The missing witness on Book Depository Stairway

[Bruce Backlund]

The government as much as admitted no one heard or saw anyone or any activity on the rear stairway that day. This old Star-Telegram clipping indicates a "porter" on the fifth floor heard footsteps coming down from the sixth floor. Never any proof of this or the identity of the porter. As far as I know, three men were on the fifth floor and no one heard anybody walking down the stairs! I have read reports however of two of the three hiding behind boxes when police came UP the stairs.



Apparently, per the FBI report below, Douglas Givens, not Eddie Piper was the so-called "porter" in the February Star-Telegram story. Interestingly, Givens appears to have had a pending Marijuana rap, and his testimony in the activities inside  TSBD that day could prove favorable to him in the future!
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[Matt Grantham]

 Sure looks like Victoria Adams in the photo from Tony Again anyone now of something that looks like a timeline with so many players Also a lot of great graphics are seen here but I have not seen a configuration of the relevant portions of the TSBD ? It is of course 3D and I imagine it makes it more difficult I am grateful on what is shared here and I am not trying to complain by any means But for the lay public to understand the two stairways, elevator, etc and all the players it is pretty tough, without more of a physical understanding
 

[Zeon Mason]

Its really just a logical deduction that V.Adams and Styles HAD to have reached the 1st floor not later than 65 sec post shots, otherwise, there is no way to not have been seen by Baker and Truly who by 70 sec post shots are crossing the 1st floor diagonally from leaving the front desk area, thus have potential line of sight to the rear staircases.


If it is true that Billy Lovelady and Bill Truly have just come back into TSBD, at approx. 70 sec post shots, there was a near miss meeting with Adams/Styles on 1st floor. A&S must have exited the immediate roll up door beside the West elevator approx. 65 sec post shots,   while Lovelady and Shelly had entered TSBD 1st floor from the West side entrance, approx.70 sec post shots..seen by Baker and Truly near the elevators  approx. 75 sec post shots. This would be the point then that Truly would have told Lovelady to guard elevators. Otherwise, its nots going to be until 8 min post shots at the earliest that Truly would see Lovelady or Shelly again, since Truly and Baker are on the TSBD roof for about 5 minutes, then stop their elevator descending from roof top, on the 4th floor for several minutes more.

[Bruce Backlund]

Victoria Adams, believed to be the lady in Turquoise dress with black collar, outside TSBD on November 22nd. Unfortunately, does not tell us how early she got out of the building, but by the looks of the plain-clothes officers in the doorway, photo was probably taken closer to 1 pm, before she was allowed to reenter. This is Willis #8 slide.
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[Zeon Mason]

Jack Dougherty WC testimony suggests he had returned WEST elevator from 6th floor to 5th floor BEFORE shooting begins. He did not take it to 6th floor after that. JD took the West elevator directly from 5th floor to 1st floor just after shots fired.

Therefore the West elevator was taken DURING the ascent of B/T up the rear staircases after B/T met Oswald in 2nd floor lunchroom approx. 90 sec post shots.


If the West elevator was taken by JD  just AS Baker and Truly begin their ascent up the 4th floor staircase, and the West Elevator travels at speed of 7sec/floor, then it is possible for B/T to have missed seeing the West elevator, or anyone on it,


However, it is not so readily apparent why Baker nor Truly did not notice cables moving thru the open West elevator shaft. when they reach the 5th floor just about 10 sec after being seen by Mrs Garner on 4th floor since the West elevator would still be descending to 1st floor.

And neither did Dorothy Garner nor other office women who  joined her after Baker/Truly ascended to 5th floor, saw the West elevator going down just after B/T left 4th floor or anytime after B/T took 5th floor EAST elevator to the rooftop of TSBD.


There is no indication in Jack Dougherty WC WHEN exactly he returned using staircases after he supposedly spoke to Eddie Piper, except for a reference to meeting an FBI agent who asked JD to go look for Mr.Truly:

Mr. BALL - Did you hear Mr. Truly yell anything up the elevator shaft?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - I didn't hear anybody yell.
Mr. BALL - Or, did you see Mr. Truly?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, when the FBI men---I imagine it was who it was---he showed me his credentials, but he asked me who the manager was, and I told him, "Mr. Truly." He told me to go find him. Well, I didn't know where he was so I started from the first floor and Just started looking for him, and .by the time I got to the sixth floor, they had found a gum and shells.
Mr. BALL - When you went up to the sixth floor, it was after they found the shotgun and shells?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes, sir; and I found out later he was on the fourth floor, which I didn't find.


Mr.Ball implys JD must have been rather late, when JC actually gets to the 6th floor, this would be at least after 1:22pm then if JD does not get to 6th floor until ""after found the shotgun and shells"


And is kind of strange that BALL would say "shotgun" instead of "rifle"