Does Connally's wrist wound disprove the SBT?

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Online Benjamin Cole

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Re: Does Connally's wrist wound disprove the SBT?
« Reply #16 on: Today at 11:58:58 AM »
This problem remains:

Connally: I was knocked over, just doubled over by the force of the bullet. It went in my back and came out my chest about 2 inches below and the left of my right nipple. The force of the bullet drove my body over almost double and when I looked, immediately I could see I was just drenched with blood. (1 HSCA 42)

That happens ~Z-295.

As Z-223? Connally looks fresh as a daisy.

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Re: Does Connally's wrist wound disprove the SBT?
« Reply #17 on: Today at 12:37:53 PM »
Some people say Gov. JBC was shot through the wrist while holding his cowboy hat.



The image above is Z-223. JFK was likely shot ~Z-220 in his upper back.

OK, JBC does not look injured, although, according to the SBT, a slug has passed through his chest, taking out part of rib, exited his front, leaving a large gaping wound, then entered the dorsal side of his wrist and fractured it, before penetrating his left thigh.

I don't see JBC's gray cowboy hat in Z-223, unless it is the blue-ish (not red!) smudge on his chest, below the tie of the necktie. If that is cowboy hat, then JBC is very likely holding it with the ventral side of his wrist facing his chest.

Could a bullet have passed through the wrist holding the cowboy hat, and then entered his left thigh? The wrist seems too close to the right side of JBC.

How did the bullet pass through JBC's wrist from the dorsal (wristwatch side)?

At Z-227, JBC appears to holding his cowboy hat in front of himself, although the image is blurry.

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JBC and his wife both said the shot pattern was: JFK struck by the first audible shot, JBC by the second, and JFK by the third.

Something doesn't add up about the SBT.

The still below is from z-frame 222.
It is the frame BEFORE the first shot passes through both JFK and JBC.
I've circled the cuff of JBCs shirt which shows his right hand was held up in front of his chest just before the shot passed through him.



Below is a crop from the next frame, z223.
Note, the cuff is no longer present. The bullet has struck JBC's wrist and, momentarily, knocked his hand downwards.
The bullet has passed through JFK and JBC IN BETWEEN z222 and z223.
It is an amount of time so small as to be difficult to comprehend. It is a fraction of the time it takes to blink.



Note, also, that JBC still looks calm and composed in z223. This is how he looked as he passed behind the Stemmons sign. Even though he has been shot through he still looks composed because the time periods we are dealing with are so small that he hasn't had time to react to being shot.
His reaction begins in the next frame, z224.
This is also the frame that captures the moment all the bone/gristle/blood is blown out of his chest and causes the right side of his jacket to bulge forward.
Below is a cropped combination of z223 and z224 showing this bulging effect:



The clip below starts at z222.
We see JBC's shirt cuff, which instantly disappears and reappears in a fraction of a second.
From being calm and composed, JBC begins to react in a really violent and extreme way.
Both men have clearly been shot through at this point.


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Re: Does Connally's wrist wound disprove the SBT?
« Reply #18 on: Today at 01:02:19 PM »
The still below is from z-frame 222.
It is the frame BEFORE the first shot passes through both JFK and JBC.
I've circled the cuff of JBCs shirt which shows his right hand was held up in front of his chest just before the shot passed through him.



Below is a crop from the next frame, z223.
Note, the cuff is no longer present. The bullet has struck JBC's wrist and, momentarily, knocked his hand downwards.
The bullet has passed through JFK and JBC IN BETWEEN z222 and z223.
It is an amount of time so small as to be difficult to comprehend. It is a fraction of the time it takes to blink.



Note, also, that JBC still looks calm and composed in z223. This is how he looked as he passed behind the Stemmons sign. Even though he has been shot through he still looks composed because the time periods we are dealing with are so small that he hasn't had time to react to being shot.
His reaction begins in the next frame, z224.
This is also the frame that captures the moment all the bone/gristle/blood is blown out of his chest and causes the right side of his jacket to bulge forward.
Below is a cropped combination of z223 and z224 showing this bulging effect:



The clip below starts at z222.
We see JBC's shirt cuff, which instantly disappears and reappears in a fraction of a second.
From being calm and composed, JBC begins to react in a really violent and extreme way.
Both men have clearly been shot through at this point.




Great post Dan. I hadn’t noticed the cuff in z222 before. As long as JBC’s wrist was in the path of the bullet, it shouldn’t matter whether or not it was down in his lap or up near his chest. I think that the bullet’s path would have been deflected by his wrist bone. And if it was up near his chest (as it appears in your post), the bullet would seem to have ample time and space to reach JBC’s left thigh.

JBC’s drastic right shoulder drop and obvious pain on his face are what appear to me to be the doubling over reaction to the impact of the bullet.

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Re: Does Connally's wrist wound disprove the SBT?
« Reply #19 on: Today at 02:17:28 PM »
This problem remains:

Connally: I was knocked over, just doubled over by the force of the bullet. It went in my back and came out my chest about 2 inches below and the left of my right nipple. The force of the bullet drove my body over almost double and when I looked, immediately I could see I was just drenched with blood. (1 HSCA 42)

That happens ~Z-295.

As Z-223? Connally looks fresh as a daisy.


Not a problem in my book, just an incorrect interpretation. Also, take a look at the image below from Don Roberdeau’s map. You should be able to see that JFK was directly in front (90-degrees to line of travel) of the Newmans at about z295. Since JBC was seated in front of JFK, that places JBC a little past the Newmans at about z295. Therefore the Newmans would see JBC’s back at about z295 (if they were to be looking at him). Yet, the Newmans reportedly said they saw blood already pooled on JBC’s shirt before he passed them (which would have to have been prior to the Z295 time frame in order for them to see the front of his shirt). So, it seems quite apparent that JBC was hit prior to the z295 time frame (contrary to what you are suggesting).




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Re: Does Connally's wrist wound disprove the SBT?
« Reply #20 on: Today at 02:55:05 PM »
The still below is from z-frame 222.
It is the frame BEFORE the first shot passes through both JFK and JBC.
I've circled the cuff of JBCs shirt which shows his right hand was held up in front of his chest just before the shot passed through him.



Below is a crop from the next frame, z223.
Note, the cuff is no longer present. The bullet has struck JBC's wrist and, momentarily, knocked his hand downwards.
The bullet has passed through JFK and JBC IN BETWEEN z222 and z223.
It is an amount of time so small as to be difficult to comprehend. It is a fraction of the time it takes to blink.



Note, also, that JBC still looks calm and composed in z223. This is how he looked as he passed behind the Stemmons sign. Even though he has been shot through he still looks composed because the time periods we are dealing with are so small that he hasn't had time to react to being shot.
His reaction begins in the next frame, z224.
This is also the frame that captures the moment all the bone/gristle/blood is blown out of his chest and causes the right side of his jacket to bulge forward.
Below is a cropped combination of z223 and z224 showing this bulging effect:



The clip below starts at z222.
We see JBC's shirt cuff, which instantly disappears and reappears in a fraction of a second.
From being calm and composed, JBC begins to react in a really violent and extreme way.
Both men have clearly been shot through at this point.



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Re: Does Connally's wrist wound disprove the SBT?
« Reply #21 on: Today at 03:54:16 PM »
   DAN -  Go to YOU TUBE.   Search -  " Zapruder Film JFK Assassination Best Quality HD 1080p"   by - windvale  (0:28)

       That's a far better Z Film Copy than the one you have posted above.

I'm already aware of Windvale's site - https://www.youtube.com/@windvale/videos

Although it's a great resource, nothing he has posted is that much better in quality.