The Mystery of the Roll Call

[Howard Gee]

Are you sure you don't have a point to make regarding 'the mysterious roll call' ?

Was kinda hoping for another epic 'bags and bones' type thread. Maybe even a 'studebaker created 142' bonanza.

[Richard Smith]

I recall Frazier confirming there was a roll call.  I think as part of an interview with Gary Mack.  Whether it happened or not, Oswald was missing.  No one disputes that.  That is the important point.  It doesn't seem particularly sinister that Truly noticed him missing.  Truly knew due to his encounter in the lunch room that Oswald was one of the few employees in the building during the assassination.  He noticed that Oswald was one of the few employees missing after the assassination.  It wouldn't take Sherlock Holmes to conclude that it was worth reporting.

[Colin Crow]

Just putting it out there what I found in the reports. It looks like Fritz asked Senkel to gather those on the 6th floor. Seems logical. Explains why Dougherty was included. As I said maybe this was the genesis of the "roll call" maybe not. Maybe the details of those employees inside were taken in a separate action and then a separate specific round up occurred. point is that Senkel had to have been told by someone who was on the 6th floor or ask for those present to come forward.

The interesting thing is that we know Frazier was on the 6th floor that morning and yet was not included with those to go to City Hall. It seems he left the building around this time. Did he leave before the round up and if not how did he avoid going to City Hall?

I believe these are valid questions.

[Steve M. Galbraith]

Eddie Piper gave the following account about some sort of, what he called, "lineup":

From his WC testimony:
Mr. BALL. Did you at anytime after the shooting miss Lee Oswald---did you notice he wasn't around?
Mr. PIPER. No, sir; I didn't notice it until the lineup. You know, I just figured all the people was there.
Mr. BALL. You did notice it at the lineup, did you?
Mr. PIPER. Yes.
Mr. BALL. Tell us about that.
Mr. PIPER. I did notice it in the lineup.
Mr. BALL. What do you mean by the lineup?
Mr. PIPER. I mean, when they lined us all up and told us to give our name and address and just to go home.
Mr. BALL. You say "they"; who do you mean?
Mr. PIPER. The detective---whoever it was.
Mr. BALL. The police?
Mr. PIPER. Yes; they had the building all surrounded. They went to locking the doors back and front and told us to all come up and then go home, and I told him, I says, "I've got to go down in the basement and get my clothes," and he said, "You can go down and get your clothes and come on back up here, but give me your identification and your name and tell us where you are staying," and everybody heard me say that, I guess, and he let us out of the building, one by one, and I went on out the front door.

He doesn't explain who the "all" were. The manual workers? All workers?

Bugliosi's account has DPD detectives getting a list of names and addresses of the employees in the building from the personnel department. Apparently they, the detectives, then went and interviewed each employee in the building and checked them against their list. If Piper's account is true they had some sort of list they used.

Whether one wants to call that a "roll call" or not is another question.

[Colin Crow]

Eddie Piper gave the following account about some sort of, what he called, "lineup":

From his WC testimony:
Mr. BALL. Did you at anytime after the shooting miss Lee Oswald---did you notice he wasn't around?
Mr. PIPER. No, sir; I didn't notice it until the lineup. You know, I just figured all the people was there.
Mr. BALL. You did notice it at the lineup, did you?
Mr. PIPER. Yes.
Mr. BALL. Tell us about that.
Mr. PIPER. I did notice it in the lineup.
Mr. BALL. What do you mean by the lineup?
Mr. PIPER. I mean, when they lined us all up and told us to give our name and address and just to go home.
Mr. BALL. You say "they"; who do you mean?
Mr. PIPER. The detective---whoever it was.
Mr. BALL. The police?
Mr. PIPER. Yes; they had the building all surrounded. They went to locking the doors back and front and told us to all come up and then go home, and I told him, I says, "I've got to go down in the basement and get my clothes," and he said, "You can go down and get your clothes and come on back up here, but give me your identification and your name and tell us where you are staying," and everybody heard me say that, I guess, and he let us out of the building, one by one, and I went on out the front door.

He doesn't explain who the "all" were. The manual workers? All workers?

Bugliosi's account has DPD detectives getting a list of names and addresses of the employees in the building from the personnel department. Apparently they, the detectives, then went and interviewed each employee in the building and checked them against their list. If Piper's account is true they had some sort of list they used.

Whether one wants to call that a "roll call" or not is another question.

I don?t disagree Steve. But Stenkel's report makes it clear that Fritz specifically wanted those on the 6th floor that day rounded up and taken to HQ for questioning. It appears likely that all those inside had their names etc taken before being allowed to leave as per Piper's recollection. It seems that this was a separate action. I seem to remember Frazier recalling something similar. Point is, he was on the 6th floor and managed is some way not to be taken to HQ. Did he not identify himself? Was he not noticed by Shelley or the others on the 6th floor. Or had he left before it happened?

[Colin Crow]

Another candidate that was on the 6th floor that morning that was not taken to City Hall.

Mr. BALL. Did you ever go to the sixth floor that day, that morning?
Mr. NORMAN. I can't---yes, I went up that morning during the time I think they were laying the floor up there when I went up there.

[Jerry Freeman]

After the president was shot, around 12:30 p.m., police instructed managers at the school book depository to gather the employees for a roll call. Oswald was the only one missing.

This was a Dallas News opinion article written 50 years later. No one was interviewed and said that.

I recall Frazier confirming there was a roll call.  I think as part of an interview with Gary Mack.  Whether it happened or not, Oswald was missing.  No one disputes that.   

How would anyone have known that he was  missing and the only person who was..if there wasn't a gathering of all the employees from all the offices of all the companies that occupied the building?

Are you sure you don't have a point to make regarding 'the mysterious roll call' ?

Gee we guess so. There was no roll call.
 Another 'Roll Call' thread grew here... https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php?topic=625.20
Notice the absurd made up conclusions from the WR defenders