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Offline Dan DAlimonte

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Re: My theory documented for the last time. May the Files be with me.
« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2018, 09:20:10 PM »
Dan,

P.S.

Assuming that 158 is J.S. Debenport - a solo motorcyclist, he does not seen to have been assigned to the motorcade by Perdue Lawrence.
157 - J.H. Taylor and
159 - E.D. Wafford
were both assigned to the Motor Pool Command Post at the Trade Mart
They were both solo motorcyclists in the same Traffic Division and shift time period.
see:
https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh20/html/WH_Vol20_0255b.htm

Steve Thomas

Hey, Steve.  158 whoever he was (and I still believe it was Debenport) had to be in a car.
How was he to bring the persons to the downtown jail?  On his shoulders?  And, 170 at Parkland
seems to be a person with some degree of authority.  I still think I'm right as far as my theory goes.

Offline Bill Chapman

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« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2018, 05:19:06 AM »
Which SS agents were assigned to the GK? Or other areas of DP? Or at the Jefferson Branch Library?

If you have proof that anyone but the shooter knew there was to be an attempt on Kennedy that day, by all means post it.
« Last Edit: January 17, 2018, 06:02:13 AM by Bill Chapman »

Offline Steve Thomas

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« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2018, 08:32:10 AM »
Which SS agents were assigned to the GK? Or other areas of DP? Or at the Jefferson Branch Library?

Rob,

I once wrote an essay on this that you can read here if you're interested:
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/12084-secret-service-on-the-knoll-and-beyond/

The incidents of Dallas Policemen and Deputy Sheriffs encountering someone whom they identified, or were identified to them as being members of the U.S. Secret Service is more extensive than is commonly known. There are at least twelve accounts (if you count the identification of Jack Puterbaugh as a Secret Service agent in the pilot car by Detectives Senkel and Turner), and eighteen if you count the six policemen who say there was a Secret Service Agent present during Oswald?s first interrogation beginning at 2:20PM. One of the most astounding elements in all these cases is that aside from the mention by James Leavelle of a Chief Charles thirty five years after the fact, there is no contemporaneous account of a single policeman recording the name of the ?agent? or ?agents? he encountered that day.

Steve Thomas

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Re: My theory documented for the last time. May the Files be with me.
« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2018, 08:53:24 AM »


1. The above two SS agents, RyBary Kampa and Lawton, were told to stand down at Love Field.

First, what makes you state that Henry  R y b k a  was told to stand down?

Second, how could Don Lawton possibly be told to stand down (sinister last minute changing of plans) when the roster duty had Lawton remaining at Love Field with Air Force One?
« Last Edit: August 11, 2019, 09:17:51 AM by Bill Brown »

Offline Tom Scully

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Re: My theory documented for the last time. May the Files be with me.
« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2018, 09:55:02 AM »
Good try, Dan.....

https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/pdf/WH17_CE_705.pdf




Sheraton Hotel, 400 N. Olive St., downtown ......

.....Next?
« Last Edit: January 17, 2018, 10:05:22 AM by Tom Scully »

Offline Dan DAlimonte

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Re: My theory documented for the last time. May the Files be with me.
« Reply #12 on: January 17, 2018, 12:43:31 PM »
First, what makes you state that Henry Rybka was told to stand down?

Second, how could Don Lawton possibly be told to stand down (sinister last minute changing of plans) when the roster duty had Lawton remaining at Love Field with Air Force One?

Hey, Bill.  Thanks for responding.  I really don't think the SS had any hand in the Kennedy
assassination so whether they were told to stand down or not, is a moot point to me.
Viewing the vid of Lawton does suggest he seemed upset but whether or not
it was a spur of the moment thing to order him to stay back or he was reminded that he was
to stay back doesn't matter.  What does matter to me is what happened afterwards.  Did they
go to lunch somewhere other than Love Field and were they escorted there by one of the
Love Field cars.  From there did they subsequently assist the police in the capture of suspects
tied to the assassination?  If that could have happened then look back at what I presented.
It could fit.

Hope everything is going well with you. 


Offline Steve Thomas

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Re: My theory documented for the last time. May the Files be with me.
« Reply #13 on: January 17, 2018, 04:02:17 PM »
Good try, Dan.....

Sheraton Hotel, 400 N. Olive St., downtown ......

.....Next?

Tom,

Thank you for posting the link to CE 705. It helped clear things up for me a little bit.
Unit 39 says that he he in 30's station wagon and a few seconds later says, "I'm in the Sergeant's car." He goes on to say, "The other half of 39 is still at the field in the Love Field car.?

Unit 30 was Sergeant R.C. Childers. He was working the Second Platoon Northwest Area Substation.

https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh19/pdf/WH19_Batchelor_Ex_5002.pdf
page 9 of that pdf file page 8 of Batchelor's Exhibit CE 5002.

Using CD 1420, here is the exchange:
CD 1420 p. 176
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=11815&search=Mockingbird_Lane#relPageId=177&tab=page

39 calls in and says: ?Clear me on Code 2 assignment and 30's station wagon, the Secret Service Agents downtown. The time is given as 1:09 PM

Unit 30 is Sergeant R.C. Childers. He was working the Second Platoon Northwest Area Substation.

https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh19/pdf/WH19_Batchelor_Ex_5002.pdf
page 9 of that pdf file page 8 of Batchelor's Exhibit CE 5002.

Just a few second's later, he tells Dispatch: ?I am in Sergeant's car and other half of 39 is still at the field in the Love Field car.?

At 1:50 PM 39 calls in and says, ?I am going back to the Southwest Automotive. 39 has the State Unit.? CD 1420 p. 191.
Is the State Unit, the Love Field car?


Dan,

What I think happened in those DPD Archive tape transcripts that you've been using, is that somebody somehow stuck a page from the Channel 2 transcripts into the middle of the Channel 1 transcripts.

Again, using CD 1420:

At 10:00 AM Dispatch tells Unit# 39 to stay on Channel 2
39 is Patrolman J.F. Butcher and C.W. Comer
CD 1420 p. 149
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=11815&search=Mockingbird_Lane#relPageId=150&tab=page
Sergeant Childers says that he will also be on Channel 2

So. if you're reading broadcasts from Unit 39, those are Channel 2 broadcasts.
And I agree with Tom, 39 was probably taking the SS Agents to the Sheraton downtown. Wasn't the Secret Service communications center there?

Since 158 was apparently not assigned to the Presidential visit, he was probably out on another call in a different part of the City. When he said he "had a couple of prisoners", I think he meant he was escorting a car that had them in the back seat.

Steve Thomas