Lee Oswald The Cop Killer

[Bill Brown]

The police tapes obviously don't mention the body being loaded into the ambulance, but the tapes do tell us when the ambulance was leaving the scene en route to Methodist Hospital.  The tapes tell us that the ambulance was leaving the scene as Callaway was making his report on the squad car radio.

No they don't tell us anything of the kind. You just made it up and you ignored the statements made by Callaway himself - which prove you wrong - to do.

No.

That 2nd "602" was Butler attempting to let dispatch know that they were leaving the scene en route to the hospital.  However, he could not get through because as you can plainly see, Callaway is on the squad car radio reporting the incident (as the ambulance is speeding off).

And your evidence for this opinion is?.... Where, other than in your imagination, did you get that the 2nd "602" was "Butler attempting to let dispatch know that they were leaving the scene"?

Croy interviewed Markham at the scene.  Yes.  This could have easily taken place once the ambulance left and Callaway had already made his report on the squad car radio.  In fact, the police tapes tell us that this is what happened.

Could have?.... It actually happened, and if you read Croy's testimony it's pretty obvious that he saw Tippit being loaded into the ambulance when he arrived and the first thing he did was to talk to Markham, next to Tippit's patrol car. There is not a chance in hell that Callaway wouldn't have seen Croy, in uniform, standing next to the car from where he is supposed to have made his call. And no, the police tapes do not tell us anything of the kind. It's all your imagination.

Straw man.  Typical.

I've never said (or hinted) that it took Callaway (and others) two minutes to load the body.  That was YOUR mistaken timeline, not my correct one.

There is no straw man, nor is there a mistake in my time line and you know it, because that's the only reason why you have refused to discuss the entire time line.

You're a propagandist, Brown. You throw your own key witnesses under the bus when it fits your narrative. Callaway wasn't mistaken about the sequence of events and Croy wasn't either. If you truly were a reseacher for 1% you would admit that, but you aren't.

The police tapes obviously don't mention the body being loaded into the ambulance, but the tapes do tell us when the ambulance was leaving the scene en route to Methodist Hospital.  The tapes tell us that the ambulance was leaving the scene as Callaway was making his report on the squad car radio.

No they don't tell us anything of the kind. You just made it up and you ignored the statements made by Callaway himself - which prove you wrong - to do.

Either the tapes have been altered (for what reason, pray tell?) or Callaway simply misremembered what he did and when, related to helping load the body into the ambulance and then getting on the squad car radio to report the incident to the police dispatcher.

No.

That 2nd "602" was Butler attempting to let dispatch know that they were leaving the scene en route to the hospital.  However, he could not get through because as you can plainly see, Callaway is on the squad car radio reporting the incident (as the ambulance is speeding off).

And your evidence for this opinion is?.... Where, other than in your imagination, did you get that the 2nd "602" was "Butler attempting to let dispatch know that they were leaving the scene"?

It's all laid out for you if you just go read the transcripts of the police tapes.  It really isn't my problem if you cannot comprehend what you're looking at.

Croy interviewed Markham at the scene.  Yes.  This could have easily taken place once the ambulance left and Callaway had already made his report on the squad car radio.  In fact, the police tapes tell us that this is what happened.

Could have?.... It actually happened, and if you read Croy's testimony it's pretty obvious that he saw Tippit being loaded into the ambulance when he arrived and the first thing he did was to talk to Markham, next to Tippit's patrol car. There is not a chance in hell that Callaway wouldn't have seen Croy, in uniform, standing next to the car from where he is supposed to have made his call.

Apparently, you did not read my comment completely before getting all excited and rushing off to respond.  Slow down.  Deep breaths.

It could very easily be (and most likely is the case, if you listen to the police tapes) that Croy interviewed Markham "next to Tippit's patrol car" once the ambulance left the scene and after Callaway had already made his report on the squad car radio.

It's foolish to believe that Croy is interviewing Markham next to the patrol car while the body is lying in the street and the ambulance personnel is dealing with trying to get the body loaded.  Pure foolishness.

Callaway helps load the body into the ambulance.  He said the ambulance was arriving right as he was getting to the scene.

Callaway reports the shooting on the squad car radio as the ambulance is taking off.  The 2nd "602" is Butler attempting to notify dispatch that they are en route to the hospital but he is blocked out by Callaway, who is currently on the squad car radio reporting the incident.

Croy, once the ambulance is gone, is NOW beginning to interview Markham near/leaning against Tippit's patrol car.

Seriously, use your head.

Again... It's foolish to believe that Croy is interviewing Markham next to the patrol car while the body is lying in the street and the ambulance personnel is dealing with trying to get the body loaded.

You're a propagandist, Brown. You throw your own key witnesses under the bus when it fits your narrative. Callaway wasn't mistaken about the sequence of events and Croy wasn't either. If you truly were a reseacher for 1% you would admit that, but you aren't.

You're a propagandist, Weidmann.  You throw your own key witness under the bus when it fits your narrative.  Callaway wasn't mistaken about his positive identification of Oswald as the man he saw running down Patton with a gun in his hands immediately after hearing the gun shots.  Guinyard wasn't either.  If you truly were a researcher, you'd know I've never claimed to be a researcher.  But I could beat your ass any day in an online debate. 

[Bill Brown]

There was a time when I had some respect for you. Not any more.

Hey, YOU are the one who has the information right in front of him and can't decipher it properly.  I'm not worried about it.  And no offense, but I couldn't care less if you respect me or not or if you ever have.

[Jerry Freeman]

It seems crystal clear that Whaley took Oswald to the designated Beckley/Nash St [or whatever] intersection. Cabbie Whaley identified Oswald's bracelet in testimony. That does not prove that Oswald shot the cop.

It seems to me that Ted Callaway was somehow predisposed to select Oswald.

Mr. CALLAWAY. No. And he said, "We want to be sure, we want to try to wrap him up real tight on killing this officer. We think he is the same one that shot the President. But if we can wrap him up tight on killing this officer, we have got him." So they brought four men in.
I stepped to the back of the room, so I could kind of see him from the same distance which I had seen him before. And when he came out, I knew him.
Mr. BALL. You mean he looked like the same man?
 Mr. BALL. About what distance was he away from you--the closest that he ever was to you?
Mr. CALLAWAY. About 56 feet.
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Mr. DULLES. Did he say anything?
Mr. CALLAWAY. Yes, sir; he said something, but I could not understand it.
Mr. DULLES. You could not understand what he said? 

Eager to be the guy that fingered the assassin of JFK was Callaway? From almost 60 feet away...not exactly eye to eye.
With a four man line up and three of them are big cops...what does that leave you? "He said something"...this is supposed to be Oswald who had nothing to say to his housekeeper but responds to a perfect stranger?

Mr. BALL. Did he have the same clothes on in the lineup--did the man have the same clothes?
Mr. CALLAWAY. He had the same trousers and shirt, but he didn't have his jacket on. He had ditched his jacket.

Did Callaway see someone "ditch his jacket"? Or was he told this happened? What else that happened...was he told that happened?

[Walt Cakebread]

It seems crystal clear that Whaley took Oswald to the designated Beckley/Nash St [or whatever] intersection. Cabbie Whaley identified Oswald's bracelet in testimony. That does not prove that Oswald shot the cop.

It seems to me that Ted Callaway was somehow predisposed to select Oswald.Eager to be the guy that fingered the assassin of JFK was Callaway? From almost 60 feet away...not exactly eye to eye.
With a four man line up and three of them are big cops...what does that leave you? "He said something"...this is supposed to be Oswald who had nothing to say to his housekeeper but responds to a perfect stranger?
Did Callaway see someone "ditch his jacket"? Or was he told this happened? What else that happened...was he told that happened?

Whaley DESCRIBED the clothing of his passenger as being BLUE colored Workman's type clothing ( a blue JACKET and Blue trousers) Lee was not wearing a Jacket, and he didn't even own any clothing as described by Wild Bill Whaley.

It's crystal clear that Whaley was a simple minded cabbie who the cops used to their advantage.

[Bill Chapman]

It seems crystal clear that Whaley took Oswald to the designated Beckley/Nash St [or whatever] intersection. Cabbie Whaley identified Oswald's bracelet in testimony. That does not prove that Oswald shot the cop.

It seems to me that Ted Callaway was somehow predisposed to select Oswald.Eager to be the guy that fingered the assassin of JFK was Callaway? From almost 60 feet away...not exactly eye to eye.
With a four man line up and three of them are big cops...what does that leave you? "He said something"...this is supposed to be Oswald who had nothing to say to his housekeeper but responds to a perfect stranger?
Did Callaway see someone "ditch his jacket"? Or was he told this happened? What else that happened...was he told that happened?

From almost 60 feet away
He said 56ft. Stop exaggerating, troll

[Bill Brown]

Whaley DESCRIBED the clothing of his passenger as being BLUE colored Workman's type clothing ( a blue JACKET and Blue trousers) Lee was not wearing a Jacket, and he didn't even own any clothing as described by Wild Bill Whaley.

It's crystal clear that Whaley was a simple minded cabbie who the cops used to their advantage.

First day evidence... Whaley didn't say that his passenger was wearing a jacket. Whaley even described the shirt as being long-sleeved.

How would Whaley know the shirt was long-sleeved if the guy was wearing a jacket?  Please explain.

[Bill Brown]

More like about 10 feet.

Said eyewitness Sam Guinyard.

Übertroll.... ROFL

Guinyard was further up the street than was Callaway.  Guinyard was much closer to the killer than Callaway ever was.

Learn the basics before you attempt to ridicule.

[Bill Chapman]

More like about 10 feet.

Said eyewitness Sam Guinyard.

Übertroll.... ROFL

That's Guinyard
Callaway testified otherwise

ŪberDork...