Proof Rosemary Willis had started looking towards the TSBD by Z-145

[Charles Collins]

How did the idea of a "folding chair" come into this thread?

Did Tina Towner mention it at some point during the past sixty-two years?

It’s entirely irrelevant. But Royell brought it up as an excuse to discount the timing of the Dorman frame. I think that I remember Tina mentioning the folding stool in her book. But it was just something that she noticed when viewing the Dorman film.

[Tom Graves]

It’s entirely irrelevant. But Royell brought it up as an excuse to discount the timing of the frame

Did he create the idea of a folding chair out of thin air?

[Charles Collins]

Did he create the idea of a folding chair out of thin air?

No, it can clearly be seen in the Dorman film. It’s just the shadow that obscures it in the relevant frame. Royell’s objections don’t always make sense to me either.

[Tom Graves]

No, it can clearly be seen in the Dorman film. It’s just the shadow that obscures it in the relevant frame. Royell’s objections don’t always make sense to me either.

Okay, now I understand.

Thanks.

[Charles Collins]

      Towner said she was pulled to the ground after Shot #1 was fired. Her film shows the JFK Limo having passed the sidewalk that runs down from the (E) Pergola Shelter. If her story is true, it rules out Shot #1 being fired extremely early. Her story/film also disproves the 11+ seconds elapsed firing time for the 3 shots from the sniper's nest.     

That’s how it appears from Tina’s angle. A line of sight perpendicular to the travel on Elm Street at that point would show it before JFK gets to the sidewalk entrance.

[Royell Storing]

  The Tina Towner story along with her film disproves the very early 1st shot.

[Tom Graves]

The Tina Towner story along with her film disproves the very early 1st shot.

What's your definition of "very early"?

[Royell Storing]

That’s how it appears from Tina’s angle. A line of sight perpendicular to the travel on Elm Street at that point would show it before JFK gets to the sidewalk entrance.

   Compare the final frames of the Towner film that show the JFK Limo vs the Zapruder Film frame where the JFK Limo pops onto the film. You can also use the physical position of Willis to figure out the position of the JFK Limo on Elm St.
   That sidewalk is extremely close to the Tall Monument. And the tall monument is very close to the Island. Just look at the Darnell Film showing Baker's Motorcycle. Officer Baker quickly went from his motorcycle to running across the island. This tells you how close all of these landmarks are to each other. You put the JFK Limo on the (E) side of the sidewalk and it is not even close to completing the turn onto Elm.