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« Reply #16 on: Yesterday at 09:27:08 AM »
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OK, see Z-278.

You will see the left profile of JBC's face. He is looking backwards towards the rear of the limo.

JBC's face has done a 180-degree turn, and his body about 120-degrees.

Jackie is looking at JFK, who has his hands or fists at his throat. I suspect JFK has been shot from behind.

In the SBT, JBC is doing these large movements after being shot through the chest, having his right wrist shot through fractured, and having slug burrow into left thigh. Such a nice guy, not concerned for himself and checking on El Presidente instead.

That dog don't hunt, IMHO. Or maybe not anyway. JBC is not shot at Z-278. That's what my dog says. I like my dog.



Caveat emptor, and draw your own conclusions.
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« Reply #17 on: Yesterday at 10:05:12 AM »
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I'm confused as to what you think regarding the timings of JBC's movements:

1) When, exactly, did he consciously react head-turn-wise and / or upper-body-turn-wise to the sounds of the first, missing-everything, shot?

(I say he started doing that at Z-150 -- as we can see in the Zapruder film -- and that he had finished said head turn to his left by Z-161 -- as we can see in the Croft photo.)

2) When, exactly, did he turn his head and upper torso far to his right in a futile attempt to see if JFK was okay after hearing said shot?

(I say he started doing that at Z-165 and was in the process of turning back to his left -- so he could try to catch a glimpse of JFK over his left shoulder -- when he was hit by CE-399 at Z-222 / Z-224.)
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« Reply #18 on: Yesterday at 11:15:58 AM »
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My dog tells me JFK was shot ~Z-200, just before or as he goes "behind" the Stemmons Freeway sign.

In Z-204 it looks like Jackie has turned her head towards JFK, and he is beginning to move hands to throat.

Then JBC is shot at ~Z-295 and JFK at Z-313.

Those earlier movements you refer to...just seem like wiggles and whatnot.

That's my story and I am sticking with it, and my dog.

Likely, it was LHO shooting at JFK, or at least in his direction.

But so was someone else.

You are a pillar of fortitude and righteousness, but my dod says what my dog says.




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« Reply #19 on: Yesterday at 11:21:13 AM »
TG-

My dog tells me JFK was shot ~Z-200, just before or as he goes "behind" the Stemmons Freeway sign.

In Z-204 it looks like Jackie has turned her head towards JFK, and he is beginning to move hands to throat.

Then JBC is shot at ~Z-295 and JFK at Z-313.

Those earlier movements you refer to...just seem like wiggles and whatnot.

That's my story and I am sticking with it, and my dog.

Likely, it was LHO shooting at JFK, or at least in his direction.

But so was someone else.

You are a pillar of fortitude and righteousness, but my dod says what my dog says.

How cute.

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« Reply #20 on: Yesterday at 11:37:18 AM »
TG-

My dog tells me JFK was shot ~Z-200, just before or as he goes "behind" the Stemmons Freeway sign.

In Z-204 it looks like Jackie has turned her head towards JFK, and he is beginning to move hands to throat.

Then JBC is shot at ~Z-295 and JFK at Z-313.

Those earlier movements you refer to...just seem like wiggles and whatnot.

That's my story and I am sticking with it, and my dog.

Likely, it was LHO shooting at JFK, or at least in his direction.

But so was someone else.


This is what Connally told the Warren Commission:

"I heard this noise which I immediately took to be a rifle shot. I instinctively turned to my right because the sound appeared to come from over my right shoulder, so I turned to look back over my right shoulder, and I saw nothing unusual except just people in the crowd, but I did not catch the President in the corner of my eye...."

Questions:

In which Zapruder frame did Connally, in response to the sounds of the first shot, start turning to his right to look back over his right shoulder?

When he did so, why couldn't he catch JFK in the corner of his eye?

 
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« Reply #21 on: Yesterday at 12:12:45 PM »
RG-

Our admirable pillar of indefatigable intellectual supremacy, righteousness and honor:

Looks like JBC starts to look to his right ~Z-240.

JBC has trouble looking at JFK, as JFK has slumped to his (JFK's) left and toward Jackie. JBC has craned or turned his neck as much as it can go.

This is also happening in seconds, of course.

But I will concede this: JFKA researchers are chasing more leads than a blind dog in a meat-house.

I am talked out on this topic, and have been for years. The floor is yours.









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« Reply #22 on: Yesterday at 12:40:56 PM »
It looks as though JBC starts to look to his right [in response to the sounds of the first shot] around Z-240.

If you can buck up enough courage, please compare Z-200 with Z-260.

Which of those two frames more accurately shows JBC looking over his right shoulder?

Here they are for you:

https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z200.jpg

https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z260.jpg
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« Reply #23 on: Yesterday at 01:38:58 PM »
JBC has trouble looking at JFK [in Z-240], as JFK has slumped to his (JFK's) left and toward Jackie. JBC has craned or turned his neck as much as it can go [in Z-260].

Your claim that the reason JBC can't see JFK in Z-260 is because JFK has slumped to his left, and JBC simply can't crane or turn his head far enough is disingenuous to say the least.

How do you know JBC can't crane or turn his head any farther, and regardless, what makes you think he's not looking right at JFK in Z-260, but can't "see" him?

Factoid: Connally, too, by Z-260 had already been shot (by CE-399 @ Z-222/Z-224), and the shock to his system was obviously so intense that he either couldn't "see" JFK, or, if he could see him, couldn't remember later having done so.

https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z260.jpg
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