Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )

[Walt Cakebread]

The officer had his gun on Oswald. And asked me if he was an employee. I answered yes. We then went
up the stairs to the 5th floor..."

We then went up the stairs to the 5th floor..."

Notice that Truly said nothing about stopping on "either the third or fourth floor" , but he did say they continued their climb up the stairs to the FIFTH FLOOR.

I believe the fifth floor is the site where Baker spotted a man trying to avoid being seen who was walking away from the stairs, near the elevators in a dimly lit room.   

There is another part of the story that I've always had trouble accepting as true.    I doubt that Baker and Truly ran across the shipping room on the first floor and yelled for the elevator to be released.    Eddie Piper was right there on the first floor at the coffee pot, which was not far from the elevators and he said nothing in his affidavit about witnessing any such activity.   

In his Warren Commission cover up committe testimony he did say that he saw a similar event but he described Baker who was dressed in the uniform of a motorcycle officer with a large white helmet as " either a police officer or an FBI man" 

It's highly unlikely that Piper would describe a motor cycle cop as an FBI man......  I believe Piper was recalling the so called re-enactment when he thought that Baker might have been an FBI man.

I have been employed as janitor for the Texas School book Depository for a little over 4 years. I do the packing of the books as well as lock up at night. I came to work yesterday about 10:00 AM and I worked until 2:00 PM. There has been a man that I know only as "Lee" who has been working there about 5 weeks. He fills the orders and I pack the orders. Yesterday at about 12:00 Noon, this fello Lee says to me, "I'm going up to eat" and I went on to my lunch. I went to the front window on the first floor and ate my lunch and waited to see the President's parade go by. I saw the President pass and heard some shots and looked at the clock there and saw it was 12:55PM. The shots seemed to me like they came from up inside the building. It was about 1:00 PM when the police made us vacate the building and as we were being checked out, I noticed that "Lee" wasn't with us and I mentioned to some of the employees there checking out that Lee wasn't there and somebody said, he must have already gone out. This man Lee has never talked much to anyone and hardly said anything to me. He kept pretty much to himself and hardly even answer when I would say "Goodmorning".

/s/Eddie Piper

Subscribed and sworn to before me on this th 23rd day of November A.D. 1963

Notice that Piper says nothing about seeing a large motorcycle officer running through the 1st floor shipping room.   Could Piper have failed to notice Baker who had on a shiny white motorcycle helmet, and was yelling for an elevator to be turned loose???

[Alan Ford]

Poor old Alan.
Let's put you out of your misery.
The following is an excerpt from Roy Truly's affidavit given on the day after the assassination:

"The officer and I went through the
shipping dept to the freight elevator. We then
started up the stair way. We hit the
second floor landing, the officer stuck his head
into the lunch room area where there
are coke and candy machines. Lee
Oswald was in there. The officer had his
gun on Oswald. And asked me if he was an
employee. I answered yes. We then went
up the stairs to the 5th floor..."

In your "analysis" you like to forget Truly was also present don't you.
Oh dear...

 

The one where Mr O'Meara tries to refute the idea that Witness X is lying by giving us a quote from------Witness X

Good enough for the LNers, I guess

[Dan O'meara]

The one where Mr O'Meara tries to refute the idea that Witness X is lying by giving us a quote from------Witness X

Good enough for the LNers, I guess

Truly gave this affidavit the day after the assassination.
This affidavit contains the second floor lunchroom encounter.
Are you really suggesting your fake Hoax is in place that quickly?

[Alan Ford]

Truly gave this affidavit the day after the assassination.
This affidavit contains the second floor lunchroom encounter.
Are you really suggesting your fake Hoax is in place that quickly?

~Yawn~

The one where Mr O'Meara plays dumb and pretends he never read Reply #876

[Dan O'meara]

~Yawn~

The one where Mr O'Meara plays dumb and pretends he never read Reply #876

Oh yeah, this gem:

"The lunchroom story was concocted at some point late 11/22 in order to get Mr Oswald away from that front entrance----------and to explain away the man encountered walking away from the stairway halfway up the building."

So, as I understand it, the boys from the DPD sat around into the late hours of the 22nd wondering how they could get Oswald away from the front entrance and explain away the encounter with the man on the 3rd/4th floor and it never occurred to them to simply say the man on the 3rd/4th floor was Oswald.
Oh no, rather than do something so straight-forward they decided to move the encounter down a floor or two (making it almost impossible for Oswald to get down there in time for the encounter).
Now why would they do that?
Why wouldn't they simply say the man Baker encountered on the 3rd/4th floor was Oswald?
Help me to understand Alan.

[Dan O'meara]

Oh yeah, what about the report of officer Marvin Johnson, one of DPD's finest:

"When Patrolman M. L. Baker identified Lee Harvey Oswald as the man he stopped in the Texas School Book Depository Building, Patrolman Baker was in the Homicide Bureau giving an affidavit and Oswald was brought into the room to talk to some Secret Service men. When Baker saw Oswald he stated, "That is the man I stopped on the 4th floor of the School Book depository."

So, let me get this straight...
The DPD have concocted this story to get Oswald away from the front entrance and to explain the man Baker saw on the 3rd/4th floor.
They do this by creating a whole new scenario set in the second floor lunchroom, moving Oswald further away from the 6th floor.
Then Johnson, a DPD officer, reports Baker identified the man he saw on the 4th floor as Oswald.

What's going on here Alan?
What kind of Hoax is this?

[Walt Cakebread]

Oh yeah, what about the report of officer Marvin Johnson, one of DPD's finest:

"When Patrolman M. L. Baker identified Lee Harvey Oswald as the man he stopped in the Texas School Book Depository Building, Patrolman Baker was in the Homicide Bureau giving an affidavit and Oswald was brought into the room to talk to some Secret Service men. When Baker saw Oswald he stated, "That is the man I stopped on the 4th floor of the School Book depository."

So, let me get this straight...
The DPD have concocted this story to get Oswald away from the front entrance and to explain the man Baker saw on the 3rd/4th floor.


They do this by creating a whole new scenario set in the second floor lunchroom, moving Oswald further away from the 6th floor.
Then Johnson, a DPD officer, reports Baker identified the man he saw on the 4th floor as Oswald.

What's going on here Alan?
What kind of Hoax is this?

Although I vehemently disagree with Mr Ford about the fabrication of the lunchroom encounter, I believe we should thank him for opening the door for discussion about Baker's affidavit.    We have determined that Baker could NOT have been referring to either the 3rd or 4th floor as the place where he encountered a suspicious acting  man who was NOT Lee Oswald.