Proof Rosemary Willis had started looking towards the TSBD by Z-145

[Charles Collins]

   Why would I STOP watching the Towner film before the final frames? Towner claimed she heard the 1st shot After she stopped filming. It was at this point she was pulled down onto the ground. The final frames of the Towner Film Do NOT show the tall monument. These final frames do show the JFK Limo. This proves the position of the JFK Limo is NOT (E) of the sidewalk on those final frames. You continue posting the Tyler "animation". That is exactly what it is. "Animation". I prefer to rely on the real thing. The actual Towner Film. Based on that "animation", you have to place the JFK Limo well inside 3rd lane to remove the tall monument from the Towner Film. The placement of the JFK Limo in this lane defies every other image of the JFK Limo on Elm St.

As far as I am concerned, this conversation is about different points of view. JFK appears to have already passed by the monument from Tina Towner’s camera’s point of view. However, the overhead view shows that JFK has not yet reached the tall monument. The overhead view also shows that Tina’s camera’s field of view (yellow cone) has already panned past the tall monument; which explains why her point of view is different than the overhead point of view. This isn’t some mysterious phenomenon or rocket science. I think most folks can understand this concept.

[Royell Storing]

As far as I am concerned, this conversation is about different points of view. JFK appears to have already passed by the monument from Tina Towner’s camera’s point of view. However, the overhead view shows that JFK has not yet reached the tall monument. The overhead view also shows that Tina’s camera’s field of view (yellow cone) has already panned past the tall monument; which explains why her point of view is different than the overhead point of view. This isn’t some mysterious phenomenon or rocket science. I think most folks can understand this concept.

        "Overhead View"? What specific "Overhead View" are you claiming shows JFK has, "...not yet reached the tall monument"? Are you referring to the Mark Tyler ANIMATION?  If this is the case, you are choosing a cartoon illustrating the "opinion" of 1 person vs the actual filming of the JFK Limo by Tina Towner on 11/22/63. You do understand this, correct? 

[Charles Collins]

        "Overhead View"? What specific "Overhead View" are you claiming shows JFK has, "...not yet reached the tall monument"? Are you referring to the Mark Tyler ANIMATION?  If this is the case, you are choosing a cartoon illustrating the "opinion" of 1 person vs the actual filming of the JFK Limo by Tina Towner on 11/22/63. You do understand this, correct?

The animation is based on the photographic record. It’s confirmed by that record, including the Towner images as I have clearly demonstrated.

[Tommy Shanks]

The animation is based on the photographic record. It’s confirmed by that record, including the Towner images as I have clearly demonstrated.

Charles, you're wasting your time with Royell Storing, who believes the entire film and photo record of the assassination has been doctored, faked and altered. It's absurd.

[Royell Storing]

Charles, you're wasting your time with Royell Storing, who believes the entire film and photo record of the assassination has been doctored, faked and altered. It's absurd.

      I am firmly standing behind the The Towner, "...film and photo record of the assassination....". Time for you to put the Christmas, "Who Hit John", away.

[Royell Storing]

The animation is based on the photographic record. It’s confirmed by that record, including the Towner images as I have clearly demonstrated.

   Towner said she stopped filming after the 1st shot. Her Film shows the JFK Limo and the hood of the Queen Mary behind it, but No trace of the TALL Monument in the background. This means the JFK Limo was (W) of the sidewalk that runs down from the (E) Pergola Shelter at this point in time. Per the account of Tina Towner, the alleged "early" 1st shot never happened.

[Andrew Mason]

   Towner said she stopped filming after the 1st shot. Her Film shows the JFK Limo and the hood of the Queen Mary behind it, but No trace of the TALL Monument in the background. This means the JFK Limo was (W) of the sidewalk that runs down from the (E) Pergola Shelter at this point in time. Per the account of Tina Towner, the alleged "early" 1st shot never happened.

I think you meant that she stopped filming before the first shot.  To figure out where JFK is on Elm St. all you need to do is see where the sightline from the camera through JFK extends to and then plot that sightline on a map of Dealey Plaza:

[Royell Storing]

I was talking about both and got confused between this and the First Shot thread.  But the point is the same.  The idea that anyone would have forgotten about the first shot is absurd.  They may not have counted all the shots but the idea that they did not notice the shots is something that you are just speculating about to explain why not a single witness put the first shot anywhere near where you put it (half a second before Zapruder started filming).

Tina Towner put it later (4-6 seconds after she stopped filming according to her 1996 oral history at Sixth Floor Museum). Hugh Betzner put it later (after z186). Robert Croft put it later (after z161). Occupants of the VP car put it later (just completed the turn). Connally put it later (150-200 feet after the corner).  Mary Woodward put it later (after JFK's last right turn, wave after he passed by where she stood). Occupants of the VP Security car put it later (almost completed the turn). Greer put it later (when they were passing the west edge of the TSBD). Billy Clay, Jean Newman, Georgia Hendrix, Sue Dickerson, Peggy Hawkins, said the President had just passed them when the first shot occurred.  Karan Hicks said :The car he was in was almost directly in front of where I was standing when I heard the first explosion."   

How could all these witnesses independently recall a first shot 4-5 seconds later than you suggest and all be so wrong and yet not a single witness put it anywhere near where you suggest?

  Bump regarding the Towner 1st shot claim. The Towner " 4-6 seconds" after she Stopped Filming totally destroys a very early 1st shot. She clearly was still filming when the JFK Limo was (W) of the sidewalk/Tall Monument.