Does Connally's wrist wound disprove the SBT?

[Dan O'meara]

RS--

That is correct.

I didn't want to go through the whole song-and-dance, but in fact Gov. JBC makes a 180-degree turn in his seat after Z-223, then begins to again face forward, and then is struck and pushed forward violently ~Z-295.

Exactly as he testified to the WC and HSCA.

Those who posit that JBC was shot at ~Z-223, are also positing JBC makes a 180-degree run in his seat to check on JFK---after JBC had been shot through the chest, had a section of rib expelled through a large exit wound in his chest, then had his wrist fractured and then had a bullet penetrate his thigh.

That just does seem to hold water.

In fact, the only reason I believe there was a JFKA conspiracy is the cadence of shots. A single-shot per bolt-action rifle could not strike JBC and JFK within one second.

That leads to a second gunsel. The GK smoke-and-bang show is also suspicious, and possibly a diversion.

I suspect there was a small plot to perp the JFKA, although if G2 was involved, who knows how high up it went.

Those who posit that JBC was shot at ~Z-223, are also positing JBC makes a 180-degree run in his seat to check on JFK---after JBC had been shot through the chest, had a section of rib expelled through a large exit wound in his chest, then had his wrist fractured and then had a bullet penetrate his thigh.

That just does seem to hold water.

After the head shot, JBC turns away from the spray of material coming from JFK's head, so much so we can no longer see his head.
Seconds later he pops back up and appears to be looking back towards JFK.
According to your logic, this shouldn't be possible.




I didn't want to go through the whole song-and-dance, but in fact Gov. JBC makes a 180-degree turn in his seat after Z-223, then begins to again face forward, and then is struck and pushed forward violently ~Z-295.

Exactly as he testified to the WC and HSCA.

This part of your post is so wrong it's hard to know where to begin.
You make three 'observations':

1] JBC makes a 180-degree turn on his seat after Z-223
2] after this he "begins to again face forward".
3] After this he is " struck and pushed forward violently ~Z-295".

You then state that these observations were "exactly" as JBC testified to.
Firstly - JBC never stated that he did any of the things you claim he testified to.
Secondly - only one of your 'observations' is shown in the Z-film. After being shot JBC did turn 180 degrees in his seat and was facing JFK.
After this he 'swooned' into Nellie's lap.
He made no attempt to face forward.

But the truly bizarre claim is that JBC was "struck and pushed forward violently ~Z-295"
I have to question whether or not you've actually watched the Zapruder film.
At z295 JBC is lying in Nellie's lap. It is impossible for him to be shot in the back while in this prone position.
Furthermore, he stays in this position until after the head shot at z313!

It's hard to know what to think about such a wildly inaccurate claim concerning a fundamental piece of evidence.

[Benjamin Cole]

Connally: "I was knocked over, just doubled over by the force of the bullet. It went in my back and came out my chest about 2 inches below and the left of my right nipple. The force of the bullet drove my body over almost double and when I looked, immediately I could see I was just drenched with blood." (1 HSCA 42)

This is what JBC told the HSCA.

https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z302.jpg

This (above) is JBC--not yet in his wife's lap. But mouth open, appears to be in pain.

I am not sure what you are driving at.

Actually, in reviewing this again, it may be that JBC was struck even later than Z-295, but it is hard to tell. That is my best guess.

In any event, Happy New Year!

Caveat emptor, and draw your won conclusions.

[Tom Graves]

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John B. Connally was a handsome, smooth-talking, charismatic politician who got ahead by projecting oodles and gobs of self-confidence.

I suspect that he wasn't nearly as sure about what had happened during the 10.2 seconds it took Oswald to fire all three shots as he pretended to be.

I think he made a lot of stuff up based on his foggy recollections and those of his wife.

To use AI terminology, he "hallucinated."

Kinda like GROK on steroids.

[Royell Storing]

Connally: "I was knocked over, just doubled over by the force of the bullet. It went in my back and came out my chest about 2 inches below and the left of my right nipple. The force of the bullet drove my body over almost double and when I looked, immediately I could see I was just drenched with blood." (1 HSCA 42)

This is what JBC told the HSCA.

https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z302.jpg

This (above) is JBC--not yet in his wife's lap. But mouth open, appears to be in pain.

I am not sure what you are driving at.

Actually, in reviewing this again, it may be that JBC was struck even later than Z-295, but it is hard to tell. That is my best guess.

In any event, Happy New Year!

Caveat emptor, and draw your won conclusions.

    When looking at a high definition Z Film Copy, it strikes me how much distance, in the blinks of an eye, that Gov Connally had to cover in order to end up laying in his wife's lap. (1) The 2 Connally jump seats are on opposite sides of the Limo, and, (2) the jump seats are separated by that Hump that runs down the center of the car. What we believe we are seeing on the Z Film with respect to Nellie Connally manhandling her wounded husband into her lap, is like that story we sometimes hear about a petit mother lifting an automobile all by herself in order to free her trapped child beneath it. Yeah, MAYBE this could happen? But to date, I have only heard about feats such as this or read about these almost instantaneous/Herculian actions in a comic book or in the, "Ripley's Believe It Or Not" Sunday Funnies. When you seriously consider what you are seeing on the Z Film and then apply your own real life experiences, (instantaneous timing issues too), you realize that there are portions of the Zapruder Film that would make a good Double Feature alongside the Road Runner Cartoon Series. How on earth can JFK suffer that gaping blowout hole in the SIDE of his head, and then NOT have blood/brain matter blown all over the (R) side/interior of the Limo? And/Or the (N) side of Elm St? There are numerous portions of the Current Z Film that flat-out defy real life experience.     

[Charles Collins]

John B. Connally was a handsome, smooth-talking charismatic politician who got ahead by projecting oodles and gobs of self-confidence.

I suspect that he wasn't nearly as sure about what had happened during the 10.2 seconds it took Oswald to fire all three shots as he pretended to be.

I think he made a lot of stuff up based on his foggy recollections and those of his wife.

To use AI terminology, he "hallucinated."

Kinda like GROK on steroids.

You hit the nail on the head. People have tried to rely too heavily on JBC’s account. It is understandable for the fellow politicians to give JBC the benefit of the doubt because that’s what politicians often do for each other. Here’s some snippets from JBC’s book “In History’s Shadow” beginning on page 12:

”The first shot struck the President in the neck. His hands flew to his throat, a reflex. I turned, and felt the blow against my back. My body was aligned in such a way that the bullet passed through my chest, shattered my right wrist, and lodged in my thigh.”
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”I was still conscious when the third shot blew off part of John Kennedy’d head. It is no longer possible to say with certitude how much of the race to Parkland Memorial Hospital I remember, and how much I have been told by Nellie, or picked up from watching the news films or reading the official reports.”
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”The federal agents, who had been assigned to their own car (called “the Queen Mary”), jumped out and headed for the front entrance even as some in the crowd were still waving to the President.
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”Twice during the race to the hospital, Nellie admitted, she had thought I was dead. I was in and out of consciousness. I came to just when the car jolted to a stop at the emergency entrance to Parkland Memorial. How strangely the mind works. I knew I was badly wounded and I thought fatally so. I knew the President was dead. Yet it made sense to me that the hospital orderlies would want to get him out of the car before they could think of treating me.
The back door was beside the jump seat I was in, and I realized I might be blocking the way. Arms snaked across Nellie to reach the President. Subconsciously, I suppose, I struggled to raise myself from Nellie’s lap to give them room. I half stood, then collapsed and passed out again.”
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”They wheeled me into Trauma Room 2, and Dr. Duke probed the hole in my chest. Another doctor examined my wrist. They spotted more blood on my trousers, and someone fumbled with the belt and tried to wriggle them down my legs. I cried out sharply, “Cut them off!” When I spoke, peopled jumped back as if a coffin lid had moved. I hadn’t been given a sedative because it hadn’t occurred to them I would be conscious - if I was alive.
I don’t know which, but fear or stubbornness kept waking me. I heard someone say, “Let’s turn him over and see if he was hit somewhere else.” With that, I spoke up again. I said, “no, I was only hit once.”
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”I knew many, many years ago that I would never be able to give people what they wanted or needed about that day. I have felt rage and grief and helplessness, as tens of millions of Americans did. What else I can share I have shared with Nellie because the lasting, bitter emotion of that day is numbness. Many of my memories are secondhand. I am missing the most historic minutes of my life. There are blank spaces in an unbearable scene; perhaps I could not have borne the scene otherwise. … This was what I missed, what I would put together from the accounts of those who survived that day in Dallas. … I had no sense of what was happening around me, or in Trauma Room 1, but I knew all I needed to know. Later, little by little, Nellie and others filled in the parts that were missing.”
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”Everything I saw, heard, and felt is consistent with what was visible in the frame-by frame analysis of the film taken by Abraham Zapruder, a Dallas merchant who became an accidental historian:  The first shot passed through the neck of John F. Kennedy, I saw him clutch his throat. The second shot was the one that struck me; of this I have no doubt. Nellie had pulled me to her when the third bullet blew across the car a spray of the President’s brain.”


In the last snippet above I underlined an important distinction. JBC stated he had no doubt about only one aspect of that shooting sequence (the second shot struck him). JBC does not indicate that he has no doubt about the other aspects he outlined in that snippet. JBC has stated elsewhere that he could have been mistaken about the single bullet theory being wrong. If I find where I read that I will post it, I am still looking for it. With these things in mind, I think that the early missed shot is not disproved by JBC’s account.

[Royell Storing]

  You got it BACKWARD. An alleged "early missed shot" has to be PROVEN. This is why the SBT is a THEORY. Neither has been PROVEN.

[Tom Graves]

  You got it BACKWARD. An alleged "early missed shot" has to be PROVEN. This is why the SBT is a THEORY. Neither has been PROVEN.

Dear Sonderführer Storing,

Unless one believes that oodles and gobs of Deep State bad guys were involved in the planning, the "patsy-ing," the planting of evidence, the shooting, the GETTING AWAY, the altering of every single photo and film, and the all-important (and evidently ongoing!!!) cover up, an early missed shot and the SBT are the only logical explanations for what the witnesses heard, what the witnesses saw, what the photographers caught on film, what the police found on the 6th floor of the TSBD, the nature of the damage to the limousine, and the nature of the wounds that the doctors at Parkland and Bethesda dealt with.

D'oh

-- Tom