Gov. John Connally Grips His White Stetson Hat at Z-272

[Andrew Mason]

You keep saying things that don't make sense. If everybody was focused on the Kennedys before the shots and the first shot struck JFK as you believe, why would anyone shift their focus to JBC after seeing JFK reacting to being shot. What kind of sense does that make.

Evidence is what it is - even if you are unable to think of a reason that JBC would have been in Gayle Newman’s field of view at the time of the second shot.
Maybe it was because, as she said, the second shot happened when the car was right in front of her.

[John Corbett]

Evidence is what it is - even if you are unable to think of a reason that JBC would have been in Gayle Newman’s field of view at the time of the second shot.
Maybe it was because, as she said, the second shot happened when the car was right in front of her.

I don't care where the limo was. There would be no way Gayle Newman would be focused on JBC if JFK had been hit and JBC had not. The only reason for her to shift her attention to JBC would be if JBC was also reacting to having been shot.

[Andrew Mason]

I don't care where the limo was. There would be no way Gayle Newman would be focused on JBC if JFK had been hit and JBC had not. The only reason for her to shift her attention to JBC would be if JBC was also reacting to having been shot.

Why do you think she would not have been able to see both JBC and JFK at the same time?.  Not everyone suffers as you might from tunnel vision, John. 

[John Corbett]

Why do you think she would not have been able to see both JBC and JFK at the same time?.  Not everyone suffers might from tunnel vision, John.

It has to do with what she would have been focusing on. You think she would have been more focused on which way JBC's shoulders were turned than on the POTUS raising his arms in front of him in reaction to having been shot through the throat. It's just another in a long list of goofy things you believe. Let's just list them.

At Z164, JBC starts to rotate to his right to look over his right shoulder in reaction to a gunshot that wouldn't be fired until on second later.

At Z193, Oswald fires a shot through the tree between him and JFK even though he only needed to wait one more second to have a clear shot.

JFK is shot in the back and the bullet exits from his throat. Even though JBC is sitting a half a body width to the left of JFK, the bullet miraculously misses to the left of JBC's torso and strikes JBC in his left thigh which for some strange reason is splayed way out to his left even though he is rotating to his right.

The bullet that exited JFK's throat without hitting any bone only has enough velocity to penetrate only an inch or two into JBC's thigh, even though a 6.5mm Carcano bullet is capable of penetrating 3 feet of pine wood.

Despite JFK having been shot through the throat and JBC having been shot in the thigh, JFK continues to calmly wave to the spectators to the right of Elm St. and JBC just as calmly continues with the rotation he began one second before he was shot.

33 frames after both men have been, both men finally react to being shot at exactly the same time when JFK raises both his arms up in front of his throat and JBC flips his right arm upward, a rather strange way to react to being shot in the thigh.

After flipping his right arm upward in reaction to being shot in the thigh, JBC twists and dips dramatically to his right in reaction to his thigh wound.

JBC continues his reaction to his thigh wound by turning his shoulders about 90 degrees so they are parallel to the side of the car and his head turns 180 degrees to the rear so that he is facing both JFK and the shooter.

With JBC's shoulders 90 degrees to the right at about Z270, a shooter from his right rear fires a shot into his back near his right armpit that miraculously exits from under his right nipple.

Oswald, after taking about 4 seconds between his first and second shots, fires the next shot in the bare minimum time of 2.3 seconds for an aimed shot and scores a perfect headshot.

Your scenario requires one fantastic occurence after another. Ten in total. Did I miss any?

[Andrew Mason]

It has to do with what she would have been focusing on. You think she would have been more focused on which way JBC's shoulders were turned than on the POTUS raising his arms in front of him in reaction to having been shot through the through the throat.

Your comments would be better if you read what I wrote first.   I am talking about the second shot occurring when the car was passing in front of Gayle Newman down by the lamp post.  JFK was not moving at that time.  He had already reacted and she observed him react.  In her statement made to the Dallas Sheriff a few hours after the events, she said (22 H 842):

"President Kennedy kind of jumped like he was startled and covered his head with his hands and then raised up.  After I heard the first shot, another shot sounded and Governor Connally kind of grabbed his chest and lay back on the seat of the car."

Not surprisingly, it is very similar to what she said in her WFAA-TV interview by Jay Watson about 20 minutes after the events in which she said that JBC was turned to his side at the time of the second shot.

It's just another in a long list of goofy things you believe. Let's just list them.

At Z164, JBC starts to rotate to his right to look over his right shoulder in reaction to a gunshot that wouldn't be fired until on second later.

Except that this corresponds to the last turn to the right that JFK made which Mary Woodward observed.  She said that after she shouted to the President to get his attention and he turned and smiled and waved at her group and that they were the last people JFK ever acknowledged because as the car passed by there was the first "horrible ear-shattering noise".  So, you can ignore that and speculate that JBC was turning in response to a shot. But that is not the evidence.

At Z193, Oswald fires a shot through the tree between him and JFK even though he only needed to wait one more second to have a clear shot.

Again, you don't seem to read very well.  Or perhaps it is just a comprehension thing. I have shown repeatedly that JFK was clear of the tree as seen in the Secret Service film when he was just past the lamp post (z190) but before passing the Thornton sign (z200).  I put it closer to the lamp post - about z193.

JFK is shot in the back and the bullet exits from his throat. Even though JBC is sitting a half a body width to the left of JFK, the bullet miraculously misses to the left of JBC's torso and strikes JBC in his left thigh which for some strange reason is splayed way out to his left even though he is rotating to his right.

The bullet that exited JFK's throat without hitting any bone only has enough velocity to penetrate only an inch or two into JBC's thigh, even though a 6.5mm Carcano bullet is capable of penetrating 3 feet of pine wood.

Despite JFK having been shot through the throat and JBC having been shot in the thigh, JFK continues to calmly wave to the spectators to the right of Elm St. and JBC just as calmly continues with the rotation he began one second before he was shot.

33 frames after both men have been, both men finally react to being shot at exactly the same time when JFK raises both his arms up in front of his throat and JBC flips his right arm upward, a rather strange way to react to being shot in the thigh.

After flipping his right arm upward in reaction to being shot in the thigh, JBC twists and dips dramatically to his right in reaction to his thigh wound.

Sigh.  You really don't read anything I write, do you?  I have NEVER suggested that JBC reacted to his thigh wound.  He reacted to hearing the first shot and realizing an assassination was unfolding.

JBC continues his reaction to his thigh wound by turning his shoulders about 90 degrees so they are parallel to the side of the car and his head turns 180 degrees to the rear so that he is facing both JFK and the shooter.

Just as he said - he turned to look at JFK because he was worried that JFK was being assassinated.

[John Corbett]

Your comments would be better if you read what I wrote first.   I am talking about the second shot occurring when the car was passing in front of Gayle Newman down by the lamp post.  JFK was not moving at that time.  He had already reacted and she observed him react.  In her statement made to the Dallas Sheriff a few hours after the events, she said (22 H 842):

"President Kennedy kind of jumped like he was startled and covered his head with his hands and then raised up.  After I heard the first shot, another shot sounded and Governor Connally kind of grabbed his chest and lay back on the seat of the car."

Not surprisingly, it is very similar to what she said in her WFAA-TV interview by Jay Watson about 20 minutes after the events in which she said that JBC was turned to his side at the time of the second shot.
Except that this corresponds to the last turn to the right that JFK made which Mary Woodward observed.  She said that after she shouted to the President to get his attention and he turned and smiled and waved at her group and that they were the last people JFK ever acknowledged because as the car passed by there was the first "horrible ear-shattering noise".  So, you can ignore that and speculate that JBC was turning in response to a shot. But that is not the evidence.
Again, you don't seem to read very well.  Or perhaps it is just a comprehension thing. I have shown repeatedly that JFK was clear of the tree as seen in the Secret Service film when he was just past the lamp post (z190) but before passing the Thornton sign (z200).  I put it closer to the lamp post - about z193.
Sigh.  You really don't read anything I write, do you?  I have NEVER suggested that JBC reacted to his thigh wound.  He reacted to hearing the first shot and realizing an assassination was unfolding.
Just as he said - he turned to look at JFK because he was worried that JFK was being assassinated.

You finally got one thing right. I don't understand anything you write. None of it makes the least bit of sense. Do you ever stop to wonder why you're the only one who believes the JFKA happened that way?

[Andrew Mason]

You finally got one thing right. I don't understand anything you write. None of it makes the least bit of sense. Do you ever stop to wonder why you're the only one who believes the JFKA happened that way?

Your notion of what makes sense is rather selective.  How does a first shot that misses the entire car make sense? How does it make sense that there was a missed first shot that not a single person noticed while at least 22 said didn’t miss?  How does it make sense that the vast majority of witnesses recalled the last two being closer together and in rapid succession, yet supposedly, in reality, they were about equally spaced 5 seconds apart?