The missing witness on Book Depository Stairway

[Tim Nickerson]

The Stroud document was REGISTERED as well. What was the reason Garner was not called up to testify?

It wasn't feasible for them to call up every single person who was in Dealey Plaza that day. The Garner statement was made very late in the investigation. There was no time or need to call her up. The Deposition of Victoria Adams was sufficient. And even that testimony wasn't necessary. 

[John Iacoletti]

It wasn't feasible for them to call up every single person who was in Dealey Plaza that day.

Is that what we're now calling the cherry-picking of witnesses who support the predetermined narrative?

[John Iacoletti]

Has anyone figured out when Leavelle's "fire at headquarters" happened that destroyed Adams' file?

[Bruce Backlund]

http://garyrevel.com/jfk/girlonstairs.html

Matt,
Thanks for posting the following-up link to "The Girl on The Stairs" book. Excellent book I bought about 3 years ago. I think Oswald was indeed around the first floor about 12:30 pm. Took the FRONT stairway to the second floor, walked down that hallway and was seen through the door window just as he was entering the lunchroom. Neither Truly or the cop said he had a Coke in his hand, but  Mrs. Reid did notice a Coke in his hand when she came back into her office. There was a Pepsi machine on the first floor, not Coke. In other words, Oswald was telling the truth. That leaves the problem of how one or two unknown gunmen escaped from the sixth floor. Truly was ahead of the cop on the stairs. Why did he not see Oswald first, or at least the door closing on the second-floor stairwell?
BB

[Zeon Mason]

There are whole lot of witness who returned into TSBD before DPD officer Barnett had  front door entrance guarded by 3min post shots, and possibly as early as 2 min 30 sec post shots.

Some of those are office women, like Martha Reed, Sarah Staunton, Gloria Cavalry. They dont have WC testimony concerning verification of Mrs Jeraldine Reids supposed sighting of Oswald entering 2nd floor office at 2 min post shots.

Only Geneva Hine, and she has a story that makes it impossible for a post Baker/Truly encounter with Mrs Reid and Oswald, with just Mrs Reid and Oswald alone at 2 min posts shots.


There is a possible scenario time line that works with both Hine and Reid if there is meeting with Mrs Reid and Oswald at before 60 sec post shots, but i have not pinpointed Reid in Couch film yet, to verify yea no nay on the possiblility. If shes there in Couch flim, when Baker is seen running, then she could not have met Oswald before Baker/Truly do. But is if Reid is not in Couch film then there exists some possibility, given her WC testimony:


r. BELIN. Now, did you look around after the shots and notice what people were doing?
Mrs. REID. Well, it was just a mass of confusion. I saw people beginning to fall, and the thought that went through my mind, my goodness I must get out of this line of shots, they may fire some more. And don't ask me why I went into the building because I don't know.
Mr. BELIN. Did you see anything else of people running or doing anything else?
Mrs. REID. No; because I ran into the building. I do not recall seeing anyone in the lobby. I ran up to our office.




Ive been trying find Mrs Reid in the Couch film or the stabilzed version here:

[Bruce Backlund]

Thanks Zeon,
That is the film of Baker I was referring to. You can see the mass confusion. This had to be seconds within the last shot, and Baker is moving fast! The only delay on the first floor was when Truly and Baker discovered the elevators unusable. But that would have been only a few seconds until they were ascending up the stairs. Yes, it's possible Oswald could have reached the 2nd-floor landing, heard voices and commotion at the bottom of the first-floor entry to the stairs, and "ducked" into the lunchroom, but this is really pushing it.

[Zeon Mason]

Inconsistences and anomalies inherent in the WC sequence for Oswald movements in TSBD between 11:45 and the presumed exit at 12:34pm:


1. Oswald not taking elevator down with Charles Givens, even though Oswald had just requested elevator be sent back up just 5 minutes earlier at 11:45?

2. Oswald choosing to use 6 flights of 18 step staircases to arrive to the same destination Givens is using elevator to get to: the 1st floor. at 12:00

3. Oswald having just descended 6 flights stairs, just to tell Eddie Piper "Im going back up"? Or did he say "im going out?

4. Oswald not seen between 12:01 and 12:14 anywhere. Where was Oswald at this time?

5. Oswald seen by Carolyn Arnold at 12:15 in the 2nd floor lunchroom, while at approx the same time, Arnold Rowland is observing a man holding rifle with large scope, in the fully open SW 6th floor TSBD corner window.


This is one of biggest conflicts in the entire sequence and is not resolved, because Carolyn Arnold was not asked some specific question, such as : Did you notice the clock on the wall in the 2nd floor lunchroom. And it is uncertain if the clocks in 2nd floor lunchroom and 2nd floor offices, were in sync with the TSBD roof clock.

Nevertheless, we are left with a peculiarity at the least:  Either Oswald was spotted by Carolyn Arnold 1st, in 2nd floor lunchroom, and then 2 min later, seen at the SW 6th floor corner window by Rowland. Or vis versa, Rowland spots Oswald 1st, on 6th floor, and then 2 min later, Carolyn Arnold sees Oswald in the lunchroom.


If Carolyn Arnold spotted Oswald 1st, what is Oswald doing in the 2nd floor lunchroom at 12:15, if he has no idea exactly when the JFK limo will arrive?
 

If Arnold Rowland spotted Oswald 1st, then Oswald then leaves the 6th floor, leaves his rifle somewhere on the 6th floor, and then goes all way back down to 2nd floor lunchroom. Why do that, when it would have been much easier to hide on the 7th floor stairwell, so as to know exactly when and if, Bonnie Ray Williams leaves the 6th floor?

6. Oswald not seen between 12:17 to 12:31:30 except for one witness with dubious claim after having stated earlier could not ID the shooter, Howard Brennan.


7. 90 sec posts shots, Baker and Truly see Oswald in the 2nd floor lunchroom. Oswald appears calm not out breath, nor perspiring, even though presumable just having run 180 ft on 6th floor, down 4 flights of 18 step staircase and traversing 80 ft of floor landings.


Now is the 2nd major conflict: How did Oswald manage to get past Dorothy Garner near the 4th floor staircase, she having just followed about 20sec behind Adams and Styles leaving 4th flloor office within approx 10 sec post shots? It a reasonable certain probability that A&S reached the 1st floor by 60 sec post shots, otherwise, would have been seen by Baker and Truly crossing 1st floor to rear elevators by 70 sec post shots.


The only possible resolution would be that Dorothy Garner waited at least 55 sec post shots before having exited the 4th floor office. This however, would be a major conflict with her statement of having followed Adams and Styles  "almost immediately" and "right behind them" and also apparently "heard them" on the staircase.


8. 2 min post shots: Oswald seen entering rear door of 2nd floor office by Mrs Robert A. Reid, BY HERSELF ALONE!  No one else saw Oswald exit the front door of the 2nd floor office, or walk down the hallway, or come down either front staircase to front lobby or use rear staircase to 1st floor. Oswald was only wearing a T-shirt, did not have his brown shirt nor jacket, even though 20 secs eariler, was seen by Baker with at least a brown shirt on.


This the 3rd biggest conflict, and is almost incredible if it is even possible, given that Mrs Reid was NOT THE ONLY ONE, who returned into TSBD before 2min post shots, yet NO ONE saw Oswald except Mrs Reid? How could Oswald have gone down either back staircase or down front staircase, and not be seen on 1st floor by anyone. How,if it takes Oswald 3 min 30 sec to even reach front lobby, having had to return to lunchroom to get his brown shirt and jacket, that Oswald is not seen, yet able to get thru guarded doors?