Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2

[Martin Weidmann]

If you were intelligent enough to understand English, I never said that the US was a fascist state.  I asked if you and your fellow Trump devotees wanted to see the U.S. turn  into a fascist state. Seems you do.

Indeed... Richard is all for it. A classic Nazi wannabe if I ever saw one.

Reminds me of the fish that wants to drink the pool he swims in.

[Ray Mitcham]

Perhaps, Richard should read and inwardly digest the following.
https://www.salon.com/2020/09/21/psychiatrist-robert-jay-lifton-trumps-attempts-to-falsify-reality-follows-pattern-of-the-nazis/

[Richard Smith]

If you were intelligent enough to understand English, I never said that the US was a fascist state.  I asked if you and your fellow Trump devotees wanted to see the U.S. turn  into a fascist state. Seems you do.

Right.  You have made allegations that the President, his supporters. and much of the US government is fascist or using fascist tactics.  But not the entire US! Like those rioters who are exercising their right to burn and loot.  LOL.  So it's just all those you disagree with that are fascists?  Got it.  How open minded of you.  If there is an election with results that you don't like, you blame it on the constitutional process (even though dems supported it prior to the election).  It's apparently fine to use the power of the government to arrest political partisans of Trump.  Even swarm their homes with a tactical SWAT team in the night. That is justice.  But suggest arresting any democrat and it somehow becomes fascism or a banana republic.  Always changing the rules of the game to fit your own preconceived views.  I would be careful tossing around words like fascism without understanding it.  That kind of baseless and reckless disregard for the term devalues it in those situations where it might one day be applicable.  Like when someone tries to pack the supreme court to quash dissenting voices, or changes the rules of an election to undermine democracy, or outlaws the ability to go to work, school, or church, to create chaos for political purposes but allows abortions and riots.  Only one things matters to a Trump hater.  Blaming everything on him.  The truth or facts are only secondary.

[Martin Weidmann]

Right.  You have made allegations that the President, his supporters. and much of the US government is fascist or using fascist tactics.  But not the entire US! Like those rioters who are exercising their right to burn and loot.  LOL.  So it's just all those you disagree with that are fascists?  Got it.  How open minded of you.  If there is an election with results that you don't like, you blame it on the constitutional process (even though dems supported it prior to the election).  It's apparently fine to use the power of the government to arrest political partisans of Trump.  Even swarm their homes with a tactical SWAT team in the night. That is justice.  But suggest arresting any democrat and it somehow becomes fascism or a banana republic.  Always changing the rules of the game to fit your own preconceived views.  I would be careful tossing around words like fascism without understanding it.  That kind of baseless and reckless disregard for the term devalues it in those situations where it might one day be applicable.  Like when someone tries to pack the supreme court to quash dissenting voices, or changes the rules of an election to undermine democracy, or outlaws the ability to go to work, school, or church, to create chaos for political purposes but allows abortions and riots.  Only one things matters to a Trump hater.  Blaming everything on him.  The truth or facts are only secondary.

You have made allegations that the President, his supporters. and much of the US government is fascist or using fascist tactics.

They are! Remember those "fine people" armed with automatic weapons who stormed the Capitol in Michigan? How does that fit in your idea of a democracy?

But not the entire US! Like those rioters who are exercising their right to burn and loot.

Strawman! Anybody who riots, burns and loots is not exercising their rights.

So it's just all those you disagree with that are fascists?  Got it.

No, you don't get it at all. Anybody who tries to undermine the Constitution, who uses his Attorney General as his own henchman, calls outlets that disagree with him "fake news" etc etc etc and those who openly support that are fascists.

It's apparently fine to use the power of the government to arrest political partisans of Trump.

When they have broken the law and confess to doing so (that's the detail you ignore), yes it's fine to arrest them

Even swarm their homes with a tactical SWAT team in the night. That is justice.

Executing a no knock warrant and killing Breonna Taylor... That's justice to you, right?
Shooting an unarmed guy seven times in the back in front of his kids..... All in a day's work, right?

I would be careful tossing around words like fascism without understanding it.  That kind of baseless and reckless disregard for the term devalues it in those situations where it might one day be applicable. 

We'll find out soon enough, if Trump gets re-elected.

The United States Holocaust Memorial Museum quotes the following text ;

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out —  Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out —  Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out  —  Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.


Like when someone tries to pack the supreme court to quash dissenting voices,

As Trump wants to do

or changes the rules of an election to undermine democracy,

As Trump wants to do in so many different ways

or outlaws the ability to go to work, school, or church

To save people from dying from Covid-19? .... That's not what Trump is doing. He couldn't care less just how many die from the virus, as long as he can claim economic recovery.

to create chaos for political purposes

As Trump is doing

but allows abortions and riots.

The law allows abortions!

When are you going to comprehend that all of this is happening on Trump's watch. He is the one in charge! You can try to blame the Democrats all you want, but the bottom line is that Trump is President. He is responsible for what's happening in the country!


The truth or facts are only secondary.

You are clueless about what the truth is.... You can't even admit what you really are!

All you can do is whine, like a cry baby.... The extreme right always likes to play the victim. It's pathetic!

[Richard Smith]

You have made allegations that the President, his supporters. and much of the US government is fascist or using fascist tactics.

They are! Remember those "fine people" armed with automatic weapons who stormed the Capitol in Michigan? How does that fit in your idea of a democracy?

But not the entire US! Like those rioters who are exercising their right to burn and loot.

Strawman! Anybody who riots, burns and loots is not exercising their rights.

So it's just all those you disagree with that are fascists?  Got it.

No, you don't get it at all. Anybody who tries to undermine the Constitution, who uses his Attorney General as his own henchman, etc etc etc and those who openly support that are fascists.

It's apparently fine to use the power of the government to arrest political partisans of Trump.

When they have broken the law and confess to doing so (that's the detail you ignore), yes it's fine to arrest them

Even swarm their homes with a tactical SWAT team in the night. That is justice.

Executing a no knock warrant and killing Breonna Taylor... That's justice to you, right?
Shooting an unarmed guy seven times in the back in front of his kids..... All in a day's work, right?

I would be careful tossing around words like fascism without understanding it.  That kind of baseless and reckless disregard for the term devalues it in those situations where it might one day be applicable. 

We'll find out soon enough, if Trump gets re-elected.

The United States Holocaust Memorial Museum quotes the following text ;

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out —  Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out —  Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out  —  Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.


Like when someone tries to pack the supreme court to quash dissenting voices,

As Trump wants to do

or changes the rules of an election to undermine democracy,

As Trump wants to do in so many different ways

or outlaws the ability to go to work, school, or church

To save people from dying from Covid-19? .... That's not what Trump is doing. He couldn't care less just how many die from the virus, as long as he can claim economic recovery.

to create chaos for political purposes

As Trump is doing

but allows abortions and riots.

The law allows abortions! Nobody allows riots!

The truth or facts are only secondary.

You are clueless about what the truth is.... You can't even admit what you really are!

All you can do is whine, like a cry baby.... The extreme right always likes to play the victim. It's pathetic!

So many words.  Let's summarize. 

Trump = Holocaust (incredibly demeaning to those that died and their families).

Abortion = legal but obviously many other "legal" activities like going to work, school, cancer screenings, or church were deemed to entail a safety risk according to the socialists and prohibited.  The point is that there are only certain "legal" activities the dems allowed during the pandemic and they had nothing to do with safety.  They were politically driven to bring as much pain to those that work and go to church (i.e. Trump supporters) as possible for political purposes.  The results demonstrated that shutdowns, if anything, only increased the number of deaths.  NYC is a classic example.

Packing the court = replacing a sitting justice.  Roger/Martin doesn't understand the obvious difference between replacing a justice that has died with increasing the total number of justices to overwhelm dissenting voices (i.e. "court packing" - try looking up FDR if you don't understand why this is dangerous).

Protests and riots are different = not when the dems refuse to allow the police to govern these events, the rioters go unpunished for political reasons, and local governments fail to enforce the laws resulting in the destruction of private property, assaults, and murder.  Peaceful protests become the vehicle for riots.  Ask the folks in Portland, Chicago, and Seattle how these events are benefitting their communities.  Better yet why not visit these socialist utopias yourself and see if you can escape with your life?  No?  You just want to lecture others about their beliefs.  Typical hypocrite.  I can see why Old Joe is your guy.  Can't wait to hear his line of attack against a Catholic nominee to the Supreme Court based on her views on abortion.  Old Joe is a Catholic too.  Right?  So he would presumably share those religious views unless he was a hypocrite.

[Martin Weidmann]

So many words.  Let's summarize. 

Trump = Holocaust (incredibly demeaning to those that died and their families).

You are the one making that inflammatory comparision, like the pathetic drama queen you are.

There is a difference between fascism and the holocaust.

Abortion = legal but obviously many other "legal" activities like going to work, school, cancer screenings, or church were deemed to entail a safety risk according to the socialists and prohibited.  The point is that there are only certain "legal" activities the dems allowed during the pandemic and they had nothing to do with safety.  They were politically driven to bring as much pain to those that work and go to church (i.e. Trump supporters) as possible for political purposes.  The results demonstrated that shutdowns, if anything, only increased the number of deaths.  NYC is a classic example.

but obviously many other "legal" activities like going to work, school, cancer screenings, or church were deemed to entail a safety risk according to the socialists and prohibited.

An absurd and dishonest generalization.

They were politically driven to bring as much pain to those that work and go to church (i.e. Trump supporters) as possible for political purposes.

More whining... So, according to you only Trump supporters go to work and church? Really?.... Just how pathetic are you? The lockdown and covid-19 safety measures affected everybody, but only the right wing Trump supporters whined about their rights being taken away.....never giving a second thought to how their selfish behavior might infringe on the rights of others.

The results demonstrated that shutdowns, if anything, only increased the number of deaths.  NYC is a classic example.

Actually, no they didn't. The lack of decisive action did. The shutdowns did not come soon enough. Highly populated areas were simply overwhelmed by a rapidly spreading virus, which Trump played down for months!. When the shutdowns began a lot of people were already infected, without showing symptoms. And when you put infected people in lockdown with healthy ones, that's when it goes wrong. In Europe there were lockdowns as well and they were not only timely but also limited the possibility of the virus to spread. And for the three months it lasted, nobody complained because the entire population understood the danger and did what needed to be done. 

Packing the court = replacing a sitting justice.  Roger/Martin doesn't understand the obvious difference between replacing a justice that has died with increasing the total number of justices to overwhelm dissenting voices (i.e. "court packing" - try looking up FDR if you don't understand why this is dangerous).

First of all, there is nothing wrong with replacing a justice who has died, but there is something wrong with refusing to do so in 2016, because it was an election year, as the Republicans did back then, and now doing the opposite. As for the size of the court, there is and never was a fixed number of justices. When the Republicans ignore their own rule from 2016 and rush this appointment through, why should the Democrats, when they get back in power (and they will), not be allowed to reduce the impact of the Republican hypocrisy by adopting countermeasures? Have you forgotten that the Republicans changed the configuration of the court for more than one year, in 2016/2017? But the mere fact that you already are in full panic mode about that possibility is telling.

There is only one reason for rushing this thing and that's the fear of the Republicans that they won't get an opportunity after the election, because they will have lost the Presidency and the Senate majority.

And finally, you really shouldn't be talking about dissenting voices when the right wing appointed justices are already in the majority. Another fine example of playing the victim!

Protests and riots are different = not when the dems refuse to allow the police to govern these events, the rioters go unpunished for political reasons, and local governments fail to enforce the laws resulting in the destruction of private property, assaults, and murder.  Peaceful protests become the vehicle for riots.  Ask the folks in Portland, Chicago, and Seattle how these events are benefitting their communities.  Better yet why not visit these socialist utopias yourself and see if you can escape with your life?  No?  You just want to lecture others about their beliefs.  Typical hypocrite.  I can see why Old Joe is your guy.  Can't wait to hear his line of attack against a Catholic nominee to the Supreme Court based on her views on abortion.  Old Joe is a Catholic too.  Right?  So he would presumably share those religious views unless he was a hypocrite.

Protests and riots are different

Of course they are. Protest is a legal right (you should be defending that) and riots are a crime.

= not when the dems refuse to allow the police to govern these events, the rioters go unpunished for political reasons, and local governments fail to enforce the laws resulting in the destruction of private property, assaults, and murder.

Where did rioters go unpunished for political reasons and which local government has failed to enfored the law?
Give me one solid verifiable example! I bet you can't...

Peaceful protests become the vehicle for riots.

So, let's do away with peaceful protests?... Is that what you are saying? Taking away people's right to protest is fascism!

Btw.. those guys with automatic weapons that stormed the Capitol in Michigan, was that a peaceful protest?

Better yet why not visit these socialist utopias yourself and see if you can escape with your life?

More hyperbole. It's obvious that you haven't been there yourself and are only repeating the BS Fox News feeds you.

A friend of mine lives in Portland.... the riots are downtown in a one block area. Everywhere else things are normal. The whole thing centers around one building!

You just want to lecture others about their beliefs.  Typical hypocrite.

The one doing the lecturing is you. You have a right to believe what you want. I just don't have to agree with you. You even have a right to be the fascist that you are, but you don't have the right to act like one and infringe on the rights of others.

I can see why Old Joe is your guy.  Can't wait to hear his line of attack against a Catholic nominee to the Supreme Court based on her views on abortion.  Old Joe is a Catholic too.  Right?  So he would presumably share those religious views unless he was a hypocrite.

So, if you are a Catholic you have to be against abortion? Is that what you are saying? Pathetic.... 

You are supporting a guy who had a peaceful protest broken up by Barr's goons so he could hold a bible upside down..... Says it all really...

[Zeon Mason]

I agree with Richard , yet I am a CT