Senate, the courts and the electoral college, the Republican Party would not be able to regain serious federal power in its current form without a realignment. Donald Trump himself would literally be in danger of going to jail. The Republican incentive in November would be to pull out all the stops to prevent this from happening, especially in a census year.

Perhaps these fears are paranoid. But when left organizers warned that ICE and Border Patrol were being converted into an authoritarian paramilitary security force and demanded that they be disbanded and abolished, self-proclaimed serious people in politics tended to dismiss their concerns as so much overheated partisanship. One of the most important lessons of the Trump administration has been that whatever you fear they might do, expect them to do worse if they can get away it.

Far better to be prepared for such eventualities and be ready to fight back with all available legal means on Election Day, than to be caught surprised by the next unthinkable transgression. If Trump and his cronies can create authoritarian chaos on Election Day to intimidate Democratic voters, they likely will. Portland was just the first step.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Thomas Graves on July 19, 2020, 03:39:32 AM
Is this still America?

Consider the following facts:

1) The Republican National Committee under Trump is set to deploy tens of thousands of likely armed, unbadged goons to try to intimidate voters of color from exercising their right of suffrage;

2) Both Border Patrol and ICE are functioning as largely unaccountable enforcers of the president’s personal whims and interpretations of law, detaining citizens for hours without explanation or formal charges, and operating in direct conflict with local mayors and governors;

3) Border Patrol and ICE both have stridently bigoted, conservative organizational cultures hostile to most people of color and more liberal, urban areas generally–and they are well aware that their powers will likely be curtailed under a possible future Democratic administration;

4) Trump continues to ramp up rhetoric against nonexistent “voter fraud” in liberal areas. His focus has primarily been on vote-by-mail as a result of the COVID pandemic, but imaginary in-person voter impersonation fraud among communities of color in Democratic-leaning cities has long been a Republican obsession. A senior legal adviser to the Trump campaign recently declared that Trump would win even California if voting were “fair,” showing just how deeply the conspiratorial thinking around this issue runs in top GOP circles.

5) Acting Department of Homeland Security chief Chad Wolf appears to have no constraints on his behavior or his overheated rhetoric, and that the Trump Administration is planning to scale the use of border patrol agents as a conservative paramilitary nationwide.

6) Donald Trump and his campaign team know by now that absent some explosive scandal around Biden or other unpredictable event to change the fundamentals of the race, the president’s only path to victory lies not in persuading a majority of voters but in choosing his own electorate by suppressing the votes of the majority of Americans who despise him.

Put all of this together, and it opens the possibility of a terrifying abuse of power. We could end up seeing armed private contractors hired by the RNC and affiliated conservative organizations to intimidate Democratic-leaning voters, bolstered by camouflage-wearing taxpayer-funded rifle-toting border patrol agents aggressively checking papers of every voter in line in the guise of “securing against voter fraud” on the president’s orders. This would be happening during the most tense presidential election in our lifetimes during a raging pandemic, often in lines in which voters must wait 8 to 10 hours to vote due to restricted polling places in minority communities–also a blatant suppression attempt enabled by the Supreme Court’s voiding of many of the protections of the Voting Rights Act. The likelihood that these actions would be met with immediate enraged protest would be very high. Election Day violence unheard of since the Civil Rights era could ensue, which would give Trump an excuse to instigate further crackdowns across the country as election day continues. Federal agents could forseeably be sent in to attempt to stop the counting of mail-in ballots in the days following the election on presidential orders. No need for a Brooks Brothers Riot if you can just send in an armed federal paramilitary, instead.

Absent some form of preventive action by states, municipalities, the Democratic Party and left-affiliated organizations, there is very little to stop Trump, Attorney General Bill Barr and Acting DHS Secretary Wolf from attempting any or all of this.

And unlike in normal political circumstances where a party that loses an election can hope and expect to retool and win elections in the future, Republicans know that if they get wiped out in 2020, demographic realities mean it could be the last hurrah for this version of the GOP at a federal level. If Democrats were to follow up a landslide victory with efforts to secure a voting bill of rights, an elimination of gerrymandering and the filibuster, and a rebalancing of the Senate, the courts and the electoral college, the Republican Party would not be able to regain serious federal power in its current form without a realignment. Donald Trump himself would literally be in danger of going to jail. The Republican incentive in November would be to pull out all the stops to prevent this from happening, especially in a census year.

Perhaps these fears are paranoid. But when left organizers warned that ICE and Border Patrol were being converted into an authoritarian paramilitary security force and demanded that they be disbanded and abolished, self-proclaimed serious people in politics tended to dismiss their concerns as so much overheated partisanship. One of the most important lessons of the Trump administration has been that whatever you fear they might do, expect them to do worse if they can get away it.

Far better to be prepared for such eventualities and be ready to fight back with all available legal means on Election Day, than to be caught surprised by the next unthinkable transgression. If Trump and his cronies can create authoritarian chaos on Election Day to intimidate Democratic voters, they likely will. Portland was just the first step.

Source?

--  MWT  ;)
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 19, 2020, 03:41:33 AM
Source?

--  MWT  ;)

The Trump presidency.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: John Tonkovich on July 19, 2020, 03:45:23 AM
https://twitter.com/ahlookatweet/status/1283970561325125636
(https://i.redd.it/qfv4xdd2a3b51.jpg)

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/17/us/head-nypd-union-qanon-mug/index.html
(http://jfkforum.com/images/TrumpNYPDunionQcup.jpg)
Hey, who said cops are dumb?
 : )
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Thomas Graves on July 19, 2020, 06:12:31 AM
The Trump presidency.

Your personal observations, or stuff you've read somewhere?

--  MWT  ;)
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Colin Crow on July 19, 2020, 06:33:27 AM
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: John Iacoletti on July 19, 2020, 06:58:22 AM
  The above is Ignorant. The Majority of America believes Kids should be Physically Back In School.

Evidence, please.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 19, 2020, 05:02:00 PM
  The Hysteria posted above should be directed at Portland, Oregon. Another Dem run city where like the 1906 San Fran earthquake, these Elected Numb Nuts are content waiting for the Mobs that Pillage their streets nightly to suffer from Burn Out and simply go home. Problem is: (1) This ain't "06", (2) They are Over 50 Days into the Continuous Mayhem, and (3) The Mobs just TORCHED the Police Union HQ........ And "Fuzzy" Joe wants to Defund The Police?
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 19, 2020, 05:05:40 PM
  The Hysteria posted above should be directed at Portland, Oregon. Another Dem run city where like the 1906 San Fran earthquake, these Elected Numb Nuts are content waiting for the Mobs that Pillage their streets nightly to suffer from Burn Out and simply go home. Problem is: (1) This ain't "06", (2) They are Over 50 Days into the Continuous Mayhem, and (3) The Mobs just TORCHED the Police Union HQ........ And "Fuzzy" Joe wants to Defund The Police?

And "Fuzzy" Joe wants to Defund The Police?

Look, we all understand your problem. Whatever BS you guys try against Joe Biden ain't working, so we fully understand you are getting frustrated.

But if you want to continue to tell outright lies, please try at least to be somewhat creative because this crap is boring.

Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 19, 2020, 05:18:37 PM
And "Fuzzy" Joe wants to Defund The Police?

Look, we all understand your problem. Whatever BS you guys try against Joe Biden ain't working, so we fully understand you are getting frustrated.

But if you want to continue to tell outright lies, please try at least to be somewhat creative because this crap is boring.

Exactly. Like the WH lunatic Storing believes if you keep repeating the same lie, people will ultimately it. It’s what conmen/grifters do.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 19, 2020, 05:20:16 PM
  Semantics. "Divert" = Defund. Once again, "judge a pitcher by the Reaction of the Hitter". The Dem's finally figured out the Overwhelming VOTING Majority of Americans want Nothing to do with cutting the $$$ that goes to funding the cops. Hence, the Dem's running away from Initially calling for: (1) "ABOLISH" the Police, to (2) "DEFUND" The Police, and NOW Fuzzy Joe's (3) "DIVERT" $$$ from the Police. This is a Semantics Game the Dem's play while having their wet finger in the wind of public opinion.  In the meantime, Trump does what he says. He is cleaning up the absolute Mayhem that has been going on in Portland for close to 2 months running. Ma & Pa Kettles across this country are encouraging him to continuing doing this while having their Biscuits & Gravy at the kitchen table.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 19, 2020, 05:24:30 PM
This is what dementia does.


Trump on Falsely Claiming Coronavirus Pandemic Will ‘Disappear’: ‘I’ll Be Right Eventually’

Ken Meyer

President Donald Trump used part of his heated interview with Fox News’ Chris Wallace to defend his claim that the coronavirus pandemic will eventually vanish.

Throughout the health crisis, Trump repeatedly downplayed the disease and claimed the virus would “go away” as the American death toll continued to rise. When Fox released their interview with Trump on Sunday, Wallace asked the president if he agrees with CDC director Robert Redfield’s assessment that Autumn and Winter will be a difficult time for national public health.

“Do you agree with Dr. Redfield?” Wallace asked.

“I don’t know and I don’t think he knows,” Trump answered. “I don’t think anybody knows with this. This is a very tricky deal. Everybody thought this summer it would go away and it would come back in the fall. Well, when the summer came, they used to say the heat — the heat was good for it and it really knocks it out, remember? And then it might come back in the fall. So they got that one wrong.”

From there, Wallace proceed to ask Trump “Why on Earth would your administration be involved in a campaign at this point to discredit Dr. Fauci, who is the nation’s top infectious disease expert.”

“Because we’re not,” Trump claimed, (even though he trashed Fauci in recent weeks). “If one man from my administration doesn’t like him because he made a few mistakes — Look, Dr. Fauci said, ‘Don’t wear a mask.’ Dr. Fauci told me not to ban China, it would be a big mistake. I did it over and above his recommendation…Dr. Fauci’s made some mistakes. But I have a very good — I spoke to him yesterday at length. I have a very good relationship with Dr. Fauci.”

As Wallace pressed on, Trump called Fauci “a little bit of an alarmist,” claimed their relationship is fine, and continued to brag he was right and Fauci was wrong.

“But you made mistakes, too,” Wallace countered, bringing up numerous times Trump incorrectly claimed the virus would “disappear.”

“I’ll be right eventually,” Trump responded. “I’ll say it again, it’s going to disappear, and I’ll be right.”

“But does that discredit you?

“I don’t think so,” Trump said. “You know why? Because I’ve been right probably more than anybody else.”
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 19, 2020, 05:28:16 PM

  Trump's "Law & Order" vs Fuzzy Joe's "Defund The Police". Just watch the reaction of the Dem Hitter as he "Buckets".
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 19, 2020, 05:32:54 PM
  Semantics. "Divert" = Defund. Once again, "judge a pitcher by the Reaction of the Hitter". The Dem's finally figured out the Overwhelming VOTING Majority of Americans want Nothing to do with cutting the $$$ that goes to funding the cops. Hence, the Dem's running away from Initially calling for: (1) "ABOLISH" the Police, to (2) "DEFUND" The Police, and NOW Fuzzy Joe's (3) "DIVERT" $$$ from the Police. This is a Semantics Game the Dem's play while having their wet finger in the wind of public opinion.  In the meantime, Trump does what he says. He is cleaning up the absolute Mayhem that has been going on in Portland for close to 2 months running. Ma & Pa Kettles across this country are encouraging him to continuing doing this while having their Biscuits & Gravy at the kitchen table.

Hence, the Dem's running away from Initially calling for: (1) "ABOLISH" the Police, to (2) "DEFUND" The Police, and NOW Fuzzy Joe's (3) "DIVERT" $$$ from the Police.

When you have to lie to "win", you've already lost!

Stop lying. The Democrats never called for abolishing or defunding the police. All this BS is nothing more than Republican scaremongering.

In the meantime, Trump does what he says.

So gullible. Would you be interested in buying some beachfront property in Oklahoma?
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 19, 2020, 05:35:03 PM
  Trump's "Law & Order" vs Fuzzy Joe's "Defund The Police". Just watch the reaction of the Dem Hitter as he "Buckets".

Trump's "Law & Order"

We've seen more than enough of Trumps Nazism, thank you.....

Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 19, 2020, 05:35:51 PM
Donald Trump has unified America – against him | Robert Reich

Donald Trump is on the verge of accomplishing what no American president has ever achieved – a truly multi-racial, multi-class, bipartisan political coalition so encompassing it could realign US politics for years to come.

Unfortunately for Trump, that coalition has come into existence to prevent him from having another term in office.

Start with race. Rather than fuel his base, Trump’s hostility toward people protesting the police killing of George Floyd and systemic racism has pulled millions of white Americans closer to black Americans. More than half of whites now say they agree with the ideas expressed by the Black Lives Matter movement, and more white people support than oppose protests against police brutality. To a remarkable degree, the protests themselves have been biracial.

As John Lewis, the great civil rights hero who died on Friday, said last month near where Trump and William Barr, the attorney general, had set federal police in riot gear and wielding tear gas on peaceful protesters, “Mr President, the American people … have a right to protest. You cannot stop the people with all of the forces that you may have at your command.”

Even many former Trump voters are appalled by Trump’s racism, as well as his overall moral squalor

Even many former Trump voters are appalled by Trump’s racism, as well as his overall moral squalor. According to a recent New York Times/Sienna College poll, more than 80% of people who voted for Trump in 2016 but won’t back him again in 2020 think he “doesn’t behave the way a president ought to act” – a view shared by 75% of registered voters across battleground states which will make all the difference in November.

A second big unifier has been Trump’s attacks on our system of government. Americans don’t particularly like or trust government but almost all feel some loyalty toward the constitution and the principle that no person is above the law.

Trump’s politicization of the justice department, attacks on the rule of law, requests to other nations to help dig up dirt on his political opponents, and evident love of dictators – especially Vladimir Putin – have played badly even among diehard conservatives.

Refugees from the pre-Trump GOP along with “Never Trumper” Republicans who rejected him from the start are teaming up with groups such as Republican Voters Against Trump, Republicans for the Rule of Law, the Lincoln Project and 43 Alumni for Biden, which comprises former officials of George W Bush’s (the 43rd president) administration. The Lincoln Project has produced dozens of hard-hitting anti-Trump ads, many running on Fox News.

The third big unifier has been Trump’s catastrophic mishandling of the pandemic. Many who might have forgiven his personality defects and authoritarian impulses can’t abide his bungling of a public health crisis that threatens their lives and loved ones.

In a poll released last week, 62% said Trump was “hurting rather than helping” efforts to combat Covid-19. Fully 78% of those who supported him in 2016 but won’t vote for him again disapprove of his handling of the pandemic. Voters in swing states like Texas, Florida and Arizona – now feeling the brunt of the virus – are telling pollsters they won’t vote for Trump.

Although the reasons for joining the anti-Trump coalition have little to do with Joe Biden, Trump’s presumed challenger, the Democrat may still become a transformational president. That’s less because of his inherent skills than because Trump has readied America for transformation.

Related: Trump's Fox News Sunday interview will include Biden battleground ads

The tempting analogy is to the election of 1932, in the midst of another set of crises. The public barely knew Franklin D Roosevelt, whom critics called an aristocrat without a coherent theory of how to end the Great Depression. But after four years of Herbert Hoover, America was so desperate for coherent leadership it was eager to support FDR and follow wherever he led.

There are still more than 100 days until election day, and many things could derail the emerging anti-Trump coalition: impediments to voting during the pandemic, foreign hacking into election machines, Republican efforts to suppress votes, quirks of the electoral college, Trumpian dirty tricks and his likely challenge to any electoral loss.

Yet even now, the breadth of the anti-Trump coalition is a remarkable testament to Donald Trump’s capacity to inspire disgust.

Robert Reich, a former US secretary of labor, is professor of public policy at the University of California at Berkeley and the author of Saving Capitalism: For the Many, Not the Few and The Common Good.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 19, 2020, 05:46:36 PM
Storing? Get on a plane. Somebody needs your counsel! ::)

New polls show Joe Biden is winning suburbanites by a historic margin

Harry Enten

The new ABC News/Washington Post poll is the latest to show former Vice President Joe Biden on a roll.

He leads President Donald Trump 55% to 40% among registered voters. (It's a slightly tighter 54% to 44% among likely voters). The poll comes on top of other surveys last week from Fox News, NBC News/Wall Street Journal and Quinnipiac University giving Biden anywhere from an 8 to 15 point advantage.

Biden's advantage in the polls is most evident in the suburbs, where he is earning a historic amount of support for a Democrat.

Biden is up by a 52% to 43% margin among suburban voters in the ABC News/Washington Post poll.

Other polls in the last month show Biden in as good or even better position among suburban voters. The latest Fox News poll has Biden with 49% to 38% lead. Quinnipiac University poll puts Biden ahead by a 56% to 34% margin with suburbanites. The NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist Poll has Biden beating Trump 60% to 35% among suburban voters.

Our early June CNN poll had Biden with a 14-point lead in the suburbs.

In the average of all the polls, Biden's ahead by more than 15 points with suburban voters. This is a historic margin, if it holds.

The fact that Biden is doing so well in the suburbs shouldn't be a surprise. The suburbs are a bellwether vote of sorts in our current political environment. That is, the suburban vote mirrors the national vote closer than the urban or rural vote.

Biden's lead in the suburbs is reflective of him doing significantly better than Hillary Clinton. Four years ago at this time, Trump was beating Clinton by a 45% to 35% margin in the ABC/Washington Post poll among suburban voters.

In other words, we're looking at nearly a 20-point improvement for Biden versus where Clinton was at this point in the 2016 campaign.

A look across the final polls and post-election polls from four years ago shows anything from a small Clinton advantage (e.g. 5 points in the final Fox News poll) to a small Trump advantage (e.g. 4 points in the exit poll).

If you were to go back over time, the exit poll data reveals that no Democrat has won the suburban vote by more than 5 points since at least 1972, when the first exit poll was taken in a presidential election.

(I should note that different pollsters define "suburb" differently. Some use a Zip Code definition and others just ask, for example. Still, by none of the commonly used definitions, has a Democrat done as well as Biden is currently doing in them since at least 1972.)

Winning Democratic candidates do tend to carry the suburbs, though none by as much as any of the polls currently have Biden ahead in them. Back in 2008 (the best year for Democrats this century), Obama won in the suburbs by 2 points in the exit polls. The final ABC News/Washington Post poll had him winning in the suburbs by 5 points.

Lyndon Johnson in 1964 was maybe the only Democrat in the last 70 years who probably won by double-digits in the suburbs. He won overall by 23 points that year. Although no exit poll data is available from that year, the American National Election Studies shows he did about 10 points worse in the suburbs than he did nationally.

The clear difference between the 1964 and 2020 elections is that Biden, at this point, is running ahead of his national numbers in the suburbs. Biden's lead overall in the polls with a suburban crosstab averages out to be about 13 points.

You can see this dynamic play out in a state like Pennsylvania. In the latest Monmouth University poll, Biden leads 53% to 40% overall among registered voters. He scores a 54% to 35% margin in the swing areas from the Philadelphia suburbs to northeast Pennsylvania. Clinton won those counties by a mere point four years ago, as she lost the state by 1 point.

Indeed, the suburbs have been a problem for Trump and the Republicans during the Trump presidency. It was the suburbs that delivered the Democrats their House majority in 2018. They picked up the vast majority of their net 40-seat gain in the suburbs.

Looking at the polling right now, it would seem the suburbs may be doing Republicans in again. Unless Trump turns it around in the suburbs, he could be heading towards being a one-term president.

Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Thomas Graves on July 19, 2020, 06:12:20 PM
Storing? Get on a plane. Somebody needs your counsel! ::)

New polls show Joe Biden is winning suburbanites by a historic margin

Harry Enten

The new ABC News/Washington Post poll is the latest to show former Vice President Joe Biden on a roll.

He leads President Donald Trump 55% to 40% among registered voters. (It's a slightly tighter 54% to 44% among likely voters). The poll comes on top of other surveys last week from Fox News, NBC News/Wall Street Journal and Quinnipiac University giving Biden anywhere from an 8 to 15 point advantage.

Biden's advantage in the polls is most evident in the suburbs, where he is earning a historic amount of support for a Democrat.

Biden is up by a 52% to 43% margin among suburban voters in the ABC News/Washington Post poll.

Other polls in the last month show Biden in as good or even better position among suburban voters. The latest Fox News poll has Biden with 49% to 38% lead. Quinnipiac University poll puts Biden ahead by a 56% to 34% margin with suburbanites. The NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist Poll has Biden beating Trump 60% to 35% among suburban voters.

Our early June CNN poll had Biden with a 14-point lead in the suburbs.

In the average of all the polls, Biden's ahead by more than 15 points with suburban voters. This is a historic margin, if it holds.

The fact that Biden is doing so well in the suburbs shouldn't be a surprise. The suburbs are a bellwether vote of sorts in our current political environment. That is, the suburban vote mirrors the national vote closer than the urban or rural vote.

Biden's lead in the suburbs is reflective of him doing significantly better than Hillary Clinton. Four years ago at this time, Trump was beating Clinton by a 45% to 35% margin in the ABC/Washington Post poll among suburban voters.

In other words, we're looking at nearly a 20-point improvement for Biden versus where Clinton was at this point in the 2016 campaign.

A look across the final polls and post-election polls from four years ago shows anything from a small Clinton advantage (e.g. 5 points in the final Fox News poll) to a small Trump advantage (e.g. 4 points in the exit poll).

If you were to go back over time, the exit poll data reveals that no Democrat has won the suburban vote by more than 5 points since at least 1972, when the first exit poll was taken in a presidential election.

(I should note that different pollsters define "suburb" differently. Some use a Zip Code definition and others just ask, for example. Still, by none of the commonly used definitions, has a Democrat done as well as Biden is currently doing in them since at least 1972.)

Winning Democratic candidates do tend to carry the suburbs, though none by as much as any of the polls currently have Biden ahead in them. Back in 2008 (the best year for Democrats this century), Obama won in the suburbs by 2 points in the exit polls. The final ABC News/Washington Post poll had him winning in the suburbs by 5 points.

Lyndon Johnson in 1964 was maybe the only Democrat in the last 70 years who probably won by double-digits in the suburbs. He won overall by 23 points that year. Although no exit poll data is available from that year, the American National Election Studies shows he did about 10 points worse in the suburbs than he did nationally.

The clear difference between the 1964 and 2020 elections is that Biden, at this point, is running ahead of his national numbers in the suburbs. Biden's lead overall in the polls with a suburban crosstab averages out to be about 13 points.

You can see this dynamic play out in a state like Pennsylvania. In the latest Monmouth University poll, Biden leads 53% to 40% overall among registered voters. He scores a 54% to 35% margin in the swing areas from the Philadelphia suburbs to northeast Pennsylvania. Clinton won those counties by a mere point four years ago, as she lost the state by 1 point.

Indeed, the suburbs have been a problem for Trump and the Republicans during the Trump presidency. It was the suburbs that delivered the Democrats their House majority in 2018. They picked up the vast majority of their net 40-seat gain in the suburbs.

Looking at the polling right now, it would seem the suburbs may be doing Republicans in again. Unless Trump turns it around in the suburbs, he could be heading towards being a one-term president.

I fear fascistic KGB Mafia-boy Putin has some tricks up his sleeve to keep his favorite useful idiot in power indefinitely.

--  MWT  ;)
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 19, 2020, 06:21:05 PM
  What do You HATERS think was being Called For and is Now being implemented in Minn? What about the 1 BILLION $$$ DEFUNDED/DIVERTED outta the NY City Police Budget? Cut the  BS:. Ma & Pa Kettle's across this Nation KNOW what is going down no matter what gobbledegook vernacular is used in an attempt to Disguise it. Minneapolis in Ruins, NY City in Ruins, Chi Town in Ruins, DC in Ruins, Portland in Ruins, and on and on and on. And Fuzzy Joe wants to: (1) Defund/Divert Police $$$ ?  (2) ABOLISH the Internal Combustion Engine/Automobile Industry? (3) RETROFIT Every major structure in the United States? (4) DEMAND Ma & Pa Kettle Surrender their Gun(s) on their  own Front Porch? (5) Eliminate Cows/Dairy Industry? ALL of this amidst Major Cities being burned to the ground? Once again, the Ma & Pa Kettle's across America ain't gonna let this happen!
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Ray Mitcham on July 19, 2020, 06:25:42 PM
Quote by Trump from interview with Wallace.
"Everybody thought this summer it would go away and it would come back in the fall.
Well, when the summer came, they used to say the heat — the heat was good for it and it really knocks it out, remember?
And then it might come back in the fall. So they got that one wrong.”"

"Everybody thought..."   The only one who thought  it would go, in the heat of the Summer,  was Trump himself.

So yes, They he got that one wrong. Didn't he Storing? Bet you don't answer.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: John Tonkovich on July 19, 2020, 06:27:19 PM
  What do You HATERS think was being Called For and is Now being implemented in Minn? What about the 1 BILLION $$$ DEFUNDED/DIVERTED outta the NY City Police Budget? Cut the  BS:. Ma & Pa Kettle's across this Nation KNOW what is going down no matter what gobbledegook vernacular is used in an attempt to Disguise it. Minneapolis in Ruins, NY City in Ruins, Chi Town in Ruins, DC in Ruins, Portland in Ruins, and on and on and on. And Fuzzy Joe wants to: (1) Defund/Divert Police $$$ ?  (2) ABOLISH the Internal Combustion Engine/Automobile Industry? (3) RETROFIT Every major structure in the United States? (4) DEMAND Ma & Pa Kettle Surrender their Gun(s) on their  own Front Porch? (5) Eliminate Cows/Dairy Industry? ALL of this amidst Major Cities being burned to the ground? Once again, the Ma & Pa Kettle's across America ain't gonna let this happen!
Wow.

By the way, I'll ask again, do Black Lives Matter?
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 19, 2020, 06:32:35 PM
  What do You HATERS think was being Called For and is Now being implemented in Minn? What about the 1 BILLION $$$ DEFUNDED/DIVERTED outta the NY City Police Budget? Cut the  BS:. Ma & Pa Kettle's across this Nation KNOW what is going down no matter what gobbledegook vernacular is used in an attempt to Disguise it. Minneapolis in Ruins, NY City in Ruins, Chi Town in Ruins, DC in Ruins, Portland in Ruins, and on and on and on. And Fuzzy Joe wants to: (1) Defund/Divert Police $$$ ?  (2) ABOLISH the Internal Combustion Engine/Automobile Industry? (3) RETROFIT Every major structure in the United States? (4) DEMAND Ma & Pa Kettle Surrender their Gun(s) on their  own Front Porch? (5) Eliminate Cows/Dairy Industry? ALL of this amidst Major Cities being burned to the ground? Once again, the Ma & Pa Kettle's across America ain't gonna let this happen!

What do You HATERS think was being Called For and is Now being implemented in Minn? What about the 1 BILLION $$$ DEFUNDED/DIVERTED outta the NY City Police Budget? Cut the  BS:. Ma & Pa Kettle's across this Nation KNOW what is going down no matter what gobbledegook vernacular is used in an attempt to Disguise it. Minneapolis in Ruins, NY City in Ruins, Chi Town in Ruins, DC in Ruins, Portland in Ruins, and on and on and on.

Ma & Pa Kettle also know all this stuff has happened on Trump's watch! The blame game isn't going to get Trump out of trouble. 


And Fuzzy Joe wants to: (1) Defund/Divert Police $$$ ?  (2) ABOLISH the Internal Combustion Engine/Automobile Industry? (3) RETROFIT Every major structure in the United States? (4) DEMAND Ma & Pa Kettle Surrender their Gun(s) on their  own Front Porch? (5) Eliminate Cows/Dairy Industry?

More scaremongering

ALL of this amidst Major Cities being burned to the ground? Once again, the Ma & Pa Kettle's across America ain't gonna let this happen!

Indeed..... which is why they will kick Trump and his Republican ilk out of office!
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 19, 2020, 06:37:07 PM

    That SURVEY conducted by ABC/Wash Post did Not even KNOW if those they contacted were Registered Voters. Stop with the Bogus Surveys/"RANDOM SAMPLES". There is absolutely Nothing Scientific about the Predetermined Outcomes of Any of these SURVEYS. On the other hand, I watched a Scientist/Prof yesterday that employs MATHEMATICAL VOTING MODELS derived from previous elections to predict the outcomes of POTUS Elections. This guy got the "16" Election Correct, along with employing his Mathematical Voting Model on Previous POTUS Elections. His Mathematical Voting Models have predicted the Winner in 25 of the last 27 POTUS Elections. You will NOT see this SCIENTIST on any of your Fake News Sources. This is due to Who his Mathematical Voting Models Predict will Win In Nov. Yeah. Trump does Indeed have SCIENCE on his side this Nov.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 19, 2020, 06:49:02 PM
    That SURVEY conducted by ABC/Wash Post did Not even KNOW if those they contacted were Registered Voters. Stop with the Bogus Surveys/"RANDOM SAMPLES". There is absolutely Nothing Scientific about the Predetermined Outcomes of Any of these SURVEYS. On the other hand, I watched a Scientist/Prof yesterday that employs MATHEMATICAL VOTING MODELS derived from previous elections to predict the outcomes of POTUS Elections. This guy got the "16" Election Correct, along with employing his Mathematical Voting Model on Previous POTUS Elections. His Mathematical Voting Models have predicted the Winner in 25 of the last 27 POTUS Elections. You will NOT see this SCIENTIST on any of your Fake News Sources. This is due to Who his Mathematical Voting Models Predict will Win In Nov. Yeah. Trump does Indeed have SCIENCE on his side this Nov.

What happened to the "internals"?  :D

Now you need to rely on voodoo science by some unnamed "scientist"? Oh the desperation.....
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: John Tonkovich on July 19, 2020, 08:23:27 PM
Mr. Storing keeps us aware of Trump "talking points".
Thanks.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 19, 2020, 10:21:04 PM
  Dems' Worst Nightmares: (1) Corona Vaccine, (2) Sheriff Trump sends his "Untouchables" to All of these outta control Dem Cities and Law & Order is methodically restored! 
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 19, 2020, 10:41:47 PM
  Dems' Worst Nightmares: (1) Corona Vaccine, (2) Sheriff Trump sends his "Untouchables" to All of these outta control Dem Cities and Law & Order is methodically restored!

Dems' Worst Nightmares:

(1) Corona Vaccine,


Stop being silly. That's nobody's nightmare. You are pretty pathetic and sick if your only argument is that other people love to see people die from a virus. Typical Republican crap. Beyond contempt!

(2) Sheriff Trump sends his "Untouchables" to All of these outta control Dem Cities and Law & Order is methodically restored!

That should be everybody's nightmare as it is what dictators do. The mere fact that you seem to applaud violence against civilians by masked Nazi-like troops says a great deal about you. Perhaps you should move to Russia, China (remember Tianamen Square) or North Korea where you can have such "fun" everyday.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 19, 2020, 10:42:31 PM
  Dems' Worst Nightmares: (1) Corona Vaccine, (2) Sheriff Trump sends his "Untouchables" to All of these outta control Dem Cities and Law & Order is methodically restored!

Storing worst nightmare: Dr. Fauci, certainly more respected than the lunatic in the WH doesn’t expect a vaccine any time soon. That’s unfortunate but that’s the real world. His untouchables as you call them are paramilitary Nazi’s. America won’t stand for that. America was built on protest. The disorderly and looters should be arrested. Now, take a moment, calm down and pour yourself a disinfectant and sit outside for a few moments. It’s a beautiful day in the neighborhood per ALL polling.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 19, 2020, 10:58:26 PM
   I look at Fauci and Birx as being the modern day equivalents of the Movie Stars that used to travel across the U.S. making appearances during WW2. Fauci and Birx are Morale Boosters. They are contributing Nothing scientifically to the Corona Effort. The Real Heavy Lifting is being done backstage by those that are tirelessly searching for a vaccine. Fauci and Birx are currently Window Dressing. They certainly have a "Role" to play, but their contribution is Not monumental and either/both of them could easily be replaced.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 19, 2020, 11:00:42 PM
   I look at Fauci and Birx as being the modern day equivalents of the Movie Stars that used to travel across the U.S. making appearances during WW2. Fauci and Birx are Morale Boosters. They are contributing Nothing scientifically to the Corona Effort. The Real Heavy Lifting is being done backstage by those that are tirelessly searching for a vaccine. Fauci and Birx are currently Window Dressing. They certainly have a "Role" to play, but their contribution is Not monumental and either/both of them could easily be replaced.

Your ignorance is staggering.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 19, 2020, 11:02:33 PM
   I look at Fauci and Birx as being the modern day equivalents of the Movie Stars that used to travel across the U.S. making appearances during WW2. Fauci and Birx are Morale Boosters. They are contributing Nothing scientifically to the Corona Effort. The Real Heavy Lifting is being done backstage by those that are tirelessly searching for a vaccine. Fauci and Birx are currently Window Dressing. They certainly have a "Role" to play, but their contribution is Not monumental and either/both of them could easily be replaced.

And that posting shows just how ignorant you are. I thank you. Next I’ll teach you about polling. Ready to learn?
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 19, 2020, 11:03:27 PM
  Non Responsive post by Both of you.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 19, 2020, 11:05:43 PM
  Non Responsive post by Both of you.

Ignorance doesn't need a response
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 19, 2020, 11:11:00 PM
  Non Responsive post by Both of you.
Yet, Americans trust Fauci 2-1 versus the WH lunatic. Why is that?
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 19, 2020, 11:11:48 PM
  Semantics. "Divert" = Defund. Once again, "judge a pitcher by the Reaction of the Hitter". The Dem's finally figured out the Overwhelming VOTING Majority of Americans want Nothing to do with cutting the $$$ that goes to funding the cops. Hence, the Dem's running away from Initially calling for: (1) "ABOLISH" the Police, to (2) "DEFUND" The Police, and NOW Fuzzy Joe's (3) "DIVERT" $$$ from the Police. This is a Semantics Game the Dem's play while having their wet finger in the wind of public opinion.  In the meantime, Trump does what he says. He is cleaning up the absolute Mayhem that has been going on in Portland for close to 2 months running. Ma & Pa Kettles across this country are encouraging him to continuing doing this while having their Biscuits & Gravy at the kitchen table.

 :D :D :D

Love this right wing desperation. They can scream it from the mountain top if they want. Donald Trump already was shown to be a pathological liar when he couldn't produce anything where he falsely said "Biden wants to defund the police". Biden is not going to defund the police and Americans know it.   
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 19, 2020, 11:16:14 PM
   I look at Fauci and Birx as being the modern day equivalents of the Movie Stars that used to travel across the U.S. making appearances during WW2. Fauci and Birx are Morale Boosters. They are contributing Nothing scientifically to the Corona Effort. The Real Heavy Lifting is being done backstage by those that are tirelessly searching for a vaccine. Fauci and Birx are currently Window Dressing. They certainly have a "Role" to play, but their contribution is Not monumental and either/both of them could easily be replaced.

Royell like the rest of Trump's corrupt administration want to smear a renowned doctor who specializes in infectious diseases because he is telling the truth. Their goal is to pump disinformation to the American public so they can try to elect Donald Trump. They don't care how many people get sick or die, even their own supporters. These people are dangerous and must be defeated in a massive landslide in November.   
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 19, 2020, 11:16:23 PM
  "Divert" = DEFUND.  Save the Jedi Mind Games for your Dem buddies.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 19, 2020, 11:19:23 PM
Dems' Worst Nightmares: (1) Corona Vaccine, (2) Sheriff Trump sends his "Untouchables" to All of these outta control Dem Cities and Law & Order is methodically restored!

You mean right wing boogaloo's infiltrating cities causing the violence. Americans are not going to vote for a pathological liar who killed over 142,000,peoppe by neglect. Won't be surprised if Donald Trump touts some vaccine in October that doesn't even work as some scam.   
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 19, 2020, 11:25:23 PM
Royell like the rest of Trump's corrupt administration want to smear a renowned doctor who specializes in infectious diseases because he is telling the truth. Their goal is to pump disinformation to the American public so they can try to elect Donald Trump. They don't care how many people get sick or die, even their own supporters. These people are dangerous and must be defeated in a massive landslide in November.   

   Where's the alleged "smear"? Both Fauci and Birx  make appearances and Repeatedly tell the populace: (1) Frequently wash your hands, (2) Do Not Touch your face, (3) Maintain Social Distancing, (4) Flatten the Curve, and recently, (5) Wear a Mask. You guys need to watch footage of Hope & Crosby during WW2. These people have roles to play, but life and death is Not remotely involved. Getta Grip!
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 19, 2020, 11:26:07 PM
That SURVEY conducted by ABC/Wash Post did Not even KNOW if those they contacted were Registered Voters. Stop with the Bogus Surveys/"RANDOM SAMPLES". There is absolutely Nothing Scientific about the Predetermined Outcomes of Any of these SURVEYS. On the other hand, I watched a Scientist/Prof yesterday that employs MATHEMATICAL VOTING MODELS derived from previous elections to predict the outcomes of POTUS Elections. This guy got the "16" Election Correct, along with employing his Mathematical Voting Model on Previous POTUS Elections. His Mathematical Voting Models have predicted the Winner in 25 of the last 27 POTUS Elections. You will NOT see this SCIENTIST on any of your Fake News Sources. This is due to Who his Mathematical Voting Models Predict will Win In Nov. Yeah. Trump does Indeed have SCIENCE on his side this Nov.

Donald Trump doesn't believe in science. 51 million unemployed Americans, the families and friends of 142,000 dead, the 3.7 million infected and their families and friends are not voting for a pathological liar who made them sick calling the whole thing a hoax.

Donald Trump destroyed America. He destroyed Obama's economy. He destroyed millions of lives. The United States is looked down upon. Not even 20% of the population as any national pride.

Pollsters make a living doing their work and have a reputation to uphold. Donald Trump is losing badly. Royell is here to bring disinformation and despair.  His claims are ridiculous.           
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 19, 2020, 11:30:47 PM
   Where's the alleged "smear"? Both Fauci and Birx  make appearances and Repeatedly tell the populace: (1) Frequently wash your hands, (2) Do Not Touch your face, (3) Maintain Social Distancing, (4) Flatten the Curve, and recently, (5) Wear a Mask. You guys need to watch footage of Hope & Crosby during WW2. These people have roles to play, but life and death is Not remotely involved. Getta Grip!

New Zealand followed orders with a national lockdown. They are a functioning country. The United States is a disaster with thousands of people dying a day with tens of thousands of new cases each day. That's failed leadership.   

Dr. Fauci is smeared everyday by the right wing media. Only 30% of Americans trust Donald Trump which is his kool aid drinking base. The top economic model that correctly predicts elections only had Donald Trump getting 35%. That is a massive landslide.   
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 19, 2020, 11:32:35 PM

   Trump's "Untouchables" are Liberators. Try getting away from your Fake News Source(s) and actually listen to those that Live and have Businesses in Portland and Minneapolis.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 19, 2020, 11:34:34 PM
Donald Trump doesn't believe in science. 51 million unemployed Americans, the families and friends of 142,000 dead, the 3.7 million infected and their families and friends are not voting for a pathological liar who made them sick calling the whole thing a hoax.

Donald Trump destroyed America. He destroyed Obama's economy. He destroyed millions of lives. The United States is looked down upon. Not even 20% of the population as any national pride.

Pollsters make a living doing their work and have a reputation to uphold. Donald Trump is losing badly. Royell is here to bring disinformation and despair.  His claims are ridiculous.         

   "Pollsters have a reputation to Uphold"?  HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 19, 2020, 11:37:00 PM
  "Divert" = DEFUND.  Save the Jedi Mind Games for your Dem buddies.

These right wingers are disinformation artists. They have no issues and can only spread bogus propaganda.


Joe Biden did not call for defunding the police
https://apnews.com/afs:Content:9083703494


Joe Biden Declares Definitively, "I Do Not Support Defunding Police"
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/06/10/joe-biden-declares-definitively-i-do-not-support-defunding-police/#1010f355aeab
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 19, 2020, 11:38:10 PM
   "Pollsters have a reputation to Uphold"?  HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Go ahead and laugh. Pollsters are accurate and Donald Trump's own internal polls show exactly the same.  ;)

Donald Trump looked sweaty moron with Chris Wallace on Faux. Viewers got to see what an idiot this clown is.

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/07/i-dont-think-im-fake-news-chris-wallace-fact-checks-trump-as-he-melts-down-over-rate/

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/07/republican-leaders-are-starting-to-ignore-trump-after-months-of-coronavirus-flubs-including-mike-pence-nyt/
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 19, 2020, 11:39:12 PM
  "Divert" = DEFUND! No getting around that whatever Verbal Pretzeling is attempted.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 19, 2020, 11:41:04 PM
Go ahead and laugh. Pollsters are accurate and Donald Trump's own internal polls show exactly the same.  ;)

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/07/republican-leaders-are-starting-to-ignore-trump-after-months-of-coronavirus-flubs-including-mike-pence-nyt/

   Yeah they were "Right" in 2016 and Trump is Pres?   Put down that hash pipe.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 19, 2020, 11:43:12 PM
Yeah they were "Right" in 2016 and Trump is Pres?   Put down that hash pipe.

Put down yours.

Biden Maintains Solid Lead

A new Fox News poll shows Joe Biden leading Donald Trump nationally, 49% to 41%.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Ray Mitcham on July 19, 2020, 11:43:47 PM
Quote by Trump from interview with Wallace.
"Everybody thought this summer it would go away and it would come back in the fall.
Well, when the summer came, they used to say the heat — the heat was good for it and it really knocks it out, remember?
And then it might come back in the fall. So they got that one wrong.”"

"Everybody thought..."   The only one who thought  it would go, in the heat of the Summer,  was Trump himself.

So yes, They he got that one wrong. Didn't he Storing? Bet you don't answer.

Bump to see if Storing answers this time.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 19, 2020, 11:45:52 PM
   Where's the alleged "smear"? Both Fauci and Birx  make appearances and Repeatedly tell the populace: (1) Frequently wash your hands, (2) Do Not Touch your face, (3) Maintain Social Distancing, (4) Flatten the Curve, and recently, (5) Wear a Mask. You guys need to watch footage of Hope & Crosby during WW2. These people have roles to play, but life and death is Not remotely involved. Getta Grip!

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. But, hey, what else is new?
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 19, 2020, 11:48:14 PM
   Trump's "Untouchables" are Liberators. Try getting away from your Fake News Source(s) and actually listen to those that Live and have Businesses in Portland and Minneapolis.

Trump's "Untouchables" are Liberators.

Yeah, that's similar to what Hitler said when he invaded Austria....
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 19, 2020, 11:51:02 PM
Put down yours.

Biden Maintains Solid Lead

A new Fox News poll shows Joe Biden leading Donald Trump nationally, 49% to 41%.

    What I tell you about the Public SURVEYS at some point catching up with the Internals?  That FOX SURVEY has Trump GAINING 4 PTS.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Ray Mitcham on July 19, 2020, 11:53:26 PM
Quote by Trump from interview with Wallace.
"Everybody thought this summer it would go away and it would come back in the fall.
Well, when the summer came, they used to say the heat — the heat was good for it and it really knocks it out, remember?
And then it might come back in the fall. So they got that one wrong.”"

"Everybody thought..."   The only one who thought  it would go, in the heat of the Summer,  was Trump himself.

So yes, They he got that one wrong. Didn't he Storing? Bet you don't answer.

Bump  yet again to see if Storing has an answer. Got one Storing?
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 19, 2020, 11:53:40 PM
   Trump's "Untouchables" are Liberators. Try getting away from your Fake News Source(s) and actually listen to those that Live and have Businesses in Portland and Minneapolis.

His Gestapo that is what Hitler had. Another reason Donald Trump is losing in a landslide. Business owners know outsiders are causing the violence. Right wing extremists who infiltrate the protests. They were arrested in Minneapolis.


US Intelligence Turns to the Boogaloo Movement
After downplaying the threat of right-wing domestic terrorism, top intelligence agencies take notice of a rising militia.

https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/intelligence-agencies-boogaloo/
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 19, 2020, 11:53:53 PM
    What I tell you about the Public SURVEYS at some point catching up with the Internals?  That FOX SURVEY has Trump GAINING 4 PTS.

And ONE more time you show NO knowledge of polling/surveys. Want an education? Want to actually learn something? Or, do you choose to remain ignorant? Pick one.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 19, 2020, 11:54:47 PM
His Gestapo that is what Hitler had. Another reason Donald Trump is losing in a landslide. Business owners know outsiders are causing the violence. Right wing extremists who infiltrate the protests. They were arrested in Minneapolis.


US Intelligence Turns to the Boogaloo Movement
After downplaying the threat of right-wing domestic terrorism, top intelligence agencies take notice of a rising militia.

https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/intelligence-agencies-boogaloo/

   Trumps "Untouchables" = LIBERATORS
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Ray Mitcham on July 19, 2020, 11:56:35 PM
Why haven't the Democrats started shouting "Throw him out!"
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 19, 2020, 11:56:42 PM
What I tell you about the Public SURVEYS at some point catching up with the Internals?  That FOX SURVEY has Trump GAINING 4 PTS.

Donald Trump's internal polls show him losing in a landslide. He demoted his failed campaign manager who was robbing him blind. Every poll has  Donald Trump losing from 8-15 points. And you think that is "catching up"  :D :D :D 
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 20, 2020, 12:00:12 AM
   Yeah they were "Right" in 2016 and Trump is Pres?   Put down that hash pipe.

You kidding? Why do you continue to demonstrate polling ignorance? Remarkable. The polling in 2016 was 99% right. Clinton won the popular vote by 3 million votes. Trump won 3 unexpected precincts by 77,000 votes TOTAL. HTF do YOU not know this? Those seeking your “counsel” must be dumber than you. Is that possible?
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 20, 2020, 12:01:15 AM
   Trumps "Untouchables" = LIBERATORS

Are you a Nazi wannabe or just a delusional idiot?
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 20, 2020, 12:07:33 AM
Are you a Nazi wannabe or just a delusional idiot?

We know the answer. He’s a white supremacist just like the lunatic in the WH.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 20, 2020, 12:12:02 AM
  Anybody thinking the 2016 POTUS Polling was anywhere close to "99% right" is whacked. 538 had Hillary WINNING Florida, Wisc, Mich, & Penn. STOP with the Revisionist History routine. Some of Us actually KNOW who predicted what.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 20, 2020, 12:15:38 AM
You kidding? Why do you continue to demonstrate polling ignorance? Remarkable. The polling in 2016 was 99% right. Clinton won the popular vote by 3 million votes. Trump won 3 unexpected precincts by 77,000 votes TOTAL. HTF do YOU not know this? Those seeking your “counsel” must be dumber than you. Is that possible?

The polls were accurate 2016. Disinformation artists try to claim polls are "fake" and not accurate. Comey came out a few days before the election with his b.s. and Donald Trump barely won by 77,000 votes.

In the Pennsylvania primary 70,000 Republicans voted against Donald Trump in the Pennsylvania primary. Those votes alone are enough to defeat Donald Trump in Pennsylvania where he only won by a few thousand.     
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 20, 2020, 12:18:33 AM
  Anybody thinking the 2016 POTUS Polling was anywhere close to "99% right" is whacked. 538 had Hillary WINNING Florida, Wisc, Mich, & Penn. STOP with the Revisionist History routine. Some of Us actually KNOW who predicted what.

I can only shake my head at this ignorance. The typical Trump supporter oh, and Nazi admirer.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 20, 2020, 12:19:28 AM
Anybody thinking the 2016 POTUS Polling was anywhere close to "99% right" is whacked. 538 had Hillary WINNING Florida, Wisc, Mich, & Penn. STOP with the Revisionist History routine. Some of Us actually KNOW who predicted what.

Clinton was predicted to win within the margin of error. This election is outside the margin of error and Donald Trump is losing in a landslide. For such an "insider" and "campaign pollster" you don't know anything.

Royell is a dude who sits on the couch watching far right wing garbage pretending he "is in the know". Twitter is full of these clowns on both the right and the left.     


Trump's attempts to scare white voters away from Joe Biden is blowing up in his face

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/07/trumps-attempts-to-scare-white-voters-away-from-joe-biden-is-blowing-up-in-his-face-nbc-analyst/
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 20, 2020, 12:20:47 AM
   Trumps "Untouchables" = LIBERATORS

Nazi Gestapo and Royell is fine with it. Anybody who praises this is Anti American.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 20, 2020, 12:24:16 AM
Nazi Gestapo and Royell is fine with it. Anybody who praises this is Anti American.

Anti-American? He’s anti anything that isn’t white.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 20, 2020, 12:26:38 AM
  Anybody thinking the 2016 POTUS Polling was anywhere close to "99% right" is whacked. 538 had Hillary WINNING Florida, Wisc, Mich, & Penn. STOP with the Revisionist History routine. Some of Us actually KNOW who predicted what.

You must be really getting desperate, wanting the things to be the same in November as they were in 2016.

They won't be!

So far all you have been doing is whining and rambling on about fake news, Joe and Hunter Biden, polls that got it wrong in 2016, a go nowhere Durham investigation and gestapo like forces going after civilians. What you haven't done is give one sound reason for Trump's re-election. What has the idiot done in the past 4 years to get re-elected? I'll probably won't get an answer, as you usually have none, but I gave it a try anyway.....
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 20, 2020, 12:31:00 AM
I can only shake my head at this ignorance. The typical Trump supporter oh, and Nazi admirer.

   Heck of a rebuttal. Of course, there is No rebutting FACT!
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 20, 2020, 12:32:24 AM
   Heck of a rebuttal. Of course, there is No rebutting FACT!

The only fact there is that you are a completely ignorant fool
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 20, 2020, 12:36:08 AM


  Yeah, I know I got ya when ALL you have left is Name Calling. Thanks for playing Jr.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 20, 2020, 12:37:00 AM
I continue hearing how enthusiastic Trump’s base is. That Joe Biden has no enthusiasm. Joe is a fairly low key guy. That being said, the national enthusiasm not necessarily for Joe but to remove the maniac in the WH is growing and growing. We’re past the stage of polling registered voters.Those being polled now, some 100 days before the election are likely voters. As the enthusiasm grows against Trump, that will be reflected in polling #’s. Trump’s base is shrinking. He knows that, hence he fired his campaign manager. The panic is setting in. It will only grow worse as the summer wears on and more Americans die from pandemic. Never, ever has there been less leadership nationally in America. Americans came together after Pearl Harbor. After 9/11. They will again 11/3.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 20, 2020, 12:37:56 AM
You must be really getting desperate, wanting the things to be the same in November as they were in 2016.

They won't be!

2016 is not the same as 2020 and poor souls like Royell keep trying to claim it is. No election is the same.

Hillary Clinton was losing big in Utah, Montana, Arizona, Texas, Missouri, Arkansas, Georgia, North Carolina.

Joe Biden has comfortable leads in Arizona and North Carolina. He is leading by 4 points in Texas and by 4 in Georgia. He is barely trailing in Utah, Montana, Missouri, and Arkansas. These are ruby red states. Biden is up by 8 or more in the battleground states. This is not 2016. Biden is outperforming Clinton everywhere and the GOP is freaked out.

Here is another example, Tennessee.

Donald Trump won that state in 2016 by 26 points. Joe Biden cut that massive defeat down to only 9 points. That's how badly Donald Trump is doing  on his home turf in safe ruby red states. He is unpopular even in solid red states. All this ma and pa Kettle talk and "silent majority" is b.s.                 
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 20, 2020, 12:43:41 AM

  Yeah, I know I got ya when ALL you have left is Name Calling. Thanks for playing Jr.

HATER
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 20, 2020, 12:49:38 AM


  The latest SURVEY released by ABC/WashPost was merely "RANDOM Sample". Please STOP claiming these SURVEYS are "likely voters". That claim is Blatant  BS:
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 20, 2020, 12:54:51 AM

  The latest SURVEY released by ABC/WashPost was merely "RANDOM Sample". Please STOP claiming these SURVEYS are "likely voters". That claim is Blatant  BS:

Says the king of blatant claims.

You are still not going to believe that Trump lost the 2020 election when Joe Biden leaves office, won't you?
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 20, 2020, 12:56:45 AM
Here is the moronic idiot Royell Storing worships. A total imbecile. :D 


Unpresidented Idiot: Donald Trump Humiliates Himself on Fox News #UnpresidentedIdiot

Our video highlights a particularly odd and depressing moment in the Donald Trump - Chris Wallace Fox News interview when Trump discusses the cognitive test he took, and Wallace states he took the so-called cognitive test and it was quite easy. Trump then pretended to act like passing the test was a feat of brilliance and Wallace methodically went through the questioning and showed the questions were as simple as identifying what an elephant looks like.

Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 20, 2020, 12:57:01 AM

  The latest SURVEY released by ABC/WashPost was merely "RANDOM Sample". Please STOP claiming these SURVEYS are "likely voters". That claim is Blatant  BS:

lol. Astounding. You STILL have no clue about polling/surveys. None. Zero. Zilch. You call yourself a “counsel”. Exactly what what/whom do you counsel? You demonstrate little education and no desire to learn. Why exactly would anybody pay a flaming racist with little to no demonstrated ability at anything relating to politics a dime? Just one more red neck clown trying to sound important.kind of obvious at this point.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 20, 2020, 01:00:16 AM


  "Likely Voters"? Pure Unadulterated  BS:
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 20, 2020, 01:02:03 AM

  My client list involves NDA's.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 20, 2020, 01:04:56 AM
lol. Astounding. You STILL have no clue about polling/surveys. None. Zero. Zilch. You call yourself a “counsel”. Exactly what what/whom do you counsel? You demonstrate little education and no desire to learn. Why exactly would anybody pay a flaming racist with little to no demonstrated ability at anything relating to politics a dime? Just one more red neck clown trying to sound important.kind of obvious at this point.

Royell watches Faux Propaganda and OANN and reads up on Q pretending he is an "insider" on the forum. Twitter is full of these clowns who post disinformation propping up Donald Trump. After you debunk thier garbage, they jump to a new conspiracy, and then repeat the old ones all over again.   
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 20, 2020, 01:07:37 AM

  You would Know ALL about Twitter. Loaded with Drama Queens. Not my bailiwick.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 20, 2020, 01:08:38 AM
  My client list involves NDA's.

 :D   :D   :D   :D   :D   :D   :D   :D
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 20, 2020, 01:10:20 AM
  You would Know ALL about Twitter. Loaded with Drama Queens. Not my bailiwick.

So true... Twitter's biggest drama queen is in the White House....
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 20, 2020, 01:10:43 AM
  My client list involves NDA's.

So people don’t want you discussing how high/low you mow their grass?
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 20, 2020, 01:14:39 AM


 Well, I can Guarantee that My clients are "Likely Voters".
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 20, 2020, 01:14:58 AM

  "Likely Voters"? Pure Unadulterated  BS:

Read AND learn. You don’t know the difference between a poll and a pole!

https://news.gallup.com/poll/110287/what-difference-between-registered-voters-likely-voters.aspx
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 20, 2020, 01:29:09 AM
Here is the moronic idiot Royell Storing worships. A total imbecile. :D 


Unpresidented Idiot: Donald Trump Humiliates Himself on Fox News #UnpresidentedIdiot

Our video highlights a particularly odd and depressing moment in the Donald Trump - Chris Wallace Fox News interview when Trump discusses the cognitive test he took, and Wallace states he took the so-called cognitive test and it was quite easy. Trump then pretended to act like passing the test was a feat of brilliance and Wallace methodically went through the questioning and showed the questions were as simple as identifying what an elephant looks like.


Donald Trump paid to have someone else take his SAT. He once pondered nuking hurricanes. He also called the coronavirus a hoax. He then suggested Americans inject themselves with Lysol to cure the coronavirus. @realDonaldTrump is a real #UnpresidentedIdiot
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 20, 2020, 01:30:45 AM
Storing’s demonstrated ignorance of polling one more time demonstrates how easy it is to pretend, online to be more than what he actually is. He called “likely voters” polling “pure BS” until I posted a link. It’s been around for decades. Of course he didn’t know this. So, he then attempts to impress us by claiming his clients require NDA’s. These must be the clients he counsels. Roflmao. When all else fails, he disappears.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 20, 2020, 01:36:11 AM
Storing’s demonstrated ignorance of polling one more time demonstrates how easy it is to pretend, online to be more than what he actually is. He called “likely voters” polling “pure BS” until I posted a link. It’s been around for decades. Of course he didn’t know this. So, he then attempts to impress us by claiming his clients require NDA’s. These must be the clients he counsels. Roflmao. When all else fails, he disappears.

Why would Royell understand the term "likely voters"? His right wing media doesn't tell him what it means. Royell believes in imaginary internal poll numbers and a "silent majority" that doesn't exist. Right wing Rasmussen and Faux show Donald Trump losing in a landslide to Joe Biden and he still refuses to believe.     
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 20, 2020, 01:40:55 AM
Why would Royell understand the term "likely voters"? His right wing media doesn't tell him what it means. Royell believes in imaginary internal poll numbers and a "silent majority" that doesn't exist. Right wing Rasmussen and Faux show Donald Trump losing in a landslide to Joe Biden and he still refuses to believe.   

So agree. I guess his “internal” polling isn’t showing Trump’s base is growing smaller and smaller. Not hard to figure. They too are dying in this pandemic that their leader believes will disappear really soon. Just around the corner.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Michael T. Griffith on July 20, 2020, 01:53:05 AM
So agree. I guess his “internal” polling isn’t showing Trump’s base is growing smaller and smaller. Not hard to figure. They too are dying in this pandemic that their leader believes will disappear really soon. Just around the corner.

You really need to leave the COVID-19 panic party and get a grip on reality. Do you realize that the U.S. COVID-19 crude death rate is 0.04276%. That is is 23 times lower than 1%. A crude death rate of 1% among the U.S. population would equal 3,282,000 deaths. After nearly six months into the pandemic, we are nowhere near that number. We're at 143,000 COVID-19 deaths, and the case death rate has *dropped* since most states began to reopen, whereas it skyrocketed for several weeks 2-3 weeks after the lockdowns began, which should not happened according to panic peddlers.

The 1957-1958 Asian Flu pandemic killed the modern equivalent of 216,000 Americans. Yet, there was no lockdown, no shutting down of half the economy, no putting millions of people out of work, no mass closing of schools, etc. Why did we not close schools, shut down half the economy, and put millions of people out of work? Because we decided that such a "cure" be too destructive compared to a more moderate approach.

To put this into further context, consider the following annual death tolls from other causes of death in the U.S.:

640,000 --- heart disease
590,000 --- cancer
250,000 --- medical errors
169,000 –- accidents
160,000 --- chronic lower respiratory diseases

Imagine if the major news outlets reported on medical errors in the same way that most of them have reported on COVID-19. Medical errors kill about 250,000 Americans each year, or about 684 per day, 4,700 per week, or 20,800 per month. Imagine the panic that would occur if we were subjected to daily reports like the following:

“Yesterday over 600 Americans died from medical errors.”
“Last week, 30% more Americans went to the doctor than usual, and the number of deaths from medical errors rose by 4,500.”
“The death toll from medical errors continues to rise, with over 1,800 American dying from medical errors over the last three days alone.”
“Three months into this year have seen over 60,000 Americans die from medical errors.”

The substantial majority of Americans who catch COVID-19 have at least a 98.7% chance of *not* dying from it, according to every statistic we have. People aged 1-49 who catch the virus have a survival rate of at least 99.5%. The **overall average** survival rate in the U.S. is 95.8%, but you really need to look at the survival rates by age group because there is a huge difference between the rates for ages 65 and over and the rates for ages 64 and below.

And, yes, we most certainly can and should reopen the schools:

https://thefederalist.com/2020/07/18/a-new-report-by-health-policy-experts-shows-path-to-reopen-schools/


Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 20, 2020, 02:09:26 AM
You really need to leave the COVID-19 panic party and get a grip on reality. Do you realize that the U.S. COVID-19 crude death rate is 0.04276%. That is is 23 times lower than 1%. A crude death rate of 1% among the U.S. population would equal 3,282,000 deaths. After nearly six months into the pandemic, we are nowhere near that number. We're at 143,000 COVID-19 deaths, and the case death rate has *dropped* since most states began to reopen, whereas it skyrocketed for several weeks 2-3 weeks after the lockdowns began, which should not happened according to panic peddlers.

The 1957-1958 Asian Flu pandemic killed the modern equivalent of 216,000 Americans. Yet, there was no lockdown, no shutting down of half the economy, no putting millions of people out of work, no mass closing of schools, etc. Why did we not close schools, shut down half the economy, and put millions of people out of work? Because we decided that such a "cure" be too destructive compared to a more moderate approach.

To put this into further context, consider the following annual death tolls from other causes of death in the U.S.:

640,000 --- heart disease
590,000 --- cancer
250,000 --- medical errors
169,000 –- accidents
160,000 --- chronic lower respiratory diseases

Imagine if the major news outlets reported on medical errors in the same way that most of them have reported on COVID-19. Medical errors kill about 250,000 Americans each year, or about 684 per day, 4,700 per week, or 20,800 per month. Imagine the panic that would occur if we were subjected to daily reports like the following:

“Yesterday over 600 Americans died from medical errors.”
“Last week, 30% more Americans went to the doctor than usual, and the number of deaths from medical errors rose by 4,500.”
“The death toll from medical errors continues to rise, with over 1,800 American dying from medical errors over the last three days alone.”
“Three months into this year have seen over 60,000 Americans die from medical errors.”

The substantial majority of Americans who catch COVID-19 have at least a 98.7% chance of *not* dying from it, according to every statistic we have. People aged 1-49 who catch the virus have a survival rate of at least 99.5%. The **overall average** survival rate in the U.S. is 95.8%, but you really need to look at the survival rates by age group because there is a huge difference between the rates for ages 65 and over and the rates for ages 64 and below.

And, yes, we most certainly can and should reopen the schools:

https://thefederalist.com/2020/07/18/a-new-report-by-health-policy-experts-shows-path-to-reopen-schools/

 BS: disinformation

There isn't one major country facing this disaster that we are. Making bogus comparisons to cover up for Donald Trump is disgraceful.

Hospitals and doctors are in a panic because all the ICU beds are full. They have no place to put severely sick people.

In Phoenix, they have no place to store dead bodies. They are using temporary refrigerator trucks. I'm tired of all these idiots downplaying this disaster we have going on.

This is not normal and could have been avoided of we had competent leadership. We will once again when Joe Biden is elected in a massive landslide.       
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 20, 2020, 02:14:17 AM
And here we get a view of this amazing 'silent majority' we hear so much about directly behind Eric "Gums" Trump which are thousands of empty blue seats. Donald Trump couldn't even fill a 19,000 seat arena in the most conservative city in America. He is unpopular in red states too.   

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EdU9clNWoAE6F0L?format=jpg)
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 20, 2020, 02:16:44 AM
I continue hearing how enthusiastic Trump’s base is. That Joe Biden has no enthusiasm. Joe is a fairly low key guy. That being said, the national enthusiasm not necessarily for Joe but to remove the maniac in the WH is growing and growing. We’re past the stage of polling registered voters.Those being polled now, some 100 days before the election are likely voters. As the enthusiasm grows against Trump, that will be reflected in polling #’s. Trump’s base is shrinking. He knows that, hence he fired his campaign manager. The panic is setting in. It will only grow worse as the summer wears on and more Americans die from pandemic. Never, ever has there been less leadership nationally in America. Americans came together after Pearl Harbor. After 9/11. They will again 11/3.

   Bump regarding  BS: claim that, "Those being polled NOW, some 100 days before the election are "Likely Voters".  ABC/WashPost RECENTLY  questioned a "RANDOM SAMPLE/1,006". YOU do Not Know, what YOU do Not Know. 
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 20, 2020, 02:22:11 AM
   Bump regarding  BS: claim that, "Those being polled NOW, some 100 days before the election are "Likely Voters".  ABC/WashPost RECENTLY  questioned a "RANDOM SAMPLE/1,006". YOU do Not Know, what YOU do Not Know.

Neither do you.  :D

Americans do not support massive unemployment, death, and infection.     

The point is you don't know anything besides what Q tells you.


Ryan Warned Trump He Was Losing In Wisconsin

Former Speaker Paul Ryan (R-WI) recently warned during a private gathering that President Trump risks losing Wisconsin and other key states to Joe Biden in November.

Said Ryan: “Biden is winning over Trump in this category of voters 70 to 30, and if that sticks, he cannot win states like Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania.”
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 20, 2020, 02:23:23 AM
You really need to leave the COVID-19 panic party and get a grip on reality. Do you realize that the U.S. COVID-19 crude death rate is 0.04276%. That is is 23 times lower than 1%. A crude death rate of 1% among the U.S. population would equal 3,282,000 deaths. After nearly six months into the pandemic, we are nowhere near that number. We're at 143,000 COVID-19 deaths, and the case death rate has *dropped* since most states began to reopen, whereas it skyrocketed for several weeks 2-3 weeks after the lockdowns began, which should not happened according to panic peddlers.

The 1957-1958 Asian Flu pandemic killed the modern equivalent of 216,000 Americans. Yet, there was no lockdown, no shutting down of half the economy, no putting millions of people out of work, no mass closing of schools, etc. Why did we not close schools, shut down half the economy, and put millions of people out of work? Because we decided that such a "cure" be too destructive compared to a more moderate approach.

To put this into further context, consider the following annual death tolls from other causes of death in the U.S.:

640,000 --- heart disease
590,000 --- cancer
250,000 --- medical errors
169,000 –- accidents
160,000 --- chronic lower respiratory diseases

Imagine if the major news outlets reported on medical errors in the same way that most of them have reported on COVID-19. Medical errors kill about 250,000 Americans each year, or about 684 per day, 4,700 per week, or 20,800 per month. Imagine the panic that would occur if we were subjected to daily reports like the following:

“Yesterday over 600 Americans died from medical errors.”
“Last week, 30% more Americans went to the doctor than usual, and the number of deaths from medical errors rose by 4,500.”
“The death toll from medical errors continues to rise, with over 1,800 American dying from medical errors over the last three days alone.”
“Three months into this year have seen over 60,000 Americans die from medical errors.”

The substantial majority of Americans who catch COVID-19 have at least a 98.7% chance of *not* dying from it, according to every statistic we have. People aged 1-49 who catch the virus have a survival rate of at least 99.5%. The **overall average** survival rate in the U.S. is 95.8%, but you really need to look at the survival rates by age group because there is a huge difference between the rates for ages 65 and over and the rates for ages 64 and below.

And, yes, we most certainly can and should reopen the schools:

https://thefederalist.com/2020/07/18/a-new-report-by-health-policy-experts-shows-path-to-reopen-schools/

You really need to leave the COVID-19 panic party and get a grip on reality.

Fight windmills often, Don Q?

After nearly six months into the pandemic, we are nowhere near that number. We're at 143,000 COVID-19 deaths,

Which is the highest number of deaths in the world! Every other countries has less.... Go figure!

Btw, didn't you mean to say: "We're at only 143,000 COVID-19 deaths".... because that's how it came across... Just checkin'

and the case death rate has *dropped* since most states began to reopen, whereas it skyrocketed for several weeks 2-3 weeks after the lockdowns began, which should not happened according to panic peddlers.

BS... I have been in Spain, since early March, and they took a hit at the beginning but they got it under control by a functional lockdown. In the area where I am there have been some 2000 infections and 120 deaths since March and in the last six weeks the numbers have been minimal. The last death was a week ago. To claim a lockdown doesn't work is pathetic. A badly executed lockdown, because of ignorant people who don't give a damn about anybody but themselves and don't follow the rules, doesn't work and that's what you are really talking about!

Btw, the virus has an incubation time of 2 to 3 weeks, so the numbers that skyrocketed 2 to 3 weeks after the lockdowns began originate from before the lockdown.

The 1957-1958 Asian Flu pandemic killed the modern equivalent of 216,000 Americans. Yet, there was no lockdown, no shutting down of half the economy, no putting millions of people out of work, no mass closing of schools, etc. Why did we not close schools, shut down half the economy, and put millions of people out of work? Because we decided that such a "cure" be too destructive compared to a more moderate approach.

Translation; money over people's health.... That is what you are really saying, isn't it!

To put this into further context, consider the following annual death tolls from other causes of death in the U.S.:

640,000 --- heart disease
590,000 --- cancer
250,000 --- medical errors
169,000 –- accidents
160,000 --- chronic lower respiratory diseases


That's not putting it in context. That's spin to minimize the death toll of covid-19. I don't know if the number you give are even correct, but you seem to be saying that the covid-19 deaths are not important because more people die of other causes. That's just sick!

The difference between the covid-19 deaths and those in your list is that the deaths in the list are individual cases of people dying of a cause that they were not infected with by transmission from another person.

The substantial majority of Americans who catch COVID-19 have at least a 98.7% chance of *not* dying from it, according to every statistic we have. People aged 1-49 who catch the virus have a survival rate of at least 99.5%. The **overall average** survival rate in the U.S. is 95.8%, but you really need to look at the survival rates by age group because there is a huge difference between the rates for ages 65 and over and the rates for ages 64 and below.

What you completely fail to understand is that this isn't about the people that survive  the virus. It's about the people that won't because they get infected by somebody who is carrying the virus without showing symptons. Free movement without any kind of protective measures will ensure a faster rate of spreading the virus and ultimately killing the weakest people. Two weeks ago, in Zurich, they opened the nightclubs.... on the first night one person infected 300 others! Contact tracing allowed the authorities to find most of them before the thing got out of hand. The nightclubs are of course closed again and rightly so. You really must be foolishly thinking something like this can not happen in America.....

Stick your statistics where the sun don't shine and the next time you go and see your loved ones prepare a list of all the people you have been in contact with in this opened up economy you want so much... you know, just to be on the safe side....

And, yes, we most certainly can and should reopen the schools:

Kids get infected also.... and then they go to see granddad and grandma..... Get the picture?
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 20, 2020, 02:28:15 AM
You really need to leave the COVID-19 panic party and get a grip on reality. Do you realize that the U.S. COVID-19 crude death rate is 0.04276%. That is is 23 times lower than 1%. A crude death rate of 1% among the U.S. population would equal 3,282,000 deaths. After nearly six months into the pandemic, we are nowhere near that number. We're at 143,000 COVID-19 deaths, and the case death rate has *dropped* since most states began to reopen, whereas it skyrocketed for several weeks 2-3 weeks after the lockdowns began, which should not happened according to panic peddlers.

The 1957-1958 Asian Flu pandemic killed the modern equivalent of 216,000 Americans. Yet, there was no lockdown, no shutting down of half the economy, no putting millions of people out of work, no mass closing of schools, etc. Why did we not close schools, shut down half the economy, and put millions of people out of work? Because we decided that such a "cure" be too destructive compared to a more moderate approach.

To put this into further context, consider the following annual death tolls from other causes of death in the U.S.:

640,000 --- heart disease
590,000 --- cancer
250,000 --- medical errors
169,000 –- accidents
160,000 --- chronic lower respiratory diseases

Imagine if the major news outlets reported on medical errors in the same way that most of them have reported on COVID-19. Medical errors kill about 250,000 Americans each year, or about 684 per day, 4,700 per week, or 20,800 per month. Imagine the panic that would occur if we were subjected to daily reports like the following:

“Yesterday over 600 Americans died from medical errors.”
“Last week, 30% more Americans went to the doctor than usual, and the number of deaths from medical errors rose by 4,500.”
“The death toll from medical errors continues to rise, with over 1,800 American dying from medical errors over the last three days alone.”
“Three months into this year have seen over 60,000 Americans die from medical errors.”

The substantial majority of Americans who catch COVID-19 have at least a 98.7% chance of *not* dying from it, according to every statistic we have. People aged 1-49 who catch the virus have a survival rate of at least 99.5%. The **overall average** survival rate in the U.S. is 95.8%, but you really need to look at the survival rates by age group because there is a huge difference between the rates for ages 65 and over and the rates for ages 64 and below.

And, yes, we most certainly can and should reopen the schools:

https://thefederalist.com/2020/07/18/a-new-report-by-health-policy-experts-shows-path-to-reopen-schools/

One more Hannity/Ingraham wannabe. Same propaganda, different day. This is hardly about recovery rates. Science, medicine at this time doesn’t yet know the long term ramifications of this disease. 6 months, one year, people can be a symptomatic or recover within a few weeks and still have huge issues down the road. You know this yet you say nothing regarding that. Why? What’s your agenda? Thankfully the schools in my area are not reopening but going to virtual schooling. When Trump is history come November I’ll make a contribution to those school systems.

Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 20, 2020, 02:30:31 AM
   Bump regarding  BS: claim that, "Those being polled NOW, some 100 days before the election are "Likely Voters".  ABC/WashPost RECENTLY  questioned a "RANDOM SAMPLE/1,006". YOU do Not Know, what YOU do Not Know.

Storing has spent the past hour or so googling polling. lol. Now that’s entertainment.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 20, 2020, 02:33:32 AM

  You got taken to the Wood Shed 2 times in 30 seconds. Ouch!
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 20, 2020, 02:38:07 AM
  You got taken to the Wood Shed 2 times in 30 seconds. Ouch!

Says the guy who claims polling “likely” voters is BS. He never knew this polling existed until he was educated about it yet claims to “counsel” his clients. Funnier and funnier. Cannot make this crap up.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 20, 2020, 02:40:14 AM


  You tell us ALL about it Wood Shed Man.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Tom Scully on July 20, 2020, 02:42:52 AM
BS: disinformation

There isn't one major country facing this disaster that we are. Making bogus comparisons to cover up for Donald Trump is disgraceful.

What happened to "fair & balanced"..... not even considering the link to a generally unreliable source, thefederalist.com ?

Michael gives us a peek through the window into the bubble. With so many sources reporting "fake news", according to Trump-World, what sources are there to link to? Solomon's jutthenews.com and the QAnon, flavored, "Trump is a victim of the deep state". thefederalist.com

Let's run through it. "Journalist" (I already brought "misgivings" to Michael, about the reliability of, his links to Solomon's justhenews covid-19 drug study "reporters", and how to check on their backgrounds to anticipate if their reputations are politically or scientifically oriented; i.e., discernment.)

Allison Schuster is described as an intern @ thefederalist.com and appears to be an undergraduate student at Hillsdale College, known for turning out committed conservatives against federal government mandates or controls.

Quote
https://thefederalist.com/2020/07/18/a-new-report-by-health-policy-experts-shows-path-to-reopen-schools/
A New Report By Health Policy Experts Shows Path To Reopen Schools
JULY 18, 2020 By Allison Schuster
A new report summarizes research showing the financial and health repercussions of keeping schools, colleges, and child-care facilities closed far outweigh any risk. The Foundation for Research on Equal Opportunity report also offers recommendations on how to reopen for the safest and fairest results.

Report coauthor Avik Roy said in a tweet the report aims for policymakers to learn of and “heed the educational, social, and public health impact of prolonged school closures” for the nearly 80 million U.S. students who have already been out of school for months in 2020. ......
......

Quote
https://thefederalist.com/2020/06/18/hillsdale-college-refuses-to-bow-to-the-totalitarian-mob/

Hillsdale College refuses to speak on command of totalitarian mob
Allison Schuster, Federalist  June 19, 2020

....directs readers to this guy's, Avik Roy's "study"!
Background is as anti-ACA flack and former Romney 2012 campaign advisor during the period Romney defended against claims he was for RomneyCare in Massachusetts before he was against it...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avik_Roy#Journalism

https://twitter.com/Avik/status/1283915228393218056
(http://jfkforum.com/images/TrumpGriffithReopenSchoolsStudy.jpg)

Reporting from multiple sources cites one quarter of recent public schools teaching staff being of elevated risks age.

If Michael T Griffith has any details supporting the study he linked to, since Avik Roy's involvement stains it as contemporary far right messaging, more than circa 2020 medical and social science based conclusions or even sound  advice based on the body of scientific knowledge as it is understood in June, 2020, Michael should share it in this thread.

I underlined the names of Avik Roy's claimed co-authors. Michael or anyone else can pursue and verify that the backgrounds of the co-authors are hopefully more science oriented or more likely, "republican legislative campaigning, 2020." Or, possibly some of them still believe they've penned a paper of "Trump 2020 Levitating" proportions!
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 20, 2020, 02:43:38 AM

  You tell us ALL about it Wood Shed Man.

How many times you want to be embarrassed and exposed for the lying racist you are? I can do this 24/7. Unlike yourself, I have no lawns to mow. Get to it junior. Walk:
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 20, 2020, 02:45:13 AM


  Far too easy to pull your chain Woody. No Challenge here.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 20, 2020, 02:46:32 AM
What happened to "fair & balance"..... not even considering the link to a generally unreliable source, thefederalist.com .

Let's run through it. "Journalist" I already brought "misgivings" to Michael, about the reliability of, directs readers to this guy's, Avik Roy's "study"!
Background is as anti-ACA flack and former Romney 2012 campaign advisor during the period Romney defended against claims he was for RomneyCare in Massachusetts before he was against it...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avik_Roy#Journalism

https://twitter.com/Avik/status/1283915228393218056
(http://jfkforum.com/images/TrumpGriffithReopenSchoolsStudy.jpg)

Reporting cites one quarter of recent public schools teaching staff being of elevated risks age.

If Michael T Griffith has any details supporting the study he linked to, since Avik Roy's involvement stains it as contemporary far right messaging, more than circa 2020 medical and social science based conclusions or even sound  advice based on the body of scientific knowledge as it is understood in June, 2020, Michael should share it in this thread.

I underlined the names of Avik Roy's claimed co-authors. Michael or anyone else can pursue and verify that the backgrounds of the co-authors are hopefully more science oriented or more likely, "republican legislative campaigning, 2020." Or, possibly some of them still believe they've penned a paper of "Trump 2020 Levitating" proportions!

Good research Tom. Griffith is a Trump fan. Should we expect anything different?
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 20, 2020, 02:54:49 AM

  Far too easy to pull your chain Woody. No Challenge here.

The standard retort when one on line is attempting to save face after being publicly humiliated. You’re a cliche. An embarrassingly ignorant one. For all to see.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 20, 2020, 03:00:47 AM


  Yeah, you repeatedly call me a racist, bigot, nazi, etc, etc, etc . I get it.  Got anything else in that Bag Of Nastiness?
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 20, 2020, 03:07:30 AM

  Yeah, you repeatedly call me a racist, bigot, nazi, etc, etc, etc . I get it.  Got anything else in that Bag Of Nastiness?

You are what you are junior. You left out liar.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 20, 2020, 03:09:26 AM

  You're getting stale Woody.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Tom Scully on July 20, 2020, 03:25:46 AM
Good research Tom. Griffith is a Trump fan. Should we expect anything different?

Again, this study's co-author's presence indicates (desperate) support for down-ballot Trump party candidates, and not of Trump, himself.
Lanhee Chen would likely ask Sen. Romney to endorse his participation in this.

Lanhee Chen is a second author (I've seen him as conservative POV TV news guest) of the study nudging parents to Trust CDC reopen schools in pandemic guidelines, still delayed from release due to Trump 2020 politically motivated lipstick application...:

Quote
https://www.forbes.com/sites/elanagross/2020/07/17/cdc-delays-new-school-reopening-information-as-tension-with-white-house-grows/#2d016efc4214
CDC Delays New School Reopening Information As Tension With White House Grows
Jul 17, 2020,
Elana Lyn Gross Forbes Staff
Business

Quote
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lanhee_Chen

...Chen is most well known for his role as a policy adviser and counselor to top Republican politicians and office holders. He was the policy director for the 2012 Mitt Romney presidential campaign and Romney's chief policy adviser. He has been described as the "orchestra leader" behind the Romney 2012 campaign.[6] Romney confidante Beth Myers described Chen as the person Romney relied on "entirely" for policy direction.[6] Chen was also a senior adviser to the 2016 presidential campaign of Senator Marco Rubio.[7]...
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 20, 2020, 03:29:35 AM
  You're getting stale Woody.

Good lord. You even lack creativity. If one had to put a profile to you, here is how it would likely look. Ready?

And old man perhaps mid 60’s. Little to no formal education. Disregarded by family. Given little respect. Then, with the advent of the internet, you have a renaissance. You can be anybody you choose to be. You can lie. You can attempt to make yourself relevant. And try you do. Yet, you make the same mistakes repeatedly. Know what that shows? Ignorance. An inability one with any degree of education would see. Would understand. Not you however. The lies grow and grow. You have clients. Your counsel is sought. You have inside information. We, on this thread question what you say. You ignore all question. You refuse all challenges. You have no choice. All you’ve done is lie. So, when overwhelmed, you leave. You run. You return another day and lie all over again. You’re a dismal failure even as a liar. We, on this thread see it repeating itself everyday. You learn nothing. That’s your ignorance. Glad I could help.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 20, 2020, 04:47:24 AM
New at @CookPolitical: House rating changes in 20 districts, all towards Democrats. I can’t recall the last time Democrats moved so many races all at once, let alone in the same direction. The GOP is losing because of the failure who is dragging their party into the ground.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EdIQLQqWsAAuHEy?format=jpg)
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 20, 2020, 12:04:46 PM
You really need to leave the COVID-19 panic party and get a grip on reality. Do you realize that the U.S. COVID-19 crude death rate is 0.04276%. That is is 23 times lower than 1%. A crude death rate of 1% among the U.S. population would equal 3,282,000 deaths. After nearly six months into the pandemic, we are nowhere near that number. We're at 143,000 COVID-19 deaths, and the case death rate has *dropped* since most states began to reopen, whereas it skyrocketed for several weeks 2-3 weeks after the lockdowns began, which should not happened according to panic peddlers.

This is total b.s. disinformation. The death rate is rapidly increasing. Since when did we have mass graves to bury the dead and have portable refrigerator trucks to store dead bodies? Is having a majority of our hospitals at full capacity normal? Michael feels 143,000 deaths is just fine when no other country has these disastrous numbers. Michael accepts failure and uses disinformation to spin it into a positive. That's what right wingers do. If they had any integrity they would be able to save American lives and then state they were able to get the job done.         

Michael mocks this pandemic as a "panic party". That's the same disinformation Faux News Hacks push to the sheep downplaying the severity of our dire situation. Seems to be quite a bit of panic going on with our doctors and hospitals not having any beds to put COVID patients. Let me ask you Michael, COVID-19 cases are going up more each week, where are all these new people that require hospitalization going to go when hospitals all are already at full capacity? Do you have any idea of the stress happening with doctors and nurses who have their hospitals maxed out? Then we have thousands of dead bodies that need to be stored since all the morgues are full. They are all stored in special trucks. The Trump administration in March secretly ordered over 100,000 extra body bags because they knew the death total was going to be high and they wanted to hide it from the public. They also blocked the CDC from releasing any information about what is really going on. There is no doubt in my mind that COVID-19 is 10x's as worse than we know. One journalist called this genocide and I have to agree with that.

Michael also dismisses the 143,289 dead as a meaningless statistic. Well, the 143,289 dead Americans meant something to the families and friends left behind. We were lied to and told this was a "hoax" and it was "low risk". 3,898,550 are infected, so it's not low risk, because it's highly contagious. Just a couple of weeks ago, we were at 3.3 million and now we are nearly at 4 million. One dire statistic that came out that stated, that if we don't get this virus under control, half of the US population could be infected by December. Is Michael going to call that statistic "panic" as well? Also, it has been reported that the death toll is much higher than is what's counted, because many people are dying in their homes and their COVID death isn't being counted in the statistic. Other people who do have COVID-19 haven't been tested to know they have it and are dying from heart attacks and strokes at home not being counted in the statistics. Only after an autopsy was performed was it discovered that these people had COVID-19.

People like Michael who push this disinformation want you to become numb to the fact that all this massive death is happening. They want you to accept it as reality being a normal way of life. They want you to live with it and think that this is ok. This is tragic and devastating. This is not normal and we shouldn't have to accept massive death and become numb to it. This is their plan so they can elect this SOB who refuses to save American lives. He can  save confederate statues but not living Americans. This is why Donald Trump and the GOP needs to be defeated in a massive landslide or hundreds of thousands more people are going to be dead because they do not care about saving you. His election means more to him than saving American lives which he took an oath to do. How can you support someone who continues to lie about your health and safety? Look below and you can see how deaths are increasing and the dire situation we are in as Michael wants to play it off as no big deal.                                               

It’s not only coronavirus cases that are rising. Now covid deaths are, too.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/its-not-only-coronavirus-cases-that-are-rising-now-covid-deaths-are-too/2020/07/17/193006e8-c868-11ea-8ffe-372be8d82298_story.html

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2020-07-09/covid-19-deaths-tolls-rising

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/07/17/us/coronavirus-deaths.html

Refrigerated trucks requested in Texas and Arizona as morgues fill up due to coronavirus deaths
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/texas-arizona-coronavirus-deaths-refrigerated-trucks-morgues/

With morgues brimming, Texas and Arizona turn to refrigerator trucks
Every disaster has its symbols, "for COVID-19, it might just be the refrigerator truck."

https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/07/with-morgues-brimming-texas-and-arizona-turn-to-refrigerator-trucks/

Dozens of refrigerator trucks head to Arizona and Texas as the states' coronavirus cases skyrocket and morgues overflow reaching double their capacity
Arizona's Maricopa County is bringing in 14 coolers to hold up to 280 bodies
Coolers in Maricopa will be located at the medical examiner's office, which stores around 20% of bodies in the county
In Texas, the city of San Antonio and Bexar County have acquired five refrigerated trailers to store up to 180 bodies
14 refrigerated trucks are headed to Texas in the next week to serve as temporary mortuaries
As of Friday morning, Texas has more than 305,000 confirmed cases of the coronavirus while 3,657 people have died
In Arizona, more than 134,600 have tested positive for COVID-19 while some 2,492 people have died

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8532201/Pandemic-hit-Arizona-Texas-counties-order-coolers-refrigerated-trucks-bodies.html

Doctor at JMH says hospital’s ICU at capacity amid COVID-19 surge in Florida
https://wsvn.com/news/local/doctor-at-jmh-says-hospitals-icu-at-capacity-amid-covid-19-surge-in-florida/

'Dire situation’: Hospitals in Manatee County hitting capacity as coronavirus cases increase
https://www.wfla.com/news/local-news/manatee-county/dire-situation-hospitals-in-manatee-county-hitting-capacity-as-coronavirus-cases-increase/

Texas hospitals are running out of drugs, beds, ventilators and even staff
Many Texas hospitals are no longer accepting transfer patients in order to maintain space for a surge that’s expected to come. In some parts of the state, it’s already here.

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/07/14/texas-hospitals-coronavirus/

(https://www.fijivillage.com/news_images/12871605605e910eac3094fd354b6b.jpg)
Mass grave of COVID-19 victims


The substantial majority of Americans who catch COVID-19 have at least a 98.7% chance of *not* dying from it, according to every statistic we have. People aged 1-49 who catch the virus have a survival rate of at least 99.5%. The **overall average** survival rate in the U.S. is 95.8%, but you really need to look at the survival rates by age group because there is a huge difference between the rates for ages 65 and over and the rates for ages 64 and below.

Michael, like the GOP, passes off our seniors as expendable who can be sacrificed for the economy and our country. This is why Donald Trump is losing in a landslide and has lost seniors vote in every state. The GOP claims to be "Pro Life" which is an absolute joke since they have no problem killing seniors and children. The GOP is the Party of Death. Don't forget, several GOP officials are on the record stating seniors are expendable and were calling for them to sacrifice themselves for the economy because they think it will help Donald Trump get elected. Are you going to kill yourself so Donald Trump can continue his corruption and abuse of power appointing himself as dictator?       

Donald Trump and the GOP do not care about you and their own actions have made that quite obvious. As the old saying goes, watch their actions and not their words. They are feeding you b.s. while doing nothing.

Michael acts like COVID-19 is a common cold that just goes away once you get it. Right wingers were making that same bogus claim with their COVID-19 disinformation campaign. The fact is we do not really know the long term effects or permanent damage COVID-19 will cause humans who contract it. Doctors only know the short term problems since this is a new virus. New reports show that younger people who have the virus developed permanent lung damage since many people ages 16-25 have had severe breathing problems after having the virus. Other problems such as brain damage and organ damage have been reported as well. So, this nonsense that if someone below 65 or in their 20's and teens gets it will have a full recovery with no damage is bogus.                           

And, yes, we most certainly can and should reopen the schools:

Right wingers are pushing kids to be in school so it appears everything is back to normal so Donald Trump can get elected. They do not care about the health of children. Power is the only thing that matters to them. Schools are the worst place for germs during flu season and it spreads in packed classrooms. Schools were closed in March because of COVID-19 and the virus is worse now. How does it make sense to shove kids in a dangerous environment when it's less safe than before? This will explode the virus and entire classrooms and familes of these kids can be infected. Not only that, children who contracted COVID-19 have different severe medical conditions than adults. Kids have developed the Kawasaki disease, inflammation disease, and severe neurological damage. Why would we risk putting children through this?   

The GOP does not care about that. We can not allow kids to be put in danger zone where they can get sick spreading COVID-19 wherever they go. 85 infants were infected with COVID-19 and a few even died. They weren't jammed inside a full classroom where it would be even worse. And Michael and his fellow right wingers want kids in school to get sick and die to help Donald Trump because they think it will get him elected. Disgraceful. The overwhelming majority of Americans refuse to put their children in school during a deadly pandemic and can see right through these dirty GOP tricks. This is why the GOP is going to lose in a massive landslide in November.                               

Perhaps Michael and his fellow right wingers should sit inside a packed room daily since they think it's safe to do. But they won't do it, they only want others to go through it. Perfect example is the cowardly hypocrites at Faux Propaganda. Hacks like Laura Ingraham and Hack Hannity screaming for people to go back to work and kids to be in school aren't even at work themselves. They broadcast from home because the network deemed it to be unsafe working in the studio. So, here these hypocrites demand people to be forced into a pandemic and here they are working safely from home with a blue screen behind them making it appear as if they are in the studio. Why aren't these frauds out in the middle of a pandemic? Just more hypocrisy from these hacks as they push disinformation to the sheep. That's why these right wingers have zero credibility and are only there to prop up Donald Trump as state run media. He calls the MSM the '"enemy of the people" and "fake news" for a reason. He wants to abolish the free press like all dictators do and have the real fake news like Faux Propaganda run in a 24/7 loop praising him. That's why this lunatic must be defeated in a massive landslide in November. Children are at severe risk for COVID-19 diseases as you can see below and watch both videos as well. So, what we've read from Michael is the bogus disinformation that right wingers are pushing since this is all they can do to cover up the death and destruction Donald Trump cause this country.                   


85 babies infected with COVID-19 in Texas county
https://www.wsoctv.com/news/trending/85-babies-under-12-months-old-infected-with-covid-19-texas-county/2HJ3IHRUFVC2RJ2YDIRNC6AD6U/

As COVID-19 death tolls reach new highs, millions of children in CA and across U.S. unlikely to return to classrooms
https://ktla.com/news/california/as-covid-19-death-tolls-reach-new-highs-millions-of-children-across-u-s-learn-of-unlikely-return-to-classrooms/

Children face risk for severe complications and death from COVID-19
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/05/200511142153.htm

Doctors warn of rise in serious condition in Arizona kids from COVID-19 exposure
https://www.azfamily.com/news/continuing_coverage/coronavirus_coverage/doctors-warn-of-rise-in-serious-condition-in-arizona-kids-from-covid-19-exposure/article_e7148e86-c63c-11ea-bdf6-43f0f5624f01.html

Researchers report nearly 300 cases of inflammatory syndrome tied to Covid-19 in kids
https://www.statnews.com/2020/06/29/nejm-inflammation-children-covid19-misc/

Researchers find neurological damage in four children with coronavirus inflammatory syndrome
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/02/researchers-find-neurological-damage-in-four-children-with-coronavirus-inflammatory-syndrome.html

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-06-21/babies-children-december-deaths-join-the-wait-for-covid-19-testing

Protect Our Kids


Keep Your Child Home

Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 20, 2020, 12:52:33 PM
'This is how it starts': Lincoln Project releases new attack calling out Trump for sending ‘unmarked agents into our streets

A brutal new takedown of President Donald Trump’s attacks on American citizens protesting peacefully was released by the Lincoln Project Sunday.

“The videos of masked, anonymous government officers attacking American citizens who pose no threat is shocking to watch. Federal agents with no badge are kidnapping civilians into unmarked vans. How is this America?” said LP co-founder Reed Galen in a release. “All Americans must be vigilant.”

While Trump’s polling numbers are tanking, LP said that the president is losing control. The state of Oregon asked the Department of Homeland Security not to intervene with their protests, saying that things were dying down and had grown much more peaceful. Trump and the DHS ignored the governor’s pleas to stop and made things worse, according to the Portland mayor.

Like a scene out of “V for Vendetta,” The video describes how Trump’s federal agents, “deputized by a rogue attorney general,” snatched protesters off the streets, threw them into unmarked cars, and took them away somewhere.

“This is how it starts, and freedom dies,” the ad closes.

See the shocking video from the Lincoln Project below:

Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 20, 2020, 03:16:08 PM
The US should have been uniquely prepared for the coronavirus pandemic — but Trump failed every test: analysis

Travis Gettys

The coronavirus pandemic has spun out of control in the United States — which should have been uniquely prepared to face the deadly infection.

A comprehensive review ranked the pandemic preparedness of 195 countries in October, and the Global Health Security Index Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security and the Nuclear Threat Initiative ranked the U.S. at No. 1 with an 83.5 score on a scale of 100, reported the Washington Post.

“I just never expected that we would have such a lack of federal leadership, and it’s been deliberate,” said Beth Cameron, who helped lead the review for the Nuclear Threat Initiative.

Cameron helped write a pandemic response plan under President Barack Obama while serving as senior director for global health security and biodefense on the White House National Security Council — which was disbanded after President Donald Trump took office.

“In a national emergency that is a pandemic, spreading between states, federal leadership is essential,” Cameron said, “and if there was any doubt about that, we ran that experiment from March and April until now. It failed. So we have to run a different experiment.”

The U.S. has made almost every mistake possible since the pandemic arrived, but experts say the biggest miscalculation was the decision by some governors to throw open the doors to their economy while the virus was still spreading at high rates.

“We didn’t have the stick-to-itiveness, the determination, to carry through what we started in March, April and May, and now the virus is taking advantage of that,” said Francis Collins, director of the National Institutes of Health.

“If we’d had really strong guidance from local, state and national leaders, maybe we could have sustained the determination to get the curve all the way down to zero,” Collins added. “Now, we’re on the upswing, and I don’t quite see the top of the upswing yet.”

The shutdowns of March and April effectively crushed the pandemic in most parts of the country, but that success gave many Americans the perception that the virus was less contagious and fearsome as they’d been warned.

“We just let our guard down,” said Ohio’s Republican Gov. Mike DeWine. “Some people when they heard, ‘Hey, Ohio’s open,’ what they mentally processed is, ‘It’s safe. We can go out and do whatever we want to. It’s back to normal.’”

The virus has been smoldering in Ohio for two months, but DeWine now fears those embers will burst into runaway transmission like what happened in Florida.

“Florida a month ago is where Ohio is today,” DeWine said. “If we don’t want to be Florida, we’ve got to change what we’re doing. Everybody’s got to mask up.”

But masks have become a controversial political issue, and that has undermined efforts to restart the economy.

“If you could have written a prescription four months ago, a manual — ‘This is what you must do to deal with a virus’ — and if people could just follow the manual, we would be over this, like other countries are over it,” said New York’s Democratic Gov. Andrew Cuomo. “I think it exposed a fundamental weakness in this country. We have a divided country.”

“It was science denial meets government incompetence,” Cuomo added.

Those divisions fall at the feet of the president, historians say.

“You look at the Great Depression and how Roosevelt made a concerted effort to unite the country — the fireside chats, the New Deal,” said James Grossman, executive director of the American Historical Association. “That is the instinctive reaction of almost every president in crisis. Even if you don’t succeed, you try to convince people that they’re all in this together. This presidency is the exception and anomaly.”


Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 20, 2020, 04:05:42 PM
A staggering 51.3 million Americans have filed for unemployment over the past 17 weeks during the pandemic. Think about that.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: John Tonkovich on July 20, 2020, 04:32:12 PM
Mr. Griffiths:
The U.S. deaths are at 143,000, as of today, July 20th. As Mr. Crow posited, a week ago, U.S. deaths will be at 150,000 by month's end. Deaths, hospitalizations and cases continue to rise.
Texas, Georgia, Florida and California are the worst hit states, I believe. ( Please correct me if I am wrong.)
Your attempts at "minimization" - aka "what aboutism" - are rather transparent, and insult the dead.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 20, 2020, 04:41:50 PM
  You HATERS need to hold your water with regard to the Corona Positive Tests numbers. We are beginning to get some solid numbers via MLB players that are returning to action after having Tested Positive for Corona. At least 1/3 of these MLB'ers that tested Positive are being labeled Asymptomatic. They NEVER felt sick/NEVER had Any symptoms what-so-ever on Any Day/At Any Time. This 1/3+ is a HUGE Number. On top of that, in order to rejoin their team, a player that tests Positive for Corona needs 2 Consecutive NEGATIVE Tests with a day off/lag day in between the 2 Negative tests. Many of these returning MLB Players are chronicling having registered a Negative Test followed by a Positive Test followed by a Negative Test...etc. Could be issues with the Tests being administered across this country. Also, like the flu, there may be Many Strains of Corona. Some Corona Strains being far more severe than others + the general physical health/age of the patient involved. The Positive Numbers currently being registered could be impacted by a simple case of Bad Tests/Testing. You notice we are Never given Asymptomatic Numbers regarding individuals that test positive? A Large number/% of Asymptomatic patients would make the general public wonder what is going on. Again, this is ALL New. Nobody, including Fauci and Birx Know with certainty what we are currently enduring.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 20, 2020, 04:50:39 PM
Why is Trump dead in the water? Joe Biden is not widely loved, but he’s significantly less loathed than Trump. Political scientist Michael Tesler notes that you can see the gap even among the two candidates’ supporters: 80 percent of Biden supporters have a very unfavorable view of Trump, while only 53 percent of Trump supporters have a very unfavorable view of Biden.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 20, 2020, 04:56:46 PM
  You HATERS need to hold your water with regard to the Corona Positive Tests numbers. We are beginning to get some solid numbers via MLB players that are returning to action after having Tested Positive for Corona. At least 1/3 of these MLB'ers that tested Positive are being labeled Asymptomatic. They NEVER felt sick/NEVER had Any symptoms what-so-ever on Any Day/At Any Time. This 1/3+ is a HUGE Number. On top of that, in order to rejoin their team, a player that tests Positive for Corona needs 2 Consecutive NEGATIVE Tests with a day off/lag day in between the 2 Negative tests. Many of these returning MLB Players are chronicling having registered a Negative Test followed by a Positive Test followed by a Negative Test...etc. Could be issues with the Tests being administered across this country. Also, like the flu, there may be Many Strains of Corona. Some Corona Strains being far more severe than others + the general physical health/age of the patient involved. The Positive Numbers currently being registered could be impacted by a simple case of Bad Tests/Testing. You notice we are Never given Asymptomatic Numbers regarding individuals that test positive? A Large number/% of Asymptomatic patients would make the general public wonder what is going on. Again, this is ALL New. Nobody, including Fauci and Birx Know with certainty what we are currently enduring.

Who gives a damn about test results? The more people that test negative or asymtomatic the better, but that's not the problem. The problem is the selfish creeps who refuse to wear masks and might be infecting other people. The only way to stop that from happening is to take restrictive measures. For the Republicans it's a matter of money over people's health. That's what it comes down to.

I say screw the money. If I ultimately lose my business because of covid-19, so be it. I can always start a new business later or make money in one way or the other. It might not be pleasant or easy to do, but it's a hell of a lot better than the alternative, because what I can never start again once I lost it is my life!
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 20, 2020, 05:00:44 PM

  Let me know when You see any "Asymptomatic" numbers posted.
  What kinda business you got on that Spanish Island out in the Mediterranean? Selling Coconuts?   HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 20, 2020, 05:10:10 PM
  Let me know when You see any "Asymptomatic" numbers posted.
  What kinda business you got on that Spanish Island out in the Mediterranean? Selling Coconuts?   HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

You think there are coconuts on Spanish Islands? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA That just shows how little you really know!

And who said anything about me having a business on a Spanish Islands?.... You really are clueless....
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 20, 2020, 05:10:50 PM
Who gives a damn about test results? The more people that test negative or asymtomatic the better, but that's not the problem. The problem is the selfish creeps who refuse to wear masks and might be infecting other people. The only way to stop that from happening is to take restrictive measures. For the Republicans it's a matter of money over people's health. That's what it comes down to.

I say screw the money. If I ultimately lose my business because of covid-19, so be it. I can always start a new business later or make money in one way or the other. It might not be pleasant or easy to do, but it's a hell of a lot better than the alternative, because what I can never start again once I lost it is my life!

Martin, you and I may disagree on the JFK case. That being said, I give you my respect. Well said.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 20, 2020, 05:17:41 PM
Texas reported 7,300 new cases on Sunday after five straight days of new infections exceeding 10,000.
Despite record levels of new cases nationwide, the Trump administration is pushing for schools to reopen in a few weeks and resisting a federal mandate to wear masks in public.

Trump, who faces a tough battle for re-election in November, defended his handling of the coronavirus pandemic in an interview broadcast on Sunday. The United States, with 3.7 million total cases, has almost as many infections as the next three hardest-hit countries combined - Brazil, India and Russia.

11/3 - President Joe Biden.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 20, 2020, 05:24:14 PM


   So You agree with Mr Howell the Business Mogul regarding Positive Test numbers Not mattering, and then YOU proceed to post positive test numbers?  Get a grip!
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 20, 2020, 06:18:52 PM
Trump proud of himself for knowing what day it is! :D

Trump went from ‘laughable to pitiful’ trying to convince Chris Wallace he’s not suffering from dementia: MSNBC panel

Tom Boggioni

An MSNBC “Morning Joe” panel looked on in amazement at the Fox News clip of Donald Trump boasting that he passed a clinical test used to gauge dementia in patients, with one panelist claiming the president’s effusive self-praise went from “laughable to pitiful.”

After sharing the clip of Trump telling Fox News host Chris Wallace that the last five questions were “very hard,” which was debunked on Twitter, “Morning Joe” co-host Joe Scarborough dryly walked viewers through some of the questions which include knowing what day of the week it is.

“The president of the United States actually brags about to try to make us feel better about the man who has nuclear codes, to make us feel better that he’s somehow with it and this is why voters are wrong for thinking, actually, Joe Biden is sharper and has more mental acuity than the sitting president of the United States, because he could draw a clock and he could tell Chris Wallace what city he was in,” Scarborough asserted.

“It reminded me, at that point in the interview, that Chris Wallace had left the Rose Garden where he was interviewing the president and was visiting an old man in a nursing home trying to convince him that he was still cognitive in terms of his cognitive skills, that he was still able,” MSNBC host Al Sharpton added. “It was very — it went from laughable to pitiful.”

“It was pitiful,” Scarborough interjected.

“To think this man is running this country and is in charge of the military and in charge of real decisions becomes frightening,” Sharpton continued. ‘When you think about the fact that he wants to reduce this to taking a test that he thinks is hard — the real test is going to be in November who can run the country, and as one who spent time in my life meeting with both Donald Trump and Joe Biden, that’s not a contest.”
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 20, 2020, 06:28:42 PM
Pelosi: Trump ‘will be leaving’ even if he has to ‘be fumigated out’ of office

Would-be dictator Donald Trump declared Sunday that he'll "have to see" what happens on Nov. 3 as to whether he'll accept the results of the election. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi slapped back Monday morning on MSNBC's Morning Joe. The bottom line: He's leaving when he loses.

"The fact is, whether he knows it yet or not, he will be leaving," Pelosi said. "Just because he might not want to move out of the White House doesn't mean we won't have an inauguration ceremony to inaugurate a duly elected president of the United States." She continued: "I'm second in line to presidency, and just last week I had my regular continuation of government briefing." She continued: "I say to the [briefers], this is never going to happen, God willing it never will. But there is a process. It has nothing to do with the certain occupant of the White House doesn't feel like moving and has to be fumigated out of there."

What a great ESPN PPV event!  ::)
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 20, 2020, 06:38:45 PM


 Both Pelosi and Schumer should be More concerned with their own positions. The Warning, "objects are Closer than they appear", applies to both of their Political Rear View Mirrors. The Squad will take Nancy down inside The House, and AOC will Challenge/Replace Chuck in the Senate. Both Old White Pols going down amidst the Bloodbath Aftermath of Trump winning Re-Election in Nov.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 20, 2020, 06:51:54 PM

 Both Pelosi and Schumer should be More concerned with their own positions. The Warning, "objects are Closer than they appear", applies to both of their Political Rear View Mirrors. The Squad will take Nancy down inside The House, and AOC will Challenge/Replace Chuck in the Senate. Both Old White Pols going down amidst the Bloodbath Aftermath of Trump winning Re-Election in Nov.

You’re talking to whom? You have no followers here. Go mow a lawn.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 20, 2020, 07:01:36 PM
TONIGHT: CNN @ 9:00 PM EST: Donald Trump and conspiracy theory.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 20, 2020, 07:08:11 PM
  Even Fake News NOW chattering about a Vaccine being imminent. Fake News Shirt Collars are getting extremely tight. Economic Numbers are Booming with a Vaccine NOW being touted. Oh My! Trump "Winning, Winning, Winning" in the face of these devastating SURVEYS is exposing them as being absolute BUNK. Almost forgot. Much like the recent FOX News SURVEY, expect ALL of these SURVEYS to continue Tightening up as we get closer to the election. These SURVEYS want those Trump trailing numbers to eventually fall within their "margin of error" caveat. They need that Caveat/Excuse when Trump does 2016 all over again come Nov 3.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: John Tonkovich on July 20, 2020, 07:18:23 PM
  You HATERS need to hold your water with regard to the Corona Positive Tests numbers. We are beginning to get some solid numbers via MLB players that are returning to action after having Tested Positive for Corona. At least 1/3 of these MLB'ers that tested Positive are being labeled Asymptomatic. They NEVER felt sick/NEVER had Any symptoms what-so-ever on Any Day/At Any Time. This 1/3+ is a HUGE Number. On top of that, in order to rejoin their team, a player that tests Positive for Corona needs 2 Consecutive NEGATIVE Tests with a day off/lag day in between the 2 Negative tests. Many of these returning MLB Players are chronicling having registered a Negative Test followed by a Positive Test followed by a Negative Test...etc. Could be issues with the Tests being administered across this country. Also, like the flu, there may be Many Strains of Corona. Some Corona Strains being far more severe than others + the general physical health/age of the patient involved. The Positive Numbers currently being registered could be impacted by a simple case of Bad Tests/Testing. You notice we are Never given Asymptomatic Numbers regarding individuals that test positive? A Large number/% of Asymptomatic patients would make the general public wonder what is going on. Again, this is ALL New. Nobody, including Fauci and Birx Know with certainty what we are currently enduring.
143,000 deaths. And rising fast.
There's your " Know with certainty" fact.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 20, 2020, 07:27:19 PM
  Even Fake News NOW chattering about a Vaccine being imminent. Fake News Shirt Collars are getting extremely tight. Economic Numbers are Booming with a Vaccine NOW being touted. Oh My! Trump "Winning, Winning, Winning" in the face of these devastating SURVEYS is exposing them as being absolute BUNK. Almost forgot. Much like the recent FOX News SURVEY, expect ALL of these SURVEYS to continue Tightening up as we get closer to the election. These SURVEYS want those Trump trailing numbers to eventually fall within their "margin of error" caveat. They need that Caveat/Excuse when Trump does 2016 all over again come Nov 3.

Look at the idiot jumping for joy at the possibility of economic numbers going up because of a vaccine "being imminent"..... Although we all would like it to be true, a vaccine isn't imminent at all. Some early test results are promising, but there is no way there will be a functional and safe vaccine before the election and even if there was, the economy is never going to bounce back in a little over three months.

And in all his excitement the clown completely forgot that he claimed the surveys to be completely unreliable (remember that one!)... now suddenly those same surveys are going to tighten up to within a "margin of error".... desperation turned into vain hope. Truly pathetic!

He doesn't understand that the game is already over. Covid-19 is still going to be with us come November, which means the economy is not going to improve in such a way that the common man will notice it any time soon. The economic fall out of this crisis hasn't even manifested itself yet. There is still a very bumpy ride ahead. Massive numbers of people are still going to be unemployed, will be infected with the virus and/or die from it and the economic crisis, which will dwarf the one in 2008, will destroy Trump and his ilk and there will be nothing he can do about it.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: John Iacoletti on July 20, 2020, 07:32:56 PM

 Both Pelosi and Schumer should be More concerned with their own positions. The Warning, "objects are Closer than they appear", applies to both of their Political Rear View Mirrors. The Squad will take Nancy down inside The House, and AOC will Challenge/Replace Chuck in the Senate. Both Old White Pols going down amidst the Bloodbath Aftermath of Trump winning Re-Election in Nov.

AOC isn’t a senator. How colossally ignorant can you be?
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: John Iacoletti on July 20, 2020, 07:34:41 PM
Royell thinks that asymptomatic people with the virus are not a problem. More colossal ignorance. They can still spread the disease to others who then die.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 20, 2020, 08:17:16 PM
AOC isn’t a senator. How colossally ignorant can you be?

   She is going to challenge him/run against him Johnny. Being on the outside peering in = your Not Knowing this.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 20, 2020, 08:28:20 PM
Royell thinks that asymptomatic people with the virus are not a problem. More colossal ignorance. They can still spread the disease to others who then die.

   The above Claim remains in question. Just like the Medical Experts STILL do Not Know WHY some people are Asymptomatic. Much remains Unknown. This includes people testing Positive, Negative, Positive, Negative,........ with Only 1 day between tests.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 20, 2020, 09:27:20 PM
   The above Claim remains in question. Just like the Medical Experts STILL do Not Know WHY some people are Asymptomatic. Much remains Unknown. This includes people testing Positive, Negative, Positive, Negative,........ with Only 1 day between tests.

Keep fighting mental health. Go mow a lawn.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: John Iacoletti on July 20, 2020, 10:31:12 PM
   She is going to challenge him/run against him Johnny. Being on the outside peering in = your Not Knowing this.

Please cite her saying she is going to do this.

And then explain how 2022 constitutes the “aftermath” of this year’s election.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 20, 2020, 11:08:13 PM

     It's obvious that your political savy extends all the way into Tomorrow. You're in WAY over your head. Man Up to your limitations and Move On.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 20, 2020, 11:13:57 PM
No different than the predator in chief at the WH

Fox News Hit With Lawsuit Alleging Sexual Misconduct by Top Talent
Eriq Gardner

Jennifer Eckhart and Cathy Areu are claiming a hostile workplace.

Fox News has been hit with a kitchen sink suit, replete with trigger warning, as a complaint was filed on Monday in New York federal court alleging sexual misconduct by some of its top hosts including Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson.

Jennifer Eckhart, a former associate producer on Fox Business Network, is a co-plaintiff in the suit. The most serious claim pertains to Eckhart's allegation that she was raped by former White House chief correspondent Ed Henry, who earlier this month was fired by Fox News as a result of the charge.

"On July 1, 2020, Fox News disclosed to the public that it had terminated Mr. Henry based on the findings of an internal investigation, and purported to take credit for acting appropriately," states the complaint. "However, nothing could be further from the truth. In reality, Fox News knew that Mr. Henry had engaged in sexual misconduct as far back as early 2017. At that time, when Fox News was conducting a company-wide investigation into issues of sexual harassment, multiple women came forward to complain that Mr. Henry had engaged in sexually inappropriate conduct towards them."

Fox News now faces a sex trafficking claim as a result of Eckhart's allegation. The rape allegedly happened in 2017 in a hotel room after the two had met for drinks. Two years earlier, according to the complaint, Henry had romantically pursued her, forced a kiss on her, convince her to have sex by holding her career over her head, and months later assaulted her in Fox News' New York offices.

Catherine Foti, Henry's lawyer, responds by saying, "The evidence in this case will demonstrate that Ms. Eckhart initiated and completely encouraged a consensual relationship."

Cathy Areu is the other co-plaintiff in this case that also asserts Fox News subjected women to a hostile workplace.

Once an on-air regular on Fox News, Areu says she victimized by Henry through a "slew of wildly inappropriate sexual images and messages." The complaint details the contents of these messages.

Additionally, Areu targets several of Fox News' other stars. She alleges that Hannity once threw $100 on the desk of his set and called for the men around to take her on a date for drinks. She says that Carlson once probed to see whether she'd be interested in a sexual relationship. She accuses Howard Kurtz of inviting her to a hotel room. After allegedly spurning advances or enduring comments, Areu says she stopped being invited to appear on each of their respective programs. The three Fox News hosts are co-defendants in the suit and face claims of retaliation.

Here's the full complaint.

Notably, the plaintiffs are represented by Douglas Wigdor and Michael Willemin at Wigdor LLP. Two years ago, Wigdor settled claims by more than 20 individuals against Fox. Many of those suits targeted behavior by Fox News founder Roger Ailes.

In reaction to the suit, Fox News reacts strongly against Areu's claims against its working talent while suggesting that Eckhart and Areu pursue Henry directly.

"Based on the findings of a comprehensive independent investigation conducted by an outside law firm, including interviews with numerous eyewitnesses, we have determined that all of Cathy Areu’s claims against Fox News, including its management as well as its hosts Tucker Carlson, Sean Hannity & Howard Kurtz and its contributor Gianno Caldwell, are false, patently frivolous and utterly devoid of any merit," reads the network's statement. "We take all claims of harassment, misconduct and retaliation seriously, promptly investigating them and taking immediate action as needed — in this case, the appropriate action based on our investigation is to defend vigorously against these baseless allegations. Ms. Areu and Jennifer Eckhart can pursue their claims against Ed Henry directly with him, as FOX News already took swift action as soon as it learned of Ms. Eckhart’s claims on June 25 and Mr. Henry is no longer employed by the network.”
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 20, 2020, 11:35:53 PM
John Kasich will be endorsing Joe Biden to save our democracy from this deranged orange lunatic. More Republicans to follow. Ohio is going to be close, but with Kasich's endorsement that will move 3-5% of the vote to Biden winning the state. Donald Trump cannot be elected without Ohio.

Donald Trump is down by 15 points and his 38% approval rating is rapidly dropping.     
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 20, 2020, 11:40:41 PM
This is total b.s. disinformation. The death rate is rapidly increasing. Since when did we have mass graves to bury the dead and have portable refrigerator trucks to store dead bodies? Is having a majority of our hospitals at full capacity normal? Michael feels 143,000 deaths is just fine when no other country has these disastrous numbers. Michael accepts failure and uses disinformation to spin it into a positive. That's what right wingers do. If they had any integrity they would be able to save American lives and then state they were able to get the job done.         

Michael mocks this pandemic as a "panic party". That's the same disinformation Faux News Hacks push to the sheep downplaying the severity of our dire situation. Seems to be quite a bit of panic going on with our doctors and hospitals not having any beds to put COVID patients. Let me ask you Michael, COVID-19 cases are going up more each week, where are all these new people that require hospitalization going to go when hospitals all are already at full capacity? Do you have any idea of the stress happening with doctors and nurses who have their hospitals maxed out? Then we have thousands of dead bodies that need to be stored since all the morgues are full. They are all stored in special trucks. The Trump administration in March secretly ordered over 100,000 extra body bags because they knew the death total was going to be high and they wanted to hide it from the public. They also blocked the CDC from releasing any information about what is really going on. There is no doubt in my mind that COVID-19 is 10x's as worse than we know. One journalist called this genocide and I have to agree with that.

Michael also dismisses the 143,289 dead as a meaningless statistic. Well, the 143,289 dead Americans meant something to the families and friends left behind. We were lied to and told this was a "hoax" and it was "low risk". 3,898,550 are infected, so it's not low risk, because it's highly contagious. Just a couple of weeks ago, we were at 3.3 million and now we are nearly at 4 million. One dire statistic that came out that stated, that if we don't get this virus under control, half of the US population could be infected by December. Is Michael going to call that statistic "panic" as well? Also, it has been reported that the death toll is much higher than is what's counted, because many people are dying in their homes and their COVID death isn't being counted in the statistic. Other people who do have COVID-19 haven't been tested to know they have it and are dying from heart attacks and strokes at home not being counted in the statistics. Only after an autopsy was performed was it discovered that these people had COVID-19.

People like Michael who push this disinformation want you to become numb to the fact that all this massive death is happening. They want you to accept it as reality being a normal way of life. They want you to live with it and think that this is ok. This is tragic and devastating. This is not normal and we shouldn't have to accept massive death and become numb to it. This is their plan so they can elect this SOB who refuses to save American lives. He can  save confederate statues but not living Americans. This is why Donald Trump and the GOP needs to be defeated in a massive landslide or hundreds of thousands more people are going to be dead because they do not care about saving you. His election means more to him than saving American lives which he took an oath to do. How can you support someone who continues to lie about your health and safety? Look below and you can see how deaths are increasing and the dire situation we are in as Michael wants to play it off as no big deal.                                               

It’s not only coronavirus cases that are rising. Now covid deaths are, too.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/its-not-only-coronavirus-cases-that-are-rising-now-covid-deaths-are-too/2020/07/17/193006e8-c868-11ea-8ffe-372be8d82298_story.html

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2020-07-09/covid-19-deaths-tolls-rising

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/07/17/us/coronavirus-deaths.html

Refrigerated trucks requested in Texas and Arizona as morgues fill up due to coronavirus deaths
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/texas-arizona-coronavirus-deaths-refrigerated-trucks-morgues/

With morgues brimming, Texas and Arizona turn to refrigerator trucks
Every disaster has its symbols, "for COVID-19, it might just be the refrigerator truck."

https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/07/with-morgues-brimming-texas-and-arizona-turn-to-refrigerator-trucks/

Dozens of refrigerator trucks head to Arizona and Texas as the states' coronavirus cases skyrocket and morgues overflow reaching double their capacity
Arizona's Maricopa County is bringing in 14 coolers to hold up to 280 bodies
Coolers in Maricopa will be located at the medical examiner's office, which stores around 20% of bodies in the county
In Texas, the city of San Antonio and Bexar County have acquired five refrigerated trailers to store up to 180 bodies
14 refrigerated trucks are headed to Texas in the next week to serve as temporary mortuaries
As of Friday morning, Texas has more than 305,000 confirmed cases of the coronavirus while 3,657 people have died
In Arizona, more than 134,600 have tested positive for COVID-19 while some 2,492 people have died

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8532201/Pandemic-hit-Arizona-Texas-counties-order-coolers-refrigerated-trucks-bodies.html

Doctor at JMH says hospital’s ICU at capacity amid COVID-19 surge in Florida
https://wsvn.com/news/local/doctor-at-jmh-says-hospitals-icu-at-capacity-amid-covid-19-surge-in-florida/

'Dire situation’: Hospitals in Manatee County hitting capacity as coronavirus cases increase
https://www.wfla.com/news/local-news/manatee-county/dire-situation-hospitals-in-manatee-county-hitting-capacity-as-coronavirus-cases-increase/

Texas hospitals are running out of drugs, beds, ventilators and even staff
Many Texas hospitals are no longer accepting transfer patients in order to maintain space for a surge that’s expected to come. In some parts of the state, it’s already here.

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/07/14/texas-hospitals-coronavirus/

(https://www.fijivillage.com/news_images/12871605605e910eac3094fd354b6b.jpg)
Mass grave of COVID-19 victims


Michael, like the GOP, passes off our seniors as expendable who can be sacrificed for the economy and our country. This is why Donald Trump is losing in a landslide and has lost seniors vote in every state. The GOP claims to be "Pro Life" which is an absolute joke since they have no problem killing seniors and children. The GOP is the Party of Death. Don't forget, several GOP officials are on the record stating seniors are expendable and were calling for them to sacrifice themselves for the economy because they think it will help Donald Trump get elected. Are you going to kill yourself so Donald Trump can continue his corruption and abuse of power appointing himself as dictator?       

Donald Trump and the GOP do not care about you and their own actions have made that quite obvious. As the old saying goes, watch their actions and not their words. They are feeding you b.s. while doing nothing.

Michael acts like COVID-19 is a common cold that just goes away once you get it. Right wingers were making that same bogus claim with their COVID-19 disinformation campaign. The fact is we do not really know the long term effects or permanent damage COVID-19 will cause humans who contract it. Doctors only know the short term problems since this is a new virus. New reports show that younger people who have the virus developed permanent lung damage since many people ages 16-25 have had severe breathing problems after having the virus. Other problems such as brain damage and organ damage have been reported as well. So, this nonsense that if someone below 65 or in their 20's and teens gets it will have a full recovery with no damage is bogus.                           

Right wingers are pushing kids to be in school so it appears everything is back to normal so Donald Trump can get elected. They do not care about the health of children. Power is the only thing that matters to them. Schools are the worst place for germs during flu season and it spreads in packed classrooms. Schools were closed in March because of COVID-19 and the virus is worse now. How does it make sense to shove kids in a dangerous environment when it's less safe than before? This will explode the virus and entire classrooms and familes of these kids can be infected. Not only that, children who contracted COVID-19 have different severe medical conditions than adults. Kids have developed the Kawasaki disease, inflammation disease, and severe neurological damage. Why would we risk putting children through this?   

The GOP does not care about that. We can not allow kids to be put in danger zone where they can get sick spreading COVID-19 wherever they go. 85 infants were infected with COVID-19 and a few even died. They weren't jammed inside a full classroom where it would be even worse. And Michael and his fellow right wingers want kids in school to get sick and die to help Donald Trump because they think it will get him elected. Disgraceful. The overwhelming majority of Americans refuse to put their children in school during a deadly pandemic and can see right through these dirty GOP tricks. This is why the GOP is going to lose in a massive landslide in November.                               

Perhaps Michael and his fellow right wingers should sit inside a packed room daily since they think it's safe to do. But they won't do it, they only want others to go through it. Perfect example is the cowardly hypocrites at Faux Propaganda. Hacks like Laura Ingraham and Hack Hannity screaming for people to go back to work and kids to be in school aren't even at work themselves. They broadcast from home because the network deemed it to be unsafe working in the studio. So, here these hypocrites demand people to be forced into a pandemic and here they are working safely from home with a blue screen behind them making it appear as if they are in the studio. Why aren't these frauds out in the middle of a pandemic? Just more hypocrisy from these hacks as they push disinformation to the sheep. That's why these right wingers have zero credibility and are only there to prop up Donald Trump as state run media. He calls the MSM the '"enemy of the people" and "fake news" for a reason. He wants to abolish the free press like all dictators do and have the real fake news like Faux Propaganda run in a 24/7 loop praising him. That's why this lunatic must be defeated in a massive landslide in November. Children are at severe risk for COVID-19 diseases as you can see below and watch both videos as well. So, what we've read from Michael is the bogus disinformation that right wingers are pushing since this is all they can do to cover up the death and destruction Donald Trump cause this country.                   


85 babies infected with COVID-19 in Texas county
https://www.wsoctv.com/news/trending/85-babies-under-12-months-old-infected-with-covid-19-texas-county/2HJ3IHRUFVC2RJ2YDIRNC6AD6U/

As COVID-19 death tolls reach new highs, millions of children in CA and across U.S. unlikely to return to classrooms
https://ktla.com/news/california/as-covid-19-death-tolls-reach-new-highs-millions-of-children-across-u-s-learn-of-unlikely-return-to-classrooms/

Children face risk for severe complications and death from COVID-19
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/05/200511142153.htm

Doctors warn of rise in serious condition in Arizona kids from COVID-19 exposure
https://www.azfamily.com/news/continuing_coverage/coronavirus_coverage/doctors-warn-of-rise-in-serious-condition-in-arizona-kids-from-covid-19-exposure/article_e7148e86-c63c-11ea-bdf6-43f0f5624f01.html

Researchers report nearly 300 cases of inflammatory syndrome tied to Covid-19 in kids
https://www.statnews.com/2020/06/29/nejm-inflammation-children-covid19-misc/

Researchers find neurological damage in four children with coronavirus inflammatory syndrome
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/02/researchers-find-neurological-damage-in-four-children-with-coronavirus-inflammatory-syndrome.html

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-06-21/babies-children-december-deaths-join-the-wait-for-covid-19-testing

Protect Our Kids


Keep Your Child Home


https://www.rawstory.com/2020/07/covid-19-cases-spike-in-la-as-15-kids-sick-with-rare-virus-related-syndrome/

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/07/troubled-trump-to-relaunch-his-televised-coronavirus-briefings/

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/07/the-gops-distrust-of-science-has-made-the-us-a-petri-dish-of-infection-during-the-coronavirus-crisis-journalist/

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/07/america-was-supposed-to-build-a-bridge-to-covid-recovery-instead-we-built-a-pier-op-ed/

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/07/trump-went-from-laughable-to-pitiful-trying-to-convince-chris-wallace-hes-not-suffering-from-dementia-msnbc-panel/

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/07/trump-threat-to-unleash-secret-police-in-other-us-cities-slammed-as-scheme-to-steal-the-november-election/

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/07/100000-lives-late-trump-ridiculed-for-proclaiming-himself-your-favorite-president-in-belated-message-on-masks/
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 20, 2020, 11:48:44 PM
Donald Trump using his Gestapo to attack American citizens and tear gassing pregnant women is turning off the GOP. Our liberties are at stake with this fascist wannabe dictator and Americans have had enough. Sycophant Rand Paul is speaking out. Thousands of moms will be out protesting in Portland tonight against Donald Trump. He woke up this entire city and they are outraged and so is all of America.     


Rand Paul Hits Trump for Sending Troops Into Cities

Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) voiced opposition to President Trump’s efforts to send federal law enforcement agents to Democratic-controlled cities.

Said Paul: “We cannot give up liberty for security. Local law enforcement can and should be handling these situations in our cities but there is no place for federal troops or unidentified federal agents rounding people up at will.”

https://politicalwire.com/2020/07/20/rand-paul-hits-trump-for-sending-troops-into-cities/
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 20, 2020, 11:56:26 PM
  PLEASE Post a pic of those, "1,000's of MOM'S out protesting in Portland tonight....". Moms Have and Always will support Law & Order to protect their children. You guys continue handing Nov to Trump on a silver platter.  Thanks so much for what You are doing.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 21, 2020, 12:07:42 AM
  PLEASE Post a pic of those, "1,000's of MOM'S out protesting in Portland tonight....". Moms Have and Always will support Law & Order to protect their children. You guys continue handing Nov to Trump on a silver platter.  Thanks so much for what You are doing.

Fool... those pro-law & order moms are protesting against the uniformed thugs that are beating up their children on Trump's orders.

Get a grip on reality, will ya....
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 21, 2020, 12:12:03 AM

  Please post a pic of "CHILDREN"  at these Riots in Portland, Chi Town, etc. Thanks
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Ray Mitcham on July 21, 2020, 12:13:09 AM
  PLEASE Post a pic of those, "1,000's of MOM'S out protesting in Portland tonight....". Moms Have and Always will support Law & Order to protect their children. You guys continue handing Nov to Trump on a silver platter.  Thanks so much for what You are doing.

Do you support Trump's Secret Police action, Storing?
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 21, 2020, 12:18:52 AM
  Please post a pic of "CHILDREN"  at these Riots in Portland, Chi Town, etc. Thanks

Why don't you do it yourself;

  PLEASE Post a pic of those, "1,000's of MOM'S out protesting in Portland tonight....". Moms Have and Always will support Law & Order to protect their children. You guys continue handing Nov to Trump on a silver platter.  Thanks so much for what You are doing.

Is this really the best you've got?
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 21, 2020, 12:22:59 AM
  I am in favor of Trump restoring Law & Order in All of these cities. Local/State Govt has had plenty of time to do so on their own. They have done Squat on their own resulting in people/children getting Killed and Injured. Businesses inside these cities are also taking it in the shorts over an extended period of time. Anarchy being permitted to Exist will Expand.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 21, 2020, 12:24:59 AM
  Please post a pic of "CHILDREN"  at these Riots in Portland, Chi Town, etc. Thanks

Be happy to do that....the moment you post Biden stating he wants to defund the police departments. You’ve said this numerous times. How long shall we wait genius?
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 21, 2020, 12:30:07 AM
The list of things Donald Trump has done to offend mothers in this country is long—not the least of which is his attempt to force their children back to school with no plan to keep them safe from a raging pandemic. As Skocpol and Williamson documented with their research, many of these mothers had never been involved in electoral politics before. The president and his Republican enablers have woken up a sleeping giant and the day will come when they rue the day they did so.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 21, 2020, 12:40:11 AM
  I am in favor of Trump restoring Law & Order in All of these cities. Local/State Govt has had plenty of time to do so on their own. They have done Squat on their own resulting in people/children getting Killed and Injured. Businesses inside these cities are also taking it in the shorts over an extended period of time. Anarchy being permitted to Exist will Expand.

I am in favor of Trump restoring Law & Order in All of these cities.

Do you really believe that's what he's doing? You can't be that ignorant....

You don't understand that Trump's thugs will only escalate the problem? Setting city centers on fire and enticing more protests and riots is a hell of a way to win votes..... Nobody condones riots and looting, but this heavy handed approach is going to backfire big time.

Anarchy being permitted to Exist will Expand.

So will riots and protests against thugs in uniform who attack, beat up and arrest civilians.

A President that turns armed forces on his own people needs to be removed from office. And he will be!
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 21, 2020, 12:57:19 AM
PLEASE Post a pic of those, "1,000's of MOM'S out protesting in Portland tonight....". Moms Have and Always will support Law & Order to protect their children. You guys continue handing Nov to Trump on a silver platter.  Thanks so much for what You are doing.

Are you this clueless? Sorry, this is losing Republicans as Donald Trump is threatening our freedoms and liberties with his secret Gestapo. This is all a right wing scam. Right wing extremists known as "boogaloos" are infiltrating peaceful protests to cause violence and civil war. Donald Trump's law and order scam isn't working as Americans aren't going to be attacked and removed by secret Gestapos.  Here's the Portland moms in Yellow and more are going to be out tonight protecting the protesters. From your Faux Propaganda.


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EdV8xOUUEAEsHJJ?format=jpg)

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Portland 'Wall of Moms' acting as human barrier between protesters, law enforcement
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 21, 2020, 12:59:27 AM
Once again Storing is asked to support his continual lie that Biden said he supported defunding police departments. He can’t. He knows it. So her runs away.....as usual. But he’ll return with more lies. I wrote his profile. He has my permission to use it. :D

Good lord. You even lack creativity. If one had to put a profile to you, here is how it would likely look. Ready?

And old man perhaps mid 60’s. Little to no formal education. Disregarded by family. Given little respect. Then, with the advent of the internet, you have a renaissance. You can be anybody you choose to be. You can lie. You can attempt to make yourself relevant. And try you do. Yet, you make the same mistakes repeatedly. Know what that shows? Ignorance. An inability one with any degree of education would see. Would understand. Not you however. The lies grow and grow. You have clients. Your counsel is sought. You have inside information. We, on this thread question what you say. You ignore all questions. You refuse all challenges. You have no choice. All you’ve done is lie. So, when overwhelmed, you leave. You run. You return another day and lie all over again. You’re a dismal failure even as a liar. We, on this thread see it repeating itself everyday. You learn nothing. That’s your ignorance. Glad I could help.




Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Joffrey van de Wiel on July 21, 2020, 01:04:59 AM
It seems the United States are more divided than ever, which is not good. I hope that who ever wins the election in November will have the strength of character, the wisdom and compassion needed to re-unite and heal the nation, perhaps in more ways than one.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 21, 2020, 01:15:58 AM
I am in favor of Trump restoring Law & Order in All of these cities. Local/State Govt has had plenty of time to do so on their own. They have done Squat on their own resulting in people/children getting Killed and Injured. Businesses inside these cities are also taking it in the shorts over an extended period of time. Anarchy being permitted to Exist will Expand.

PLEASE Post a pic of those, "1,000's of MOM'S out protesting in Portland tonight....". Moms Have and Always will support Law & Order to protect their children. You guys continue handing Nov to Trump on a silver platter.  Thanks so much for what You are doing.

America will not fall to Donald Trump's fascism. America knows what Donald Trump is doing. Portland moms are joining the protest to protect children from being beaten and rounded up by Donald Trump's Gestapo. He is handing the election to Joe Biden as Republicans see their liberties threatened by this lunatic. 

Robert Evans:
I am here outside the Federal Courthouse in Downtown Portland, where a crowd of mothers have gathered again after being tear gassed last night by feds. This is one of the largest Portland crowds we have seen this month.

https://twitter.com/IwriteOK/status/1285069430666326016


@SamSandeeson123: I've been thinking about this. And I don't have your platform

This thing Barr & Trump are doing in Portland, most likely a dry run for all cities.  Doing nothing is not going to work
@tedwheeler @OregonGovBrown
 
So, who has the power to stop this?  Women do

Mask up women of Oregon, Washington State, Northern Cali. Descend on Portland. Stand between Barr's secret police unidentified ninja turtle costumed army and the young men & women protesting.

Mothers, daughters, grandmothers, teenage women. It's up to us to stop fascism.

Because Barr and Trump's nutso white supremacist unidentified army is not going to shoot women. It is simply not going to happen.

Women, only we can call this bluff of Trump's. If it happens in your area women, get organized now to stop it.

https://twitter.com/SamSanderson123/status/1284533562197315584
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Jerry Organ on July 21, 2020, 01:19:18 AM
It seems the United States are more divided than ever, which is not good. I hope that who ever wins the election in November will have the strength of character, the wisdom and compassion needed to re-unite and heal the nation, perhaps in more ways than one.

You wouldn't bother promulgating ideological chimeras that if you lived in the United States, or a neighboring country.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 21, 2020, 01:26:30 AM
PLEASE Post a pic of those, "1,000's of MOM'S out protesting in Portland tonight....". Moms Have and Always will support Law & Order to protect their children. You guys continue handing Nov to Trump on a silver platter.  Thanks so much for what You are doing.

Portland moms are standing up against Donald Trump's fascism and abuse of power. He has angered an entire city and a nation as Republicans like John Kasich are endorsing Joe Biden to save America. Donald Trump instructed his Gestapo to tear gas women and children. He is attacking Americans. This will not stand as this is a criminal act. Donald Trump is going to be defeated in a massive landslide in November. Republicans will not stand for this.         

Robert Evans:  It is beginning to look like repeatedly tear gassing a crowd of moms may have been a tactical error.
https://twitter.com/IwriteOK/status/1285069430666326016

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Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 21, 2020, 01:34:36 AM
PLEASE Post a pic of those, "1,000's of MOM'S out protesting in Portland tonight....". Moms Have and Always will support Law & Order to protect their children. You guys continue handing Nov to Trump on a silver platter.  Thanks so much for what You are doing.

Thousands of more moms will be out tonight. 

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Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 21, 2020, 01:41:14 AM
Read it and weep Storing. :D

Fauci to Throw First Pitch at Washington Nationals Season Opener.

Dr. Anthony Fauci will throw the first pitch at the Washington Nationals season opener against the New York Yankees Thursday. Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, has often been seen sporting a Nationals face mask since health officials began advising that face coverings be worn to combat the spread of the coronavirus. “Dr. Fauci has been a true champion for our country during the COVID-19 pandemic and throughout his distinguished career, so it is only fitting that we honor him as we kick off the 2020 season and defend our World Series championship title,” the Nationals said in a statement.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 21, 2020, 01:48:00 AM
Royell is a propagandist who posts bogus disinformation. If any of you are on Twitter, you will see the same nonsense being spouted off by anonymous "Q" accounts. Not one thing they post is accurate or credible. It's designed for distraction and for the illusion of pretending Donald Trump is "winning" for a depression tactic. And all these jokers claim they are "in the know" getting "inside information". It is a joke and gullible suckers fall for it.         
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 21, 2020, 01:51:59 AM
Read it and weep Storing. :D

Fauci to Throw First Pitch at Washington Nationals Season Opener.

Dr. Anthony Fauci will throw the first pitch at the Washington Nationals season opener against the New York Yankees Thursday. Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, has often been seen sporting a Nationals face mask since health officials began advising that face coverings be worn to combat the spread of the coronavirus. “Dr. Fauci has been a true champion for our country during the COVID-19 pandemic and throughout his distinguished career, so it is only fitting that we honor him as we kick off the 2020 season and defend our World Series championship title,” the Nationals said in a statement.


"What? Fauci is throwing out a first pitch?"   
(https://occupydemocrats.com/wp-content/uploads/trumphayes.png)

This joker won't even throw out a first pitch. 
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 21, 2020, 02:08:11 AM

  No where do I see these alleged "Moms" protesting having Fed Forces cleaning up their city. "Silence is Violence" & "Quell this" = MOM SUPPORT for the Feds cleaning things up! The BLM stuff has Nothing to do with these Mom's showing their SUPPORT.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 21, 2020, 02:10:36 AM
Read it and weep Storing. :D

Fauci to Throw First Pitch at Washington Nationals Season Opener.

Dr. Anthony Fauci will throw the first pitch at the Washington Nationals season opener against the New York Yankees Thursday. Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, has often been seen sporting a Nationals face mask since health officials began advising that face coverings be worn to combat the spread of the coronavirus. “Dr. Fauci has been a true champion for our country during the COVID-19 pandemic and throughout his distinguished career, so it is only fitting that we honor him as we kick off the 2020 season and defend our World Series championship title,” the Nationals said in a statement.

   I have no use for Bandwagoners in general.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 21, 2020, 02:16:45 AM
No where do I see these alleged "Moms" protesting having Fed Forces cleaning up their city. "Silence is Violence" & "Quell this" = MOM SUPPORT for the Feds cleaning things up! The BLM stuff has Nothing to do with these Mom's showing their SUPPORT.

 :D :D :D

Same old tactic from Storing. When he is proven wrong, he still claims it didn't happen and tries to claim victory. Really pathetic.

I've posted the photos, a video, and tweets from a journalist, and the "head mom" who organize the protest with the "wall of moms" standing up to Donald Trump' fascism. Royell can keep his head in the sand as his denying posts mean nothing. Portland is angry their rights are being taken away. America is angry and we are not going to live like this under a wannabe authoritarian dictator. Republicans are joining the fight as well. Donald Trump is going to lose in a massive landslide in November. The moms are coming out to save Portland and America from fascism.             

Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 21, 2020, 02:18:21 AM

  Appreciate your posting those pics showing the MOM'S SUPPORT of Fed intervention.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 21, 2020, 02:22:00 AM
  No where do I see these alleged "Moms" protesting having Fed Forces cleaning up their city. "Silence is Violence" & "Quell this" = MOM SUPPORT for the Feds cleaning things up! The BLM stuff has Nothing to do with these Mom's showing their SUPPORT.

Just how far detached from reality are you?


Masked thugs in uniform throwing tear gas to protesting moms.... Yeah, that's some strategy for winning an election.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 21, 2020, 02:22:43 AM
  Appreciate your posting those pics showing the MOM'S SUPPORT of Fed intervention.

 :D  :D :D

Nice try. The mom's were tear gassed and they do not support Donald Trump's Gestapo. You're not a good gaslighter. You lost. 


Robert Evans:
I am here outside the Federal Courthouse in Downtown Portland, where a crowd of mothers have gathered again after being tear gassed last night by feds. This is one of the largest Portland crowds we have seen this month.

https://twitter.com/IwriteOK/status/1285069430666326016


@SamSandeeson123: I've been thinking about this. And I don't have your platform

This thing Barr & Trump are doing in Portland, most likely a dry run for all cities.  Doing nothing is not going to work @tedwheeler @OregonGovBrown
 
So, who has the power to stop this?  Women do

Mask up women of Oregon, Washington State, Northern Cali. Descend on Portland. Stand between Barr's secret police unidentified ninja turtle costumed army and the young men & women protesting.

Mothers, daughters, grandmothers, teenage women. It's up to us to stop fascism.

Because Barr and Trump's nutso white supremacist unidentified army is not going to shoot women. It is simply not going to happen.

Women, only we can call this bluff of Trump's. If it happens in your area women, get organized now to stop it.

https://twitter.com/SamSanderson123/status/1284533562197315584
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 21, 2020, 02:28:10 AM
:D  :D :D

Nice try. The mom's were tear gassed and they do not support Donald Trump's Gestapo. You're not a good gaslighter. You lost. 


Robert Evans:
I am here outside the Federal Courthouse in Downtown Portland, where a crowd of mothers have gathered again after being tear gassed last night by feds. This is one of the largest Portland crowds we have seen this month.

https://twitter.com/IwriteOK/status/1285069430666326016


@SamSandeeson123: I've been thinking about this. And I don't have your platform

This thing Barr & Trump are doing in Portland, most likely a dry run for all cities.  Doing nothing is not going to work @tedwheeler @OregonGovBrown
 
So, who has the power to stop this?  Women do

Mask up women of Oregon, Washington State, Northern Cali. Descend on Portland. Stand between Barr's secret police unidentified ninja turtle costumed army and the young men & women protesting.

Mothers, daughters, grandmothers, teenage women. It's up to us to stop fascism.

Because Barr and Trump's nutso white supremacist unidentified army is not going to shoot women. It is simply not going to happen.

Women, only we can call this bluff of Trump's. If it happens in your area women, get organized now to stop it.

https://twitter.com/SamSanderson123/status/1284533562197315584

If Storing sees moms supporting those armed thugs in uniform in those pictures, it only tells you how far removed from any perception of reality he truly is.

But at least now I am beginning to understand his bogus claims about all the support he thinks Trump is getting. The next thing he will tell you is that the protesters are actually supporting Trump and the troops that are beating them up.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 21, 2020, 02:28:46 AM
     A Date and Location attached to the video would help, though DACA Kids have Nothing to do with the Violence that is being committed by Adults.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 21, 2020, 02:34:00 AM
     A Date and Location attached to the video would help, though DACA Kids have Nothing to do with the Violence that is being committed by Adults.

The video was posted on YouTube 7 hours ago.

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'Moms are here': Women form wall around protesters in Portland, Oregon.

A group of women formed a human wall around protesters in Portland, Oregon, chanting: "Moms are here. Feds stay clear."

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Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 21, 2020, 02:35:44 AM
     A Date and Location attached to the video would help, though DACA Kids have Nothing to do with the Violence that is being committed by Adults.

And yet, we, the members of this forum are AGAIN requesting PROOF of your statement: Biden said he would defund police departments. Or as Trump was unmasked by Chris Wallace as a LIAR, you too are being unmasked as a habitual liar. Whatcha think junior?
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 21, 2020, 02:39:18 AM
The Storing story: he’s here to lie every single day.

And old man perhaps mid 60’s. Little to no formal education. Disregarded by family. Given little respect. Then, with the advent of the internet, you have a renaissance. You can be anybody you choose to be. You can lie. You can attempt to make yourself relevant. And try you do. Yet, you make the same mistakes repeatedly. Know what that shows? Ignorance. An inability one with any degree of education would see. Would understand. Not you however. The lies grow and grow. You have clients. Your counsel is sought. You have inside information. We, on this thread question what you say. You ignore all questions. You refuse all challenges. You have no choice. All you’ve done is lie. So, when overwhelmed, you leave. You run. You return another day and lie all over again. You’re a dismal failure even as a liar. We, on this thread see it repeating itself everyday. You learn nothing. That’s your ignorance. Glad I could help.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 21, 2020, 02:40:55 AM
If Storing sees moms supporting those armed thugs in uniform in those pictures, it only tells you how far removed from any perception of reality he truly is.

But at least now I am beginning to understand his bogus claims about all the support he thinks Trump is getting. The next thing he will tell you is that the protesters are actually supporting Trump and the troops that are beating them up.

Storing is delusional and claims the opposite of what's going on. I just posted from the Twitter account from the "head mom" calling for women to protest against Donald Trump and his Gestapo and he's claiming the mom's are supporting Donald Trump. He provides good comedy.   

Trump isn't getting hardly any support. His hardcore fans are sticking with him because he uses racism daily but his soft supporters are abandoning him in droves. He already lost 5% of Republicans and is down to 38% approval. He can't win with those numbers.       
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 21, 2020, 02:41:25 AM
  Well, we Know it is Not currently DARK in Portland making the date questionable. Also, the affiliation of the uniformed men needs to be established. Even with all this Mom support, I doubt Trump will carry Oregon this Nov.   
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 21, 2020, 02:44:08 AM

The list of things Donald Trump has done to offend mothers in this country is long—not the least of which is his attempt to force their children back to school with no plan to keep them safe from a raging pandemic. As Skocpol and Williamson documented with their research, many of these mothers had never been involved in electoral politics before. The president and his Republican enablers have woken up a sleeping giant and the day will come when they rue the day they did so
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 21, 2020, 02:45:47 AM
  Well, we Know it is Not currently DARK in Portland making the date questionable. Also, the affiliation of the uniformed men needs to be established. Even with all this Mom support, I doubt Trump will carry Oregon this Nov.

Anything to spin your way out of this one, right?

Denial of reality isn't uncommon to you, but then how can it be any different when you are stuck in your basement 24/7 watching TV and dreaming of all those secret missions you desperately want to go on but never will, the internals that never existed and the influence you will never have.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 21, 2020, 02:59:33 AM

  I see the ADULT RIOTERS are at it again tonight in Portland. Lucky for Local Law that the Trump "Untouchables" are there to lend a hand. Local Police under attack as we speak.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 21, 2020, 03:57:55 AM
Fox News, Ed Henry, Sean Hannity & Tucker Carlson Sued In Sex Trafficking, Sexual Harassment & Retaliation Suit
https://deadline.com/2020/07/ed-henry-sexual-harassment-lawsuit-filed-fox-news-tucker-carlson-sean-hannity-1202989963/

 :D  :D   :D
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 21, 2020, 04:01:19 AM
I  see the ADULT RIOTERS are at it again tonight in Portland. Lucky for Local Law that the Trump "Untouchables" are there to lend a hand. Local Police under attack as we speak.

Fake Propagandist. Right wing extremists are infiltrating peaceful protests.   

Boogaloo movement’ seeks second Civil War, may be trying to incite violence at protests
https://www.oregonlive.com/nation/2020/06/boogaloo-movement-seeks-second-civil-war-may-be-trying-to-incite-violence-at-protests.html
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 21, 2020, 04:17:39 AM
  I see the ADULT RIOTERS are at it again tonight in Portland. Lucky for Local Law that the Trump "Untouchables" are there to lend a hand. Local Police under attack as we speak.

I suppose we better leave you the illusion of your alternate reality, because without it, you've got nothing.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 21, 2020, 04:43:59 AM
Want more proof Donald Trump is going to lose in a massive landslide? Players on the San Francisco Giants tonight, including Manager Gabe Kapler, took a knee in support of BLM. This is a national movement to save America from racism, police brutality, and Donald Trump's fascism. Americans are fighting to save our country. 

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Edaeb22VAAAIYbB?format=jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Edaeb21U4AAAKbq?format=jpg)
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 21, 2020, 04:46:13 AM
A Study in Self-Pity
By YUVAL LEVIN
July 20, 2020 9:56 AM

 
President Donald Trump attends a news conference in the Rose Garden at the White House in Washington, D.C., July 14, 2020.
Chris Wallace’s interview of President Trump, which aired on Sunday, is well worth watching if you’ve got a strong stomach.

The parts about the pandemic are as terrifying as you’ve heard—a veritable catalog of unfitness, incompetence, and willful ignorance that will leave you grateful for America’s system of federalism.

But I actually thought the most interesting and telling bit of the interview was at the very end, and wasn’t about the virus. Here’s the final question and answer:

WALLACE: Whether it’s in 2021 or 2025, how will you regard your years as President of the United States?

TRUMP: I think I was very unfairly treated. From before I even won I was under investigation by a bunch of thieves, crooks. It was an illegal investigation.

WALLACE: But what about the good –

TRUMP: Russia, Russia, Russia.

WALLACE: But what about the good parts, sir?

TRUMP: No, no. I want to go this. I have done more than any president in history in the first three and a half years, and I’ve done it suffering through investigations where people have been – General Flynn, where people have been so unfairly treated.

The Russia hoax, it was all a hoax. The Mueller scam, it was all scam. It was all false. I made a bad decision on – one bad decision. Jeff Sessions, and now I feel good because he lost overwhelmingly in the great state of Alabama.

Here’s the bottom line. I’ve been very unfairly treated, and I don’t say that as paranoid. I’ve been very – everybody says it. It’s going to be interesting to see what happens. But there was tremendous evidence right now as to how unfairly treated I was. President Obama and Biden spied on my campaign. It’s never happened in history. If it were the other way around, the people would be in jail for 50 years right now.

That would be Comey, that would be Brennan, that would be all of this – the two lovers, Strzok and Page, they would be in jail now for many, many years. They would be in jail, it would’ve started two years ago and they’d be there for 50 years. The fact is, they illegally spied on my campaign. Let’s see what happens. Despite that, I did more than any president in history in the first three and a half years.

WALLACE: Mr. President, thank you, thanks for talking with us.

TRUMP: Thank you, thank you very much.

Asked to reflect on his term so far as he seeks re-election, the president’s answer is that he was treated unfairly. Even when he is literally invited by his interviewer to say good things about himself, all he can reach for is resentment.


There is more to this than there might seem to be at first. The sense that he was being treated unfairly had a huge amount to do with why Donald Trump ran for president in the first place, and the sense that they were being treated unfairly had a lot to do with why his earliest supporters and voters found him appealing. Channeling resentment is near the source of his political prowess.

And of course, he’s not wrong. The sense of resentment he has channeled has been rooted in some important realities, and even his own sense that he has been treated unfairly by his opponents as president is not mistaken. Sure he has. But that this sense of resentment is chiefly what drives him, that he can’t see past it or point beyond it, has been a crucial factor in many of his biggest failures as an executive.

He has treated the world’s most powerful job as a stage from which to vent his frustrations with the world’s mistreatment of him, and this has often kept him from advancing durable aims, from capitalizing on opportunities, from learning from mistakes, and from leading. In reasonably good times, it meant that he turned our national politics into a reality-television performance—focused, as those often are, on the drama of bruised egos. But in a time of crisis, it has left him incapable of rising to the challenge of his job, and the consequences have been dire.

In other words, his answer seems right: Whether it’s in 2021 or 2025, the blinding power of self-pity and resentment may well end up being what stands out most when we regard Donald Trump’s years as President of the United States.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 21, 2020, 05:02:07 AM

  People are raised Differently. Old School = "Actions speak Louder than Words" in conjunction with "A Good Deed is its Own Reward". Trump was raised Old School. He has previously used his wealth, and now his power and position to Help many people. Your Judgments ring hollow.   
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: John Mytton on July 21, 2020, 05:05:28 AM
The **overall average** survival rate in the U.S. is 95.8%, but you really need to look at the survival rates by age group because there is a huge difference between the rates for ages 65 and over and the rates for ages 64 and below.

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JohnM
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 21, 2020, 05:15:39 AM
  People are raised Differently. Old School = "Actions speak Louder than Words" in conjunction with "A Good Deed is its Own Reward". Trump was raised Old School. He has previously used his wealth, and now his power and position to Help many people. Your Judgments ring hollow.

He has previously used his wealth, and now his power and position to Help many people.

I won't let this one slide.... Who in the world did Trump help except himself? Go on then... impress us all or be exposed as a delusional liar.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 21, 2020, 05:22:20 AM
  People are raised Differently. Old School = "Actions speak Louder than Words" in conjunction with "A Good Deed is its Own Reward". Trump was raised Old School. He has previously used his wealth, and now his power and position to Help many people. Your Judgments ring hollow.

Trumps father was a racist. A conman. A grifter. Trump himself was a failure throughout his real estate career. He grifted to reality television. Trump would eat his own children if it meant money, recognition and branding. Posting your lies again and again won’t change his image or history. His pandemic is killing Americans daily. His storm troopers are assaulting American citizens. Economy is in the tank and Trumps base has had enough. November will be a historical shout down of Trump and the GOP. Leave with him. You’re a horrible ignorant anti-American who like Trump has done nothing for America. I’d spit on you if I could.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 21, 2020, 05:59:49 AM

  This attempted Shunning is Exactly why Trump will win. Whether You know it or not, you guys operate Exactly like a Cult/Gang does. Join or be maligned/destroyed. Very sad to witness this.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 21, 2020, 06:06:05 AM
  This attempted Shunning is Exactly why Trump will win. Whether You know it or not, you guys operate Exactly like a Cult/Gang does. Join or be maligned/destroyed. Very sad to witness this.

You sound like a German officer in April 1945
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: John Iacoletti on July 21, 2020, 06:12:13 AM
     It's obvious that your political savy extends all the way into Tomorrow. You're in WAY over your head. Man Up to your limitations and Move On.

So no evidence then that AOC intends to go after Schumer’s Senate seat.

That’s what I thought. More Royell  BS.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 21, 2020, 06:36:03 AM
So no evidence then that AOC intends to go after Schumer’s Senate seat.

That’s what I thought. More Royell  BS.

As a really faithfull fanatic, Royell is making stuff up. It's easier than to face reality
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 21, 2020, 06:37:11 AM
People are raised Differently. Old School = "Actions speak Louder than Words" in conjunction with "A Good Deed is its Own Reward". Trump was raised Old School. He has previously used his wealth, and now his power and position to Help many people. Your Judgments ring hollow.

Do you even believe what you type?  :D

Donald Trump was raised in a racist dysfunctional family. His racist father gave him millions of dollars which he squandered in failed bankrupt casinos. He's deeply in debt by the tens of millions to foreign countries and not one US bank has anything to do with him. Donald Trump doesn't "help" anybody but himself. He doesn't care about you or anybody else. He had a chance to help every American by defeating COVID-19 and he called it a hoax refusing to help anybody. Now we are suffering the deadly consequence of his inaction with massive death, infection, and unemployment. You are just like Brian Doyle. You make up crap about Donald Trump like he did with Sarah Stanton. Not one thing is true.                     


He has previously used his wealth, and now his power and position to Help many people.

I won't let this one slide.... Who in the world did Trump help except himself? Go on then... impress us all or be exposed as a delusional liar.


Royell didn't even answer you Martin. That tells us all we need to know. 

Funny how Royell and every brainwashed cultist thinks Donald Trump is going to "help" them. The delusion is real.


This attempted Shunning is Exactly why Trump will win. Whether You know it or not, you guys operate Exactly like a Cult/Gang does. Join or be maligned/destroyed. Very sad to witness this.

More projection.

You are part of the cult. You follow your orange cult leader and give him undying love no matter what believing every word he tells you even though it's nothing but lies. Pathetic.   
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 21, 2020, 06:48:43 AM
Care to comment on this Royell? Thought you would be "in the know". :D  #ByeByeTucker


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Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 21, 2020, 07:32:56 AM
   With regard to the above, there is No Source listed. This means it gets Zero Consideration.
   I can understand some of You getting extremely nervous as the election nears. Fuzzy Joe is Now being scrutinized and found to be on the Extreme Left side of numerous Important issues. Currently, it's his Divert/Defund The Police and the Non-Stop running of that Trump Campaign Commercial addressing this is Very Emotionally Compelling. On down the line we will see Fuzzy being exposed for wanting to abolish the internal combustion engine/auto industry, ending America being Energy Independent, Open Borders, sending authorities to physically Repo gun(s), Elimination of Cows/Dairy Industry, Fuzzy's declining mental state, etc. You think you are nervous Now? It only gets worse from this point forward.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 21, 2020, 07:52:45 AM
With regard to the above, there is No Source listed. This means it gets Zero Consideration.
I can understand some of You getting extremely nervous as the election nears. Fuzzy Joe is Now being scrutinized and found to be on the Extreme Left side of numerous Important issues. Currently, it's his Divert/Defund The Police and the Non-Stop running of that Trump Campaign Commercial addressing this is Very Emotionally Compelling. On down the line we will see Fuzzy being exposed for wanting to abolish the internal combustion engine/auto industry, ending America being Energy Independent, Open Borders, sending authorities to physically Repo gun(s), Elimination of Cows/Dairy Industry, Fuzzy's declining mental state, etc. You think you are nervous Now? It only gets worse from this point forward.

 :D :D :D

More BS: propaganda. 

The only ones nervous is the GOP who is witnessing an impending wipe out like in 2018. Donald Trump is losing so badly he's reversing his course on masks pretending he was for them all along. He'll lose his lunatic fringe base. They live for a freak show. Normal Trump loses another 10%. He'll be down to 25% by the time the re-enactment of the Bridge on the River Kwai kicks off in Jacksonville complete with medical tents for delegates to swelter in a blazing FL sun.

Biden isn't defunding the police. Right wingers keep lying about that. The overwhelming majority of Americans want Donald Trump gone. Get used to it.

Joe Biden did not call for defunding the police
https://apnews.com/afs:Content:9083703494

Joe Biden Declares Definitively, "I Do Not Support Defunding Police"
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/06/10/joe-biden-declares-definitively-i-do-not-support-defunding-police/#5b1b62adaeab


Donald Trump's poor mental health made him take an easy cognitive test he thought was "hard. Look at this dementia moron. What a total embarrassment.


   
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 21, 2020, 08:01:48 AM
With regard to the above, there is No Source listed. This means it gets Zero Consideration.
 I can understand some of You getting extremely nervous as the election nears. Fuzzy Joe is Now being scrutinized and found to be on the Extreme Left side of numerous Important issues. Currently, it's his Divert/Defund The Police and the Non-Stop running of that Trump Campaign Commercial addressing this is Very Emotionally Compelling. On down the line we will see Fuzzy being exposed for wanting to abolish the internal combustion engine/auto industry, ending America being Energy Independent, Open Borders, sending authorities to physically Repo gun(s), Elimination of Cows/Dairy Industry, Fuzzy's declining mental state, etc. You think you are nervous Now? It only gets worse from this point forward.

Yawn! Same old useless talking points all over Twitter and the internet. This is why Donald Trump is at 38% and dropping fast. They have no issues and only peddle conspiracy theories against Biden.   

The extreme left was crushed when Biden defeated Sanders.   

You better consider it because that was an excerpt directly from the sexual misconduct lawsuit filed against Hack Hannity and Carlson.  :D
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Ray Mitcham on July 21, 2020, 09:51:55 AM
Methinks Storing should take the dementia test. He seems to be in the same mental state as Orangatrump. In a  total state of denial,  seeing things that don't exist, and unable to understand the simplest of arguments.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 21, 2020, 12:03:14 PM
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Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 21, 2020, 12:06:38 PM
UNFIT: Trump’s mental fitness examined by health professionals in new doc to be released before election.

Bob Brigham

A new documentary film examining President Donald Trump’s mental stability is set to be released prior to ballots being mailed out for the 2020 presidential elections.

Although Trump himself has claimed he is “a very stable genius,” mental health professionals have warned otherwise.

The new film, set to be released on September 1st, is titled “UNFIT: THE PSYCHOLOGY OF DONALD TRUMP.”

“Is Donald Trump fit to hold the office of President of the United States?” the filmmakers asked in a press release. “#UNFIT presents an eye-opening analysis of the behavior, psyche, condition and stability of Donald Trump. It takes a sociological look at the electorate that chose him, and the collective effect he is having on our culture and institutions. During the 2016 campaign, mental health professionals felt policy-bound from speaking publicly. Now, after years of observation, for the first time ever, they have decided enough is enough.”
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 21, 2020, 01:03:07 PM
Trump’s Father Struggled With Alzheimer’s Disease for 6 Years — What Does That Mean for Trump?
https://www.politicalflare.com/2020/02/trumps-father-struggled-with-alzheimers-disease-for-6-years-what-does-that-mean-for-trump/

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Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 21, 2020, 01:13:40 PM
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Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Ray Mitcham on July 21, 2020, 01:15:28 PM
When he posed with GOYA items in front of him, he didn't realise that GOYA stand for "Go you A**hole"
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 21, 2020, 01:38:33 PM
UNFIT: Trump's mental fitness examined by health professionals in new doc to be released before election

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A new documentary film examining President Donald Trump’s mental stability is set to be released prior to ballots being mailed out for the 2020 presidential elections.

Although Trump himself has claimed he is “a very stable genius,” mental health professionals have warned otherwise.

The new film, set to be released on September 1st, is titled “UNFIT: THE PSYCHOLOGY OF DONALD TRUMP.”

“Is Donald Trump fit to hold the office of President of the United States?” the filmmakers asked in a press release. “#UNFIT presents an eye-opening analysis of the behavior, psyche, condition and stability of Donald Trump. It takes a sociological look at the electorate that chose him, and the collective effect he is having on our culture and institutions. During the 2016 campaign, mental health professionals felt policy-bound from speaking publicly. Now, after years of observation, for the first time ever, they have decided enough is enough.”

Watch the trailer:

Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Ray Mitcham on July 21, 2020, 02:14:46 PM
Orangtrump  wants to be a dictator, but will only ever make it as far as the first syllable.

Throw him out!
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 21, 2020, 04:28:39 PM
  Strange seeing some on this Forum questioning the "mental fitness" of Trump, and then GO OFF Branding/Shunning Trump Supporters as being Racists, Homophobes, Zenowhatevers, etc. One of You last night went off like a Volcano saying You wanted to SPIT on Me. And YOU want to question Trump's "Mental fitness"?  Get a Mirror!
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 21, 2020, 04:53:57 PM
  Strange seeing some on this Forum questioning the "mental fitness" of Trump, and then GO OFF Branding/Shunning Trump Supporters as being Racists, Homophobes, Zenowhatevers, etc. One of You last night went off like a Volcano saying You wanted to SPIT on Me. And YOU want to question Trump's "Mental fitness"?  Get a Mirror!

Living in denial, as you do, isn't going to change reality.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: John Iacoletti on July 21, 2020, 05:13:00 PM
   With regard to the above, there is No Source listed. This means it gets Zero Consideration.

Says the guy who never cites anything.

For example, this:

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Currently, it's his Divert/Defund The Police

And this:

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wanting to abolish the internal combustion engine/auto industry,

And this:

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sending authorities to physically Repo gun(s),

And this:

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Elimination of Cows/Dairy Industry,
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Ray Mitcham on July 21, 2020, 05:17:01 PM
Portland Trumpstapo beat Navy Veteran with batons for no reason. Is Storing proud of this action?
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 21, 2020, 08:16:42 PM
The POTUS and the conman. Same guy.

Trump-owned properties in the US have imported more than 8 tons of Chinese goods since September

President Donald Trump's US properties have imported tons of Chinese goods since September, according to a CNN report on Tuesday.

Chinese-made cabinets and tables were reportedly shipped to the Trump International Hotel in New York and Trump National Gulf Club Los Angeles.

Trump has long lauded himself as being "tough on China" and pledged to address the trade deficit between the two countries.
The reported Trump-owned business dealings come after presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden released his proposal to boost American business.

President Donald Trump's US properties imported more than eight tons of Chinese goods since September, according to a CNN analysis.

More than six tons of tables were shipped to Trump International Hotel in New York last fall and two tons of cabinets were delivered to Trump National Golf Club Los Angeles in May, CNN reported.

On the 2016 campaign trail and throughout his presidency, Trump has accused China of unfair trade practices and pledged to address the trade deficit between the two countries.

As part of his "America First" policy, Trump entered a months-long tariff war with Beijing and has pressured American companies to redirect their business within the U.S.

Trump's "tough on China" stance appeared to soften in early January when a phase one trade deal was reached, though soon afterward he escalated attacks on Beijing after the coronavirus outbreak began. Over the past few months he has repeatedly used racist slurs like "kung flu" and "Wuhan virus" as part of his attempt to blame on China for the spread of the disease, which has been devastating the U.S.

Trump has used China as a campaign talking point in an attempt to distinguish himself from presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden, who he has claimed is "weak on China" and "China's puppet."

The news of Trump Organization's dealings come after Biden released his $700 billion campaign proposal last week aiming to boost the economy by emphasizing investment in American products and research, a plan that White House trade adviser Peter Navarro has dubbed as "blatantly ripping off" Trump's agenda.

Biden campaign's spokesperson tweeted the CNN story on Tuesday and wrote: "No wonder @JoeBiden's "Buy American" agenda triggered Trumps so much."

Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 21, 2020, 09:08:24 PM

  Trump's disdain regarding Foreign Trade Partners has Never been restricted to China. Many HATERS around here have forgotten about Trump railing during the 2016 Campaign regarding NAFTA/MEXICO. Trump's canceling of the NAFTA SHAFTA led to the current agreement along with the cooperation of Mexico's current Pres to place Their forces on the USA/Mexico border in order to restore order there. Trump put the screws to China which led to the current China Agreement Phase. China was brought to their knees after suffering there Worst economic year outta the last 65 years. This USA economic dominance has also been leveraged by Trump to dominate these same countries militarily. Foreign Trade/Policy is a Landslide Winning Issue for Trump 2020.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 21, 2020, 10:31:19 PM
  Trump's disdain regarding Foreign Trade Partners has Never been restricted to China. Many HATERS around here have forgotten about Trump railing during the 2016 Campaign regarding NAFTA/MEXICO. Trump's canceling of the NAFTA SHAFTA led to the current agreement along with the cooperation of Mexico's current Pres to place Their forces on the USA/Mexico border in order to restore order there. Trump put the screws to China which led to the current China Agreement Phase. China was brought to their knees after suffering there Worst economic year outta the last 65 years. This USA economic dominance has also been leveraged by Trump to dominate these same countries militarily. Foreign Trade/Policy is a Landslide Winning Issue for Trump 2020.

You’re no different than his press secretary. In your case, you totally ignore the posting AGAIN and go off on your propaganda BS. Why is Trumps private company buying tons of merchandise from China? What happened to his “Buy American” rhetoric? I notice also you make no mention of his tariff policy against China which raises retail prices for the American consumer up to 18%. Now I have to school you on economics? You were already schooled on polling. Answer the questions you’re asked and cut the propaganda bullshit.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 21, 2020, 11:18:29 PM
  "NOBODY", Repeat "NOBODY" pays 18% Extra $$, or any Extra $$  for a Chinese Made Product if they BUY AMERICAN made products.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 21, 2020, 11:28:02 PM
  "NOBODY", Repeat "NOBODY" pays 18% Extra $$, or any Extra $$  for a Chinese Made Product if they BUY AMERICAN made products.

Stupid comment. Ignores completely that American made products are normally more expensive to begin with.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 21, 2020, 11:36:26 PM

  Why do you believe last year China had such a Horrible Economic year? Trump knew what he was doing with his tariffs driving the prices of China products UP resulting in their sales being Down. This placed China at the bargaining table in a very compromised position.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Tom Scully on July 21, 2020, 11:43:38 PM
Der Bleater is threatening to come out daily before the cameras and attempt to "talk his way out of this"!

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He's back: Trump to re-up virus briefings amid lagging polls
https://apnews.com/bfb8402551605ff40d8a16efbd827b92
 · WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump sought to paint a rosier picture of the coronavirus for the nation Tuesday but conceded the pandemic is likely to get worse for a time as he revived his daily briefings with an eye to halting a campaign-season erosion of support as new cases spike across the country....

Any viewer he manages to "change the mind of", cannot have much of a mind, and anyone else receptive to his new round of self-promotion is already a deplorable. Don't call this attraction cult-like behavior? Suggest a more succinct dynamic to explain the attraction than "cult-like"!

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judy_Shelton
Judy Lynn Shelton (born 1953 or 4, age 66 or 67) is an American economic advisor to President Donald Trump.[1] She is known for her advocacy for a return to the gold standard and for her criticisms of the Federal Reserve.[2][3][4] Trump announced on July 2, 2019, that he would nominate Shelton to the Fed, and her nomination is currently pending in the Senate.[5][6][7]....

...Politics..... In 2000, she advocated for open borders with Mexico.[14]

Views on monetary policy
Shelton is known as a critic of the Federal Reserve.[3][4] She said in 2011 that the Federal Reserve is "almost a rogue agency," and asked whether it could be trusted in having oversight of the dollar.[18] "She has called for a 0% inflation target, contradicting the bank's current 2% target.[19] She has written that a "fundamental question" of economics is "why do we need a central bank?"[20] Shelton has criticized the Federal Reserve's longstanding policy of independence from the White House, saying in 2019 interview that she saw "no reference to independence" in the Fed's authorizing legislation.[21] Shelton describes herself as "highly skeptical" of the Federal Reserve's "nebulous" dual mandate of maximum employment and price stability. [22]

During the Obama years, she criticized
the Federal Reserve's low interest rates.[23][24][25] During the Trump presidency, she advocated for the Federal Reserve to adopt lower interest rates as a form of economic stimulus. (Trump frequently criticized the Federal Reserve for not lowering interest rates.)[2][23][26] She supports the Republican Party's Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, and the Trump administration's deregulative agenda.[4] Before Trump became president, she was a longtime advocate for free trade, but after he became president, she supported his administration's trade war with China.[4][14]

Shelton opposes federal deposit insurance. In her 1994 book "Money Meltdown," she writes that "Eliminating federal deposit insurance would restore the essential character of banking as a vehicle for channeling financial capital into productive investment while striving to meet the risk and timing preference of depositors.[27]

Shelton is a long-time proponent of pegging the value of the dollar to gold.[28] In 2019, she said that she hoped for a new Bretton Woods-style conference where countries would agree to return to the gold standard, saying, "If it takes place at Mar-a-Lago that would be great."[29] Mar-a-Lago is a club run by President Trump.

Shelton supports a highly integrated financial system, including a global common currency[30] and a universal gold reserve bank.[31]

Nomination to Federal Reserve
On July 3, 2019, President Donald Trump used his Twitter account to announce his intention to nominate Shelton and a regional Fed official, Christopher Waller, to the Federal Reserve board. His previous nominees, former presidential contender Herman Cain and economic commentator Stephen Moore, had withdrawn for lack of Senate support.[15][32] During the months in which Shelton was being considered for the post by Trump, she was a guest at Trump's D.C. hotel.[15]...

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/house-conservatives-challenge-rep-liz-cheney-question-her-loyalty-to-trump/2020/07/21/4a4c115c-cb71-11ea-b0e3-d55bda07d66a_story.html
PowerPost
House conservatives challenge Rep. Liz Cheney, question her loyalty to Trump

https://www.businessinsider.com/matt-gaetz-donald-trump-jr-criticize-rep-liz-cheney-2020-7?IR=T
Matt Gaetz and Donald Trump Jr. attack top House Republican Liz Cheney as insufficiently loyal to Trump
Grace Panetta 4 hours ago
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  Why do you believe last year China had such a Horrible Economic year? Trump knew what he was doing with his tariffs driving the prices of China products UP resulting in their sales being Down. This placed China at the bargaining table in a very compromised position.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/07/13/president-trump-has-made-more-than-20000-false-or-misleading-claims/
Fact Checker - Analysis
President Trump has made more than 20,000 false or misleading claims
By Glenn Kessler, Salvador Rizzo and Meg Kelly
July 13, 2020 at 3:00 a.m. EDT

It took President Trump 827 days to top 10,000 false and misleading claims in The Fact Checker’s database, an average of 12 claims a day.

But on July 9, just 440 days later, the president crossed the 20,000 mark — an average of 23 claims a day over a 14-month period,
....The coronavirus pandemic has spawned a whole new genre of Trump’s falsehoods. The category in just a few months has reached nearly 1,000 claims, more than his tax claims combined. Trump’s false or misleading claims about the impeachment investigation — and the events surrounding it — contributed almost 1,200 entries to the database.

The notion that Trump would exceed 20,000 claims before he finished his term appeared ludicrous when The Fact Checker started this project during the president’s first 100 days in office. In that time, Trump averaged fewer than five claims a day, which would have added up to about 7,000 claims in a four-year presidential term. But the tsunami of untruths just keeps looming larger and larger.
...
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Tom Scully on July 21, 2020, 11:48:05 PM
  Why do you believe last year China had such a Horrible Economic year? Trump knew what he was doing with his tariffs driving the prices of China products UP resulting in their sales being Down. This placed China at the bargaining table in a very compromised position.

The most troubling symptom you present is rigid refusal to respond to suggestions you seek an evaluation of your emotional and associated state of health. The cruelty driven by total absence of empathy is to your own state of health akin to a dog chasing its tail, except the dog has one advantage you do not. The dog's tail is not guarded by a culted coterie of sycophants, and the SS ! It is only going to get worse for you, unless you pursue an evaluation.

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7.Psychiatrist: Trump Became The Same ‘Sadistic, Tyrannical And Cruel’ Person His Father Was
Dr. Lance Dodes, retired Assistant Clinical Professor of Psychiatry at Harvard Medical School, joins Lawrence O’Donnell to react to the revelations in Mary Trump’s tell-all book and explain why her description of Donald Trump as a sadist is “consistent with everything we know about him.”
https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=CBqr0_1595178467
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https://reason.com/2020/01/07/2-new-studies-show-trumps-tariffs-have-been-costly-for-u-s-consumers-and-businesses/
New Studies Show Trump's Tariffs Have Been Costly For U.S. Consumers and Businesses
"These U.S. tariffs have been completely passed on to U.S. firms and consumers," report economists from Princeton, Columbia, and the Federal Reserve.
ERIC BOEHM | 1.7.2020 10:45 AM
...The trio of researchers—from the Federal Reserve, Princeton, and Columbia, respectively—note that this finding is somewhat surprising because tariffs typically have the consequence of forcing foreign producers to lower prices in order to stay competitive in an environment where those goods are subject to import taxes. But that hasn't happened despite the Trump administration's five waves of new tariffs on goods imported from China. The average U.S. tariff has increased from 1.6 percent to 5.4 percent since the trade war with China really got rolling in July 2018, but "the tariffs do not appear to be affecting foreign export prices," the trio of economists conclude.

That directly contradicts the message that Trump and his allies have been sending
since the trade war began. Peter Navarro, Trump's top economic adviser, for example, has stubbornly maintained the fantasy that "China is bearing the entire burden of the tariffs," even when confronted with data suggesting exactly the opposite.

Amiti, Redding, and Weinstein note that the first few months of tariff data could have been misleading for a number of reasons. ..
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 21, 2020, 11:48:59 PM
   The above is a Perfect Example as to why Trump Supporters do Not Respond to SURVEYS.  All they get is Targeted!
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Tom Scully on July 22, 2020, 12:09:57 AM
   The above is a Perfect Example as to why Trump Supporters do Not Respond to SURVEYS.  All they get is Targeted!

Is there a deplorable "manual" instructing the way all cult members respond, or not, to surveys? What else are you ALL instructed to do, or not do, or say?

Or, does Trump possess the only copy of that "owner's manual"?
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 22, 2020, 12:23:54 AM
   The above is a Perfect Example as to why Trump Supporters do Not Respond to SURVEYS.  All they get is Targeted!

You NEVER, EVER answer questions. Ever. How is it possible you know less about economics than you do polling! No doubt about it, 4th grade WAS the best 3 years of your life. You’re from Arkansas, home to Wal-mart. 70-80% of Wal-mart merchandise is MADE in China. No different at Target, Costco. That 70-80% figure is FROM Wal-mart themselves, one Chad Holcomb @ Wal-mart. Trumps ties, his campaign merchandise ALL made in China. In 2019, the growth in real gross domestic product (GDP) in China amounted to about 6.1 percent versus 2.3 percent in America. Forecasts by the IMF expect a decline in GDP growth to 1.1 percent in 2020 due to the coronavirus COVID-19 pandemic, and GDP growth of 9.2 percent in 2021. Not to mention Job creation was 23% faster in the three years before Trump took office (8.1 million total) than the first 3 years of the Trump Administration (6.6 million total) through January 2020. Who the f—k do you counsel? Caddies?
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 22, 2020, 12:26:11 AM
  Why do you believe last year China had such a Horrible Economic year? Trump knew what he was doing with his tariffs driving the prices of China products UP resulting in their sales being Down. This placed China at the bargaining table in a very compromised position.

GDP grew 6.1% China, 2019. America 2.3%. You lie AGAIN. And AGAIN. And AGAIN.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 22, 2020, 01:56:41 AM
Trump's disdain regarding Foreign Trade Partners has Never been restricted to China. Many HATERS around here have forgotten about Trump railing during the 2016 Campaign regarding NAFTA/MEXICO. Trump's canceling of the NAFTA SHAFTA led to the current agreement along with the cooperation of Mexico's current Pres to place Their forces on the USA/Mexico border in order to restore order there. Trump put the screws to China which led to the current China Agreement Phase. China was brought to their knees after suffering there Worst economic year outta the last 65 years. This USA economic dominance has also been leveraged by Trump to dominate these same countries militarily. Foreign Trade/Policy is a Landslide Winning Issue for Trump 2020.

"NOBODY", Repeat "NOBODY" pays 18% Extra $$, or any Extra $$  for a Chinese Made Product if they BUY AMERICAN made products.


Why do you believe last year China had such a Horrible Economic year? Trump knew what he was doing with his tariffs driving the prices of China products UP resulting in their sales being Down. This placed China at the bargaining table in a very compromised position.


This forum really needs to make sure credible information is being posted instead of blatant disinformation and propaganda like Royell posts each day. This is ridiculous and gives the forum a bad name.

Donald Trump was played by China and his bogus tariffs crushed farmers all across America and gave the United States a recession. Manufacturing went into a recession last September and we entered into a recession in February due to his failed trade deals and disastrous foreign policy.     

American consumers paid more for goods made in China and that is a fact. Due to the bogus tariffs, the economy and GDP slowed and no "screws were put to China". China told Donald Trump to go to hell and they did business with other countries instead. The tariffs did nothing except screw the United States.The US under Donald Trump is not looked up to as a strong nation. We are regarded as weak and other countries have taken the lead.

Donald Trump's NAFTA is a joke. Changed a few lines in the language and pretended he came up with something new. Just a ploy for the right wing sheep so they think he did something.       

Donald Trump was begging China to make a trade deal so he could claim he did something for the election. He is a weak man.

Donald Trump refused to hold China accountable for COVID-19 and "took them at their word" in January, February, March because he thought he was going to get a favorable trade deal. Donald Trump got played again and as a result 145K dead Americans, 4 million infected, and 51 million are unemployed. Donald Trump is losing in a landslide and Royell is delusional as usual parroting right wing propaganda lies.         
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 22, 2020, 02:05:37 AM
Strange seeing some on this Forum questioning the "mental fitness" of Trump, and then GO OFF Branding/Shunning Trump Supporters as being Racists, Homophobes, Zenowhatevers, etc. One of You last night went off like a Volcano saying You wanted to SPIT on Me. And YOU want to question Trump's "Mental fitness"?  Get a Mirror!

Trump is in serious cognitive decline. We see it everyday where he slurs words, is confused, he is feeble, his voice is weak, can't walk, uses 2 hands to drink water, out of breath when speaking, sweats profusely,  is forgetful, and we see his poor health just by looking at his face in pictures. Top Medical experts say Trump is mentally unfit to be President. What is your point of this rant trying to play the victim?       

Trump's deplorable cult are racists. Trump is endorsed by the Klan, neo Nazi's, white supremacists and nationalists. What's your point?   
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Joffrey van de Wiel on July 22, 2020, 02:29:51 AM


145K dead Americans, 4 million infected, and 51 million are unemployed.       

Christ, it is even worse than I thought  :(

Our Health Department just released a statement saying COVID-19 cases are on the rise again after His Majesty's Government turned back some of the lockdown and social distancing regulations. There is talk of a vaccine but it hasn't been tested yet I think.

I hope y'all stay safe, LN & CT alike. Keep your distance, wear a mask, wash your hands often. 
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 22, 2020, 02:34:32 AM
Trump vs. Biden: What two key polls tell us about the presidential race

Reliable surveys show Biden with steady lead

By Stuart Rothenberg
Posted July 21, 2020 at 12:22pm

ANALYSIS | Like other political analysts, I look at most national (and state) polls.

There are a few national surveys I don’t watch — Rasmussen and The Hill/HarrisX, for example — but I will look at the toplines and often the crosstabs of most other surveys. Some surveys get my full attention.

There are a lot of professionally done polls out there, but over the years, I haven’t been hesitant to offer particularly kind words about the NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll and the Fox News poll. They tend not to jump around wildly, which is fine with me since, barring a dramatic event, I don’t think public opinion jumps around wildly.

Anyway, I thought I’d focus on the top-lines of just those two polls to see what they might say about the presidential contest. My goal is to test the title of the July 20 edition of The Washington Post’s “The Daily 202” — “Biden’s lead is tighter than it seems.”

“The presidential campaign remains closer than top-line polling numbers suggest,” begins the piece.

There have been six Fox News polls and five NBC News/Wall Street Journal surveys since late February, before COVID-19 grabbed all our attention. Here are the dates and the margins in the Joe Biden vs. Donald Trump ballot tests among registered voters:

Fox News polls
July 12-15            Biden +8
June 13-16            Biden +12
May 17-20            Biden +8
April 4-7                Tied
March 21-24         Biden +9
February 23-26    Biden +8
NBC News/Wall Street Journal
July 9-12              Biden +11
May 28-June 2    Biden +7
April 13-15          Biden +7
March 11-13        Biden +9
February 14-17    Biden +8

First, one poll jumps out. The April 4-7 Fox News poll found the presidential race even, with both candidates getting 42 percent of the vote.

No other survey conducted around the same time showed the same movement or change in the race. Quinnipiac University (April 2-6) found Biden ahead by 8 points, while CNN (April 3-6) had the margin at 11. Monmouth University (April 3-7) had Biden ahead by 4 points, not much different than the 3-point lead it gave him in March.

What’s with that Fox News poll? The answer is pretty simple. The Fox early April survey was a clunker. Throw it out. It’s no big deal. It doesn’t undermine the credibility of other Fox News polls.

Every pollster has had a poll outside the margin of error, which is why professional political analysts warn about overly hyping one poll. As long as we treat the April Fox survey as a clunker and don’t draw conclusions from it, we can move on.

The other five Fox News and five NBC News/Wall Street Journal polls tell an interesting story.

First, the race seems very stable. Voters aren’t surging to one candidate and then back to the other.

Fox had an uptick in the margin in June and NBC News/Wall Street Journal had one in its most recent poll. But these movements are well within the normal “noise” of a campaign, and it is possible that the June Fox News survey and the July NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll reflect a worsening position for Trump.

Second, the presidential contest has been and still looks to be in the 7 to 10-point range — three, four or possibly even five times larger than the 2.1-point margin Hillary Clinton had in winning the popular vote almost four years ago.

Recent ABC News/Washington Post and Quinnipiac surveys of registered voters found the presidential contest had blown open, with Biden leading Trump by 15 points. But both of those surveys are at the upper end of the range of recent polls. Count me as skeptical that they offer the best picture of where the race now stands.

The RealClearPolitics average as of July 15 polls found Biden leading by 8.6 points — exactly in the middle of the 7- to 10-point range that the NBC News/Wall Street Journal and Fox News surveys suggested.

None of this tells us anything about the electoral votes, except for the fact that it is unlikely — very unlikely — that a candidate could lose the popular vote by eight points and still win 270 electoral votes.

It is a good reminder, however, that if you are going to believe every number that you see, including that Biden is leading by 15 points, then maybe you need a warning by the always insightful Daily 202 writer James Hohmann that the presidential race is “closer than top-line polling numbers suggest.”

But if you keep your eye on the best polls and on the averages, you won’t need to be warned that the race is not already over.

You’ll know that Biden’s 7- to 10-point advantage is both remarkably stable over the long haul and nothing to be sneezed at. And you’ll also be waiting for the next round of surveys to look for clues about the future.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 22, 2020, 02:38:19 AM
  Without slogging through the GDP Impact of China devaluing their currency numerous times, Over HALF of Walmart Gross Sales are GROCERY. Walmart is NOT Importing Grocery Product from China = those buying groceries at Walmart are NOT Paying the Trump 18% China Import Tax. Stop with your misleading  BS:
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 22, 2020, 02:44:28 AM

  The absolutely, without a doubt, it's a Lock, Best Survey = an EXIT SURVEY. Of course, Most of us KNOW the 2016 POTUS Election EXIT SURVEYS were way, way, way, off base. If these same sources are incapable of getting an EXIT SURVEY Correct, why should Anyone believe Any Survey they proffer Prior to an Election?
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 22, 2020, 02:50:16 AM
  The absolutely, without a doubt, it's a Lock, Best Survey = an EXIT SURVEY. Of course, Most of us KNOW the 2016 POTUS Election EXIT SURVEYS were way, way, way, off base. If these same sources are incapable of getting an EXIT SURVEY Correct, why should Anyone believe Any Survey they proffer Prior to an Election?

Roflmao. You STILL don’t understand polling. ASTOUNDING.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 22, 2020, 03:08:26 AM
  Without slogging through the GDP Impact of China devaluing their currency numerous times, Over HALF of Walmart Gross Sales are GROCERY. Walmart is NOT Importing Grocery Product from China = those buying groceries at Walmart are NOT Paying the Trump 18% China Import Tax. Stop with your misleading  BS:

Groceries? groceries? Wal-mart BUYS 70-80% of their MERCHANDISE from China. Costco, Target, same. The lunatic in the WH has bought 8 tons of China produced merchandise for his business interests in America the past 10 months while telling Americans “buy American”. You don’t comment on that criminality. You should be deported. You’re a disgrace to America, no different than YOUR moron in D.C. You lie EVERYDAY with the same ease.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 22, 2020, 03:19:53 AM
  The  ranting and raving being displayed is a prime example of "Trump Derangement Syndrome". Forgive him for he knows Not what he does.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 22, 2020, 03:25:29 AM
  The  ranting and raving being displayed is a prime example of "Trump Derangement Syndrome". Forgive him for he knows Not what he does.

Anymore imbecilic comments to come?
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 22, 2020, 03:34:07 AM
  Trump was asked and has agreed to send 150 Homeland Security Agents into Chi Town. Carnage in the streets again tonight there. The Law & Order candidate continues to Stand Tall.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 22, 2020, 03:40:04 AM
  Trump was asked and has agreed to send 150 Homeland Security Agents into Chi Town. Carnage in the streets again tonight there. The Law & Order candidate continues to Stand Tall.

Will never surpass the carnage to America and our constitution the past 3 1/2 years. It ends November 3rd.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 22, 2020, 03:43:11 AM

  Dem Run Cities across this country continue turning into A modern day Capone's Chicago. Trump gonna clean it All up, and be rewarded for his Actions on Nov 3.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 22, 2020, 03:45:13 AM
I asked;

Anymore imbecilic comments to come?

It seems the answer is; Yes
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 22, 2020, 03:49:29 AM
Christ, it is even worse than I thought  :(

Our Health Department just released a statement saying COVID-19 cases are on the rise again after His Majesty's Government turned back some of the lockdown and social distancing regulations. There is talk of a vaccine but it hasn't been tested yet I think.

I hope y'all stay safe, LN & CT alike. Keep your distance, wear a mask, wash your hands often.

On 7/6 it was 3,376,482 infected
Today it is 4,028,569

Goes up fast when every major city has numbers record breaking numbers and hundreds of thousands of people are infected each day.

That's the problem with this virus, as soon as lockdowns are eased up a major outbreak occurs. The problem here is that the virus was never under control and states opened everything up again. Then you have the cult that refuse to wear masks that contribute to spreading the virus.

What are the numbers you are seeing?

Thanks and you too.       
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 22, 2020, 03:50:48 AM
  17 people shot, at least 60 rounds fired in downtown Chicago. Trump being called in to Fix it. Dem Mayors/Govs are setting their citizenry up to be shooting gallery material. And Fuzzy Joe wants to take away people's guns? It's issues like this that will propel Trump to Re-Election.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 22, 2020, 03:51:32 AM
The POTUS rather than sitting down in the Oval office and addressing ALL Americans in a calm reassuring manner as a REAL leader would do, incites further tensions and anxieties by sending his Nazi’s or federal protection service members into our cities. Essentially, these are civilian contractors. One could call them mercenaries. This is Trump’s vision of America. Nuance? Balance? He cannot spell those words. Being provocative and aggressive is all he knows. Ignore the constitution. He’s showing off for his base. The ignorance is staggering.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 22, 2020, 03:52:01 AM
Dem Run Cities across this country continue turning into A modern day Capone's Chicago. Trump gonna clean it All up, and be rewarded for his Actions on Nov 3.

Like I said before, this is a right wing extremist organized effort to attack major cities with violence. Everybody knows what they're doing and Donald Trump is going to lose in a massive landslide.   

Civil War 2.0? The “Boogaloo” Movement Is A Wake-Up Call For America

https://www.forbes.com/sites/sethcohen/2020/06/16/civil-war-20-the-boogaloo-movement-is-a-wake-up-call-for-america/#f4bbd0471abe

Inside Minnesota's Boogaloo movement: Armed and eager for societal collapse

https://www.startribune.com/inside-minnesota-s-boogaloo-movement-armed-and-eager-for-societal-collapse/571821151/

Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 22, 2020, 03:53:03 AM
  17 people shot, at least 60 rounds fired in downtown Chicago. Trump being called in to Fix it. Dem Mayors/Govs are setting their citizenry up to be shooting gallery material. And Fuzzy Joe wants to take away people's guns? It's issues like this that will propel Trump to Re-Election.

Right wing propagandist

'Boogaloo' on the loose: Experts warn Congress about extremism on the right

https://news.yahoo.com/boogaloo-on-the-loose-experts-warn-congress-about-extremism-on-the-right-195350624.html
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 22, 2020, 03:58:57 AM

  Right wing, left or middle doesn't matter. Ma & Pa Kettles are being killed and wounded in these Dem Run Cities from coast-to-coast. The "Law & Order" candidate will step forward and clean this up while Fuzzy Joe hides in his basement. Easy choice to make on Nov 3.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 22, 2020, 04:02:29 AM
Right wing, left or middle doesn't matter. Ma & Pa Kettles are being killed and wounded in these Dem Run Cities from coast-to-coast. The "Law & Order" candidate will step forward and clean this up while Fuzzy Joe hides in his basement. Easy choice to make on Nov 3.

People are dying from COVID-19 because an orange SOB refused to protect Americans. This A-hole is going to lose in a massive landslide. 

Congress Just Got an Earful About the Threat of the Boogaloo Movement
Thursday’s hearing was the first time it’s been discussed publicly by Congress, and experts warned they need to act now with more oversight.


https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/z3eqbx/congress-just-got-an-earful-about-the-threat-of-the-boogaloo-movement

Republican rats are slowly abandoning ship as Trump looks doomed in November
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/07/republican-rats-are-slowly-abandoning-ship-as-trump-looks-doomed-in-november-conservative/

We've waited for 142,000 lives CNN anchor slams Trump for only promising a plan
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/07/weve-waited-for-142000-lives-cnn-anchor-slams-trump-for-only-now-promising-a-plan/

Trump’s lies are killing his supporters as the coronavirus starts to sweep rural America
Salon | 04-19

https://www.newsbreak.com/news/1549837646570/trumps-lies-are-killing-his-supporters-as-the-coronavirus-starts-to-sweep-rural-america

Trump is killing his own supporters' – even White House insiders know it

A plague is raging and the president is leaving the heartlands and blue-collar voters exposed. This could be the endgame
4/5/20
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/05/trump-is-killing-his-own-supporters-coronavirus-covid-19
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 22, 2020, 04:03:52 AM
Benjamin Franklin:  Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 22, 2020, 04:08:50 AM

   This is Why you need to FUND THE POLICE. Not Divert/DEFUND The Police like Fuzzy Joe wants to. Issue after Issue after Issue makes Trump an easy choice come Nov.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Tim Nickerson on July 22, 2020, 04:18:34 AM
Right wing propagandist

'Boogaloo' on the loose: Experts warn Congress about extremism on the right

https://news.yahoo.com/boogaloo-on-the-loose-experts-warn-congress-about-extremism-on-the-right-195350624.html

“The facts are right now that right-wing extremism is the bigger problem. That’s where the violence is coming from,” said Heidi Beirich, the recent co-founder of the Global Project Against Hate and Extremism (https://www.rt.com/op-ed/494198-youtube-trump-biden-hate-ads/) and former director of the Southern Poverty Law Center’s (https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/08/17/southern-poverty-law-center-hate-groups-scam-column/2022301001/) Intelligence Project,


Experts. Let us all bow down to the experts in extortion.

Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 22, 2020, 04:24:19 AM
This is Why you need to FUND THE POLICE. Not Divert/DEFUND The Police like Fuzzy Joe wants to. Issue after Issue after Issue makes Trump an easy choice come Nov.

Quit repeatedly lying. Royell needs to be put on moderation for posting blatant lies in every post. This is an outright lie. Biden does not want to defund the police. Chris Wallace exposed Trump as a liar.

Joe Biden did not call for defunding the police
https://apnews.com/afs:Content:9083703494

Joe Biden Declares Definitively, "I Do Not Support Defunding Police"
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/06/10/joe-biden-declares-definitively-i-do-not-support-defunding-police/#63255fbaeab9

Trump’s False, Recurring Claim About Biden’s Stance on Police
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/07/trumps-false-recurring-claim-about-bidens-stance-on-police/

Trump Interrupts Interview to Prove Biden Wants to Defund Police. It Did Not Go Well
President Trump’s false accusation that Joe Biden wants to defund the police took an embarrassing turn during a Fox News interview

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-interrupts-interview-biden-defund-police-1030683/
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 22, 2020, 04:26:44 AM

“The facts are right now that right-wing extremism is the bigger problem. That’s where the violence is coming from,” said Heidi Beirich, the recent co-founder of the Global Project Against Hate and Extremism (https://www.rt.com/op-ed/494198-youtube-trump-biden-hate-ads/) and former director of the Southern Poverty Law Center’s (https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/08/17/southern-poverty-law-center-hate-groups-scam-column/2022301001/) Intelligence Project,


Experts. Let us all bow down to the experts in extortion.

Says the guy who said "Curveball" didn't lie about "weapons of mass destruction" to go to war in Iraq.  :D 
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 22, 2020, 04:29:29 AM
  Chicago Blowing Up and You wanna run away from Fuzzy Joe having said he wanted to Divert Police funding. Joe started then doing his Tap Dance once 2 Huge Cop Unions  endorsed Trump. This is what you get outta Fuzzy. Tap Dances and Mumbling. He has stood for Nothing for close to 50 years in DC.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 22, 2020, 04:31:51 AM
  Chicago Blowing Up and You wanna run away from Fuzzy Joe having said he wanted to Divert Police funding. Joe started then doing his Tap Dance once 2 Huge Cop Unions  endorsed Trump. This is what you get outta Fuzzy. Tap Dances and Mumbling. He has stood for Nothing for close to 50 years in DC.

This guy is just an attention troll who continues to post lies after he's been refuted. He should be banned. 

It was proven Joe Biden does not want to defund the police and Royell keeps posting this same lie in every post. 


Joe Biden did not call for defunding the police
https://apnews.com/afs:Content:9083703494

Joe Biden Declares Definitively, "I Do Not Support Defunding Police"
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/06/10/joe-biden-declares-definitively-i-do-not-support-defunding-police/#63255fbaeab9

Trump’s False, Recurring Claim About Biden’s Stance on Police
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/07/trumps-false-recurring-claim-about-bidens-stance-on-police/

Trump Interrupts Interview to Prove Biden Wants to Defund Police. It Did Not Go Well
President Trump’s false accusation that Joe Biden wants to defund the police took an embarrassing turn during a Fox News interview

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-interrupts-interview-biden-defund-police-1030683/
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 22, 2020, 04:40:03 AM

   Stop your Crying and take your beating like a Man. You babble around here far more than anyone else and then cry when you get your hat handed to you. Either get better or get used to it.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 22, 2020, 04:44:45 AM
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author=Royell Storing link=topic=2644.msg94802#msg94802 date=1595389203]
 Stop your Crying and take your beating like a Man. You babble around here far more than anyone else and then cry when you get your hat handed to you. Either get better or get used to it.

You make a fool of yourself in EVERY post.  :D :D :D

But the blatant lies you post is what shouldn't be allowed because it damages the forum credibility. 


Twitter bans 7,000 QAnon accounts, limits 150,000 others as part of broad crackdown
The company will classify QAnon as coordinated harmful activity in part because of a rise in harassment targeting high-profile critics of the president.


https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/twitter-bans-7-000-qanon-accounts-limits-150-000-others-n1234541
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 22, 2020, 04:47:04 AM
  Chicago Blowing Up and You wanna run away from Fuzzy Joe having said he wanted to Divert Police funding. Joe started then doing his Tap Dance once 2 Huge Cop Unions  endorsed Trump. This is what you get outta Fuzzy. Tap Dances and Mumbling. He has stood for Nothing for close to 50 years in DC.

While Trump for 50 years has stood for grabbing women by the pussy. Conning old people out of their money at Trump U. Setting up a foundation used as an expense account. Robbing small biz owners and not paying agreed contracts and being sued 6,000 times. Having such poor credit American banks wouldn’t touch him after Atlantic City. And next year $330 million comes due to Deutsche bank and he doesn’t have the money. A conman. A grifter. A reality tv salesmen. America has had enough. He’s out.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 22, 2020, 04:53:23 AM

  Much like a Gang or a Cult, you guys are real brave when you are all together. Stand Alone? You do Not stand a chance and are forced to Whine.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 22, 2020, 05:07:24 AM
While Trump for 50 years has stood for grabbing women by the pussy. Conning old people out of their money at Trump U. Setting up a foundation used as an expense account. Robbing small biz owners and not paying agreed contracts and being sued 6,000 times. Having such poor credit American banks wouldn’t touch him after Atlantic City. And next year $330 million comes due to Deutsche bank and he doesn’t have the money. A conman. A grifter. A reality tv salesmen. America has had enough. He’s out.

Trump ripped for trying to steer the British Open to his Turnberry resort: ‘The whole presidency is one long grift’

President Donald Trump was harshly criticized on Tuesday after a bombshell new report in The New York Times.

“The ambassador’s deputy, Lewis A. Lukens, advised him not to do it, warning that it would be an unethical use of the presidency for private gain, these people said,” reported Mark Landler, Lara Jakes, and Maggie Haberman. “But Mr. Johnson apparently felt pressured to try. A few weeks later, he raised the idea of Turnberry playing host to the Open with the secretary of state for Scotland, David Mundell.”

Noah Bookbinder, the executive director of Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW), blasted Trump.

Our ambassador, at President Trump's urging, reportedly asked the British government to steer the British Open to Trump's club. Hard to think of a better example of using the presidency for personal gain in ways that could affect international relations.

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/07/trump-ripped-for-trying-to-steer-the-british-open-to-his-turnberry-resort-the-whole-presidency-is-one-long-grift/
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 22, 2020, 05:16:56 AM


   Trump cleaning up Portland with Chicago next up and You guys wantta talk about Golf? This is where You are at. Avoiding the obvious. You are supporting a candidate that is on the Wrong Side of Every Single Important Issue. Guns, funding the Police, Stopping the Rioting in Dem run cities, holding China accountable for Corona, etc. You have Every Reason to be Nervous. 4 More Years of Trump!
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Tim Nickerson on July 22, 2020, 05:34:02 AM
Says the guy who said "Curveball" didn't lie about "weapons of mass destruction" to go to war in Iraq.  :D

I never said that, ya dimbulb!
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 22, 2020, 05:40:10 AM
  Much like a Gang or a Cult, you guys are real brave when you are all together. Stand Alone? You do Not stand a chance and are forced to Whine.

And yet 5 times I’ve challenged you to debate one on one. You have neither the intellect, the education, the experience nor the confidence to do so, so...you run, you hide, you divert, you disappear. I know it. You know it. Every day you lie, your words are diminished. You’re inconsequential. You cannot discuss facts. You don’t know any. So fuck off, nobody wants you here.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 22, 2020, 05:46:28 AM
I never said that, ya dimbulb!


Yes, you did and you were Proven wrong. 

Report: 'Curveball' Admits For First Time That He Lied About Iraq's WMD

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2011/02/15/133774134/report-curveball-admits-for-first-time-that-he-lied-about-iraqs-wmd
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 22, 2020, 05:52:52 AM
Trump cleaning up Portland with Chicago next up and You guys wantta talk about Golf? This is where You are at. Avoiding the obvious. You are supporting a candidate that is on the Wrong Side of Every Single Important Issue. Guns, funding the Police, Stopping the Rioting in Dem run cities, holding China accountable for Corona, etc. You have Every Reason to be Nervous. 4 More Years of Trump!

Donald Trump isn't cleaning up anything. He is a failure who lied about COVID-19 and 4 million people are sick because of him. 145K are dead and 51 million are unemployed. He never held China accountable for COVID-19. He said he trusts them and did nothing. He is going to lose in a massive landslide. Royell is a propagandist and everything he claims is the complete opposite.       

Right wingers were nervous and knew they were going to lose back in April :D

Nervous Republicans see Trump sinking, and taking Senate with him
His recent remarks about combating the virus with sunlight and disinfectant were a breaking point for a number of senior party officials


https://www.boston.com/news/politics/2020/04/26/nervous-republicans-see-trump-sinking-and-taking-senate-with-him
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 22, 2020, 06:08:10 AM
If the election was held today, Joe Biden would be elected President. It isn't even close. When John Kasich endorses Biden that will give him Ohio. Other Republicans will be coming on board as well to defeat this lunatic. The GOP is scared and have Donald Trump promoting masks after he mocked them. That's how desperate they are. 

(https://electoralvotemap.com/electoralvotemap.png)
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Tim Nickerson on July 22, 2020, 06:41:38 AM

Yes, you did and you were Proven wrong. 

Report: 'Curveball' Admits For First Time That He Lied About Iraq's WMD

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2011/02/15/133774134/report-curveball-admits-for-first-time-that-he-lied-about-iraqs-wmd

I did not, ya dimbulb. Who ties your shoes in the morning?
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Tom Scully on July 22, 2020, 07:20:19 AM

   Trump cleaning up Portland with Chicago next up and You guys wantta talk about Golf? This is where You are at. Avoiding the obvious. You are supporting a candidate that is on the Wrong Side of Every Single Important Issue. Guns, funding the Police, Stopping the Rioting in Dem run cities, holding China accountable for Corona, etc. You have Every Reason to be Nervous. 4 More Years of Trump!

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....2. a device, especially in literary or artistic composition, which gives a sense of artificiality.
"the often tiresome contrivances
of historical fiction"

So.... for you, it's a concern that the unculted majority shrugs off Trump contrivances like the anti-constitutional one you opened with....

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https://www.politico.com/story/2018/08/24/trump-donors-gop-scandal-rnc-midterms-2018-795116
Who cares?’ Donors to Trump, GOP shrug off scandal
Michael Cohen is part of a troika of GOP finance officials felled by scandal this year, but the RNC notched a record-breaking cash haul for July.


By LORRAINE WOELLERT 08/24/2018 05:05 AM EDT Updated 08/24/2018 09:48 AM EDT
Aug 24, 2018 - “The impact of Cohen's guilty plea on RNC fundraising will be infinitesimal, just as the revelations about Steve Wynn and Elliott Broidy have ...

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https://edition.cnn.com/2018/08/13/politics/donald-trump-jeff-sessions-omarosa/index.html
The utter collapse of Donald Trump's 'best people' boast
Aug 13, 2018 - (CNN) As a candidate, Donald Trump would famously boast that if elected, he'd "surround myself only with the best and most serious people" ...

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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/13/world/middleeast/trump-tom-barrack-saudi.html

Who Is Behind Trump’s Links to Arab Princes? A Billionaire Friend
By David D. Kirkpatrick
June 13, 2018

The billionaire financier Tom Barrack was caught in a bind.

....Yet many of the connections facilitated by Mr. Barrack have brought liabilities, too.

The linkages between Mr. Trump and the Saudis and Emiratis have come under new scrutiny. A few months after Mr. Barrack arranged the initial introductions, George Nader, a Lebanese American businessman and a top adviser to the de facto ruler of the U.A.E., met with the candidate’s son Donald Trump Jr. at the Trump headquarters in New York. In that Aug. 3, 2016, meeting, Mr. Nader reported that the rulers of both Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates supported the Trump campaign and offered their assistance, according to people familiar with the discussion.

Such help would have violated campaign laws, and Mr. Nader is now cooperating with the special prosecutor, who is examining that meeting as well as a string of others that followed, according to people familiar the matter.....

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https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/george-nader-child-pornography-charged-trump-843869/
Add Child Porn to Crimes Allegedly Committed by Trump-Affiliated Figures
Businessman George Nader was involved in the Trump transition. He could spend the rest of his life in prison

Jun 3, 2019 - After Trump's election, Nader also worked with a Republican fundraiser and Trump supporter named Elliott Broidy on an elaborate public affairs ...
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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/13/us/politics/elliott-broidy-donald-trump.html
Aug 13, 2019 - Elliott Broidy regained his status among Republicans when he became a major ... of dollars in contracts for his private security and intelligence firm, Circinus. ... But in some of his communications with Mr. Nader, Mr. Broidy ...
....Mr. Broidy’s checkered past and access to Mr. Trump were not unique.

https://www.propublica.org/article/federal-authorities-raided-trump-fundraisers-office-in-money-laundering-probe
Federal Authorities Raided Trump Fundraiser’s Office in Money Laundering Probe
A sealed search warrant obtained by ProPublica shows federal agents scoured Elliott Broidy’s office for documents related to China, Saudi Arabia and a Miami Beach club promoter.
Mar 18, 2019 - Broidy served as a major Trump campaign fundraiser and was the national ... of more than $1 billion in contracts for Broidy's private security company. Hacked communications showed Nader praised Broidy for “how well you ...

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https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/26/politics/george-nader-prison-sentence-mueller/index.html
Witness in the Mueller investigation and informal Trump adviser gets 10 years in prison in child sex case
By Marshall Cohen

Updated 1515 GMT (2315 HKT) June 27, 2020

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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/21/us/politics/george-nader-elliott-broidy-uae-saudi-arabia-white-house-influence.html
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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/19/us/politics/trump-jr-saudi-uae-nader-prince-zamel.html
Trump Jr. and Other Aides Met With Gulf Emissary Offering Help to Win Election
May 19, 2018 - Erik Prince, the private security contractor and the former head of ... The emissary, George Nader, told Donald Trump Jr. that the princes who ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Nader_(businessman)
George Nader (businessman) -
George Aref Nader is a Lebanese-American businessman, lobbyist, and repeat convicted sex ... On August 3, 2016 Nader met with Trump Jr., Erik Prince, and Joel Zamel, an Israeli entrepreneur and specialist in social media manipulation, ...
‎Career · ‎Child sexual abuse

https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1285772584743776256
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https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/ghislaine-maxwell-charged-manhattan-federal-court-conspiring-jeffrey-epstein-sexually

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1285520982648729600
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http://trumpnormal.com
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Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Joffrey van de Wiel on July 22, 2020, 03:04:39 PM
On 7/6 it was 3,376,482 infected
Today it is 4,028,569

Goes up fast when every major city has numbers record breaking numbers and hundreds of thousands of people are infected each day.

That's the problem with this virus, as soon as lockdowns are eased up a major outbreak occurs. The problem here is that the virus was never under control and states opened everything up again. Then you have the cult that refuse to wear masks that contribute to spreading the virus.

What are the numbers you are seeing?

Thanks and you too.     

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What are the numbers you are seeing? 

I depend largely on the numbers given by the World Health Organization. They are for the United States, as updated on July 21st:

- 3,748,248 confirmed cases
- 139,964 deaths
- 62,788 new cases

In my country, with only a fraction of the US population, about 50,000 confirmed cases and 6,000 deaths.

My only other source of information for news about the US is CNN, but the most informative shows air between 2 and 4 a.m. and the hosts (Anderson Cooper, Don Lemon, Chris Cuomo) aren't really objective. I watched an interview with the man in charge of the Task Force, a Dr. Fauchi (sp?). I got the impression he is a clever man. I hope and expect him to turn things around in the US.

Good luck and take care.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 22, 2020, 03:23:00 PM
Biden and Obama tag team on Trump's bungled COVID-19 response: ‘He can’t relate in any way’

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Former President Barack Obama and presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden have teamed up for a new video in which they shred President Donald Trump’s handling of the novel coronavirus pandemic.

In a one-minute clip released on Biden’s YouTube page Wednesday, the former vice president begins by slamming Trump for saying he takes “no responsibility” for handling the pandemic.

“Those words didn’t come out of our mouths,” Obama replied.

Biden went on to say that he was baffled at the way Trump doesn’t seem to understand what the pandemic has done to the country.

“I don’t understand his inability to get a sense of what people are going through,” he said. “He can’t relate in any way.”

“One of the things I have always known about you, Joe, it’s the reason I wanted you to be my vice president, and the reason why you were so effective… it all starts with being able to relate,” Obama told his former VP. “If you can connect those struggles to somebody else’s struggles, then you’re going to work hard for them and that’s what’s always motivated you to be in public service.”

Watch the video below.




Trump to receive his 'daily' intelligence briefing on Wednesday — he’s golfed twice since his last one: report

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The leader of the free world is scheduled to receive an intelligence briefing on Wednesday.

In a normal administration, that would not be news, as previous presidents scheduled daily briefings.

But President Donald Trump prefers watching Fox News or One America New Network to learn about the world, meaning this will be his first briefing in six days according to HuffPost White House correspondent S.V. Dáte.

BREAKING "DAILY" INTELLIGENCE BRIEFING NEWS:

The president HAS one scheduled for tomorrow.

It will be his first in 6 days, and just the third one in the first 22 days of July.

DAILY" INTELLIGENCE BRIEFING UPDATE

JULY

Days in month to date:           21
Scheduled briefings to date:   2

Days in year to date: 203
Scheduled briefings to date:  43

Days since last "daily" intelligence briefing: 5

https://huffpost.com/entry/trump-in

While Trump has only had three intelligence briefings in July, he’s gone to one of his golf courses seven times.

According to Trump Golf Count, Trump has golfed twice since his last briefing.

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/07/trump-to-receive-his-daily-intelligence-briefing-on-wednesday-hes-golfed-twice-since-his-last-one-report/
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 22, 2020, 03:26:54 PM
Yeah you did and everybody in the thread read it. 

I did not, ya dimbulb. Who ties your shoes in the morning?

Dementia

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Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 22, 2020, 03:43:16 PM
Donald Trump's dementia and neurological disorder

A protruding tongue, state of confusion, manic rages are all signs and symptoms of dementia.     

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Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 22, 2020, 03:58:25 PM
During a press conference from the White House on Tuesday, Donald Trump sent his well wishes to Ghislaine Maxwell, and the comments have drawn widespread condemnation. When asked about Maxwell's case, Trump replied, "I just wish her well, frankly. I've met her numerous times over the years. I just wish her well, whatever it is."

Maxwell is facing four counts of sex trafficking and two counts of perjury, stemming from her time as an associate of Jeffrey Epstein. She allegedly helped Epstein groom underage girls for sexual encounters with adults. She has denied the allegations against her. Trump wishing her well during her incarceration and criminal case appear to have really struck a never with many, due to the many pictures that the two of them have posed for together throughout the years. Some Twitter users have been sharing those photos of the president and the disgraced socialite while expressing their thoughts on his statement. Scroll down to see what they are saying.

“I wish her well”. Translation: Keep your mouth shut and prison time will be light.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: John Tonkovich on July 22, 2020, 04:27:54 PM
During a press conference from the White House on Tuesday, Donald Trump sent his well wishes to Ghislaine Maxwell, and the comments have drawn widespread condemnation. When asked about Maxwell's case, Trump replied, "I just wish her well, frankly. I've met her numerous times over the years. I just wish her well, whatever it is."

Maxwell is facing four counts of sex trafficking and two counts of perjury, stemming from her time as an associate of Jeffrey Epstein. She allegedly helped Epstein groom underage girls for sexual encounters with adults. She has denied the allegations against her. Trump wishing her well during her incarceration and criminal case appear to have really struck a never with many, due to the many pictures that the two of them have posed for together throughout the years. Some Twitter users have been sharing those photos of the president and the disgraced socialite while expressing their thoughts on his statement. Scroll down to see what they are saying.

“I wish her well”. Translation: Keep your mouth shut and prison time will be light.
For the record, I have no affiliation with Netflix.
The Netflix documentary about Epstein is fascinating and horrifying. Ghislaine Maxwell ...definitely horrifying. Why would Trump - who uses and then dumps people like a dirty Kleenex - continue to be so supportive of Ms. Maxwell?
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 22, 2020, 04:52:38 PM
For the record, I have no affiliation with Netflix.
The Netflix documentary about Epstein is fascinating and horrifying. Ghislaine Maxwell ...definitely horrifying. Why would Trump - who uses and then dumps people like a dirty Kleenex - continue to be so supportive of Ms. Maxwell?

I believe we know why John. I agree, the Netflix doc was grotesque.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 22, 2020, 05:17:23 PM
Never, ever has there been a POTUS this corrupt. And the GOP says NOTHING. They’re in bed with a whore.

Senator Says Trump's 'Corruption Is Dizzying' After U.K. Golf Claims

BY JAMES WALKER ON 7/22/20 AT 4:14 AM EDT

Senator Patrick Leahy (D-VT) accused President Donald Trump of "dizzying" corruption after a report that the president had asked his ambassador to the U.K. to help steer the British Open golf competition to one of his Scottish resorts.


The Senate Appropriations Committee vice chairman added that "outdated" U.S. anti-corruption laws need an overhaul for both the president and other public officials. Trump has faced numerous allegations of corruption and ethical violations during his tenure.

U.S. Ambassador Robert Johnson told several embassy staff in 2018 that the president wanted him to ask British government officials for their help in getting the British Open held at Trump Turnberry in Ayrshire, Scotland, The New York Times reported.


According to the newspaper, the envoy later mentioned the idea to David Mundell, the former British secretary of state for Scotland. Mundell told the Times it would be "inappropriate" for him to detail his conversation with the ambassador.


Reacting to the report, Sen. Leahy tweeted: "The corruption is dizzying. We need to overhaul our outdated and gutted anti-corruption laws—not just for the President, but for all public officials. I am working on legislation to do just that."


The Vermont Democrat was not the only lawmaker to weigh in. House Intelligence Committee Chairman Rep. Adam Schiff (D-CA) said: "Trump asked England to help him get the lucrative British Open golf tournament played at his resort.

"He begged the Chinese to help his re-election campaign. And he sought to coerce Ukraine into smearing his opponent. And for America? What's in it for us? Absolutely nothing."


 
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 22, 2020, 05:25:23 PM
Trump is Using Us’: Christian Republican Group Warns People Not to Vote For Trump in 2020 Election

A group of Republicans is urging Christians and Republicans to not re-elect Trump in the 2020 presidential election.

According to the Pew Research Center survey in July, White evangelical approval of Trump has slipped, but 8 in 10 say they would still vote for him.

The recent release ad, entitled “Trump is Using Us,” features six Republican voters who talk about how Trump uses and manipulates Christians.

In the minute-long video posted on the Republican Voters Against Trump YouTube channel, the group explains that the president doesn’t reflect Christianity or values based on his words and actions.

One major highlight of the video was the comments Trump made following a violent white nationalist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, in 2017. At the time, he said there were “very fine people on both sides” when talking about protesters and rally-goers.

They also brought up Trump retweeting a man shouting “white power!” on his Twitter page.

Another highlight was Trump’s notorious remarks on grabbing a woman’s genitalia in leaked footage from 2005.

During the video, Republicans Paul and Pat vigorously criticize Trump’s visit to St. John’s Church.

Paul specifically talks about how law enforcement “bludgeoned and gassed peaceful protestors” for Trump’s “ridiculous photo op” holding a Bible in front of the church.

“The moment that he held up that Bible, he revealed this president is using us,” Pat said.

He also added that “Christians have to resist being used to justify things that Jesus would never justify.”

The Republican Christians also highlight biblical principles throughout the ad. One voter named Cheves shares that he was taught the importance of loving our neighbor as ourselves. Another voter named Paul quotes 1 Corinthians 13:4-6, a memorable passage on love.

“Love is patient, love is kind, love does not boast,” Paul says, while Trump is shown saying, “I am the chosen one!”

“Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth,” he said.

“What’s going on now is wrong, and as a Republican, as a Christian, we simply cannot allow this man to be re-elected,” a man named Shawn says as the video concludes.

So far, the video has been viewed over 100,000 times.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: John Tonkovich on July 22, 2020, 06:44:37 PM
I believe we know why John. I agree, the Netflix doc was grotesque.

Trump's " friendships " are always strictly transactional.
So what transaction is Trump engaged in with Ms. Maxwell?

We know that Trump - " Mr. Grab 'em by the P$%&y" - has a history of aggressive behavior towards women, and also a history of infidelity - Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal and Marla Maples.


Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 22, 2020, 06:48:10 PM
  "Judge a Pitcher by the Reaction of the Hitter". The Escalating Hysteria being displayed here means Trump will be re-elected. They Know It!
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: John Tonkovich on July 22, 2020, 07:42:25 PM
  "Judge a Pitcher by the Reaction of the Hitter". The Escalating Hysteria being displayed here means Trump will be re-elected. They Know It!

1,039 deaths yesterday.
Facts. Not "Hysteria".
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 22, 2020, 07:47:22 PM
  "Judge a Pitcher by the Reaction of the Hitter". The Escalating Hysteria being displayed here means Trump will be re-elected. They Know It!

Will bet you $1000.00 right now he does not get re-elected. Money to be deposited into an escrow account. You’re some hot shot “consultant” so it shouldn’t be a problem. Let’s see your degree of confidence. Deal?
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 22, 2020, 07:54:48 PM
Trump's " friendships " are always strictly transactional.
So what transaction is Trump engaged in with Ms. Maxwell?

We know that Trump - " Mr. Grab 'em by the P$%&y" - has a history of aggressive behavior towards women, and also a history of infidelity - Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal and Marla Maples.

Mika Brezinski this morning:

The president giving a hat tip to Ghislaine Maxwell, saying he wishes her well, a woman who is accused of abusing children by his Justice Department. When this president has in the past sent those little messages through his public orations, saying something that then ends up to somebody getting out of jail or being pardoned, or whatever. Okay, Congressional Republicans? I’m just wondering, if I slow down and deliver to you these facts, which are basic, and which would just require you to use your brain and your moral compass and say something and do something. Do you see what is happening? Can you still not see it? Are you going to wait even longer? It will be on you.

Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 22, 2020, 08:24:07 PM
The US election polls and the betting odds are now saying the same thing – punters aren’t backing Donald Trump anymore
James Moore

Donald Trump’s odds of winning the US election are sliding at the rate of a horse found lame in the run up to the Kentucky Derby.

The President’s troubled campaign, his misreading of America’s mood and dismal polling data suggest its only a matter of time before one of the leading bookies offers odds of 2-1, giving him an implied probability of victory of just 33 per cent.

According to Oddschecker, which looks across the market, his Democratic challenger Joe Biden’s price has shortened to 8/13 from 8/11 in just the last week, with his implied probability moving from 57.9 per cent to 61.9 per cent. Trump has drifted from a best price 13/8 (38.1 per cent ) to 7/4 (36.4 per cent).

Until recently the odds have, arguably, been lagging the polls. Biden’s lead has barely shifted in a month, during which time it has been within spitting distance of double digits, per FiveThirtyEight’s tracker.

Such chunky leads are usually subject to erosion over time, but there’s been scant sign of it happening so far. A Dallas Morning News-UT Tyler poll last week even gave the Democrat a five point lead in Texas, a Republican firewall that Trump carried by 9 points last time.

Now they’ve been talking for years about Texas – a state which Trump simply has to win given the 38 votes it carries in the electoral college – turning Democrat blue. Demographically it’s becoming more diverse, with a rapidly-rising Hispanic population. But even though the hard Republican red has been softening, it remains to be seen whether Texas is quite as purple (that is, up for grabs) as the polling suggests.

Numbers like that nonetheless suggest Trump has a mountain to climb.

So far he has taken most of the bets: 54 per cent according to Oddschecker, compared to just 15.8 per cent for Biden. It’s worth noting that the market was open before Biden was locked in as the challenger, yet he’s barely secured more supporters than have “others”. Meanwhile, Paddy Power’s regular biweekly bet count last week showed Trump with 36 per cent of the bets by number and 84 per cent of the volume of money. Kanye West’s 34 per cent bet count indicates a lot of people staking small amounts of money at big prices in the wake of the publicity generated by the rapper’s quixotic entry into the race. Biden, by contrast, was friendless.

Things were different on the Betfair exchange, where punters set the odds and can play bookie by laying other people’s selections. Trump has 59 per cent of its market against Biden’s 31 per cent, with £48.5m matched. But Biden’s market was the more active in July, which is the first time that’s been the case. This suggests that the money is gearing up to move in favour of the Democrat. Wealthy punters have long had a yen for putting very big bets on “sure things” at odds on.

They did that with Hillary Clinton and got badly bruised as a result (including one British MP, who must remain nameless). This time around, however, it may be different.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: John Iacoletti on July 22, 2020, 08:38:26 PM
   Stop your Crying and take your beating like a Man. You babble around here far more than anyone else and then cry when you get your hat handed to you. Either get better or get used to it.

All of this grandstanding and still not a single citation of Biden ever calling for the defunding of police.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 22, 2020, 08:49:58 PM
An assault on our democracy as we’ve never seen before. The GOP remains silent.

The most blatant example of the Trump presidency is happening right now — with the Department of Homeland Security deploying on the streets of American cities (Portland in recent days, perhaps Chicago and elsewhere by next weekend) what The New York Times calls "officials from a group known as BORTAC, the Border Patrol's equivalent of a SWAT team, a highly trained group that normally is tasked with investigating drug smuggling organizations." These federal agents — driving unmarked vans, wearing battle fatigues without badges, lacking training in crowd control, sometimes responding to protesters with violence — sweep up people on the street and lock them in vehicles without arrest or explanation.

It would be one thing if local elected officials had asked for federal help in restoring order. But they haven't. In fact, they've said the opposite — that actions that look an awful lot like the imposition of martial law are making the disorder worse, as more protesters show up to demonstrate against police-state tactics by the feds. But this isn't something that concerns either the president or Chad Wolf, the acting secretary of homeland security, both of whom have declared their intent to continue deploying a quasi-military force against American citizens on the streets of American cities. As Wolf said on Fox News on Monday, "I don't need invitations by the state, state mayors, or state governors to do our job. We're going to do that, whether they like us there or not."

Those words — spoken by an unelected official who, like so many members of the Trump administration, has been appointed by the president in an "acting" capacity in order to circumvent the process of Senate confirmation — should send chills down the spines of every American. But they should also be seen as cover for the true intent of the policy.

One possibility is that the Trump campaign has decided that the president's base will be thrilled by the sight of federal officers dressed in combat fatigues messing with dirty hippies in deep-blue cities like Portland (now a "right-wing boogeyman") and Chicago. But there's another possibility as well — that Trump and his advisers think that provoking protesters to more radical acts of disorder will make the left look more dangerous and thereby enhance the president's re-election prospects.

Which would mean that recent actions by federal agents are intended to provoke the very unrest they've supposedly been deployed to quash.

Trump's problem is that in order to look tough and seem justified in deploying armed agents of the state, he needs a threatening antagonist. He needs the protests to appear out of control. He needs them to be highly disruptive, chaotic, and violent. Yet most of the protests, especially after the riots that faded in late May, have been peaceful. That's why Trump's boldest attempt so far to portray himself as a paragon of law and order — the use of force against peaceful protesters in Lafayette Park outside the White House on June 1 so that the president could stage a photo op and deliver a combative speech on national television — failed so miserably. (Trump’s ongoing polling collapse picked up speed and intensity with that ham-handed stunt.)

Trump's solution to this problem is to provoke the protesters by harassing them lawlessly. It's the real-world equivalent of online trolling — an act intended to bring out the worst in one's opponent in order to get him to act out in a self-defeating way.

The act of deploying military forces trained to combat drug smugglers against citizens exercising their constitutionally protected right to protest would be tyrannical enough. But what makes Trump's actions especially toxic is their intentionally escalatory aim — his effort to drive his opponents to deeds that will necessitate even more drastic measures in response.

Politicians have always known that it's possible to bait the opposition, causing it to overreact and make an unforced error. But such jujitsu is usually a staple of the campaign trail, not something that fundamentally shapes public policy. FDR didn't seek to enact the New Deal to get Republicans to go to the mat for big business during the Great Depression. Ronald Reagan didn't favor cutting upper-income-tax rates so that Democrats would come out in favor of sticking it to entrepreneurs. George W. Bush didn't invade Iraq to get the left to defend the legitimacy of Saddam Hussein's dictatorship. Barack Obama didn't work to pass the Affordable Care Act to make the GOP look like heartless plutocrats.

But Donald Trump is sending federal agents into American cities in order to spark a conflagration with protesters in the hope that the resulting brutal crackdown will make him look like a hero, enable him to win re-election, and allow him to grab even more power in a second term.

It's up to the rest of us to ensure the Trump's bid to spark a crisis that turns him into real-life tyrant ends in failure — like everything else about his appalling presidency.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 22, 2020, 09:37:19 PM

   Snowballs chance. Behind by 15 pts. Gonna lose inna landslide. Won't leave the White House.  "Judge a pitcher based on the reaction of the hitter" is Repeatedly Exhibited throughout this thread.
   Trump "Untouchables" Heading into Chicago. Another Dem run city Soon to be Liberated. Another Dem STATE morphs into the "toss up" column. Where's Fuzzy? Trump 2020 Rolls On!
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 22, 2020, 09:58:18 PM
   Snowballs chance. Behind by 15 pts. Gonna lose inna landslide. Won't leave the White House.  "Judge a pitcher based on the reaction of the hitter" is Repeatedly Exhibited throughout this thread.
   Trump "Untouchables" Heading into Chicago. Another Dem run city Soon to be Liberated. Another Dem STATE morphs into the "toss up" column. Where's Fuzzy? Trump 2020 Rolls On!

You are losing it. Get help.... quickly
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 22, 2020, 10:04:13 PM
I'm watching that hypocrite in the White House whining about people being shot, as if he cares about any of it, but not a word about the 143.000 + covid deaths and even less about gun control measures. What a pathetic loser.....

Let's not forget that all this is happening on his watch.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 22, 2020, 10:37:40 PM
  Trump Liberates the Ma & Pa Kettle's that are trapped inside these Crime Ridden Dem Run cities and receives HATE in return. "Fuzzy" Joe continues doing Claude Rains with his "Invisible Man" routine and these Dem Cronies say Squat. Trump 2020 Rolls On!
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 22, 2020, 10:45:43 PM
  Trump Liberates the Ma & Pa Kettle's that are trapped inside these Crime Ridden Dem Run cities and receives HATE in return. "Fuzzy" Joe continues doing Claude Rains with his "Invisible Man" routine and these Dem Cronies say Squat. Trump 2020 Rolls On!

As I said, you're losing it.... Get help!

You are supporting a Nazi who is employing his SS and Gestapo thugs to create more problems in the cities and he is going way beyond the constitution to do it. No sane person can support or accept such an abuse of power.... But then, sane is a word that's not in your dictionary.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 22, 2020, 11:04:13 PM

   Trump will once again be rewarded by the Ma & Pa Kettles across this country. They appreciate a Man "that says what he means and means what he says". They understand this an extremely RARE trait being continually displayed by 1 Single Man as he Drains-The-Swamp.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 22, 2020, 11:04:31 PM
Philadelphia's Top Prosecutor Is Prepared to Arrest Federal Agents
After Trump said he would send agents to more cities, Philly’s district attorney lays out how he might criminally charge federal officers.


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-07-22/philly-d-a-threatens-to-arrest-federal-agents
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 22, 2020, 11:10:11 PM
The backlash has already started as many Republicans and Libertarians are outraged at Donald Trump's phony political stunt. He is a desperate man  and his authoritarian rule is moving even more Republicans away even faster.

We spent the last few days registering thousands of new voters who will be voting for Joe Biden to vote out this wannabe authoritarian dictator who has destroyed America. 

Many angry Republicans are leaving the party and more will be endorsing Biden.


Romney Questions Future of Republican Party

Sen. Mitt Romney (R-UT) says he doesn’t know where the Republican Party is headed as the president cozies up to dictators, and character doesn’t seem to matter in leaders anymore, the Deseret News reports.

Said Romney: “I have no idea what’s going to happen with my party. I represent a very small slice of my party. The party has taken a different course. My party was very strong anti-dictators, anti-authoritarian leaders, anti people like Kim Jung Un and Vladimir Putin, and now the party seems to be more comfortable with people like that.”

He added: “I don’t know where my party goes. I have to be honest with you in that regard.”
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 22, 2020, 11:12:24 PM
  Another "WINNING, WINNING, WINNING" Issue for Trump. Trump = "Law & Order" wins in Nov. The Dem's are currently Melting Down as they see Trump pulling away from "Fuzzy" Joe currently curled up in a Ball inside his basement. Trump 2020 Rolls On!
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 22, 2020, 11:13:36 PM

  Yeah, that Libertarian Vote is CRUCIAL in Nov.  HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 22, 2020, 11:15:17 PM
  Trump Liberates the Ma & Pa Kettle's that are trapped inside these Crime Ridden Dem Run cities and receives HATE in return. "Fuzzy" Joe continues doing Claude Rains with his "Invisible Man" routine and these Dem Cronies say Squat. Trump 2020 Rolls On!

Pinhead? You run and cower. I bet you $1000.00. You have no where to hide. No confidence in Trump. Admit it or accept my wager....little boy. Everybody’s watching. Biden is likely running the smartest campaign in American political history. He doesn’t have to say a word or even appear. Each time the lunatic in the WH opens his mouth he falls further behind. This is just to easy. Barr won’t save his ass this time.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 22, 2020, 11:16:06 PM
   Trump will once again be rewarded by the Ma & Pa Kettles across this country. They appreciate a Man "that says what he means and means what he says". They understand this an extremely RARE trait being continually displayed by 1 Single Man as he Drains-The-Swamp.

  Another "WINNING, WINNING, WINNING" Issue for Trump. Trump = "Law & Order" wins in Nov. The Dem's are currently Melting Down as they see Trump pulling away from "Fuzzy" Joe currently curled up in a Ball inside his basement. Trump 2020 Rolls On!

  Yeah, that Libertarian Vote is CRUCIAL in Nov.  HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Put your money where your mouth is. Accept Paul's offer and win $ 1000,00..... Should be easy money, right?
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 22, 2020, 11:17:17 PM
Another "WINNING, WINNING, WINNING" Issue for Trump. Trump = "Law & Order" wins in Nov. The Dem's are currently Melting Down as they see Trump pulling away from "Fuzzy" Joe currently curled up in a Ball inside his basement. Trump 2020 Rolls On!

 :D :D :D

Glad you think so. Patriotic Americans don't want a Gestapo taking over their cities. Go move to Russia. More voters are leaving in droves.


Undecided Voters Overwhelmingly Prefer Biden

A new Reuters/Ipsos poll finds Joe Biden leading Donald Trump in the presidential race nationally, 46% to 38%.

Key findings: “The poll found that 61% of undecided or third-party registered voters said they would support Biden if they had to choose, while 39% would vote for Trump.”

“Seventy percent of undecided or third-party registered voters say they disapprove of Trump’s performance in office and the same number said they think the country is headed on the wrong track. And 62% said they thought the U.S. economy was headed in the wrong direction.”
   
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 22, 2020, 11:17:32 PM
  How much $$$ are YOU kicking in? The IRS would like to know.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 22, 2020, 11:18:24 PM


  Illinois NOW "In Play". Trump 2020 Rolls On!
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 22, 2020, 11:20:32 PM

Illinois NOW "In Play". Trump 2020 Rolls On!


What a troll  :D :D :D

Illinois

Joe Biden 55%
Donald Trump 39%

Georgia

Joe Biden 47%
Donald Trump 43%
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 22, 2020, 11:21:19 PM
  How much $$$ are YOU kicking in? The IRS would like to know.

Run boy run.... You have no confidence whatsoever in a Trump win in November, otherwise you would have accepted Paul's wager.

Let me sweeten the deal. If you accept Paul's wager and win, I'll pay you another $ 1000,00 on top. Come on then, little man... shows us who you really are!
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 22, 2020, 11:22:46 PM
  How much $$$ are YOU kicking in? The IRS would like to know.

$1000.00 CASH. That’s likely 10% of your yearly income. No confidence in the conman in the WH? Put your money where your mouth is. I challenge you. Again.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 22, 2020, 11:23:14 PM
   You gotta Gold Mine on that Spanish Island? $1,000,000 is a lotta coconuts.  HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 22, 2020, 11:24:13 PM
Run boy run.... You have no confidence whatsoever in a Trump win in November, otherwise you would have accepted Paul's wager.

Let me sweeten the deal. If you accept Paul's wager and win, I'll pay you another $ 1000,00 on top. Come on then, little man... shows us who you really are!

   Bump regarding $1,000,000 Offer
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 22, 2020, 11:24:50 PM
$1000.00 CASH. That’s likely 10% of your yearly income. No confidence in the conman in the WH? Put your money where your mouth is. I challenge you. Again.

Since Royell is a big time "consultant'" he should have no problem putting up the 1000. He knows he's gonna lose badly.     



Regretful Trump supporter apologizes to the entire world for supporting ‘that monster’

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/07/regretful-trump-voter-apologizes-to-the-entire-world-for-supporting-that-monster/
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 22, 2020, 11:25:12 PM
Wow. $2000 CASH. You could get indoor plumbing in that spombleprofglidnoctobuns hole you call home in Arkansas. :D
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 22, 2020, 11:30:34 PM
   You gotta Gold Mine on that Spanish Island? $1,000,000 is a lotta coconuts.  HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Says the fool who thinks coconuts grow on Spanish islands.... Now that's funny....

My lawyer in NY can have that money deposited in an account tomorrow.... So, what's it gonna be, big mouth?....

Accept Paul's wager or (more likely) expose yourself as a coward who has no confidence in a Trump win in November.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 22, 2020, 11:33:01 PM
And there are MILLIONS of more people just like this woman who has had enough of this corrupt con man.

Regretful Trump supporter apologizes to the entire world for supporting ‘that monster’

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In a video posted to YouTube that’s garnering a fair bit of attention, a self-described former Trump supporter confesses that she owes “the world” an apology for voting for Donald Trump in 2016.

“I decided in probably January or February when I heard that the first case of coronavirus was in Venice, I said to everyone around me that if it’s in Venice, it’s in the United States. … the [Trump administration] didn’t take it seriously from the very beginning.”

She went on to chronicle Trump’s repeated downplaying of the virus — “All this B.S., that I knew at the time was B.S.,” she said, adding that Trump’s rhetoric on coronavirus has turned into “full blown delusions.”

“At that moment I decided that he no longer has my vote.”

Watch the video below, via Republican Voters Against Trump:

Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 22, 2020, 11:39:01 PM
Says the fool who thinks coconuts grow on Spanish islands.... Now that's funny....

My lawyer in NY can have that money deposited in an account tomorrow.... So, what's it gonna be, big mouth?....

Accept Paul's wager or (more likely) expose yourself as a coward who has no confidence in a Trump win in November.

He’s been schooled on polling. He’s been schooled on economics. So, why’s he here? Attention? Desperation? Who’s his audience? Why is he fighting a battle he can’t win? How utterly ignorant is this guy?
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: John Iacoletti on July 22, 2020, 11:48:13 PM
Of course Royell won't take the wager.  Well done, Paul.  You've demonstrated that even Royell doesn't believe the crap he's spewing.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: John Iacoletti on July 22, 2020, 11:54:03 PM
   You gotta Gold Mine on that Spanish Island? $1,000,000 is a lotta coconuts.  HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Colossally ignorant Royell doesn't know that the comma is used as a decimal separator throughout Europe.   :D
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 22, 2020, 11:54:15 PM
Run boy run.... You have no confidence whatsoever in a Trump win in November, otherwise you would have accepted Paul's wager.

Let me sweeten the deal. If you accept Paul's wager and win, I'll pay you another $ 1000,00 on top. Come on then, little man... shows us who you really are!

    Bump regarding $1,000,000 offer
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 22, 2020, 11:54:47 PM
When people turn against a dictator-the dictator tries to turn people against themselves: Ex-FBI deputy director

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President Donald Trump is using federal troops to help him create a B-roll for his campaign commercials by sending them into cities that he doesn’t like to supersede the police there.

Daily Beast editor Sam Stein explained that while Trump’s tactics may have worked in 2016, now that he’s president, he can’t blame anyone other than himself. All he can do is claim that somehow mayors are mismanaging the Black Lives Matter protests, most of which have been peaceful and quieted down since the month following George Floyd’s death. It was only after Trump sent the troops into the streets that things started to get worse. It first happened in Washington, D.C., in which Park Police cleared the streets so Trump could take a photo-op outside of a church with a Bible. Then mothers were attacked in Portland, with protesters thrown in unmarked vans like a scene out of “V for Vendetta.”

MSNBC host Nicolle Wallace turned to former FBI counterintelligence expert Frank Figliuzzi, asking if Trump is “off” as he boasts about his dementia screening.

The president is without a doubt uninformed, but he’s also incredibly consistent with his constant arching and bending towards authoritarian practices. And sam stein is absolutely right to point us back towards the clearing of peaceful protesters in Lafayette Square. Trump learned no lesson. He simply learned to replace active-duty military with border patrol agents.”

“Since at least March that he wants to be a wartime president,” Figliuzzi said, recalling a White House press briefing in which Trump referred to himself as precisely that.

“He likes that theme,” Figliuzzi continued. “He’s going to go with it. He’s not going to divert from it. In fact, as you just noted, he’s going to announce that he’s going to bring this really bad Hollywood, terrible movie, set to cities near you. He’s going to make it happen because that is going to stoke the fear that he needs in people to think the only way that they can get law and order is from him. As Tom Friedman points out, this is really a page right out of the textbook for tyrants. Historically, what dictators and authoritarian regimes do when their people turn against them is to pit their own people against each other.”

He went on to say that he thinks that’s exactly what Trump wants to happen.

“I heard a report this morning on Fox News of a Trump surrogate claiming that the entire city of Portland has been decimated,” said Figliuzzi. “That’s not true. We heard similar things about Seattle, and that kind of autonomous zone that they had taken the whole city away when really it was five or six blocks. The facts matter.”

He then said that he wanted to deliver a special message to federal agents being deployed to cities.

The other thing that matters is I want to make an appeal to the federal agents that are on the street of Portland and about to deploy to other cities. I was a federal agent for 25 years years. When I led FBI offices, one of the things I had to make certain of that I wasn’t asking agents to do something that would put them in legal jeopardy and take them outside the scope of their employment. I’m here to appeal to those DHS agents today and say there will one day be a legal reckoning for what you are being asked to do. And you are compelled to stand by the rule of law and the Constitution. You are operating outside the scope of your employment when you take people off the street, nowhere near federal buildings when you don’t tell them they’re under arrest, when you don’t tell them your name and your agency, and when you release them because you know you have no probable cause to arrest them. There will be a reckoning. You need to get your professional liability insurance paid up.”

Watch the full discussion in link below:

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/07/when-people-turn-against-a-dictator-the-dictator-tries-to-turn-people-against-themselves-ex-fbi-deputy-director/



Trump may be showing sign of 'an immature president who refuses to leave the office’: political scientist

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Much of the analysis of President Donald Trump’s use of federal Department of Homeland Security officers against protesters in Portland, Oregon has discussed Trump’s actions from a legal or constitutional standpoint. But Daniel W. Drezner, a professor of international politics at Tufts University in Massachusetts, contemplates Trump’s possible political motivations in an op-ed published this week in the Washington Post.

“The official version is that federal officers from the Department of Homeland Security are protecting federal buildings that have been the focus of Black Lives Matter protests,” Drezner explains. “The more disturbing version is that unidentified U.S. Customs and Border Protection personnel are wearing camouflage gear, assaulting protesters and driving around in unmarked vans picking up random people. These actions have raised questions about the legality of what is being done…. I’ll confine my response to a more concrete question: what is the political gain that Donald Trump and his administration perceive they will garner from these actions?”

Drezner is dismissive of Acting DHS Secretary Chad Wolf’s claim that Trump is merely using DHS to protect Portland from “violent anarchists.”

“This is not actually about anarchy in Portland because the city seems both ordered and copacetic with what’s happening,” Drezner argues. “This is about something else. What political gain does Trump see from escalating and nationalizing this situation?”

Drezner goes on to say that Trump is motivated by either “incompetence” or “malevolence,” although he isn’t sure which one and finds the latter to be the more frightening possibility.

If it’s “incompetence,” Drezner argues, Trump has made a political miscalculation because he fails to realize that that using DHS officers against protesters is only giving his detractors yet another reason to vote for former Vice President Joe Biden, this year’s presumptive Democratic presidential nominee.

“It is possible that Trump mistakenly believes that this is a winning political move,” Drezner writes. “But there is another, darker possibility. As 2020 has progressed, two things have become increasingly clear: (1) Donald Trump is losing the presidential race to Joe Biden. (2) Trump is doing everything in his power to consolidate and expand his power over the executive branch. From loyalty tests to D-list appointments to his attraction to legally dubious executive orders, Trump has tried to surmount his fundamental weakness as a political leader and augment the awesome powers of the presidency.”

Drezner writes that although he isn’t sure, he is inclined to see “incompetence” as the president’s motivation with DHS and the Portland protesters — quickly adding that if he is wrong, that possibility “scares the bejeezus out of me.”

“With Trump, I tend to choose incompetence over malevolence in explaining his actions,” Drezner writes. “It is likely that he thinks this will be a winning political move, even if it is not. This is one of those instances, however, in which one should absolutely be prepared for malevolence. Democrats in Congress, the Biden campaign, the courts, the governors, civil society organizations, and even the U.S. military need to start preparing for the contingency of an immature president who refuses to leave the office. Because this is all too plausible an explanation for why Trump and his toadies are doing what they are doing right now.”

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/07/trump-may-be-showing-signs-of-an-immature-president-who-refuses-to-leave-the-office-political-scientist/



Conservative nails the hypocrisy of Trump and the right-wing trying to take down the Lincoln Project by calling them grifters

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Instead of debating the allegations from the Republican-run Lincoln Project, President Donald Trump’s team is trying to take them down with attacks on them instead.

Conservative Washington Post columnist Max Boot wrote in his Wednesday column that we should look no further for evidence that the Lincoln Project videos are working than the recent attacks.

“The most common charge is that, as Republican National Committee chair Ronna McDaniel put it, the organization has a ‘record of grift’ and ‘profiting off attacking President Trump,’ Boot quoted. “This charge has been faithfully repeated with no evidence by the lapdog conservative press, e.g., the National Review and Ben Shapiro.”

It’s “pretty rich,” he said, coming from Trump’s team after watching Trump’s friends and top right-wing conservatives who have used the White House to benefit personally and for former employers.

"According to the Center for Responsive Politics, the Trump campaign and affiliated committees have spent $22 million at Trump properties since he entered politics in 2015,” reported Boot. “Now we learn that Trump directed the U.S. ambassador to Britain to ask the British government to steer the British Open to his golf resort in Scotland.”

That, Boot said, is corruption, if McDaniel was confused. The Lincoln Project starting their group and hiring themselves to do the work is the everyday business of politics. The desperate attempt to attack them, however, shows the GOP’s hand.

“There is no reason to believe that the ‘Lincoln Project executives are simply pocketing the money that’s channeled through their political consulting firms,'” Boot quoted the Daily Beast. “If those working on the Lincoln Project are compensated, well, they deserve it. They’re turning out brilliant videos at a relentless pace that puts most political organizations to shame.”

They’re arguably also working hard to get their message out and do press and media around it. That’s how normal campaigns run. As far as we know, no one at the Lincoln Project has met with a Russian lawyer to discuss “dirt” on any candidate, they’re merely using the publicly available information from the president’s own mouth.

The war against the Lincoln Project is really a “thinly disguised attack on its tactics,” Boot said, noting the ways in which they pick apart Trump and the Republican Party from a moderate political position. The right-wing is furious, Boot described, for targeting vulnerable GOP senators. But the reality is that the Republican senators are only being held accountable for trusting that Trump would protect them or save them from being kicked out of office. As with Trump’s allies sitting in jail, it’s obvious that isn’t the way Trump works.

He went on to cite a book from Stuart Stevens, who has consulted with the Lincoln Project, It Was All a Lie: How the Republican Party Became Donald Trump. The book outlines the extent to which the GOP has been willing to turn its back on their longtime values to score votes with the far-right.

The book blasts today’s Republican Party as “a white grievance party,” claiming “there is an ugly history of code words and dog whistles in the party.”

Any other parts of the GOP platform are “convenient fiction,” Boot said.

“How do you abandon deeply held beliefs about character, personal responsibility, foreign policy, and the national debt in a matter of months? You don’t. The obvious answer is those beliefs weren’t deeply held.… It had always been about power. The rest? The principles? The values? It was all a lie,” Stevens’ book reads.

“The most distinguishing characteristic of the current national Republican Party is cowardice,” the book goes on. “The base price of admission is a willingness to accept that an unstable, pathological liar leads it and pretend otherwise.”

Like a farmer burning the fields, it appears the Lincoln Project thinks the only way to get the real GOP back to what it was is to burn the fields. Boot noted that you know things are bad when the GOP is going after conservatives like Rep. Liz Cheney (R-WY) and John Bolton.
“If we are ever again to have a sane and sober center-right party in America — something we desperately need — then the Trumpified GOP must first be demolished,” Boot closed. “That is what the Lincoln Project is trying to accomplish and more power to it. By leading the charge against the Republican Party, its founders have shown greater fealty to conservative principles than 99 percent of elected Republicans.”

Read the full column at the Washington Post.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/07/22/lincoln-project-is-trying-save-republican-party-itself/
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 22, 2020, 11:57:27 PM
    Bump regarding $1,000,000 offer

Mr Zero is adding on a zero after the decimal separator....  :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 22, 2020, 11:59:51 PM
Colossally ignorant Royell doesn't know that the comma is used as a decimal separator throughout Europe.   :D

Good catch. I didn't pick up on that one.....
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 23, 2020, 12:07:05 AM
Another "WINNING, WINNING, WINNING" Issue for Trump. Trump = "Law & Order" wins in Nov. The Dem's are currently Melting Down as they see Trump pulling away from "Fuzzy" Joe currently curled up in a Ball inside his basement. Trump 2020 Rolls On!

So much "WINNING"  :D :D :D


Republicans are at each others' throats as they veer toward electoral self-sabotage

Every day, new polls come out that show Republicans in dire straits for the 2020 election. And it’s no surprise — the economy is collapsing and the country is ravaged by a devastating pandemic, events that President Donald Trump is in no small part to blame for.

But the stress of impending doom isn’t focusing GOP minds or encouraging them to band together. Instead, the pressure seems to be tearing them apart. And in their dysfunction, they may be ready to thwart the country’s best chances of muddling through the present devastation further undermining their own electoral standing heading into November.

Rep. Liz Cheney (R-WY) has been the subject of much internal scrutiny and discord, as multiple reports and public comments have revealed. Though at times she has sought the president’s favor, she broken with him at key points recently — inspiring the wrath of his fierce congressional defenders.

CNN reported that she became a target at Tuesday’s Republican conference:

Several House Republicans attacked House GOP Conference Chairwoman Liz Cheney of Wyoming during a conference meeting Tuesday morning for supporting Dr. Anthony Fauci and splitting with President Donald Trump on a variety of issues over the past few months, three sources who were in the room told CNN.

Members including Reps. Jim Jordan of Ohio, Matt Gaetz of Florida, Thomas Massie of Kentucky, Chip Roy of Texas, Andy Biggs of Arizona, Scott Perry of Pennsylvania and Ralph Norman of South Carolina all chimed in to air grievances against Cheney.



During the conference meeting, Gaetz and Massie complained about Cheney supporting a primary challenge to Massie, the sources said. Jordan, the top Republican on the Judiciary Committee, listed areas where Cheney has publicly disagreed with the President, pointing to her resistance to Trump’s plan to pull back troops in Germany and Afghanistan.

Roy hit Cheney for supporting Fauci, the nation’s leading infectious disease expert, and complained that his Democratic opponent has retweeted some of Cheney’s tweets.


Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY), too, let loose on Cheney to the media.

“I mean she tries to sabotage everything he tries to do in foreign policy, so I don’t know whether she’s a good advocate for the President or not,” he told CNN.

He also said: “I don’t think she’s good for the country.”

Meanwhile, rifts are forming over what to do with the next coronavirus relief bill. On that matter, Sens. Ted Cruz (R-TX) and Tom Cotton (R-AR) have found themselves on opposite sides.

The Washington Post’s James Hohmann reported that Cruz fumed at Cotton’s advocacy for more spending at a recent meeting, exclaiming: “What in the hell are we doing?”

According to Axios, the primary rift falls between Senate Republicans and the Trump White House.

“The Senate Republican lunch descended into chaos, several GOP lawmakers said, revealing that the White House and Republican senators remain far apart on key priorities in the next economic package,” reported Alayna Treene. “The White House officials did little talking, Sen. Josh Hawley (R-Mo.) told reporters. Instead, senators used the time to air their disagreements. ‘There’s a robust difference of opinion,’ Hawley said.”

Once again, Paul aired his frustrations publicly:

Just came from Progressive Democrat, whoops, I’m mean Republican caucus: 
They’re going to spend $105b more on education, more than we spend every year on the Dept of Education. Anyone remember when Reagan conservatives were for eliminating the Federal Dept. of Education?

Democrats, on the other hand, remain united. The House passed a $3 trillion spending bill in May that the Senate and the White House have refused to move on.

“Republicans are in complete disarray,” said Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY), according to the Washington Post. “Totally incompetent. Totally in disarray. Totally at war with one another.”

CNBC reported Wednesday afternoon that the GOP is drifting toward potentially passing a bill that would extend the expanded unemployment insurance in the country after it is supposed to expire this week — but at a drastically reduced rate:

Republicans are considering extending the enhanced unemployment insurance benefit at a dramatically reduced level of $400 per month, or $100 a week, through the rest of the year, sources told CNBC.

Congress passed a $600 per week, or $2,400 a month, boost to jobless benefits in March to deal with a wave of unemployment unseen in decades as states shut down their economies to combat the coronavirus pandemic. The policy expires at the end of July as the U.S. unemployment rate stands above 11%.

The GOP, which has not made a final decision on how it will craft unemployment insurance in a bill set to be released this week, previously discussed extending the benefit at an additional $200 per week instead of $600. Democrats want to make the $600 per week sum available at least until next year.


This plan, it should be clear, would be disastrous. There are still many millions of people unemployed because of the initial downturn caused by the coronavirus pandemic. Many are desperate and only scraping by as is. Slashing their benefits by $2,000 a month, with the virus resurgent and the economy at risk of getting worse, would be a brutal blow.

Even if Republicans were to eventually agree with Democrats and extend the $600 a week expanded unemployment (an unlikely scenario), observers expect the program will still lapse before it is renewed. This means recipients would face a gap in the payments they’ve been receiving, which could itself cause a major shock to the economy.

And all this rancor, dithering, and lack of urgency are likely to be electoral poison for the GOP. With a devastated economy and an out-of-control virus, the ruling party is likely to lose the White House and congressional seats no matter what it does. But guaranteeing economic distress and continued uncertainty for millions of families while the country is trying to recover from financial collapse would be a spectacular form of Republican self-sabotage.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 23, 2020, 12:25:31 AM
    Instead of gambling which I do Not do, why don't you guys pool your shekels and make me an offer/$$$ to STOP EXPOSING: (1) Your indefensible positions on Numerous Political Issues and (2) Your supporting a Non Compos Mentis Presidential candidate? I would consider that offer/$$$.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 23, 2020, 12:27:51 AM
    Instead of gambling which I do Not do, why don't you guys pool your shekels and make me an offer/$$$ to STOP EXPOSING: (1) Your indefensible positions on Numerous Political Issues and (2) Your supporting a Non Compos Mentis Presidential candidate? I would consider that offer/$$$.

So, no confidence whatsoever in a Trump win in November....  Got it   Thumb1:

Just another spineless coward;



Instead of gambling which I do Not do

Of course you do. Everyday that you support that maniac Trump, you gamble with your own future and those of your loved ones. You gamble alright, you're just not bright enough to understand it.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 23, 2020, 12:30:03 AM
Donald Trump's Gestapo thugs beat a Navy vet. Is this what you want America to be? Donald Trump is doing this as a reality show because he thinks it will help him with his right wing base. Americans are outraged. Don't let fascism and authoritarian rule destroy our great country of liberty and democracy. Vote this wannabe authoritarian dictator thug out of office in a massive landslide on November 3rd.

Navy veteran beaten and pepper-sprayed by federal agents at protest in Portland
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/07/21/portland-protest-navy-vet-christopher-david-beaten-federal-agents-video/5477552002/






Experts: Trump's use of federal DHS officers in Portland is ‘bad and ineffective law enforcement’

President Donald Trump and Chad Wolf, acting secretary of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, have been drawing a great deal of criticism for the way in which federal law enforcement officers have been conducting themselves during George Floyd protests in Portland, Oregon — where men in military-like camouflage have been emerging from unmarked vehicles and detaining protesters. Legal experts Benjamin Wittes and Quinta Jurecic, in a July 21 article for The Atlantic, analyze Trump’s use of federal law enforcement in Portland and explain why it is wildly inappropriate.

“Whether the Trump Administration has the technical legal authority to deploy this show of force in this particular matter does not answer the question of whether it should do so,” Wittes and Jurecic argue. “The use of federal officers in this manner is corrosive of democratic culture, it makes for bad and ineffective law enforcement, and it’s likely physically dangerous both for the law enforcement officers and for the protesters in question.”

Democratic Sen. Ron Wyden of Oregon has denounced the officers as “Trump’s secret police,” and other critics of the president have said that the images coming out of Portland recall Italy under Benito Mussolini or Chile under Gen. Augusto Pinochet.” Gov. Kate Brown, also a Democrat, told PBS that “Trump’s troops” were “pouring gasoline on a fire.”

Ron Wyden: peaceful protester in Portland was shot in the head by one of Donald Trump’s secret police. Now Trump and Chad Wolf are weaponizing the DHS as their own occupying army to provoke violence on the streets of my hometown because they think it plays well with right-wing media.

Wittes and Jurecic write that although DHS is authorized to protect federal property — including the federal courthouse in Portland — DHS has been overreaching in Oregon’s largest city.

According to Wittes and Jurecic, “The existence of the department’s authority to protect federal property is uncontroversial. The federal government has the power to defend federal buildings and facilities from civil unrest, and a variety of federal laws protect federal property from attack and vandalism and federal officials from interference with their discharge of the government’s business. While this authority certainly extends to the power to investigate federal crimes and arrest those suspected of them, it is not some general authority to patrol the downtowns of major cities and pick up and detain protesters merely because a federal building may be in the neighborhood.”

The legal experts note that the “tactical divisions of the Homeland Security Department from which the officers in Portland appear to hail — Customs and Border Protection (CBP) and Immigrations and Customs Enforcement (ICE) — are not typically deployed at protests, but charged with enforcing immigration law and guarding the U.S. border…. Sending out officers untrained for demonstrations risks violence if the agents end up in situations they don’t know how to handle.”

Wittes and Jurecic conclude their article by saying that if Trump’s desire is to discourage the protesters in Portland, it “doesn’t seem to be working.”

“Last night in Portland, as happened last month in Washington, D.C., peaceful protests only grew in response to the federal show of force,” Wittes and Jurecic write. “If Trump follows through on his promise to export the federal muscle to other cities, the anonymous agents may be met with more large crowds defying Trump’s efforts at vilification and coercion.”

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/07/experts-trumps-use-of-federal-dhs-officers-in-portland-is-bad-and-ineffective-law-enforcement/
 
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 23, 2020, 12:34:46 AM
So, no confidence whatsoever in a Trump win in November....  Got it   Thumb1:
   
   If You do Not want "in" just say so. Just be prepared to endure continually being exposed/ridiculed. Notwithstanding your general math skills also needing serious work.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 23, 2020, 12:39:52 AM
   
   If You do Not want "in" just say so. Just be prepared to endure continually being exposed/ridiculed. Notwithstanding your general math skills also needing serious work.

Wanna buy some coconuts from a Spanish Island?.... They're cheap, only $ 1,00 each.

You've just exposed yourself as a spineless coward who does not believe in what he pretends to stand for. To bad you're not bright enough to understand that.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 23, 2020, 12:43:33 AM

  Your typing skills are also weak Jr. Work on the placement of your $ sign.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 23, 2020, 12:44:40 AM
Scaramucci says Ghislaine Maxwell has the goods on Donald Trump

When Donald Trump made a point of publicly offering well wishes to alleged sex trafficker Ghislaine Maxwell yesterday, it set off all the alarms. While he was babbling about it, Trump acknowledged that he’s met Maxwell several times over the years, and that they used to live in Palm Beach together.

So what was Donald Trump giving away in that moment? Anthony Scaramucci posted this tweet:

She has the goods on him. He is signaling “please don’t talk.”

Scaramucci isn’t claiming to have inside information about this. But he worked closely with Donald Trump in the White House, and surely knows how to read Trump when he makes a bizarre remark like this. We’re guessing Scaramucci is correct. Otherwise there would have been no reason for Trump to say what he said yesterday.

 :D :D :D

Instead of gambling which I do Not do, why don't you guys pool your shekels and make me an offer/$$$ to STOP EXPOSING: (1) Your indefensible positions on Numerous Political Issues and (2) Your supporting a Non Compos Mentis Presidential candidate? I would consider that offer/$$$.

Donald Trump's Dementia

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More slurring words with dementia   

 
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 23, 2020, 12:54:58 AM

  Extremely good week for Trump. Cleaning up Portland, Chicago, and soon Alb. Corona Briefings going Exceptionally well, and the Economic News for July is Very Strong even with the slowdowns/shutdowns. This is why you got Dem's throwing absolute Hissy Fits on Fake News. They See, They Know. Trump 2020 Rolling On!
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 23, 2020, 12:57:28 AM
#GestapoTrump is now trending on Twitter as Americans are outraged over Donald Trump using Gestapo thugs to occupy our cities for his reality show.

#GestapoTrump just held a disastrous press briefing. He was incoherent even while reading from a script. His answers to reporters' questions were even more incoherent. The guy is falling to pieces in front of our eyes.


Is it Gestapo Trump or Dementia Don?

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Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 23, 2020, 12:58:30 AM
   
   If You do Not want "in" just say so. Just be prepared to endure continually being exposed/ridiculed. Notwithstanding your general math skills also needing serious work.

Yawn. His lack of creativity and lack of confidence in his conman is noted. He gets schooled everyday and returns for more.  IQ of jello. He’s still in PPS - propaganda pre-school. He wants to impress us. He claims to travel the country “consulting”. He claims his “counsel” is sought. He turns down $2000.00 because he has little confidence in his con artist. He’s from the back woods of arguably the poorest, least educated state in America. The internet is his life. He can be anybody he chooses to be. He’s chosen to be anti-American. His constant everyday lying mirrors his mentor. It’s the air he breathes. He’s been schooled everyday by people on this thread. I’m guessing Alex Jones was a likely hero. Sad indeed.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 23, 2020, 12:59:19 AM
  Extremely good week for Trump. Cleaning up Portland, Chicago, and soon Alb. Corona Briefings going Exceptionally well, and the Economic News for July is Very Strong even with the slowdowns/shutdowns. This is why you got Dem's throwing absolute Hissy Fits on Fake News. They See, They Know. Trump 2020 Rolling On!

Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 23, 2020, 01:01:26 AM
Donald Trump’s press briefing today is a total disaster

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Donald Trump’s press briefing yesterday was a disaster, from his total lack of answers on coronavirus to his bizarre decision to offer well wishes to alleged sex trafficker Ghislaine Maxwell. So Trump decided that he’d try it again today, and it’s not going much better for him.

Trump once again stumbled his way through a prepared opening speech which he’d clearly never seen before and didn’t understand. At one point he said something completely incoherent about going into hospitals with a cure. Then he said “I’m finding more and more people are saying ‘wash your hands, so wash your hands.” Wait, was there a time during Trump’s presidency when experts were advising people against washing their hands?

In a sign that these press briefings are too little too late to turn anything around for Donald Trump, CNN once again didn’t even bother to air the briefing today until it reached the part where reporters were able to ask him questions. Trump claimed that Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot secretly wants him to invade her city. He also repeated his dangerous false claim that kids are all but immune to coronavirus. This is a disaster for him.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 23, 2020, 01:03:35 AM
  Oh Boy! Now they are so hard up for something to make them feel good, they are Forced to post the Hysteria on Twitter. Like I said, a Very Good Week for Trump.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 23, 2020, 01:06:06 AM
  CNN and MSNBC elected to Not Cover the carnage in Chicago last night. Fake News + No News = Propaganda
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Tom Scully on July 23, 2020, 01:08:05 AM
  Extremely good week for Trump. Cleaning up Portland, Chicago, and soon Alb. [/size]Corona Briefings going Exceptionally well, and the Economic News for July is Very Strong even with the slowdowns/shutdowns. This is why you got Dem's throwing absolute Hissy Fits on Fake News. They See, They Know. Trump 2020 Rolling On!

  CNN and MSNBC elected to Not Cover the carnage in Chicago last night. Fake News + No News = Propaganda

MAGA = dialing back 52 years, back to the same ole authoritarian fueled politics of designed racial division

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https://www.vox.com/2016/3/29/11325750/nixon-war-on-drugs
Was Nixon's war on drugs a racially motivated crusade? It's a bit more complicated.
By German Lopez@germanrlopezgerman.lopez@vox.com Mar 29, 2016, 2:00pm EDT
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people," Ehrlichman told journalist Dan Baum in 1994.
 "You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or blacks, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities."....
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 23, 2020, 01:09:03 AM
  Oh Boy! Now they are so hard up for something to make them feel good, they are Forced to post the Hysteria on Twitter. Like I said, a Very Good Week for Trump.

How does it make you feel that your Führer is being beaten in all the polls, in public opinion, in nearly all the media and on the internet, by a guy who doesn't have to do anything except sit back and watch Trump selfdestruct and drag the GOP down with him....

Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 23, 2020, 01:16:08 AM
'Lipstick on Gestapo pigs': Trump sending storm troopers’ and ‘jack-booted secret police thugs’ to US cities slammed as fascism

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Donald Trump’s Wednesday afternoon press conference, held in the same White House room where President Barack Obama announced the U.S. had killed Osama bin Laden, was quickly panned as a “last-ditch effort to win the election,” “fascism,” and an unnecessary use of force over the wishes of U.S. cities.

Trump announced he will be sending hundreds of federal officers to the streets of Chicago to arrest “murderers and violent criminals” who, he claimed, “are breaking a wide range of federal laws, we have that, it’s as wide as it can be.”

In Portland, Trump’s highly-armed SWAT teams are causing massive unrest, especially after reports that his secret police “goon squads,” as some have called them, are “proactively arresting” Americans who have committed no crimes, as Homeland Security acting Secretary Chad Wolf admitted Tuesday.

In fact, overall crime and violent crime (except murder) is down across the country, including in America’s top cities.

At least one legal expert wants to know under what authority can Trump take these actions:

What’s the jurisdiction? Is there any plausible authorization for this?
https://twitter.com/AnthonyMKreis/status/1286034762705047557

Former head of the U.S. Office of Government Ethics had a more incisive response:

Go to hell.

On social media many expressed fear, anger, and outrage.

I wonder if there is a word for an authoritarian form of nationalistic government that uses violence to suppress dissent...

BREAKING: trump is announcing today that his "Operation Legend" will send hundreds of jack-booted secret police federal thugs to Chicago and New Mexico.

First they came for Portland...

American cities are being invaded by fascist gangs from the federal government.

AG Barr is putting lipstick on Gestapo pigs

anyone pretending donald trump or the rest of the gop cares about black crime victims is so full of it

TRUMP: We must beat groups of dangerous moms linking hands and chanting witch-like incantations in front of Federal buildings. We will gas them if need be. Maybe beat them and then gas them. Wherever a dangerous mom group gathers we will dispatch our guys to get rough.

This is opposed by every former pre-Trump DHS secretary of both parties as well as US military leaders. It also exposes DHS officials & federal law enforcement to legal exposure. All to make Trump appear tough before an election he's losing.

Whatever genius is advising Trump on policy - sending storm troopers to gas moms does not make you a law and order anything, it makes you a fascist.  That 30 point gap with suburban woman is about to become that 50 point gap.

If you're not getting frightened, you're not listening.

Operation Legend is Trump's last-ditch effort to win the election by manufacturing battles in American cities and claiming to be the heroic protector of terrified white people. He will burn this country to the ground if he thinks it will save his skin.

Trump is hoping for a bloodbath.

Trump is deploying armed federal officers to violently invade American cities but doing nothing to help American cities combat coronavirus.

Donald Trump is a racist running for president while also invading American cities and attacking American citizens. Donald Trump is basically Jefferson Davis.

Don't worry. I'm sure they'll stop at this level of fascism.

Absolute, complete, unadulterated election-year hokum from a guy who's losing

It isn’t a shock Trump is compulsively tripling down on his authoritarian act.

He has been exposed as an impotent buffoon at handling the pandemic and is desperate to look like less of a pathetic little weakling.
1:37 PM · Jul 22, 2020

So, in the name of that 4 year old kid who was unjustly murdered, Trump is going to send paramilitary mooks into American cities with Democrat Mayors to rough up protestors? WTF is this bullshit? Operation Legend?

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/07/lipstick-on-gestapo-pigs-trump-sending-storm-troopers-and-jack-booted-secret-police-thugs-to-us-cities-slammed-as-fascism/
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 23, 2020, 01:29:44 AM
Trump investigated for refusing to wear a mask after DC ordered face coverings

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Washington, D.C. has a mandatory mask order that is for all public locations, even apartment hallways and lobbies. So when Trump was captured on video in the Trump International Hotel in Washington without a mask, it prompted local authorities to question the president’s actions.

According to the Washington Post, “the investigator found no violations at the time of the visit, but the agency pledged to continue monitoring the hotel,”

Mayor Muriel E. Bowser ordered people to cover their faces in the spring, even in lobbies and common areas of hotels, and to maintain a six-foot distance from others.

The video shows that Trump ignored the order, along with multiple guests standing near each other in the lobby of Trump’s hotel.

ABC News reported Tuesday that Trump’s D.C. hotel isn’t the only one. Many of his hotels across the country have ignored face-covering mandates.

“A Facebook invitation for a birthday party scheduled for Saturday at the D.C. hotel featured a ‘NO MASKS ALLOWED’ disclaimer,” said ABC. By Wednesday, the digital invitation was gone.

See the video of the event in link below:
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/07/trump-investigated-for-refusing-to-wear-a-mask-after-dc-ordered-face-coverings/



Trump flails after CNN's Kaitlan Collins asks why he’s not responsible for violence in Chicago — when he blamed Obama for it

At Wednesday’s White House coronavirus briefing, the topic veered into President Donald Trump’s plans to send federal troops to cities like Chicago — and CNN reporter Kaitlan Collins caught the president off guard with a simple question.

“In 2016, you said it was President Obama’s fault when shootings in Chicago were up,” said Collins. “So why was it President Obama’s fault then, but it’s not your fault now?”

“Chicago is a disaster,” said Trump, filibustering the question. “The mayor is saying, don’t come in, the mayor is telling us not to come in.”

After Collins repeated the question, Trump said, “Because President Obama was invited in, and he did a poor job … he could have solved the problem.”

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/07/trump-flails-after-cnns-kaitlan-collins-asks-why-hes-not-responsible-for-violence-in-cities/



Trump falsely claims Black Lives Matters protests caused coronavirus resurgence

At Tuesday’s White House briefing, President Donald Trump tried to blame the recent uptick in coronavirus cases on the Black Lives Matter protests around the country.

Trump said that the rise among young people started “shortly after demonstrations … which presumably triggered a broader relaxation of mitigation efforts nationwide.” In fact, there is no evidence that people decided to stop following CDC guidelines because of the protests, most of the protesters were wearing masks, and data found no correlation between where protests occurred and where outbreaks flared up.

Trump also tried to take credit for his border wall — which has barely been constructed — with Mexico for preventing coronavirus cases, saying that illegal crossings are at a “record low” (they aren’t.)

Watch below:

Trump begins his July 22 coronavirus news conference by trying to blame #BlackLivesMatter protests and Mexico for the ongoing spike in cases
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1286058386589712385

Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 23, 2020, 01:31:59 AM
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Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 23, 2020, 01:36:02 AM
How does it make you feel that your Führer is being beaten in all the polls, in public opinion, in nearly all the media and on the internet, by a guy who doesn't have to do anything except sit back and watch Trump selfdestruct and drag the GOP down with him....

    Same stuff we heard back in "16". With the Endless abuse I endure around here, what makes you Believe that Trump Supporters in general are freely volunteering their opinion via SURVEYS? You guys Never Learn, and then You suffer "Trump Derangement Syndrome" afterward. It's ALL your own fault.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 23, 2020, 01:38:13 AM
  Oh Boy! Now they are so hard up for something to make them feel good, they are Forced to post the Hysteria on Twitter. Like I said, a Very Good Week for Trump.

So, the intellectual midget who claims he disdains Twitter apparently is AGAIN lying to the forums members. That’s the thing with pathological liars. They forget the lies they’ve told.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 23, 2020, 01:39:26 AM

  If you are saying that Twitter is loaded with liars, I'll take your word for it.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 23, 2020, 01:47:58 AM
    Same stuff we heard back in "16". With the Endless abuse I endure around here, what makes you Believe that Trump Supporters in general are freely volunteering their opinion via SURVEYS? You guys Never Learn, and then You suffer "Trump Derangement Syndrome" afterward. It's ALL your own fault.

People actually seek your counsel? Seriously? 2020 in no way resembles 2016. Not even close. The mood of the country 360 degrees different. The 2016 polls had HC up 2.3% just before election day. She won popular vote by 3 million votes. Polls were accurate. Nobody polls the electoral college genius. Trump won based on 3 small precincts by 77,000 votes. Biden currently up by 8-9 points in ALL polls. Cut those in half before 11/3 and Biden still wins. Why must I school you day after day?
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 23, 2020, 01:48:26 AM
    Same stuff we heard back in "16". With the Endless abuse I endure around here, what makes you Believe that Trump Supporters in general are freely volunteering their opinion via SURVEYS? You guys Never Learn, and then You suffer "Trump Derangement Syndrome" afterward. It's ALL your own fault.

So, you've got a leader that is so popular that people supporting him are afraid or ashamed to admit it? Really.... Just how sick is that?

With the Endless abuse I endure around here,

Oh poor boy.... but you come here voluntary to get your daily beating. You don't have to, you know.... You have no friends here and you sure as hell are not going to convince anybody with your lies and propaganda, so why put you through it on a daily basis? A sucker for punishment, are you?

And btw, the major difference between 2016 and 2020 is that this time around people have seen the guy in action for four years. In 2016 he could run as the outsider who was going to fix the world. Not this time! People have seen what he is all about and they spit him out. Never has there been so much resistance against a sitting President as against Trump and there is good reason for it.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 23, 2020, 01:50:02 AM
  If you are saying that Twitter is loaded with liars, I'll take your word for it.

Two that I know. The lunatic in the WH and you. I’m not on Twitter so I’ll rely on what I know.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 23, 2020, 01:58:36 AM
     Intimidation can silence people, sometimes run 'em off. The Nazi's employed this back in-the-day. This is the company You keep. This is why Trump will Win in Nov. People appreciate a guy with a backbone that will Defend them from this oppression. Today, it even includes the Fake News Media.  As did Nazi Germany. Get it? Trump 2020 Rolls on!   
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 23, 2020, 02:01:46 AM
Donald Trump's America. Do you want America to fall to these thugs? 

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Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 23, 2020, 02:07:01 AM

  Law Officers are Not Thugs. Portland has been under siege for Over 50 Consecutive Days. These Law Officers will Liberate Portland. As I have said, this is a WINNING Issue for Trump which explains the Dem Hysteria all day long. They know this, and they realize that Trump is expanding the Liberation. This Issue is making Trump the "Law & Order" POTUS Candidate vs the doddering "Fuzzy" Joe Biden. STARK Comparison = Easy Choice to make.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 23, 2020, 02:12:06 AM
     Intimidation can silence people, sometimes run 'em off. The Nazi's employed this back in-the-day. This is the company You keep. This is why Trump will Win in Nov. People appreciate a guy with a backbone that will Defend them from this oppression. Today, it even includes the Fake News Media.  As did Nazi Germany. Get it? Trump 2020 Rolls on!

Intimidation can silence people, sometimes run 'em off.

What intimidation? If you have to be ashamed of supporting somebody, that person isn't worthy of your support.

The Nazi's employed this back in-the-day.

Yes, and my family members lived through that hell and saw it all.... Now they see Trump's stormtroopers and for them it's a repeat of what the Nazis did.

People appreciate a guy with a backbone that will Defend them from this oppression.

What oppression? Who's in charge? All this is happening on Trump's watch. The only oppression there is, in the so-called land of the free, is right wing thugs protesting the semi-automatic weapons and some sort of secret police force that is beating up people for no reason.. And you support that BS.

You really don't get this, do you now?.... It starts in Portland and Chicago and it will spread all over the country if nobody stops Trump. And pretty soon all your freedoms are gone.... and the next thing you know is that they come for you and there won't be anybody around to stand up for you.

As did Nazi Germany. Get it?

Yeah I get it.... and just about everybody in Europe gets it as well as more and more Americans.... The Nazis have arrived.....

Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 23, 2020, 02:15:47 AM
     Intimidation can silence people, sometimes run 'em off. The Nazi's employed this back in-the-day. This is the company You keep. This is why Trump will Win in Nov. People appreciate a guy with a backbone that will Defend them from this oppression. Today, it even includes the Fake News Media.  As did Nazi Germany. Get it? Trump 2020 Rolls on!

Likely, Nazi’s are something you’re familiar with considering there’s a Nazi wannabe who you support currently in the WH. You consider destroying our constitution to be indicative of having a backbone? A man, not unlike you who has told the American people 20,000+ fact checked lies? Like Trump, YOU are a proven documented liar. Like Trump, you’re a racist. Like Trump, you’ve never served America. Fake news media? They simply replay Trump’s own words for the world to see. He’s a clown, no different than you. The only difference? You don’t have 2 nickels to rub together. You’re just one more red neck from Arkansas with an internet connection. Schooled again!
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 23, 2020, 02:16:38 AM
  Law Officers are Not Thugs. Portland has been under siege for Over 50 Consecutive Days. These Law Officers will Liberate Portland. As I have said, this is a WINNING Issue for Trump which explains the Dem Hysteria all day long. They know this, and they realize that Trump is expanding the Liberation. This Issue is making Trump the "Law & Order" POTUS Candidate vs the doddering "Fuzzy" Joe Biden. STARK Comparison = Easy Choice to make.

They are thugs inciting violence. Right wing extremists have infiltrated peaceful protests to cause a civil war which was their plan. This is a Trump reality shows. He is losing badly and wants political theatre. America will not fall to fascism and authoritarianism. Congeess knows all about the right wing extreme "boogaloo movement to start a civil war.     


Congress Just Got an Earful About the Threat of the Boogaloo Movement
Thursday’s hearing was the first time it’s been discussed publicly by Congress, and experts warned they need to act now with more oversight.


Members of Congress just got a stark warning about the potential national security threats posed by the Boogaloo Bois and other insurgent extremist movements.

The consensus among the experts who testified before the Subcommittee on Intelligence and Counterterrorism on Thursday was that more violence from these groups was inevitable, and that Congress needs to act now by providing more oversight.

The Boogaloo movement, in particular, was a hot topic of discussion, and Thursday’s hearing was the first time it’s been discussed publicly by Congress. The loosely organized movement, which has pulled in libertarian anarchists, anti-government extremists, online shitposters, and a few white supremacists, started as a meme on weapons boards on 4chan and Reddit. In recent months, it’s made its way into the real world, and has been linked to several acts or plots of violence. Adherents of the movement, often called Boogaloo Bois, have shown up at protests against lockdowns and police brutality, typically armed to the teeth. Boogaloo is code for civil war.

Supporters started wearing Hawaiian shirts under their body armor and weapons, and the look went viral,” JJ MacNab, a fellow from the Program on Extremism at George Washington University and an expert on militia movements, told the committee Thursday. “Other militants started copying the shirt, patches, and jargon. For most, it was just an in-joke, a tribal aesthetic that separated those who were in the know from those who weren’t.”

"Supporters of the Boogaloo movement are generally very anti-law enforcement and have tried to position themselves as allies to Black Lives Matter. But critics have warned that they’re looking to exploit the racial justice protest movement to advance their own agenda, which is civil war.

The hearing, which was convened by New York Rep. Max Rose, a Democrat, shows that Congress isn't entirely asleep at the wheel when it comes to staying on top of new security threats. Rose has previously written to the Department of Homeland Security asking them to produce a threat assessment on the Boogaloo movement.

During the hearing, however, some Republicans continued to beat the drum about the alleged threat posed by antifa. Despite FBI data not supporting the notion that “antifa” poses a significant threat to public safety and that the U.S. does not have a domestic terror law, President Donald Trump has repeatedly threatened to designate antifa as a domestic terror group.


"We also must review others … groups like antifa — and I know these days that seems to be a conservative talking point,” said Rep. Mark Walker, of North Carolina, a ranking Republican on the committee. “Over the past three months, there has been a consistent effort by antifa supporters to infiltrate protests to lay siege to government buildings and target law enforcement.”

One witness, John Donohue, a fellow at Rutgers University Miller Center for Community Protection and Resiliency and a former NYPD chief of strategic initiatives, also underscored what he described as incendiary, violent rhetoric directed at law enforcement from the left.

Donohue said an upcoming research paper from Rutgers looked at the “exponential growth” in “online anti-police messaging” from the far-left. “The anti-government, anti-police messaging has broken into mainstream media and on Facebook and Twitter,” said Donohue. “Memes advocating the murder of law enforcement, and slogans found on the internet used by the far left were found scrawled on buildings and statues across America.”

But MacNab said that the obsession around antifa and the left was leaving law enforcement vulnerable to violence from the right.

“I think police have a bit of a blind spot for right-wing that they don’t have for the left,” she said. “If you look at any video of a street protest, for example in Portland or Seattle, you have a line of police officers separating left-wing protesters and right-wing protesters. If you watch, the police have their back to heavily-armed people standing behind them. They’re facing left-wing with the assumption that left-wing is what’s going to harm them. Whereas the people standing behind them have some pretty rabid anti-police ideas as well.”

Three Boogaloo Bois, for example, were arrested in late May for allegedly plotting an attack on infrastructure and bringing explosives to a Black Lives Matter protest in Las Vegas, which they wanted to throw at police to cause chaos and confusion. All three members had met on a large Facebook group, where members were sharing bomb-making recipes, and then peeled off into a smaller, more local online group, before organizing real-world meetups.

MacNab believes that the Boogaloo movement is too sprawling and incoherent for them to be able to form a “private army.” Her biggest concern is small cells, where supporters operate in groups of about three to five to plot acts of violence. Their size, and the fact that they aren’t necessarily coordinating with a centralized leadership, make them harder for law enforcement to intercept.

It’s clear from recent arrests that some supporters of the Boogaloo movement have already organized themselves in that way.

MacNab also cited a laundry list of factors driving the resurgence of violent anti-government militia movements, including renewed conversations about gun control, the COVID-19 pandemic, mainstreaming of “deep state” and anti-vaccine conspiracies, high unemployment rates, civil unrest, and divisiveness plaguing the upcoming 2020 election.

“I am concerned that there will be a shootout at one or more of the Black Lives Matter protests,” MacNab said. “There are too many guns at these events held by too many groups with conflicting goals.”

Cover: Boogaloo patches on a protester's gear in Richmond, Va., July 2020. Photo by Tess Owen for VICE News

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/z3eqbx/congress-just-got-an-earful-about-the-threat-of-the-boogaloo-movement
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 23, 2020, 02:17:23 AM
  Law Officers are Not Thugs. Portland has been under siege for Over 50 Consecutive Days. These Law Officers will Liberate Portland. As I have said, this is a WINNING Issue for Trump which explains the Dem Hysteria all day long. They know this, and they realize that Trump is expanding the Liberation. This Issue is making Trump the "Law & Order" POTUS Candidate vs the doddering "Fuzzy" Joe Biden. STARK Comparison = Easy Choice to make.

Law Officers are Not Thugs.

These are not law officers. Real law enforcement officers don't operate like that and wear identification.

These Law Officers will Liberate Portland

Real law officers do not liberate cities. They uphold the law, arrest people who commited a crime and prosecute them. They do not beat up people and kidnap them in unmarked vehicles.

They know this, and they realize that Trump is expanding the Liberation.

A liberation from what? Freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, freedom of protest, laws that are in place to protect people.... What the hell is he "liberating"?
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 23, 2020, 02:23:45 AM
   Guess you have missed ALL the people, (minors too), wearing MAGA Hats and Trump Shirts that have been physically assaulted. Guess you missed Dem. Maxine Waters getting on TV and urging people to CONFRONT Trump supporters. Guess You have missed Repub's that have been accosted from coast-to-coast in Restaurants, Movie Houses, Theme Parks, etc. This is what happens when you Rely on Fake News. You become Ignorant of what is happening across this country. Last night, CNN & MSNBC did NOT cover the carnage in Chi Town. I am here to INFORM YOU, it DID Happen! You're Welcome.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 23, 2020, 02:25:14 AM
  Law Officers are Not Thugs. Portland has been under siege for Over 50 Consecutive Days. These Law Officers will Liberate Portland. As I have said, this is a WINNING Issue for Trump which explains the Dem Hysteria all day long. They know this, and they realize that Trump is expanding the Liberation. This Issue is making Trump the "Law & Order" POTUS Candidate vs the doddering "Fuzzy" Joe Biden. STARK Comparison = Easy Choice to make.

Liberate Portland? Liberate Poland? We’ve seen this before.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 23, 2020, 02:25:55 AM
  Another victim of FAKE NEWS. These are Law Officers. You're Welcome.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Tom Scully on July 23, 2020, 02:27:29 AM
  Law Officers are Not Thugs. Portland has been under siege for Over 50 Consecutive Days. These Law Officers will Liberate Portland. As I have said, this is a WINNING Issue for Trump which explains the Dem Hysteria all day long. They know this, and they realize that Trump is expanding the Liberation. This Issue is making Trump the "Law & Order" POTUS Candidate vs the doddering "Fuzzy" Joe Biden. STARK Comparison = Easy Choice to make.

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https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/18/us/portland-arrests-federal-authorities/index.html
US attorney requests DHS investigation after video shows masked, camouflaged federal authorities arresting protesters in Portland
By Amir Vera, Konstantin Toropin and Josh Cam - July 20, 2020

So... the Mayor, Governor, both US Senators, congressional reps., and the local U.S. Attorney all disagree with your regurgitation of racist, Trump politically motivated evisceration of the Bill of Rights, the truth, and the history of Nixonian racial demonization as a political tool to repress free speech.

All of the above, except Trump and yourself, happen to either be in Oregon, or enjoy local contacts in that state far superior to your regurgitated, Trump campaign racist, political propaganda.

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.... Portland has been under siege for Over 50 Consecutive Days.

Can you and der bleater at least get on the same page? You claim unidentified "federal contractors" dressed in unidentified "camo" are "Law officers are not thugs", while the head-o-your-cult called elite FBI personnel, "traitors" deserving of the death penalty.

So which is it, the "Law officers are not thugs", are only the ones who carry out der bleater's contrived, political-propaganda-racist disruption?

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1131672516622209024
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Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 23, 2020, 02:29:03 AM
Royell Storing is nothing but a troll and a Trump fanatic. What's funny is Trump doesn't even give a damn about him or his fellow deplorables.

Joe Biden has already won this election. He has 280 locked in Electoral Votes. All people need to do is vote to make it happen and we can end this nightmare. Get people registered to vote and make sure they vote.     

Another reason Donald Trump is losing in a landslide is this:


Undecided Voters Overwhelmingly Prefer Biden

A new Reuters/Ipsos poll finds Joe Biden leading Donald Trump in the presidential race nationally, 46% to 38%.

Key findings: “The poll found that 61% of undecided or third-party registered voters said they would support Biden if they had to choose, while 39% would vote for Trump.”

“Seventy percent of undecided or third-party registered voters say they disapprove of Trump’s performance in office and the same number said they think the country is headed on the wrong track. And 62% said they thought the U.S. economy was headed in the wrong direction.”
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 23, 2020, 02:31:10 AM
  Another victim of FAKE NEWS. These are Law Officers. You're Welcome.

They are private security forces/mercenaries which explains no badging of any kind. You know this YET YOU LIE AGAIN. Propagandists such as YOU lie because you have no choice. Schooled again. You’re welcome.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 23, 2020, 02:37:39 AM
   Guess you have missed ALL the people, (minors too), wearing MAGA Hats and Trump Shirts that have been physically assaulted. Guess you missed Dem. Maxine Waters getting on TV and urging people to CONFRONT Trump supporters. Guess You have missed Repub's that have been accosted from coast-to-coast in Restaurants, Movie Houses, Theme Parks, etc. This is what happens when you Rely on Fake News. You become Ignorant of what is happening across this country. Last night, CNN & MSNBC did NOT cover the carnage in Chi Town. I am here to INFORM YOU, it DID Happen! You're Welcome.

Guess you have missed ALL the people, (minors too), wearing MAGA Hats and Trump Shirts that have been physically assaulted.

Yes I missed that... because it never happened.

Guess you missed Dem. Maxine Waters getting on TV and urging people to CONFRONT Trump supporters.

Was that around the same time that Trump frequently said "beat the crap out of them" or words to that effect?

Guess You have missed Repub's that have been accosted from coast-to-coast in Restaurants, Movie Houses, Theme Parks, etc.

Really.... You mean Sarah Sanders, right? Don't you know that claim turned out to be bogus?

I am here to INFORM YOU, it DID Happen!

Sure, if you say so... It isn't as if you haven't lied before, now? There is nothing you can inform me about. I already know.... You're the one who is ignorant.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 23, 2020, 02:37:48 AM
They gave themselves away. They gave their entire game plan away. They are literally creating a theater drama that is actually real life to instill fear that if Biden takes over the country this is what it will look like. That’s what this is all about.

https://twitter.com/kidsneedheroes2/status/1286078066649948166

This is all Donald Trump reality t.v. and Royell Storing is promoting it. Don't fall for the scam. Donald Trump is losing in a landslide. He is desperate to make people afraid so he can be a phony strongman pretending to restore "law and order" with his thugs.         
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 23, 2020, 02:41:52 AM
They are private security forces/mercenaries which explains no badging of any kind. You know this YET YOU LIE AGAIN. Propagandists such as YOU lie because you have no choice. Schooled again. You’re welcome.

   The above is Incorrect/WRONG. Another victim of Fake News. You act real nice and I might actually INFORM YOU.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 23, 2020, 02:45:06 AM
They gave themselves away. They gave their entire game plan away. They are literally creating a theater drama that is actually real life to instill fear that if Biden takes over the country this is what it will look like. That’s what this is all about.

https://twitter.com/kidsneedheroes2/status/1286078066649948166

This is all Donald Trump reality t.v. and Royell Storing is promoting it. Don't fall for the scam. Donald Trump is losing in a landslide. He is desperate to make people afraid so he can be a phony strongman pretending to restore "law and order" with his thugs.         

  What Actually HAPPENED in Chicago last night was NOT THEATER. It was REAL, People were SHOT. The Shot/Death numbers in Chicago the last 6 months are Record Breaking.   
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 23, 2020, 02:46:32 AM
   The above is Incorrect/WRONG. Another victim of Fake News. You act real nice and I might actually INFORM YOU.

Look outside your trailer and tell me the weather. That indeed is the only thing you could inform anybody about....and you’d likely lie doing even that. Do I need to AGAIN embarrass you about the insurgents in Portland? Yes or no will suffice.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 23, 2020, 02:48:54 AM
Donald Trump is a phony con man and his phony "law and order" stunt has been exposed as a fraud.

We still cannot allow his thugs to beat up and kidnap American citizens off the streets. This is fascism and American patriots will not allow it.

Vote for Joe Biden on November 3rd. Your entire life depends on it!


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Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 23, 2020, 02:51:22 AM
  What Actually HAPPENED in Chicago last night was NOT THEATER. It was REAL, People were SHOT. The Shot/Death numbers in Chicago the last 6 months are Record Breaking.

Donald Trump is a con man creating political theatre. Right wingers are using it to scare Americans and it has failed. This is political theatre 101. This is what dictators do and it's right out of Putin's playbook.     
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 23, 2020, 02:51:32 AM
   You got caught and now wantta horse around by claiming "insurgents"? Next time, KNOW what you are talking about.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 23, 2020, 02:52:57 AM
This is what Storing supports. In post-war Italy, during the Dirty Wars in Argentina, and in the leadup to Pinochet’s coup in Chile, militant right-wingers allied with factions of the state used times of upheaval to assert themselves as agents responsible for the return of "law and order," even carrying out black ops terrorist attacks impersonating the left to mobilize public opinion in favor of a strong state with their cronies in charge. It’s Trump’s last desperate attempt to keep his base intact.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 23, 2020, 02:54:10 AM
Donald Trump is a con man creating political theatre. Right wingers are using it to scare Americans and it has failed. This is political theatre 101. This is what dictators do and it's right out of Putin's playbook.   

   Trump "created" NOTHING last night in Chicago. He WILL make sure it gets Cleaned Up.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 23, 2020, 02:56:34 AM
   You got caught and now wantta horse around by claiming "insurgents"? Next time, KNOW what you are talking about.

Why don’t you and I debate LIVE for all on this forum to see and hear! You ran from my $1000 wager on the election itself so the question is: do you have any balls? You a man or one of those p—-ys Trump liked to grab?
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 23, 2020, 03:01:25 AM

   Your interpersonal skills are Nil. 
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 23, 2020, 03:01:57 AM
This is what Storing supports. In post-war Italy, during the Dirty Wars in Argentina, and in the leadup to Pinochet’s coup in Chile, militant right-wingers allied with factions of the state used times of upheaval to assert themselves as agents responsible for the return of "law and order," even carrying out black ops terrorist attacks impersonating the left to mobilize public opinion in favor of a strong state with their cronies in charge. It’s Trump’s last desperate attempt to keep his base intact.

When Hitler came to power he was cheered on by low educated, insecure, people who were unable to make anything out of their life by themselves. The village idiot suddenly became the person in charge in his community and wreaked havoc on it's people. They had no understanding of the bigger picture and they did not want to know what that picture was. Some of them started to understand just who they had supported, but by that time it was too late.

My grandfather told me stories about these people, and as I recall them I keep finding more and more similarities with Storing.... Very sad indeed!
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 23, 2020, 03:03:12 AM
   Your interpersonal skills are Nil.

Are you standing in front of a mirror again?

Btw, you painted that awful picture of Trump supporters being harassed. I'm beginning to worry about your personal safety in such a hostile environment.
I wonder, perhaps I should send some guys over and liberate you.....
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 23, 2020, 03:06:51 AM
  And you guys wonder why Trump supporters do Not participate in SURVEYS? Just look at the Abuse inflicted on me for speaking The Truth.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Martin Weidmann on July 23, 2020, 03:08:41 AM
  And you guys wonder why Trump supporters do Not participate in SURVEYS? Just look at the Abuse inflicted on me for speaking The Truth.

Get a dictionary... You are confused about what the word Truth means
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 23, 2020, 03:14:38 AM
Niemoller:

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 23, 2020, 03:18:29 AM
  And you guys wonder why Trump supporters do Not participate in SURVEYS? Just look at the Abuse inflicted on me for speaking The Truth.

Roflmao. Can’t make up this crap. NOW, just like the lunatic in the WH, Storing is playing the victim card. A dim witted idiot, not unlike his mentor playing the victim card!
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 23, 2020, 03:29:15 AM
The world is a different more complicated time than the 18th century. There’s a reason society requires the credentialing of people who make highly consequential decisions — lawyers through bar exams, doctors through board certifications and state licensing procedures. It’s the same reason airlines don’t put untrained pilots in the cockpit and pray that they’re quick learners; pilots pass rigorous tests of competence long before they start moving passengers. And yet the most critical job on earth has no test for measuring what other professions call “job knowledge” and “competency”. The Presidency of the United States. It may be time.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 23, 2020, 03:44:36 AM
Is this conspiracy theory possible?

Trump is at this moment using federalized Brownshirts to provoke riots in Portland, Kansas City, Chicago, Philadelphia, Boston and other places as excuses to:

1. Declare a state of emergency.
2. Impose marshal law using private security thugs.
3. Suspend the elections.
4. Establish himself as a permanent dictator.

It is equally clear that Wolf, Barr, Pompeo, Miller, McConnell, Nunes, several federal judges and numerous other traitors are active conspirators in this transparent plot.

If local urban police departments do not repulse Trump's invasions of their cities, America will be a police state before November.

American democracy is gasping for air like a 233 year old Covid patient.

Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 23, 2020, 03:56:18 AM

  What you see above is "Trump Derangement Syndrome". Endless Babble.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 23, 2020, 04:02:51 AM
  What you see above is "Trump Derangement Syndrome". Endless Babble.

Not a surprising response from THE most intellectually challenged societal misfit on this forum. Anti-American through his core. Schooled AGAIN. You’re welcome.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 23, 2020, 04:09:00 AM
Storing refuses to accept this FACT: With his limited mind, deficient heart and empty soul on full display, Trump is discovering that a man who declares "I alone can fix it" runs the risk of being blamed when everything breaks down. Schooled again. You’re welcome.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 23, 2020, 04:26:30 AM

   Excellent day for Trump. Dem's look foolish trying to Defend the carnage in Chicago + Over 50 straight days of Anarchy in Seattle. Biden? MIA Physically & Mentally. Trump 2020 Rolls On!
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 23, 2020, 04:50:09 AM
   Excellent day for Trump. Dem's look foolish trying to Defend the carnage in Chicago + Over 50 straight days of Anarchy in Seattle. Biden? MIA Physically & Mentally. Trump 2020 Rolls On!

Interesting. I assume this posting is directed towards Trump supporters you believe exist on this thread. Would you name them please.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 23, 2020, 05:05:29 AM
Interesting. I assume this posting is directed towards Trump supporters you believe exist on this thread. Would you name them please.

So, Storing AGAIN has run away and hidden from what I thought was an easy question, even for him. I said please. What more can I do?
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Royell Storing on July 23, 2020, 05:24:06 AM
Likely, Nazi’s are something you’re familiar with considering there’s a Nazi wannabe who you support currently in the WH. You consider destroying our constitution to be indicative of having a backbone? A man, not unlike you who has told the American people 20,000+ fact checked lies? Like Trump, YOU are a proven documented liar. Like Trump, you’re a racist. Like Trump, you’ve never served America. Fake news media? They simply replay Trump’s own words for the world to see. He’s a clown, no different than you. The only difference? You don’t have 2 nickels to rub together. You’re just one more red neck from Arkansas with an internet connection. Schooled again!

    And AFTER All of that Slanderous Venom above, this guy is Now begging me to answer a question he has?  ::) 
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Paul May on July 23, 2020, 05:50:15 AM
    And AFTER All of that Slanderous Venom above, this guy is Now begging me to answer a question he has?  ::)

Thought it was about time as you typically stick your head between your legs and kiss your ass good bye. Am I wrong? Btw, I’m not “this guy”. It’s above your pay grade. So, for the readers, answer the question.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 23, 2020, 06:18:05 AM
Trump has awakened a sleeping giant - and he’ll live to regret it

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According to Harry Enten, Joe Biden is currently leading the presidential race by historic margins in the suburbs.

Biden is up by a 52% to 43% margin among suburban voters in the ABC News/Washington Post poll…In the average of all the polls, Biden’s ahead by more than 15 points with suburban voters. This is a historic margin, if it holds…Four years ago at this time, Trump was beating Clinton by a 45% to 35% margin in the ABC/Washington Post poll among suburban voters…

If you were to go back over time, the exit poll data reveals that no Democrat has won the suburban vote by more than 5 points since at least 1972, when the first exit poll was taken in a presidential election…Back in 2008 (the best year for Democrats this century), Obama won in the suburbs by 2 points in the exit polls. The final ABC News/Washington Post poll had him winning in the suburbs by 5 points.

There are a couple of things to keep in mind about this data. The first is that the demographics of the suburbs are changing, as I documented a few months ago. No longer the exclusive destination of “white flight” that began in the 1960s, the suburban population is becoming more diverse both in terms of race and class.

Secondly, the “blue wave” of the 2018 midterms happened primarily in the suburbs. Of the 41 congressional districts that Democrats turned from red to blue that year, 38 were suburban. That was paired with the biggest gender gap in U.S. political history.

The term “resistance” has been used to describe everything from Black Lives Matter to the Bernie Sanders campaign. But we must never forget the role that women (especially mothers) played. It all started with the Women’s March the same weekend that Trump was inaugurated. As the research by Theda Skocpol and Vanessa Williamson documented, it didn’t end there.

…after they marched, many of them went home, held meetings, invited friends to the meetings, started Facebook groups to get more friends to the meetings, called their Congressional representatives, held letter-writing parties, flooded Town Halls, and, finally, figured out which Republicans in their town councils or county governments or state legislatures or congressional districts they wanted to get rid of—and sometimes, which Democrats…

As parents and often churchgoers, they have broad networks of family and friends. Maybe they recently retired and have time on their hands. Their groups shrank a bit over the summer, but Trump’s belligerent tweets and reckless executive orders have served as a kind of reveille, rallying at least some of the troops back to the flag.


As I wrote just prior to the 2018 midterms, even white evangelical mothers in Texas rebelled against Trump’s caging of immigrant children, leading one of them to say that “I care as much about babies at the border as I do about babies in the womb.”

It was the “Mothers of the Movement” that organized against police brutality after the killing of their unarmed children by law enforcement. One of them, Lucy McBath, was elected to Congress in 2018 to represent a district in suburban Georgia.

That’s why it didn’t surprise me that mothers showed up this weekend in Portland, Oregon—armed with face masks and bike helmets— to protest the actions of federal troops in that city.

The list of things Donald Trump has done to offend mothers in this country is long—not the least of which is his attempt to force their children back to school with no plan to keep them safe from a raging pandemic. As Skocpol and Williamson documented with their research, many of these mothers had never been involved in electoral politics before. The president and his Republican enablers have woken up a sleeping giant and the day will come when they rue the day they did so.
Title: Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
Post by: Rick Plant on July 23, 2020, 06:25:44 AM
Excellent day for Trump. Dem's look foolish trying to Defend the carnage in Chicago + Over 50 straight days of Anarchy in Seattle. Biden? MIA Physically & Mentally. Trump 2020 Rolls On!

And the delusion continues....COVID-19 rages out of control, record deaths & infections in 9 states, Biden's lead grows more in Georgia and Texas. Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsyvania are not battleground states, Trump humiliated himself on Fox talking incoherently about his "hard" cognitive test, hundred thousands more file for unemployment, Trump had a disastrous press conference, Americans are outraged thugs are occupying their streets.
And a 15 point Biden lead.  :)


What more proof do you need that this idiot has dementia?

Trump admits to Fox News that the 'memory' questions were the hardest for him in the cognitive test

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In an interview with Fox News Wednesday, President Donald Trump explained that he asked for doctors to give him the cognitive test, it wasn’t suggested by them.

The test is a 30-question, short-answer “test” that is supposed to detect any change in memory. Giving it once doesn’t generally give the broad spectrum of how one’s cognitive function has changed over time but asking Trump to identify an elephant seems like the baseline of mental acuity.

He said that there were many allegations and “fortunately none of them stuck,” but it prompted him to take the test.

“I said to the doctor, the doctor was Ronny Jackson, can I take a test,” Trump continued,

He said that there were many allegations and “fortunately none of them stuck,” but it prompted him to take the test.

“I said to the doctor, the doctor was Ronny Jackson, can I take a test,” Trump continued,

“The first questions are very easy. The last questions are much more difficult,” the president said.

Trump explained that it was the last question where he really struggled the most, ones to do with memory.

“Like a memory question, it would go, like you’ll go ‘person, woman, man, camera, TV,” he continued, noting that if he got it in order he got “extra points.”

The test went on, he said, and 10 or 15 minutes later they would ask the first question again and ask him to repeat it.

“They said if you get it in order you get extra points. They said, no one gets it in order. It’s actually not that easy, but for me it was easy.”

“If you’re in the office of the presidency, we have to be sharp,” Trump said. He has challenged Biden, who hasn’t exhibited any symptoms of having cognitive impairment, to also take the test. Trump’s allies have frequently mistaken Biden’s stutter for cognitive problems, however.

In dementia, short-term memory is usually among the first things patients suffer from. In Alzheimer’s, long-term memory is often less affected.

Watch the interview below:

TRUMP: I asked the doctor, I said, 'is there some kind of cognitive test that I could take?' ... the last questions are much more difficult. Like a memory question. You'll go 'person, woman, man, camera, TV.' So they say -- 'can you repeat that?' ... for me it was easy."

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1286101530928611328



Trump's details about his cognitive test are freaking people out: He can’t remember the name of the test he took for his memory

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On Wednesday, President Donald Trump bragged about his cognitive test again, but this time in a Fox News interview, he gave specifics, noting that the memory portion of the exam was the most difficult part for him, while also being easy.

“The first questions are very easy. The last questions are much more difficult,” the president said. “They said if you get it in order you get extra points. They said, no one gets it in order. It’s actually not that easy, but for me it was easy.”

A transcript:

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It was the kind of commentary that sent many to wonder if Trump fully understands what he’s saying, much less doing himself any favors.

Trump has spent the majority of the year attacking former Vice President Joe Biden for being mentally impaired in some way. He’s attacked his opponent “sleepy Joe,” and even launched campaign ads showing videos of Biden praying at a funeral to illustrate he is “too old” to be president. Trump’s former press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders even tried to paint Biden as mentally unfit because he has a stutter.

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Huckabee Sanders tried to claim she wasn’t talking about Biden’s stutter, but no one believed it and she ultimately had to delete both tweets. Biden responded, talking about his speech and urged “empathy."

@Joe Biden: I’ve worked my whole life to overcome a stutter. And it’s my great honor to mentor kids who have experienced the same. It’s called empathy. Look it up. https://twitter.com/SarahHuckabee/status/1207863935426322432

https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1207868810247757824

Regardless of the tactic, Trump and his team’s efforts haven’t worked, as polls continue to show Trump losing. Biden hasn’t taken the bait, leaving Trump to ramble about mental fitness in ways that folks online question as an indication that he’s the one that is losing it.

See the comments in link below:

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/07/trumps-details-about-his-cognitive-test-are-freaking-people-out-he-cant-remember-the-name-of-the-test-he-took-for-his-memory/



Hannity immediately contradicts Trump's grim admission about the pandemic

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Fox News host Sean Hannity on Tuesday evening appeared to contradict President Donald Trump’s admission at an earlier White House coronavirus briefing that the pandemic would grow worse.

Hannity told his primetime viewers that “the situation is getting better — not worse.” In a rare, somber moment hours earlier, Trump had told reporters that the pandemic “will get worse before it gets better.”

“That’s something I don’t like saying — but it is,” the president added.

That evening, Hannity, who on Monday was named as a co-defendant in a sexual misconduct lawsuit filed against the network, showered the president with praise. However, in an apparent continuation of his attempt to defend Trump, Hannity also directly contradicted the president:

By the way, President Trump never stopped working. The pandemic is not spiraling out of control, as they projected nightly. It is the worst pandemic since 1918. Losing one life is way too many.

The situation is getting better — not worse. And, by the way, none of these people on TV — and no Democrats — supported the travel ban 10 days after the first identified case of coronavirus, then the subsequent travel bans and the first quarantine in over 50 years. That alone — huge decisions that save lives. This administration has fulfilled every request from every state governor.


New York Times data earlier that day showed that the country had seen more than 1,100 deaths and more than 65,000 new cases in the previous 24 hours. In that time, the total number of reported U.S. deaths passed 142,000, and infections closed in on 4 million.

The previous week was the first to show a net increase in reported U.S. deaths since mid-April.

That same month, the University of Chicago published a study which found that “greater viewership of ‘Hannity’ relative to ‘Tucker Carlson Tonight’ was strongly associated with a greater number of COVID-19 cases and deaths in the early stages of the pandemic.”

Trump has downplayed the pandemic from the outset. Among numerous other instances and patterns, he compared it falsely to the flu; claimed numerous times that it would “miraculously” vanish in April “with the heat”; predicted that the country’s 15 reported cases would soon zero out; urged states to reopen their economies in defiance of guidance from his own health experts; attacked Democratic governors who would not move at the pace he demanded; chalked up his country’s world-leading case count to expanded testing; routinely misled the country with false claims about statistics and models; pushed for schools to reopen amid rising death counts; and refused to wear a mask until recent days, even though his administration’s own research-based guidelines first laid out in April.

However, in his first White House coronavirus briefing in months, Trump, with his numbers plummeting in recent Fox News polling, appeared to concede that he was tethered to a grim reality. He encouraged Americans to wear masks, and at one point showed off his own navy blue face covering bearing the presidential seal. However, he did not personally demonstrate it.

“Whether you like the mask or not, they have an impact,” he said, later adding: “I’m getting used to the mask.”

But Hannity, who often communicates directly with Trump and has been thought to at times exert a degree of influence on policy, did not seem to get the message.

The host instead attacked Democratic officials and news outlets for being selectively pessimistic and ignoring positive developments, such as heartening reports about progress on a vaccine — a story that all national outlets have covered, including Salon.

Fox News generally has served for months as a bastion of coronavirus misinformation, a reliable presidential redoubt from the slings and arrows of facts. A Media Matters audit of the cable network in May showed its coronavirus coverage had declined 20% over two months, while other networks rarely eased back.

Earlier this month, the media watchdog rolled out another study, which found that Fox News had peddled misinformation about the pandemic 253 times in the span of five days, 35% of which came from the “straight news” side of the network.

Watch the Hannity clip via Media Matters in link below:
 
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Trump is showing Republicans like Matt Gaetz how to master the art of corruption: biographer David Cay Johnston

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Donald Trump, David Cay Johnston, explained that there is so much corruption in the White House under his leadership that he never fully learned that he can’t use companies as an extension of himself.

“If you or I go on a reporting trip and find a lamp we’d like to buy for our living room, we know you don’t put that on your expense account,” Johnston explained. “Donald doesn’t think that way. There is no staff in his — ‘what’s the business, what’s the government.’ It’s all him, and that is why he sees nothing wrong at all with what I think are very clear violations of the Emoluments Clause with the money he is receiving through the businesses from foreign governments and these aren’t foreign governments that are casually stopping by and having a cup of coffee somewhere.”

He went on to cite the countries who rented out full floors at Trump’s hotels, the president’s pitch to host the G7 Summit (which has now been canceled) at his property in Florida, and the military’s use of Trump Turnberry as a stopping-off point in Scottland for “refueling.”
refueling.”

“Trump’s company applied to trademark the term ‘telerally,'” noted MSNBC host Joy Reid. “He’s trying to make money out off of and having a television rally. That sounds insane, but is he not just teaching future presidents that this is like a, you know, the $475,000 you get paid, that’s nothing. You can get rich doing this!”

Investigative reporter David Fahrenthold explained that for presidents prior to Trump, it had been a kind of “honor system,” and people would do the right thing because that’s what president’s should do. With Trump, the system has become more about trying to get away with whatever he can.

“Trump’s been really good at exploiting the honor systems,” he continued. “He comes into a system where everybody obeys the rules because they worry about how it looks, about what’s right and wrong, and he doesn’t pay attention to those things. He reaps a huge advantage by doing a thing the people don’t expect. There’s not a lot of conflict of interest laws. It’s sort of what that president believes is right and what the public and voters will tolerate. He’s gone a long way down, violating his owns promises about what he would do. If he gets thrown out of office this year, and people think that the way he chose to mix his and his presidency was part of that, maybe it’s his message to future presidents. Maybe it’s if you do this, you can get away with it, at least for your first time.”

Reid agreed, noting that if someone has “no honor,” then you can’t have an “honor system.” She also noted that Trump is teaching others how to do it with people like Brad Parscale making millions of MAGA donors as well as people like Matt Gaetz, who was caught funneling taxpayer dollars to his pals for a “home studio” so he can do television appearances.

“Well, if he wants to spend his own money and have a studio, I’m fine with that,” said Johnston. “But taxpayers absolutely not. And this is spreading from Trump. I mean like the virus, hop-scotching across the country on jetliners. Trump’s immoral abuse of taxpayers is spreading throughout the administration.”

He went on to cite the private jets being used by Trump’s secre