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Offline Dan DAlimonte

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« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2018, 04:34:11 PM »

Hey, Steve and Tom.  Thanks for your input but I'm not ready to throw in the towel yet.
First of all, there was a relay that I presented before the crash which I will supply in a minute or two.
In that relay Officer 67 (Everett) at around the 12:45 mark specifically asks the Dispatcher - Did they head south?  To which the Dispatcher states - Yes.  In later transcripts it appears as - Do you want me to head south?  To which the Dispatcher gives the same reply.  The first one implies that assassins or suspects involved may have been escaping in a vehicle and Redbird Airfield was indeed south of the greater Dallas area.   There's no way (at least to me) that could have meant anything else.  And if it was changed,
was that a simply accident or was it changed to hide something?

Also, in regards to the Sheridan?  Am I to believe that a cop would ask for a specific clearance
so the SS Agents can go pick up their dirty underwear?  And again, who were these persons or prisoner
who were being brought to the downtown jail on the very day the largest manhunt of all time was taking place?  Btw .. here is the link which states the Sheridan as it appears in Box 14.

http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/32/3298-034.gif

Notice the question mark?

Here's 67 calls

http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/32/3298-025.gif

 

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Online Steve M. Galbraith

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Re: My theory documented for the last time. May the Files be with me.
« Reply #15 on: January 17, 2018, 08:44:57 PM »

1. The above two SS agents, Rybka and Lawton, were told to stand down at Love Field.

2. Since they were told to stand down they decided to go to lunch
and if they did go to lunch, they would have been escorted there by one
of the two Love Field police cars.  These cars were known as either, 139 and 139 and a half
or, 39 and 39 and a half.

3. When they arrived at a diner of some sort, the police officer who drove them there
stayed either in or near the car should a bulletin regarding the President come over the radio. 
One did and he came into the diner and all three rushed backed to the car.

4. These two agents then proceeded to assist the police to capture suspects in a station wagon
most likely at Redbird Airfield.  The arrest is supported by the following relay which takes place
on Page 32 of the Radio Traffic Transcripts, Box 14.

158 - Notify 170 I am taking persons to the downtown jail and I will be reporting
back to him at Parkland as soon as I am through.  The time roughly 1:08 pm.
The officer 158 - Debenport.

5.  The above Page was, as I stated, Page 32.
The Page which should have appeared before it should have obviously been Page 31.
Yes it does appear but it appears well before the events that took place on Page 32.

On that Page 31 you will see the following relays which support my conjectures
if you read both pages side by side or the way they should have been listed.

Page 31 .... Relay

Secret Service -- outer perimeter --  they are being brought back. (Other unit break
making the rest unintelligible.)

Ummmm ... The two - Secret Service - Agents who were told to stand down
at Love Field - the outer perimeter - taking assassins back to the greater Dallas area?

Now go further down.  Again on Page 31 before Debenport's confirmed arrest on 32.

39 - (Notice who)  Clear me with a 202 assignment in -- station wagon with Secret Service man
downtown.

Ummm ... One of the Love Field cars is going downtown with a Secret Secret man and a
station wagon is mentioned.  Downtown like maybe .. the downtown jail as stated by Debenport
with persons going to jail?

Go further down the page.

And (Ask) 139 to meet me at the entrance to Love Field   I have additional cars to route out there.

You will have to take them on because he is coming downtown with some Secret Service men.

Here again ... Notice the Love Field Car cannot assist what presumably is going to be the
motorcade group to head back to Love Field after they leave Parkland Hospital.  And, why is that?
Because he's going downtown with some Secret Service men.  And, if suspects in a station wagon
were arrested at Redbird then someone outside of the suspects would be driving the station wagon.

Btw ... the station wagon is the same one noticed by Craig and others
and to me,.anyway ....  all suspects involved in JFK's murder were captured that day.

Dan: Is it your theory that the assassins of JFK were captured trying to leave at Redbird Airport and then were summarily executed? No trial, no investigation? The SS and others (FBI? DPD?) captured these individuals, concluded they were the assassins of JFK (how did they do that?) and then just shot them?

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« Reply #16 on: January 17, 2018, 08:51:48 PM »
Hey, Steve (Thomas.)  As you well know this case is confusing enough as it is but I have some
questions with what you and Tom posted. 

1.  The two SS agents went to lunch and it's understandable to me that they would have
went by a Love Field car.

2.  After they heard about the assassination and if they didn't assist the police make
any arrests then they most likely went back to Love Field.

3.  It then occurs to these two agents that they have to go to the Sherirdan, the SS command
post for some reason and 30's station wagon suddenly appears (either marked or unmarked).

4.  If that happened, why would one of the Love Field cars have to go with them?
If you look at the transcripts 39 definitely ended up being there.
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« Reply #17 on: January 17, 2018, 08:53:13 PM »
Hey, Steve and Tom.  Thanks for your input but I'm not ready to throw in the towel yet.
First of all, there was a relay that I presented before the crash which I will supply in a minute or two.
In that relay Officer 67 (Everett) at around the 12:45 mark specifically asks the Dispatcher - Did they head south?  To which the Dispatcher states - Yes.  In later transcripts it appears as - Do you want me to head south?  To which the Dispatcher gives the same reply.

Dan,

As you know, Unit 67 is  Patrolman W. A. Everett

If you look at

CD 1420 p. 171
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=11815&search=Mockingbird_Lane#relPageId=172&tab=page


Unit 267 (Patrolman J.H. Caldwell)  asks, ?Do you want me to head south??
Dispatcher answers, ?Yes. 12:44 PM?
This is Channel 2 broadcast.

If you scroll back for the previous two pages or so in that Channel 2 transcript, it looks like the police were trying to cordon of a one to two block area around the TSBD. Without knowing where Everett and Caldwell were stationed, it's hard to know if they were talking about responding to Elm and Houston, or if they were talking about that two block cordon.


I owe you an apology of sorts.

See CD 1420 p. 162 Channel 2 transcript
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=11815&search=Mockingbird_Lane#relPageId=163&tab=page

In this transcript, 158 is identified as Patrolman L.S. Davenport at 12:26 PM. He advises Dispatch that everything is OK. Dispatch tells Chief Curry that 158 says everything is OK. The motorcade had just passed Live Oak and was about to cross Lamar. I believe that they were on Harwood at this time.

In my notes, 158 was identified as L.S. Davenport and J.M. Phillips.

J.M. Phillips is listed as operating a radar unit in the Traffic Division Solo Motorcycle and Special Enforcement Monthly Detail
https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh19/pdf/WH19_Batchelor_Ex_5002.pdf
page 18. He is in that same group of people as Billy Hargis, B.J. Martin, Marrion Baker, and J.S. Debenport, etc., but he's not listed as a solo motorcyclist, but operating a radar unit. He's in the same group as Debenport, although regularly on different shifts.

I don't find L.S. Davenport listed in Batchelor's Exhibit 5002, nor is any Davenport or Phillips listed in Purdue Lawrence's assignments for the parade route.
https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh20/html/WH_Vol20_0256b.htm

Could J.S Debenport and J.M. Philiips be sharing the same call sign 158? Could J.S, Debenport have been mistakenly transcribed as L.S. Davenport in the transcripts?


(There is an R.S. Davenport listed as a School Safety Officer in the Batchelor Exhibit 5002 p. 17.)
https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh19/pdf/WH19_Batchelor_Ex_5002.pdf

Could R.S. Davenport been mistakenly listed as L.S. Davenport in the Channel 2 transcripts?

This is all very confusing. My best guess is that J.S. Debenport was mistakenly transcribed as L.S. Davenport. My main problem at the moment is that neither one was scheduled for traffic control for the motorcade per Purdue Lawrence assignments, so how could 158 be radioing in that everything was OK as the motorcade was traveling down Harwood and Live Oak and Harwood and Lamar?

Steve Thomas



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« Reply #18 on: January 17, 2018, 08:56:35 PM »
Hey, Steve (Thomas.)
4.  If that happened, why would one of the Love Field cars have to go with them?
If you look at the transcripts 39 definitely ended up being there.

Dan,

They were from out of town. They were on foot.

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« Reply #19 on: January 17, 2018, 09:13:18 PM »
Dan: Is it your theory that the assassins of JFK were captured trying to leave at Redbird Airport and then were summarily executed? No trial, no investigation? The SS and others (FBI? DPD?) captured these individuals, concluded they were the assassins of JFK (how did they do that?) and then just shot them?

Hey, Steve.  No.  Not that day anyway.  If my theory holds water they were
quickly identified as either being domestic agents or foreign ones, either pro or anti Castro
and this could have happened well before the press arrived at the DPD before 2 p.m..
Once identified and there is some evidence a high ranking military man did go to the DPD
and could have done that and then they were transferred probably to the Sherrif''s Office
for that day and then shipped out by an army truck to the nearest military base at night.
Oswald who was involved and captured had to take the rap for it all.  As for what happened to the
ones captured.  They probably interrogated the hell out of them and then ...

Put it this way,  I believe ALL suspects connected to the Kennedy assassination were captured that day
including LHO and there had to be a damn good reason why that wasn't divulged.

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« Reply #20 on: January 17, 2018, 09:36:33 PM »
..........

3.  It then occurs to these two agents that they have to go to the Sherirdan, the SS command
post for some reason and 30's station wagon suddenly appears (either marked or unmarked).

4.  If that happened, why would one of the Love Field cars have to go with them?
If you look at the transcripts 39 definitely ended up being there.

How do you know the SS at the Sheraton did not request the airport agents come to the Sheraton communications center?

Dan, as Steve notes, the SS agents at the airport were car-less and from out of  town.
I posted what I did because I was influenced by the routineness of the activity, especially under
the circumstances....chaos, uncertainty. IOW, it is the opposite of looking staged, it looks spontaneous, unsuspicious....

Two hours later :
https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/pdf/WH17_CE_705.pdf

....and wherever AF-1 is parked becomes a secure field. The aircraft is the responsibility of SS and the field, DPD and SS.:
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