Gov. John Connally Grips His White Stetson Hat at Z-272

[Andrew Mason]

From the time the limo left Love Field until JFK disappeared behind the sign, his right elbow was resting on the side of the limo or extended outside of it as can be seen at the 1:10 mark of this video:

The video shows his right side was as far to the right as possible.

Here is z226:



JFK’s right ribcage is not only not pressed against the side of the car, we can see that he is farther left than JBC

[John Corbett]

Here is z226:



JFK’s right ribcage is not only not pressed against the side of the car, we can see that he is farther left than JBC

Just one question. What have you been sniffing?

At no time was JFK to the left of JBC.

[Tom Graves]

Just one question. What have you been sniffing?

At no time was JFK to the left of JBC.

Drainpipes.

While reciting the alphabet.

[Andrew Mason]

Just one question. What have you been sniffing?

At no time was JFK to the left of JBC.

Ok. So Dave Powers was hallucinating when he said, under oath (7 H 473):

" I noticed then that the President moved quite far to his left after the shot from the extreme right hand side where he had been sitting. There was a second shot and Governor Connally disappeared from sight and then there was a third shot which took off the top of the President’s head and had the sickening sound of a grapefruit splattering against the side of a wall. The total time between the first and third shots was about 5 or 6 seconds."

[John Corbett]

Ok. So Dave Powers was hallucinating when he said, under oath (7 H 473):

" I noticed then that the President moved quite far to his left after the shot from the extreme right hand side where he had been sitting. There was a second shot and Governor Connally disappeared from sight and then there was a third shot which took off the top of the President’s head and had the sickening sound of a grapefruit splattering against the side of a wall. The total time between the first and third shots was about 5 or 6 seconds."

Not hallucinating. Just confused. JFK did move left AFTER he was shot. Powers got mixed up as to which shot first hit JFK. He was correct that JFK moved left after he was shot. if I understand what you have said, you are saying that the reason the bullet that exited JFK's throat missed JBC's torso is because JFK had moved left BEFORE he was shot. So which is it? Are you saying that JFK moved left before or after he was shot?

[Andrew Mason]

Not hallucinating. Just confused. JFK did move left AFTER he was shot. Powers got mixed up as to which shot first hit JFK. He was correct that JFK moved left after he was shot. if I understand what you have said, you are saying that the reason the bullet that exited JFK's throat missed JBC's torso is because JFK had moved left BEFORE he was shot. So which is it? Are you saying that JFK moved left before or after he was shot?

It doesn’t matter what I believe. What matters is what the evidence says.  And it says that JFK moved far to the left after the first shot.  You think he moved left after the second shot because you think you are better able to determine what happened than those who were there because of what you think is causing various movements seen in the zfilm.

But for purposes of this discussion, that doesn’t matter. The issue is whether JFK moved left when he was hit. I say that in z225 and after he has moved significantly left of where he had been as seen in z193 and before.  I base that not only from the visual evidence from the zfilm and from Altgens #6 but from witnesses, like Powers, who said he moved significantly to the left.

[John Corbett]

It doesn’t matter what I believe.

At last you have said something I can fully agree with.

What matters is what the evidence says.  And it says that JFK moved far to the left after the first shot.  You think he moved left after the second shot because you think you are better able to determine what happened than those who were there because of what you think is causing various movements seen in the zfilm.

i am better able to determine what happened because I base my beliefs on what the Z-film shows while those witnesses gave their accounts based on fallible human memories. Almost all of these accounts were given before the Z-film became widely available for people to view. You have this silly idea that when an eye or ear witness tells us something, it must be true. Just about everything you believe is based on what somebody said, even though other somebodies told us a different story.

But for purposes of this discussion, that doesn’t matter. The issue is whether JFK moved left when he was hit. I say that in z225 and after he has moved significantly left of where he had been as seen in z193 and before.  I base that not only from the visual evidence from the zfilm and from Altgens #6 but from witnesses, like Powers, who said he moved significantly to the left.

Fair enough. So if JFK didn't move left until after he was shot, how is it possible the bullet that exited from the center of his throat could have passed to the left of JBC's torso when JBC was seated to the left of JFK?