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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2737 on: October 24, 2023, 10:45:55 AM »
In the pic below I've boxed off what I thought were the right raised arm of Lady#2 and her left lowered arm.



No, here's what you actually wrote (emphasis added):

In the pic below the woman you identified is in the orange box.



You mistook the woman's raised right arm for her face.

Just before this, you had written, with reference to Towner, "we should be able to see the woman dressed in black, with her arm raised, waving something". This was a poor assumption, because it failed to consider that from Miss Towner's POV Lady #1 (lady in black) would be blocked from view by Lady #2.

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Now let's cut to the chase.

When the flag in Towner is at higher elevation (last frame in the sequence below), it shows BEHIND the man in khaki's head. At this same precise instant, there is nothing------nada, zilcho-------by way of fluttering/waving object visible behind that man's head in Bell. The fluttering from the lady in black's hand is NOT anywhere near far enough west to go behind the man's head, such that it will show up in Towner behind his head. In fact, we can clearly see the white stone of the window grid area back in the TSBD behind both of them.



Therefore, the fluttering coming from the lady in black's hand cannot possibly be responsible for the waving object we see in Towner. That waving object is coming from the west part of the doorway, and the person responsible for it is a man in a red shirt who, in pumping the object up and down, is energetically putting his body into the action:



In your solution--------



--------you mistook the flag for Lady #1's hand, and the man's red shirt for her raised right arm.

The good news is that you can undo this error in an instant by no longer mistaking the flag for Lady #1's hand, and the man's red shirt for her raised right arm.
« Last Edit: October 24, 2023, 11:03:40 AM by Alan Ford »

Offline Dan O'meara

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2738 on: October 24, 2023, 11:44:26 AM »
No, here's what you actually wrote (emphasis added):

You mistook the woman's raised right arm for her face.

Just before this, you had written, with reference to Towner, "we should be able to see the woman dressed in black, with her arm raised, waving something". This was a poor assumption, because it failed to consider that from Miss Towner's POV Lady #1 (lady in black) would be blocked from view by Lady #2.

**

Now let's cut to the chase.

When the flag in Towner is at higher elevation (last frame in the sequence below), it shows BEHIND the man in khaki's head. At this same precise instant, there is nothing------nada, zilcho-------by way of fluttering/waving object visible behind that man's head in Bell. The fluttering from the lady in black's hand is NOT anywhere near far enough west to go behind the man's head, such that it will show up in Towner behind his head. In fact, we can clearly see the white stone of the window grid area back in the TSBD behind both of them.



Therefore, the fluttering coming from the lady in black's hand cannot possibly be responsible for the waving object we see in Towner. That waving object is coming from the west part of the doorway, and the person responsible for it is a man in a red shirt who, in pumping the object up and down, is energetically putting his body into the action:



In your solution--------



--------you mistook the flag for Lady #1's hand, and the man's red shirt for her raised right arm.

The good news is that you can undo this error in an instant by no longer mistaking the flag for Lady #1's hand, and the man's red shirt for her raised right arm.

You seem to be misunderstanding what I'm pointing out so I'd like to take it step by step to make sure we're discussing the same thing.
In the pic below have I correctly boxed off the two arms of Lady#2



Now this is a yes/no answer [I know how you hate those].
I have either correctly boxed off her arms or I haven't - which is it?

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2739 on: October 24, 2023, 11:52:41 AM »
You seem to be misunderstanding what I'm pointing out so I'd like to take it step by step to make sure we're discussing the same thing.
In the pic below have I correctly boxed off the two arms of Lady#2



Now this is a yes/no answer [I know how you hate those].
I have either correctly boxed off her arms or I haven't - which is it?

Yes!  Thumb1:

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2740 on: October 24, 2023, 11:57:31 AM »
Yes!  Thumb1:

And do you agree that in the Bell film just behind Lady#2 and to her right (our left as we look at it), there is Lady#1, dressed in black with her arm raised?

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2741 on: October 24, 2023, 12:13:06 PM »
And do you agree that in the Bell film just behind Lady#2 and to her right (our left as we look at it), there is Lady#1, dressed in black with her arm raised?

Yes, to the viewer of Bell, Lady #1 appears left of Lady #2  Thumb1:

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2742 on: October 24, 2023, 12:45:12 PM »
Yes, to the viewer of Bell, Lady #1 appears left of Lady #2  Thumb1:

And do you agree that in Towner, just behind Lady#2 (who we have already identified) and to her right (or left as we look at it) is a figure dressed in black with their arm raised?
I've clumsily tried to highlight this person in the pic below:


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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2743 on: October 24, 2023, 12:53:25 PM »
And do you agree that in Towner, just behind Lady#2 (who we have already identified) and to her right (or left as we look at it) is a figure dressed in black with their arm raised?
I've clumsily tried to highlight this person in the pic below:



No. Lady #1 is comprehensively obscured from Towner's view by Lady #2

What you think is the raised right arm of Lady #1 is in fact the red shirt of the man in the doorway
« Last Edit: October 24, 2023, 12:55:29 PM by Alan Ford »