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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2233 on: March 08, 2023, 09:56:30 AM »
Your Handy One-Stop Photo-Visual Guide!

Green arrow: Mr. Oswald
Yellow arrow: Mr. Lovelady



[Credit for source GIF: Mr. Jerry Organ]







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Offline Zeon Mason

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2234 on: March 09, 2023, 05:37:38 AM »
Roy Lewis does NOT place himself at the bottom of the steps, but rather at the TOP of the steps. (Per his more recent interview)

Lewis describes in his interview WHEN he came out , that it was just AFTER JFK limo has turned onto Elm st, and at which point Lewis saw JFK “brush his hair”. This makes it improbable that Lewis would be in Hughes film at the bottom of the steps as JFK limo is going up Houston st, BEFORE it turned on Elm.

Roy Lewis shirt is a much darker blue than the very light blue shirt of the black man at bottom
Of the steps in the Hughes film gif.

Roy Lewis pants are much darker than the almost white pants of that same black man in Hughes film gif.

The face in Wiegman film and Altgens film
Does NOT match the face of Lewis.

The black and white  Weigman film and the b&w
Altgens photo show clearly the black man has very light , almost white shirt and pants.

In another black and white photo of Lewis, (see prayerman site) his shirt and pants appear as dark as his jacket is , which jacket is wrapped around his waste. It’s highly improbable  that the very light blue and almost white pants of black man in Hughes could appear so dark as in another  b&w photo of Roy Lewis taken with in an hour later out front of TSBD.

If Lewis had  a habit of wrapping his  jacket around his waste when he took it off, then if he is the black man at bottom of steps in Hughes, Weigman, and Altgens , it follows that there should be a jacket around the waste. There is no jacket to be seen around the waste of the black and it’s unlikely he just dropped the jacket on the steps somewhere.

It’s highly improbable that Lewis dark blue shirt and dark pants could appear as light grey almost white as in Weigman film and Altgens photo.

Imo, the  Very Light blue tone of the shirt of black man in Hughes film is an effect caused by the gif enhancement process.

Therefore because of the above as well as the FACE dimensions (longer nose, more oval shape head ) and height of the black male in any photo or film segment that show some closer detail, the black man has to  be Carl Jones.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2235 on: March 09, 2023, 07:48:06 AM »
Roy Lewis does NOT place himself at the bottom of the steps, but rather at the TOP of the steps. (Per his more recent interview)

And he contradicts himself at 25:40: first he talks about "When I came out"------------then, watch his hand gestures when he says "when I got down to stop".

He has been all over the place in his various statements about his exact whereabouts on the stairs. In one statement, for instance, he puts himself in the center of the doorway with the ladies.

He is in an impossible situation:

a) Standing right behind him was the one man you really don't want standing behind you at the time of the assassination: Mr. Lee Harvey Oswald

b) Altgens (at least 'Canonical Altgens') shows another man's face where he knows his own should be! (The lady at 24:28 in the Rivera conference clip referenced above knows what's what.)

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Lewis describes in his interview WHEN he came out , that it was just AFTER JFK limo has turned onto Elm st, and at which point Lewis saw JFK “brush his hair”. This makes it improbable that Lewis would be in Hughes film at the bottom of the steps as JFK limo is going up Houston st, BEFORE it turned on Elm.

Roy Lewis shirt is a much darker blue than the very light blue shirt of the black man at bottom
Of the steps in the Hughes film gif.

Roy Lewis pants are much darker than the almost white pants of that same black man in Hughes film gif.

Not sure I see the problem, once one factors in distance & sun. Below is Hughes alongside the Willis scan made by Mr. Richard Bernabei. Each image shows the white of an entranceway column. Seems to me that taking Mr. Jones as the figure in blue in Hughes is much more problematical than making Mr. Lewis that figure in blue.




[Credit for Hughes GIF: Mr. Jerry Organ]

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The face in Wiegman film and Altgens film
Does NOT match the face of Lewis.

Which frame(s) from Wiegman make you say this?

And where in Altgens is the face you say doesn't match Mr. Lewis' and does match Mr. Jones'?:



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The black and white  Weigman film and the b&w
Altgens photo show clearly the black man has very light , almost white shirt and pants.

In another black and white photo of Lewis, (see prayerman site) his shirt and pants appear as dark as his jacket is , which jacket is wrapped around his waste. It’s highly improbable  that the very light blue and almost white pants of black man in Hughes could appear so dark as in another  b&w photo of Roy Lewis taken with in an hour later out front of TSBD.

If Lewis had  a habit of wrapping his  jacket around his waste when he took it off, then if he is the black man at bottom of steps in Hughes, Weigman, and Altgens , it follows that there should be a jacket around the waste. There is no jacket to be seen around the waste of the black and it’s unlikely he just dropped the jacket on the steps somewhere.

We don't know that he had his cardigan with him when he came outside to watch the P. Parade.

Here, by the way, is Mr. Jones in Couch carrying something in his hands:



I have suggested that this is the object we see flapping in Towner.

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It’s highly improbable that Lewis dark blue shirt and dark pants could appear as light grey almost white as in Weigman film and Altgens photo.

His pants are in Altgens??

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Imo, the  Very Light blue tone of the shirt of black man in Hughes film is an effect caused by the gif enhancement process.

Can you find any other instance in Hughes of something cream-colored showing up blue?

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Therefore because of the above as well as the FACE dimensions (longer nose, more oval shape head ) and height of the black male in any photo or film segment that show some closer detail, the black man has to  be Carl Jones.

Again, it would be helpful, Mr. Mason, if you would post some images that you feel back up this analysis. And please include hairline!

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2236 on: March 09, 2023, 10:12:18 AM »
Out of interest, has Mr. Lewis ever positively identified himself as this man standing beside Mr. Jones in Willis?



I ask because I have seen it suggested that this man is actually seen in the Bronson film well away from the Depository:



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Are we 100% sure this guy wasn't just a non-TSBD pal of Mr. Jones??

After all, not everyone who went up on those steps after the assassination was an employee............



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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2237 on: March 09, 2023, 10:49:14 AM »
What is Mr. Jones carrying in his right hand?



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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2238 on: March 09, 2023, 07:33:26 PM »
In one sense, of course, the identification of the man standing in front of Mr. Oswald has become somewhat academic in light of the differentiated identification of Messrs. Lovelady and Oswald that has now been achieved (thanks to Hughes-Bell-Towner). That remains the substantive issue, and represents an historic breakthrough (----------->LHO alibi for the shooting).

However! It's good housekeeping to develop maximal insight into what & who precisely is where precisely in that all-important doorway in those all-important seconds. As anyone who has been around this case for a while will know only too well, even the most trivial-seeming detail can take on unexpected revelatory significance............

I particularly would like to resolve the question of what exactly this area in Bell----------------------from behind which Mr. Lovelady becomes visible to Mr. Bell's camera--------------------really represents:



The Lewis/Jones question may-------or may not--------bear upon this question!

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2239 on: March 09, 2023, 07:43:22 PM »
From Ms. Madie Reese's March 20 statement to FBI:



Question for TEAM KEEP LHO OFF THEM STEPS!

Does Ms. Reese's disclaimer about having seen Mr. Oswald in the building 11/22 cover the enclosed front entranceway, which is where she was at the time of the assassination? Or do you believe that the phrase "in the Texas School Book Depository building" does NOT include the entranceway?

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