Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )

[Dan O'meara]

Good grief.

Last time we sparred in this thread, I actually had to explain to you that standing on a box can make a man appear taller than if he is standing on the floor. It took a while for you to absorb this esoteric insight, and there was much huffing and puffing from you before you finally surrendered to reality, but we got there in the end.

Now I have to explain to you how POV (= point of view) works.

Hmmm.... How to explain it in a way even you might understand?

Let's try this: We see so much more of Mr. Danny Arce behind Cowboy Man in Bell than in Towner. How can this possibly be? Have you any idea, Mr. O'Meara? That's right------it's POV. Miss Towner's POV is very different to Mr. Bell's.



Now listen up real carefully. This is the science bit....................

Given that the SYNCED Bell frames are clearly showing the fluttering coming from the lady in black's hand to be noticeably to the EAST of the head of the man in khaki's head--------



---------then there is simply no way on earth that the SYNCED Towner frames are going to show that same fluttering MUCH LESS EAST of, and in fact part of the time DIRECTLY BEHIND, the head of the man in khaki:



It's a physical impossibility.

Now, let me help you further out of the latest compound hallucination into which you've fallen.

Because of Miss Towner's POV------------which, in case you missed it last time I explained it, is DIFFERENT to Mr. Bell's-------------the lady in black standing behind the others is blocked from view by the lady in front. (If this confuses you, think of it as a more ample eclipse than the one Cowboy Man is inflicting on Mr. Danny Arce in the same Towner frames.)

You never considered this, did you? That's because you don't understand POV, isn't it?

And your inability to understand how POV works has led you, in your amateur-hour Towner IDs--------



---------to misunderstand where Lady #2 actually is in Towner, and to completely misunderstand where Lady #1 is.

If you want to stop misunderstanding where these ladies are in Towner, then use as your Bell reference points Lady #2's unsleeved, lowered left arm and her unsleeved, raised right arm:



Can you find them? Splendid! Yay you!

Now take a good close look at the synced Towner frames and see if you can find these same two arms:



Once you have found them, the rest will fall into place.

Which will leave you having to find some fresh topic on which to wade in with your kneejerk contrarian nonsense.

 

---------to misunderstand where Lady #2 actually is in Towner, and to completely misunderstand where Lady #1 is.

Okay, I get you know.
I've completely misunderstood where Lady#2 is, even though you pointed her out yourself.
In the pic below I've boxed off what I thought were the right raised arm of Lady#2 and her left lowered arm.



As I've got that wrong can you please use your legendary photo-analytical skills and point out where she is.

[Alan Ford]

In the pic below I've boxed off what I thought were the right raised arm of Lady#2 and her left lowered arm.

No, here's what you actually wrote (emphasis added):

In the pic below the woman you identified is in the orange box.

You mistook the woman's raised right arm for her face.

Just before this, you had written, with reference to Towner, "we should be able to see the woman dressed in black, with her arm raised, waving something". This was a poor assumption, because it failed to consider that from Miss Towner's POV Lady #1 (lady in black) would be blocked from view by Lady #2.

**

Now let's cut to the chase.

When the flag in Towner is at higher elevation (last frame in the sequence below), it shows BEHIND the man in khaki's head. At this same precise instant, there is nothing------nada, zilcho-------by way of fluttering/waving object visible behind that man's head in Bell. The fluttering from the lady in black's hand is NOT anywhere near far enough west to go behind the man's head, such that it will show up in Towner behind his head. In fact, we can clearly see the white stone of the window grid area back in the TSBD behind both of them.



Therefore, the fluttering coming from the lady in black's hand cannot possibly be responsible for the waving object we see in Towner. That waving object is coming from the west part of the doorway, and the person responsible for it is a man in a red shirt who, in pumping the object up and down, is energetically putting his body into the action:



In your solution--------



--------you mistook the flag for Lady #1's hand, and the man's red shirt for her raised right arm.

The good news is that you can undo this error in an instant by no longer mistaking the flag for Lady #1's hand, and the man's red shirt for her raised right arm.

[Dan O'meara]

No, here's what you actually wrote (emphasis added):

You mistook the woman's raised right arm for her face.

Just before this, you had written, with reference to Towner, "we should be able to see the woman dressed in black, with her arm raised, waving something". This was a poor assumption, because it failed to consider that from Miss Towner's POV Lady #1 (lady in black) would be blocked from view by Lady #2.

**

Now let's cut to the chase.

When the flag in Towner is at higher elevation (last frame in the sequence below), it shows BEHIND the man in khaki's head. At this same precise instant, there is nothing------nada, zilcho-------by way of fluttering/waving object visible behind that man's head in Bell. The fluttering from the lady in black's hand is NOT anywhere near far enough west to go behind the man's head, such that it will show up in Towner behind his head. In fact, we can clearly see the white stone of the window grid area back in the TSBD behind both of them.



Therefore, the fluttering coming from the lady in black's hand cannot possibly be responsible for the waving object we see in Towner. That waving object is coming from the west part of the doorway, and the person responsible for it is a man in a red shirt who, in pumping the object up and down, is energetically putting his body into the action:



In your solution--------



--------you mistook the flag for Lady #1's hand, and the man's red shirt for her raised right arm.

The good news is that you can undo this error in an instant by no longer mistaking the flag for Lady #1's hand, and the man's red shirt for her raised right arm.

You seem to be misunderstanding what I'm pointing out so I'd like to take it step by step to make sure we're discussing the same thing.
In the pic below have I correctly boxed off the two arms of Lady#2



Now this is a yes/no answer [I know how you hate those].
I have either correctly boxed off her arms or I haven't - which is it?

[Alan Ford]

You seem to be misunderstanding what I'm pointing out so I'd like to take it step by step to make sure we're discussing the same thing.
In the pic below have I correctly boxed off the two arms of Lady#2



Now this is a yes/no answer [I know how you hate those].
I have either correctly boxed off her arms or I haven't - which is it?

Yes! 

[Dan O'meara]

Yes! 

And do you agree that in the Bell film just behind Lady#2 and to her right (our left as we look at it), there is Lady#1, dressed in black with her arm raised?

[Alan Ford]

And do you agree that in the Bell film just behind Lady#2 and to her right (our left as we look at it), there is Lady#1, dressed in black with her arm raised?

Yes, to the viewer of Bell, Lady #1 appears left of Lady #2 

[Dan O'meara]

Yes, to the viewer of Bell, Lady #1 appears left of Lady #2 

And do you agree that in Towner, just behind Lady#2 (who we have already identified) and to her right (or left as we look at it) is a figure dressed in black with their arm raised?
I've clumsily tried to highlight this person in the pic below: