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Online Dan DAlimonte

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1. The above two SS agents, Rybka and Lawton, were told to stand down at Love Field.

2. Since they were told to stand down they decided to go to lunch
and if they did go to lunch, they would have been escorted there by one
of the two Love Field police cars.  These cars were known as either, 139 and 139 and a half
or, 39 and 39 and a half.

3. When they arrived at a diner of some sort, the police officer who drove them there
stayed either in or near the car should a bulletin regarding the President come over the radio. 
One did and he came into the diner and all three rushed backed to the car.

4. These two agents then proceeded to assist the police to capture suspects in a station wagon
most likely at Redbird Airfield.  The arrest is supported by the following relay which takes place
on Page 32 of the Radio Traffic Transcripts, Box 14.

158 - Notify 170 I am taking persons to the downtown jail and I will be reporting
back to him at Parkland as soon as I am through.  The time roughly 1:08 pm.
The officer 158 - Debenport.

5.  The above Page was, as I stated, Page 32.
The Page which should have appeared before it should have obviously been Page 31.
Yes it does appear but it appears well before the events that took place on Page 32.

On that Page 31 you will see the following relays which support my conjectures
if you read both pages side by side or the way they should have been listed.

Page 31 .... Relay

Secret Service -- outer perimeter --  they are being brought back. (Other unit break
making the rest unintelligible.)

Ummmm ... The two - Secret Service - Agents who were told to stand down
at Love Field - the outer perimeter - taking assassins back to the greater Dallas area?

Now go further down.  Again on Page 31 before Debenport's confirmed arrest on 32.

39 - (Notice who)  Clear me with a 202 assignment in -- station wagon with Secret Service man
downtown.

Ummm ... One of the Love Field cars is going downtown with a Secret Secret man and a
station wagon is mentioned.  Downtown like maybe .. the downtown jail as stated by Debenport
with persons going to jail?

Go further down the page.

And (Ask) 139 to meet me at the entrance to Love Field   I have additional cars to route out there.

You will have to take them on because he is coming downtown with some Secret Service men.

Here again ... Notice the Love Field Car cannot assist what presumably is going to be the
motorcade group to head back to Love Field after they leave Parkland Hospital.  And, why is that?
Because he's going downtown with some Secret Service men.  And, if suspects in a station wagon
were arrested at Redbird then someone outside of the suspects would be driving the station wagon.

Btw ... the station wagon is the same one noticed by Craig and others
and to me,.anyway ....  all suspects involved in JFK's murder were captured that day.






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Offline Bill Chapman

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1. The above two SS agents were told to stand down at Love Field.

2. Since they were told to stand down they decided to go to lunch
and if they did go to lunch, they would have been escorted there by one
of the two Love Field police cars.  These cars were known as either, 139 and 139 and a half
or, 39 and 39 and a half.

3. When they arrived at a diner of some sort, the police officer who drove them there
stayed either in or near the car should a bulletin regarding the President come over the radio. 
One did and he came into the diner and all three rushed backed to the car.

4. These two agents then proceeded to assist the police to capture suspects in a station wagon
most likely at Redbird Airfield.  The arrest is supported by the following relay which takes place
on Page 32 of the Radio Traffic Transcripts, Box 14.

158 - Notify 170 I am taking persons to the downtown jail and I will be reporting
back to him at Parkland as soon as I am through.  The time roughly 1:08 pm.
The officer 158 - Debenport.

5.  The above Page was, as I stated, Page 32.
The Page which should have appeared before it should have obviously been Page 31.
Yes it does appear but it appears well before the events that took place on Page 32.

On that Page 31 you will see the following relays which support my conjectures
if you read both pages side by side or the way they should have been listed.

Page 31 .... Relay

Secret Service -- outer perimeter --  they are being brought back. (Other unit break
making the rest unintelligible.)

Ummmm ... The two - Secret Service - Agents who were told to stand down
at Love Field - the outer perimeter - taking assassins back to the greater Dallas area?

Now go further down.  Again on Page 31 before Debenport's confirmed arrest on 32.

39 - (Notice who)  Clear me with a 202 assignment in -- station wagon with Secret Service men
downtown.

Ummm ... One of the Love Field cars is going downtown with some Secret Secret men and a
station wagon is mentioned.  Downtown like maybe .. the downtown jail as stated be Debenport
with persons going to jail?

Go further down the page.

And (Ask) 139 to meet me at the entrance at Love Field   I have additional cars to route out there.

You will have to take them on because he is coming downtown with a Secret Service man.

Here again ... Notice the Love Field Car cannot assist what presumably is going to be the
motorcade group to head back to Love Field after they leave Parkland Hospital.  And, why is that?
Because he's going downtown with a Secret Service man.  And, if suspects in a station wagon
were arrested at Redbird then someone outside of the suspects would be driving the station wagon.

Btw ... the station wagon is the same one noticed by Craig and others
and to me .anyway .... all suspects involved in JFK's murder were captured that day.

Those agents were assigned to Love Field
Others were assigned to the motorcade route
Still others were assigned to the Trade Mart

You can find the names of which agents were assigned and where during the Texas visit.

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158 - Notify 170 I am taking persons to the downtown jail and I will be reporting
back to him at Parkland as soon as I am through. 

Dan,

Just for your own curiosity, 170 is Sergeant R. Smart. Smart was a solo motorcyclist in the Traffic Division working the 7:00 AM to 3:00 PM. shift.
He was stationed to the rear of the Presidential Limousine along with Bobby Joe Dale.
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« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2018, 07:20:20 PM »
Hey, Steve.  I don't know who 170 was or what his official title was
but I did write down the info correctly.  Please check the link Page 32,
Radio Traffic Transcripts.  The key here is still ... who were the persons
being brought to the downtown jail.

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Also check out where Page 31 shows up ... it is between 21 and 22.
There is also a Sergeant mentioned there but he's in a car or has one.

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Those agents were assigned to Love Field
Others were assigned to the motorcade route
Still others were assigned to the Trade Mart

You can find the names of which agents were assigned and where during the Texas visit.

Hey, Bill.  Thanks for responding.  As it concerns the two agents being assigned to Love Field
or not.  That has been debated from that day to this.  Lawton's gestures tells me otherwise.
If he had been assigned to stay why would he be running along side the limo?  Shouldn't an assigned
agent have been doing that?
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Hey, Steve.  I don't know who 170 was or what his official title was
but I did write down the info correctly. 

Dan,

I'm not sure how this fits, but there is a J.S. Debenport listed in the Traffic Division as a solo motorcyclist working the 4:00PM to Midnight shift. See Batchelor's Exhibit 5002:
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It's page 18 of the pdf file and page 17 of the Exhibit.

Others who worked in that same Division and shift period included Chaney, Lumpkin, Courson - who were in the motorcade. Others in that Division were Billy Hargis, B.J. Martin, Sgt. Bellah. The call sign of 158 would fit into that same group of people:
131 - B.J. Martin
136 - Hargis
151 - Chaney
152 - Lumpkin
153 - Courson

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« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2018, 08:49:10 PM »
Dan,

P.S.

Assuming that 158 is J.S. Debenport - a solo motorcyclist, he does not seen to have been assigned to the motorcade by Perdue Lawrence.
157 - J.H. Taylor and
159 - E.D. Wafford
were both assigned to the Motor Pool Command Post at the Trade Mart
They were both solo motorcyclists in the same Traffic Division and shift time period.
see:
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Dan,

P.S.

Assuming that 158 is J.S. Debenport - a solo motorcyclist, he does not seen to have been assigned to the motorcade by Perdue Lawrence.
157 - J.H. Taylor and
159 - E.D. Wafford
were both assigned to the Motor Pool Command Post at the Trade Mart
They were both solo motorcyclists in the same Traffic Division and shift time period.
see:
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Hey, Steve.  158 whoever he was (and I still believe it was Debenport) had to be in a car.
How was he to bring the persons to the downtown jail?  On his shoulders?  And, 170 at Parkland
seems to be a person with some degree of authority.  I still think I'm right as far as my theory goes.

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Which SS agents were assigned to the GK? Or other areas of DP? Or at the Jefferson Branch Library?

If you have proof that anyone but the shooter knew there was to be an attempt on Kennedy that day, by all means post it.
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Which SS agents were assigned to the GK? Or other areas of DP? Or at the Jefferson Branch Library?

Rob,

I once wrote an essay on this that you can read here if you're interested:
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The incidents of Dallas Policemen and Deputy Sheriffs encountering someone whom they identified, or were identified to them as being members of the U.S. Secret Service is more extensive than is commonly known. There are at least twelve accounts (if you count the identification of Jack Puterbaugh as a Secret Service agent in the pilot car by Detectives Senkel and Turner), and eighteen if you count the six policemen who say there was a Secret Service Agent present during Oswald’s first interrogation beginning at 2:20PM. One of the most astounding elements in all these cases is that aside from the mention by James Leavelle of a Chief Charles thirty five years after the fact, there is no contemporaneous account of a single policeman recording the name of the “agent” or “agents” he encountered that day.

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