Proof Rosemary Willis had started looking towards the TSBD by Z-145

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Re: Proof Rosemary Willis had started looking towards the TSBD by Z-145
« Reply #88 on: December 29, 2025, 11:22:01 PM »
I think you meant that she stopped filming before the first shot.  To figure out where JFK is on Elm St. all you need to do is see where the sightline from the camera through JFK extends to and then plot that sightline on a map of Dealey Plaza:



   The above would be perfect if Towner was looking through a monocular. And then she was panning too.

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Re: Proof Rosemary Willis had started looking towards the TSBD by Z-145
« Reply #88 on: December 29, 2025, 11:22:01 PM »


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Re: Proof Rosemary Willis had started looking towards the TSBD by Z-145
« Reply #89 on: December 30, 2025, 04:34:49 AM »
   The above would be perfect if Towner was looking through a monocular. And then she was panning too.
I think her camera had only one lens. She wasn't filming through binoculars. What does panning have to do with the position of JFK in the last frame?

If Tina Towner was right that the first shot occurred even 3 or 4 seconds after she stopped filming then there was no early first shot miss.

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Re: Proof Rosemary Willis had started looking towards the TSBD by Z-145
« Reply #90 on: December 30, 2025, 06:42:53 AM »
I think her camera had only one lens. She wasn't filming through binoculars. What does panning have to do with the position of JFK in the last frame?

If Tina Towner was right that the first shot occurred even 3 or 4 seconds after she stopped filming then there was no early first shot miss.

   Towner panning would impact the Line-Of-Sight (LOS). You're visual aid shows her LOS being straight lined.
    I agree. Not only was there, "...no early first shot miss", there was no early first shot period.

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Re: Proof Rosemary Willis had started looking towards the TSBD by Z-145
« Reply #91 on: December 31, 2025, 04:28:18 AM »
   Towner panning would impact the Line-Of-Sight (LOS). You're visual aid shows her LOS being straight lined.
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A frame is exposed for 1/40th of a second. If, during that 1/40th of a second the camera keeps the moving limo in the same position by panning, the background will be blurred and the limo will be sharp.   But in Towner’s last frame, the moving vehicles are blurred and the background is sharp, which means there was minimal panning of the camera. 



In any event, the movement of the car during the 25 ms exposure is less than 6 inches.

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Re: Proof Rosemary Willis had started looking towards the TSBD by Z-145
« Reply #92 on: January 07, 2026, 01:37:19 PM »
How do we know that Rosemary Willis, in her conscious reaction to Oswald's first, missing everything shot at "Z-124," [SNIP]

This is the kind of abject silliness that WC apologists have to peddle to try to make their theory work.

A gunman firing at "Z-124" (aka pseudo Z124) would have been shooting at an incredibly awkward downward angle, a supremely stupid shot to attempt. What Tom Graves is not telling you is that those who peddle this silly theory claim that the bullet hit the traffic signal’s support pole or guy rod, and that this is how the shot missed the entire gigantic limousine (it was 21 feet long and 6.6 feet wide).

WC apologists must assume that their "first shot" missed the entire limo, so they have to come up with these bizarre theories to explain how a sixth-floor gunman could have missed such a massive target from such a short distance. At any point before Z166, the limo would have been no more than 150 feet, or just 50 yards, from the sixth-floor window. Posner speculates that the bullet hit a branch of the oak tree. Others, such as Tom Graves, have their alleged lone gunman firing even earlier and somehow, someway hitting the guy rod or the support pole of the traffic light, in order to explain how he missed the entire limo. 

It boggles the mind to think that any gunman in the sixth-floor window, even an inexperienced and subpar amateur such as Oswald, would have taken a shot when he would have had to fire at such an awkwardly sharp downward angle, and when the guy rod and support pole would have been close to his center of aim on the target.

How steep of a downward angle are we talking about for a shot fired at "Z124"? FBI firearms expert Robert Frazier told the WC that a shot fired at Z161, 37 frames after "Z124," would have required a downward angle of 40 degrees. Therefore, a shot fired at "Z124" would have required an even steeper downward angle—almost straight down. Ridiculous.

And then there is the problem of the trajectory of ricochet fragments from the traffic signal to the back of JFK’s head. In Z140, JFK is facing to his right while waving at the crowd. He is still facing to his right in Z142, and he is still doing so in Z160 (though not as much as in Z140). How could ricochet fragments from the traffic signal’s guy rod or support pole have struck JFK in the back of the head? They would have hit him on the right side of his head, possibly including the right side of his face, not on the back of his head.

Of course, never mind that atomic analysis of the paraffin cast of Oswald's right cheek shows he did not fire a rifle on 11/22/63. Never mind that considerable eyewitness testimony puts Oswald on the first and second floor of the building during the shooting. Never mind that VSA polygraph analysis of Oswald's statements to journalists while in police custody shows he was telling the truth when he said he didn't shoot anybody. Never mind that the only three Master-rated riflemen who did a rifle test with the actual alleged murder weapon utterly failed to duplicate Oswald's alleged shooting feat. And on and on we could go. Just never you mind.






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Re: Proof Rosemary Willis had started looking towards the TSBD by Z-145
« Reply #92 on: January 07, 2026, 01:37:19 PM »


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Re: Proof Rosemary Willis had started looking towards the TSBD by Z-145
« Reply #93 on: January 07, 2026, 01:49:12 PM »
A gunman firing at "Z-124" (aka pseudo Z124) would have been shooting at an incredibly awkward downward angle, a supremely stupid shot to attempt.

Dear Comrade Griffith,

The awkwardness of the shot plus the rapid angular velocity of the limo is why he missed as badly as he did.

-- Tom

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What Tom Graves is not telling you is that those who peddle this silly theory claim that the bullet hit the traffic signal’s support pole or guy rod, and that this is how the shot missed the entire gigantic limousine (it was 21 feet long and 6.6 feet wide).

Dear Comrade Griffith,

I never realized until now how ignorant, dishonest, or both you are.

Where have I said that Oswald's missing-everything shot at "Z-124" hit the traffic light's mast arm, guy rod (what guy rod?), or a pigeon sitting on top of it?

You're confusing Max Holland's hypothetical shot at "Z-107" with Roselle and Scearce's shot at "Z-124."

D'oh!

-- Tom

PS Did you know that a mark on the asphalt can be seen in one of the Secret Service photos taken from the Sniper's Nest window, and that it correlates with where the closest-to-JFK / missing-everything shot would have hit at "Z-124"?

And that a new mark can be seen on the limo's passenger's side in at least one photo that was taken of it at Parkland Hospital -- a mark that may have been caused by a swirling lump of asphalt kicked up by the bullet?

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