Proof Rosemary Willis had started looking towards the TSBD by Z-145

[Tom Graves]

The Tina Towner story along with her film disproves the very early 1st shot.

What's your definition of "very early"?

[Royell Storing]

That’s how it appears from Tina’s angle. A line of sight perpendicular to the travel on Elm Street at that point would show it before JFK gets to the sidewalk entrance.

   Compare the final frames of the Towner film that show the JFK Limo vs the Zapruder Film frame where the JFK Limo pops onto the film. You can also use the physical position of Willis to figure out the position of the JFK Limo on Elm St.
   That sidewalk is extremely close to the Tall Monument. And the tall monument is very close to the Island. Just look at the Darnell Film showing Baker's Motorcycle. Officer Baker quickly went from his motorcycle to running across the island. This tells you how close all of these landmarks are to each other. You put the JFK Limo on the (E) side of the sidewalk and it is not even close to completing the turn onto Elm.   

[Royell Storing]

What's your definition of "very early"?

   Putting the JFK Limo (E) of the sidewalk is getting close to the Island. That's "very early" for a 1st shot.

[Tom Graves]

Putting the JFK limo east of the sidewalk is getting close to the Island. That's "very early" for a 1st shot.

What do you mean by "east of the sidewalk" and "close to the island"?

[Charles Collins]

   Compare the final frames of the Towner film that show the JFK Limo vs the Zapruder Film frame where the JFK Limo pops onto the film. You can also use the physical position of Willis to figure out the position of the JFK Limo on Elm St.
   That sidewalk is extremely close to the Tall Monument. And the tall monument is very close to the Island. Just look at the Darnell Film showing Baker's Motorcycle. Officer Baker quickly went from his motorcycle to running across the island. This tells you how close all of these landmarks are to each other. You put the JFK Limo on the (E) side of the sidewalk and it is not even close to completing the turn onto Elm.   

Going from memory only, the Willis4 photo was taken at about Z137. Which is very close to the beginning of the Zapruder film segment (at Z133). The Willis4 photo was taken at an angle close to perpendicular to the line of travel of the limo. It shows the tall pillar monument, and that JFK has not reached that monument yet. Tina Towner’s film ends close to 1-second before the Willis4 photo was taken. Yet the angle of Tina Towner to the limo makes it look like JFK had already passed the tall monument. Plot the various positions of the limo and photographers on an overhead map view of Dealey Plaza. Don Roberdeau’s map will suffice for this. The geometry of the angles and resulting backgrounds beyond the limo should become apparent. The understanding of this effect is critical if you want to try to understand what the photographic record actually shows. If you want to contend that there is an unexplained problem with the photographic record, then please take this effect into consideration.

[Royell Storing]

Going from memory only, the Willis4 photo was taken at about Z137. Which is very close to the beginning of the Zapruder film segment (at Z133). The Willis4 photo was taken at an angle close to perpendicular to the line of travel of the limo. It shows the tall pillar monument, and that JFK has not reached that monument yet. Tina Towner’s film ends close to 1-second before the Willis4 photo was taken. Yet the angle of Tina Towner to the limo makes it look like JFK had already passed the tall monument. Plot the various positions of the limo and photographers on an overhead map view of Dealey Plaza. Don Roberdeau’s map will suffice for this. The geometry of the angles and resulting backgrounds beyond the limo should become apparent. The understanding of this effect is critical if you want to try to understand what the photographic record actually shows. If you want to contend that there is an unexplained problem with the photographic record, then please take this effect into consideration. Towner claims to have been pulled to the ground after she Stopped filming. Her film shows she Stopped filming and by her account was pulled down onto the ground, WELL AFTER this alleged early shot was fired.   

   I am not sure what Towner Film you are looking at. Please use the You Tube posting done by "The JFK Theorist". He provides the Sixth Floor Museum copy of the Towner Film. Very clear and between the sprocket holes. On THAT copy of the Towner Film, you can see the 5th column of the pergola (from R-L). The Tall Monument is completely out of the film at this point. Again, you put the JFK Limo on the (E) side of the sidewalk and you are very close to the Island that Officer Baker ran across as he headed for the TSBD. You are very close to the Elm St Ext.  You are forgetting how SMALL Dealey Plaza physically is, along with the extended length of the JFK Limo.   

[Charles Collins]

   I am not sure what Towner Film you are looking at. Please use the You Tube posting done by "The JFK Theorist". He provides the Sixth Floor Museum copy of the Towner Film. Very clear and between the sprocket holes. On THAT copy of the Towner Film, you can see the 5th column of the pergola (from R-L). The Tall Monument is completely out of the film at this point. Again, you put the JFK Limo on the (E) side of the sidewalk and you are very close to the Island that Officer Baker ran across as he headed for the TSBD. You are very close to the Elm St Ext.  You are forgetting how SMALL Dealey Plaza physically is, along with the extended length of the JFK Limo.

Here’s the overhead map view that shows both Tina Towner’s line of sight and Willis’ line of sight. It’s all spelled out for you now.