Hypothetical question

[Zeon Mason]

The simple fact is that a bullet fired from the sniper's nest through JFK's upper torso and exiting from his throat could not have missed JBC. He was directly in the line of fire. Had he not been turned slightly to his right when the bullet struck, it's likely he would have been hit more toward the center of his back, probably just right of his spine. The single bullet was inevitable given where the bullet entered and exited from JFK.

As I understand  it , Andrew’s Z190 shot hitting JC in his left thigh without going thru his torso is because the angle of the limo (and hence JFKs back)  on the road at Z190 is more to the left of the TSBD shooter than at Z224.

But even with that, JC has to have his left leg turned to his left while he keeps his upper body and shoulders turned at least 45 rightward such that the bullet goes past his left shoulder.

Theoretically , maybe this is possible , however until some serious 3D computer modeling is done like Myers did, it remains doubtful. 

My major question about a Z190 shot hitting JC in left inner thigh is if the bullet buried deeply into his thigh or not?

If it did then any flakes of metal removed from JCs thigh must be CE 399 because supposedly that bullet hit JC in the wrist and the metal flakes left in his wrist were from CE 399.

Thus Z190 cannot be CE 399 since Z190 does not hit JCs right hand.

If the Z190 bullet does not remain in JCs thigh, then how much was it slowed down from tangentially grazing it? It’s hitting at 1500 ft/sec after being slowed by JFK, so depending how much thigh muscle slows it down, it’s still probably traveling at least 900 ft/ sec after that.

And that Z190 bullet coming in at that downward angle it’s got no place to go after striking JCs inner thigh except THRU the front seat probably on the middle of the seat. This might be theoretically possible but there does not appear to be (in the limo photos)  a hole in the seat.

It’s too bad they did not preserve the limo for future analysis.

[John Corbett]

As I understand  it , Andrew’s Z190 shot hitting JC in his left thigh without going thru his torso is because the angle of the limo (and hence JFKs back)  on the road at Z190 is more to the left of the TSBD shooter than at Z224.

But even with that, JC has to have his left leg turned to his left while he keeps his upper body and shoulders turned at least 45 rightward such that the bullet goes past his left shoulder.

Theoretically , maybe this is possible , however until some serious 3D computer modeling is done like Myers did, it remains doubtful. 

My major question about a Z190 shot hitting JC in left inner thigh is if the bullet buried deeply into his thigh or not?

If it did then any flakes of metal removed from JCs thigh must be CE 399 because supposedly that bullet hit JC in the wrist and the metal flakes left in his wrist were from CE 399.

Thus Z190 cannot be CE 399 since Z190 does not hit JCs right hand.

If the Z190 bullet does not remain in JCs thigh, then how much was it slowed down from tangentially grazing it? It’s hitting at 1500 ft/sec after being slowed by JFK, so depending how much thigh muscle slows it down, it’s still probably traveling at least 900 ft/ sec after that.

And that Z190 bullet coming in at that downward angle it’s got no place to go after striking JCs inner thigh except THRU the front seat probably on the middle of the seat. This might be theoretically possible but there does not appear to be (in the limo photos)  a hole in the seat.

It’s too bad they did not preserve the limo for future analysis.

The angle of the limo didn't change that much from Z190 to Z220. That's less than 2 seconds and the car had just come out of a very sharp turn that would have forced it to slow down. While the change in angle would have turned JBC's thigh farther left in relation to JFK, it also would have moved his torso farther left making it even less likely the bullet exiting JFK's throat would have gone to the left of JBC's torso. 

Another problem with a Z190 shot is Oswald would have had to fire through the tree. Why would he do that when waiting just over one second would give him a clear shot. Now only would his view of his target have been obscured, firing through the trees raised the possibility of the shot being deflected by a branch. Even a minor deflection could cause a miss.

In short, there isn't much about Andrew's theory that makes much sense to anyone but Andrew.

[Andrew Mason]

The angle of the limo didn't change that much from Z190 to Z220. That's less than 2 seconds and the car had just come out of a very sharp turn that would have forced it to slow down. While the change in angle would have turned JBC's thigh farther left in relation to JFK, it also would have moved his torso farther left making it even less likely the bullet exiting JFK's throat would have gone to the left of JBC's torso. 

I am having difficulty understanding how the position of the car along Elm St. changes the relative positions of the two men.  The horizontal angle of the bullet trajectory to the car direction is greater at z190 than at z220. At z193 it is about 17 degrees:


It is less at z220 because it is farther down the road and the road curves a bit farther left.  I put it at about 10 degrees:



So at z193 the bullet moves farther left over the 24” feet between JFK’s neck exit wound and the back of the jumpseat by 24tan17=7 inches. If JFK was pressed against the side of the car the bullet would have exited about 8 inches left of the inside wall of the car beside JFK. JBC’s back was not pressed against the back of his seat at z193 and he was turned right. If his left shoulder was 6” forward of the seat back it would move an additional 2 inches farther left.  The thigh would be another 12” farther forward so a bullet would have moved another 4 inches farther left before reaching the thigh: total 13 inches left of JFK’s exit wound.

Another problem with a Z190 shot is Oswald would have had to fire through the tree. Why would he do that when waiting just over one second would give him a clear shot. Now only would his view of his target have been obscured, firing through the trees raised the possibility of the shot being deflected by a branch. Even a minor deflection could cause a miss.

JFK was clear of the tree when he was just past the lamp post and not yet up to the Thornton sign. He was visible at all times as he passed under the tree.  This is evident from the Secret Service film:

[John Corbett]

Give it up, Andrew. It doesn't work. Never did. Never will. 'nuff said.