Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )

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Offline Michael Welch

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2590 on: September 28, 2023, 10:58:04 PM »
Thanks Alan.  I was unfamiliar with the Bonafede article.  That nicely disposes of Doyle's fabricated claim that Lovelady ever "placed Stanton in the prayerman position".

Hi John, That is only true for the Darnell footage with Sarah on the East shielding her eyes from the sun, then Avery Davis next to Sarah's left hand side. Everybody back in 2013 on the original Prayer Man thread used the Altgens/Wiegman photograph and frame for the earlier identification of the TSBD building employees on the steps. It went like this: A. Joe Molina, B. Otis Williams, C. Ruth Dean, D. Maddie Reese, E. Bill Shelley, F. Billy Lovelady, G. Carl Jones.



What is confusing people now is in Altgens/Wiegman you have Maddie, Otis, and Joe shielding their eyes from the sun; in the later Darnell frame you only have Sarah shielding her eyes from the sun.



Thank you for everything! Sincerely yours, Michael

« Last Edit: September 29, 2023, 12:53:43 AM by Michael Welch »

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2591 on: September 29, 2023, 12:28:07 AM »
Hi Alan, The red arrow points to Joe Molina. Thank you for everything!

I'm done playing Whac-A-Mole with your nonsense, Mr. Welch (and it is nonsense, however well-meaning). Im afraid you join demented Mr. Doyle on my ignore list

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2592 on: September 29, 2023, 12:49:21 AM »
I'm done playing Whac-A-Mole with your nonsense, Mr. Welch (and it is nonsense, however well-meaning). Im afraid you join demented Mr. Doyle on my ignore list

Hi Alan, I am not going to just let you make up your own facts when researchers have already proven who is who on the steps. Thank you very much! Sincerely yours, Michael

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2593 on: September 29, 2023, 01:13:23 PM »
The real bombshell in Darnell, and the real reason we'll never get to see the original, is here:



No way are they going to let us see a pristine image of this long bag.

But the cat bag is out of the bag! It has finally been noticed, and can't be un-noticed  Thumb1:

This bag continues to be seen in The Uncut Jack Martin Film!

Starting at around the 10:40 mark a man in a black suit and hat appears to be holding it in his right hand or it is holding him because it is some sort of film anomaly .

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2594 on: September 29, 2023, 03:24:58 PM »
We now have an explanation for the notorious fact that Mr. Oswald was taken off the FBI's watch list six weeks before Pres. Kennedy's visit to Dallas:



He was needed for the White House-approved false-flag operation planned for 11/22.

A week after being taken off the watch list, he starts working at the Texas School Book Depository.

So!

Conspiracy A (the plan for missed shots to be fired from the TSBD sixth floor as Pres. Kennedy is riding through Dealey Plaza)
Conspiracy B (exploiting Conspiracy A to carry out a real assassination on Pres. Kennedy)

Key to the success of Conspiracy A is that 'pro-Castro' Mr. Oswald become THE named conspirator whose involvement identifies this as a pro-Castro provocation. All for the purpose of creating a compelling pretext for C-Day (1 Dec).

Let's game this out.............

Logically, the original Conspiracy A plan for the post-incident phase will surely look something like the following:

Mr. Oswald gets away from Dealey Plaza and disappears. He is holed up somewhere safe, a guest of his own country whose loyal servant he has been. For the rest of his days, he will be living a new life under the equivalent of a witness protection program. This is what Mr. Oswald has been told will happen, and he has believed it to be a good faith promise (which it probably is).

However.......... The press will be fed a very different story. They will soon be reporting faithfully that Mr. Oswald is understood to have flown to Cuba out of Red Bird Airport, and is now being kept safe by a grateful and impressed Pres. Castro & comrades. All vehement denials from Pres. Castro are met with angry disbelief, not least by Pres. Kennedy himself.


So what happens to this Conspiracy A plan for Mr. Oswald once Conspiracy A is superseded in the most horrific manner imaginable by Conspiracy B?

Mr. Oswald is left hanging. He now represents a disastrous human remainder. The promised govt-facilitated escape from Dallas cannot materialize. And NB: the flight of 'Oswald' from Red Bird must be called off. Under intense pressure of shocking and fast-moving circumstances, it is felt that all the effort that has gone into associating Mr. Oswald with a pro-Castro CONSPIRACY must now go into isolating and depoliticizing him as a gunman acting alone.

After his arrest, Mr. Oswald still hopes for an intervention by those he has served. But they have already reached a merciless but necessary decision: this man may not keep his cover in custody indefinitely; nor can he stand trial, where a defense team will bring out dangerous facts; he's got to go.
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2595 on: September 29, 2023, 04:01:04 PM »
So what happens to this Conspiracy A plan for Mr. Oswald once Conspiracy A is superseded in the most horrific manner imaginable by Conspiracy B?

Mr. Oswald is left hanging. He now represents a disastrous human remainder. The promised govt-facilitated escape from Dallas cannot materialize. And NB: the flight of 'Oswald' from Red Bird must be called off. All the effort that has gone into associating Mr. Oswald with a pro-Castro CONSPIRACY must now go into isolating and depoliticizing him as a gunman acting alone.

After his arrest, Mr. Oswald still hopes for an intervention by those he has served. But they have already reached a merciless but necessary decision: this man may not keep his cover in custody indefinitely; nor can he stand trial, where a defense team will bring out dangerous facts; he's got to go.

But how is the LHO factor supposed to play out from the perspective of those planning Conspiracy B (the assassination)? What might they (BEFORE the assassination) reasonably expect will happen with Mr. Oswald afterwards? And how do subsequent events (Texas Theatre arrest, etc.) tally with their expectations? Will they even have a hand in these events?

These questions are as tricky as they are intriguing.

I think a useful starting point in working towards an answer to them is the following chain of considerations:

i) pre-11/22, a scenario never enters the minds of EITHER Conspirators A OR Conspirators B that Mr. Oswald will be nailed as a GUNMAN, still less as a gunman ACTING ALONE: it is baked in that the world's understanding will be that the event in Dealey Plaza (whether missed-shots provocation or actual assassination) came about as a result of a pro-Castro conspiracy, with Mr. Oswald playing his part at the front entrance @ assassination-time
ii) NEITHER Conspirators A NOR Conspirators B can afford the prospect of the assassination being properly investigated after the event
iii) Conspirators B can bank on Conspirators A doing everything possible to cover their own tracks with regard to the false-flag operation: in a grotesque irony, Conspirators A will in effect be forced into providing cover not just for themselves but for Conspirators B too
iv) In all likelihood, Conspirators B expect that the damage-control official story will be that Pres. Kennedy was killed by pro-Castro Cubans. (Politically, this is fine and dandy with them-------a secondary dividend of the assassination)
v) It follows that Conspirators B take it as given that no circumstances would arise in which Conspirators A would allow faux-Castroite Mr. Oswald stay around long enough to vocally refuse & refute the role of confederate in the pro-Castro assassination of Pres. Kennedy. (The man's a loyal footsoldier, but he's hardly going to be THAT loyal.....)

After Mr. Oswald's arrest, did Conspirators B simply sit back and
------------------boggle at the sheer unexpected audacity of the establishment in trying to pass of Mr. Oswald as a LONE GUNMAN?
------------------let Conspirators A take care of what everyone knew needed to be done with him?
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2596 on: September 29, 2023, 05:12:38 PM »
      Here we go again with claims of "ORIGINAL" Wiegman and Darnell Films. In "Pictures Of The Pain", Trask says Wiegman reported seeing SA Lem Johns UP the knoll. Where is Lem Johns on the Current Wiegman Film??  60 yrs out, and we do Not know what we have with there continuing to be Holes in the Wiegman Film along with it purported to have been filmed "continuously" for decades. Using the Wiegman Film as the foundation for any conclusion is an immediate DQ.

Hi Royell, I hope you are doing well! We do have SSA Lem Johns jumping on the back and into Camera Car 1 in Couch! Thank you for everything! Sincerely yours, Michael
Here are pictures of Secret Service agent Lem Johns running and then jumping into the back of Camera Car #1. Sincerely yours, Michael


In this picture Cameraman Thomas Atkins is in the middle of the frame while Officer Clyde Haygood is trying to park his motorcycle.