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« Reply #80 on: Yesterday at 02:24:01 PM »

I disagree. The shadow of the traffic light pole indicates Baker is on the other side of it. Plus it appears to me that his helmet disappears behind the traffic light pole. I do believe the no parking sign pole is on the other side of Baker.



     Baker's head/helmet is consistently obscured by 2 people that are also in motion. This "three card monty" is deceiving to the eye. Officer Baker's boot is not obscured by anything. It even glistens in the sun for a couple of frames. Baker is clearly on the (R) of the traffic light pole.
     The motion of these 2 people is also why we need to be very careful with the placement of Fedora Man. Fedora Man is also moving around as Wiegman was filming this same general area. And Wiegman was panning his camera while filming from inside a moving car that was turning onto Elm St.
      As the JFK Limo passed by an eyewitness, and that eyewitness then could only see the back of JFK or Jackie, they generally began to move around. This is natural. By the time that Wiegman began filming Fedora Man, the JFK Limo was well down Elm St.   

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« Reply #81 on: Yesterday at 03:25:51 PM »
     Baker's head/helmet is consistently obscured by 2 people that are also in motion. This "three card monty" is deceiving to the eye. Officer Baker's boot is not obscured by anything. It even glistens in the sun for a couple of frames. Baker is clearly on the (R) of the traffic light pole.
     The motion of these 2 people is also why we need to be very careful with the placement of Fedora Man. Fedora Man is also moving around as Wiegman was filming this same general area. And Wiegman was panning his camera while filming from inside a moving car that was turning onto Elm St.
      As the JFK Limo passed by an eyewitness, and that eyewitness then could only see the back of JFK or Jackie, they generally began to move around. This is natural. By the time that Wiegman began filming Fedora Man, the JFK Limo was well down Elm St.   

 Hold everything! ( No pun intended).  I'M WRONG, and ROYELL IS CORRECT.  Baker does pass in *front* of the traffic signal pole!  I am working on making a GIF of Marrion Baker, as seen in my copy of the Darnell film.  It's unmistakable that he is between Darnell's camera and the light signal pole. 
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« Reply #82 on: Yesterday at 04:15:28 PM »
Hold everything! ( No pun intended).  I'M WRONG, and ROYELL IS CORRECT.  Baker does pass in *front* of the traffic signal pole!  I am working on making a GIF of Marrion Baker, as seen in my copy of the Darnell film.  It's unmistakable that he is between Darnell's camera and the light signal pole.


I must have been looking at the wrong shadow then. The pole’s shadow appears to be very thin and easily missed. Thanks Steve and Royell.

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« Reply #83 on: Yesterday at 09:21:31 PM »

I must have been looking at the wrong shadow then. The pole’s shadow appears to be very thin and easily missed. Thanks Steve and Royell.

Does it really matter which side of "the pole" Baker ran?

Isn't the important thing the fact that the Storing's Abandoned Getaway Car, a seventeen-and-a-half-foot-long 1958 Pontiac Bonneville -- with its distinctive rocket 'exhaust' delineated by two horizontal lines on the rear panel -- can be seen parked next to the island in several photographic images, including the Darnell clip and, about twenty-five seconds earlier in the Wiegman clip, and that in the latter it visually merges with a car that may be parked the wrong way on the other side of Elm Street Extension?

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« Reply #84 on: Yesterday at 10:04:10 PM »
Does it really matter which side of "the pole" Baker ran?

Isn't the important thing the fact that the Storing's Abandoned Getaway Car, a seventeen-and-a-half-foot-long 1958 Pontiac Bonneville -- with its distinctive rocket 'exhaust' delineated by two horizontal lines on the rear panel -- can be seen parked next to the island in several photographic images, including the Darnell clip and, about twenty-five seconds earlier in the Wiegman clip, and that in the latter it visually merges with a car parked the wrong way on the other side of Elm Street Extension?



It matters to me primarily because I like learning how to interpret the photographic record more accurately. But I agree it seems mostly irrelevant to the discussion we were having before this question arose.

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« Reply #85 on: Yesterday at 10:46:08 PM »
Tom Graves asked:

"Does it really matter which side of 'the pole' Baker ran? Isn't the important thing the fact that the Storing's Abandoned Getaway Car, a seventeen-and-a-half-foot-long 1958 Pontiac Bonneville -- with its distinctive rocket 'exhaust' delineated by two horizontal lines on the rear panel -- can be seen parked next to the island in several photographic images, including the Darnell clip and, about twenty-five seconds earlier, in the Wiegman clip, and that in the latter it visually merges with a car that may be parked the wrong way on the other side of Elm Street Extension?"

My reply:

It matters to me primarily because I like learning how to interpret the photographic record more accurately. But I agree it seems mostly irrelevant to the discussion we were having before this question arose.

I see.
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