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Offline Tim Nickerson

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Re: The missing witness on Book Depository Stairway
« Reply #21 on: April 23, 2018, 10:15:50 PM »
Wasn't used Tim. Hence one can call into question the ENTIRE document and its origins.

The Stroud document lists all of the corrections of which NONE were implemented.

What does this suggest to you Tim?

By your logic, the Stroud document is null and void. Therefore, I guess we just go with what the WC published, right? Adams encountered Lovelady and Shelley upon reaching the first floor.

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« Reply #22 on: April 23, 2018, 10:43:09 PM »
The Adams, Styles, Lovelady and Shelly meeting was used by the WC to decide when Adams and Styles descended
You have one out of four people in an encounter, recorded as having reported it occurring, and that one person now denies that it occurred and insist that the record was altered.
No one else, even with prompting from counsel, can remember it.
The Stroud document has Garner giving a testimony that would invalidate a late descent.

There were 4 women together on the 4th floor, 2 of them descend. It just beggars belief that the other two woman weren't officially used to confirm when the descent occurred.


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« Reply #23 on: April 23, 2018, 11:08:02 PM »
Tim,

The Stroud document is an official document from the United States Attorney that was signed and addressed to Rankin.

Why weren't the contents of that document actioned by the WC? In the letter was a crucial piece of information involving a TSBD employee which may have potentially resulted in the identification of the assasin.

The multi million dollar blue chip panel did nothing to resolve this. Or the contents of the Stroud document were not forwarded on.

Why Tim?

The Stroud document is no more of an official document than the transcript copy that Victoria Adams notated and signed.

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« Reply #24 on: April 23, 2018, 11:13:51 PM »
The Adams, Styles, Lovelady and Shelly meeting was used by the WC to decide when Adams and Styles descended
You have one out of four people in an encounter, recorded as having reported it occurring, and that one person now denies that it occurred and insist that the record was altered.
No one else, even with prompting from counsel, can remember it.
The Stroud document has Garner giving a testimony that would invalidate a late descent.

There were 4 women together on the 4th floor, 2 of them descend. It just beggars belief that the other two woman weren't officially used to confirm when the descent occurred.

The encounter with Lovelady and Shelley does rule out an early descent. CTs get themselves all worked up over things like that. And for nothing really.  The fact is that an early descent by Adams and Styles would do nothing to exonerate Oswald. If they had descended early, they would have been traveling very rapidly down those wooden stairs and making a lot of noise in the process. Oswald would have simply followed down behind them, unseen and unheard by anyone.

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Re: The missing witness on Book Depository Stairway
« Reply #25 on: April 24, 2018, 01:09:21 AM »


"Across its top was the handwritten notation, ?Adams, Vicki.? The single sheet was a copy of a registered letter sent by airmail to J. Lee Rankin in Washington. It was signed by Martha Joe Stroud, an assistant U.S. attorney, on behalf of Barefoot Sanders, the U.S. attorney for Dallas. 1 The date typed under its Department of Justice letterhead was June 2, 1964. Miss Stroud was forwarding to Rankin a copy of Miss Adams? signed deposition, taken less than two months earlier, on April 7, in that same office by Commission counsel David Belin. During the intervening time, the official transcript of her questioning had been prepared and then shown to Miss Adams. In her letter to Rankin, Miss Stroud listed half a dozen errors Miss Adams had identified in her testimony and wanted corrected. 2 As a way of refreshing Rankin?s memory, Miss Stroud wrote, ?Mr. Bellin [sic] was questioning Miss Adams about whether or not she saw anyone as she was running down the stairs.? 3 It was Miss Stroud?s next sentence, the final one in the text, that punched me in the gut. ?Miss Garner, Miss Adams? supervisor, stated this morning that after Miss Adams went downstairs she (Miss Garner) saw Mr. Truly and the policeman come up.? 4

Ernest, Barry. Girl on the Stairs, The (Kindle Locations 4088-4099). Pelican Publishing. Kindle Edition.

Now tell me Tim, if you were Mr Belin would you have investigated the matter re Garner further?

If not, why not?

The corrections listed in the Stroud document are found in the signed copy of Adams' deposition transcript.

If I were Belin and was aware of the Garner statement then I would have investigated the matter. I doubt that Belin was aware of the statement.

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« Reply #26 on: April 24, 2018, 01:10:23 AM »
Except - Mr Belin didn't believe Adam's account of an immediate exit down the NW stairwell. She was discredited despite neither Lovelady and Shelley supporting her "version" of events. The WR LIED when it stated that Lovelady saw Victoria Adams on the first floor.

Neither Adams nor Styles were key material witnesses but their early descent proved that neither Baker nor Truly had entered the NW stairwell until AFTER both woman had exited. Further the lifts were not operating immediately post shots.

The issue that the WC completely avoided was the remaining SIX women on the Fourth floor.

Staggering when one considers this:

Mr. DULLES. There were some people on the fourth floor?

Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir. I remember seeing maybe two or three women standing in the window, looking out the window.

How could a senior member of the WC not know that there were EIGHT women on the 4th floor - a point that Lee had to cross on the landing in order to go down to the third floor?

Consider that Garner heard Adams and Styles go down the stairwell.

So where was Garner? There was a row of windows along the WESTERN wall to observe the rail yard. The WESTERN wall ran alongside the NW stairwell.

Did Garner hear or see anyone come down the NW stairwell? No.

Where do think Garner thought the shots had come from?

"I thought at the time the shots or reports came from a point to the west of the building".

FBI Statement
Dallas, Texas
March 20, 1964

If she followed Adams and Styles out into the open floor where do you think she placed herself to view the rail yard?

The WR did NOT lie when it stated that Lovelady saw Victoria Adams on the first floor.

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Re: The missing witness on Book Depository Stairway
« Reply #27 on: April 24, 2018, 01:13:58 AM »