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Online Charles Collins

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Re: Nothing seems to have changed
« Reply #77 on: February 15, 2026, 10:44:30 AM »
As I said in my previous post, Baker is running between the traffic signal pole and the tree of highway signs-also on a pole.  He's clearly on the western side of the traffic signal pole, not the eastern side of it.



Thanks Steve, there is also a third pole that isn’t apparent from this angle but shows up in the William Allen photo of the tramps crossing the street. It is reportedly a parking sign and is inline with and behind the traffic signal pole from the angle in Weigman’s and Darnell’s films. It appears to me that Baker also runs between the traffic signal pole and that parking sign pole.

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« Reply #78 on: February 15, 2026, 11:11:38 AM »
Thanks Steve, there is also a third pole that isn’t apparent from this angle but shows up in the William Allen photo of the tramps crossing the street. It is reportedly a parking sign and is in line with and behind the traffic signal pole from the angle in Weigman’s and Darnell’s films. It appears to me that Baker also runs between the traffic signal pole and that parking sign pole.

How many feet of "island" did Baker run across?

Online Charles Collins

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Re: Nothing seems to have changed
« Reply #79 on: February 15, 2026, 12:12:49 PM »
How many feet of "island" did Baker run across?



My guesstimate:


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Re: Nothing seems to have changed
« Reply #80 on: February 15, 2026, 02:24:01 PM »

I disagree. The shadow of the traffic light pole indicates Baker is on the other side of it. Plus it appears to me that his helmet disappears behind the traffic light pole. I do believe the no parking sign pole is on the other side of Baker.



     Baker's head/helmet is consistently obscured by 2 people that are also in motion. This "three card monty" is deceiving to the eye. Officer Baker's boot is not obscured by anything. It even glistens in the sun for a couple of frames. Baker is clearly on the (R) of the traffic light pole.
     The motion of these 2 people is also why we need to be very careful with the placement of Fedora Man. Fedora Man is also moving around as Wiegman was filming this same general area. And Wiegman was panning his camera while filming from inside a moving car that was turning onto Elm St.
      As the JFK Limo passed by an eyewitness, and that eyewitness then could only see the back of JFK or Jackie, they generally began to move around. This is natural. By the time that Wiegman began filming Fedora Man, the JFK Limo was well down Elm St.   

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Re: Nothing seems to have changed
« Reply #81 on: February 15, 2026, 03:25:51 PM »
     Baker's head/helmet is consistently obscured by 2 people that are also in motion. This "three card monty" is deceiving to the eye. Officer Baker's boot is not obscured by anything. It even glistens in the sun for a couple of frames. Baker is clearly on the (R) of the traffic light pole.
     The motion of these 2 people is also why we need to be very careful with the placement of Fedora Man. Fedora Man is also moving around as Wiegman was filming this same general area. And Wiegman was panning his camera while filming from inside a moving car that was turning onto Elm St.
      As the JFK Limo passed by an eyewitness, and that eyewitness then could only see the back of JFK or Jackie, they generally began to move around. This is natural. By the time that Wiegman began filming Fedora Man, the JFK Limo was well down Elm St.   

 Hold everything! ( No pun intended).  I'M WRONG, and ROYELL IS CORRECT.  Baker does pass in *front* of the traffic signal pole!  I am working on making a GIF of Marrion Baker, as seen in my copy of the Darnell film.  It's unmistakable that he is between Darnell's camera and the light signal pole. 
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Re: Nothing seems to have changed
« Reply #82 on: February 15, 2026, 04:15:28 PM »
Hold everything! ( No pun intended).  I'M WRONG, and ROYELL IS CORRECT.  Baker does pass in *front* of the traffic signal pole!  I am working on making a GIF of Marrion Baker, as seen in my copy of the Darnell film.  It's unmistakable that he is between Darnell's camera and the light signal pole.


I must have been looking at the wrong shadow then. The pole’s shadow appears to be very thin and easily missed. Thanks Steve and Royell.

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Re: Nothing seems to have changed
« Reply #83 on: February 15, 2026, 09:21:31 PM »

I must have been looking at the wrong shadow then. The pole’s shadow appears to be very thin and easily missed. Thanks Steve and Royell.

Does it really matter which side of "the pole" Baker ran?

Isn't the important thing the fact that the Storing's Abandoned Getaway Car, a seventeen-and-a-half-foot-long 1958 Pontiac Bonneville -- with its distinctive rocket 'exhaust' delineated by two horizontal lines on the rear panel -- can be seen parked next to the island in several photographic images, including the Darnell clip and, about twenty-five seconds earlier in the Wiegman clip, and that in the latter it visually merges with a car that may be parked the wrong way on the other side of Elm Street Extension?

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