What's your favorite reason for believing Oswald didn't do it?

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Online Tom Graves

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Re: What's your favorite reason for believing Oswald didn't do it?
« Reply #14 on: November 17, 2025, 07:31:50 AM »
I do not believe JBC did a 180-degree turn in his seat, to check on JFK after being shot through the chest.

News flash: Neither do I.

In reality, the "I Gotta See If JFK's Okay" turn JBC was referring to started at Z-165 when he turned his head and upper torso far) to his right (after having made a rapid and conscious head turn to his left between Z-150 and 161) in a futile attempt to catch a glimpse of JFK over his right shoulder.

I've already pointed that out to you a couple of times.

Or do you think his starting to turn far to his right at Z-165 was just to check out the hot chicks JFK may have been waving to?

PS

"Towering"?

Not really.

Having shrunk two inches over the past four decades, I'm only 6' 3", now.
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Re: What's your favorite reason for believing Oswald didn't do it?
« Reply #15 on: November 17, 2025, 07:43:13 AM »

Connally: "I was knocked over, just doubled over by the force of the bullet. [...] The force of the bullet drove my body over almost double." (1 HSCA 42)

When does this happen in the Z-film?


It didn't. He fantasized it.

Or Nellie fantasized it and convinced gullible John.

His misremembering it like that is just one of the many JFKA anomalies the KGB* has "made hay" from over the past sixty-six years.

*Today's SVR and FSB


Bonus post:

I've edited my previous post.

You wrote:

"I do not believe JBC did a 180-degree turn in his seat, to check on JFK after being shot through the chest."

My edited reply:

Neither do I.

In reality, the "I Gotta See If JFK's Okay" turn JBC was referring to started at Z-165 when he turned his head and upper torso far to his right (after having made a rapid and conscious head turn to his left between Z-150 and 161) in a futile attempt to catch a glimpse of JFK over his right shoulder.

I've already pointed that out to you a couple of times.

Or, do you think his starting to turn so far to his right at Z-165 was just to check out the hot chicks JFK may have been waving to?

PS

Me, "towering"?

Not really.

Having shrunk two inches over the past four decades, I'm only 6' 3", now.


Addendum:


Rhetorical questions regarding Z-frame 187:

1) Why is JBC's head turned so far to his right?

Answer: To see if JFK is okay after hearing Oswald's first, missing-everything, shot at "Z-124".

2) Why is the guy (Kenny O'Donnell) riding in the passenger's-side jump seat in the Secret Service follow-up car tilting his head so far to his right?

Answer: To see if JFK is okay after hearing Oswald's first, missing-everything, shot at "Z-124".

3) Why is Rosemary Willis looking back towards the TSBD instead of JFK and Jackie in the limo?

Answer: Because she heard Oswald's first, missing-everything, shot at "Z-124" when it came from that direction.

https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z187.jpg

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Re: What's your favorite reason for believing Oswald didn't do it?
« Reply #16 on: November 17, 2025, 09:27:08 AM »
https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z278.jpg

OK, see Z-278.

You will see the left profile of JBC's face. He is looking backwards towards the rear of the limo.

JBC's face has done a 180-degree turn, and his body about 120-degrees.

Jackie is looking at JFK, who has his hands or fists at his throat. I suspect JFK has been shot from behind.

In the SBT, JBC is doing these large movements after being shot through the chest, having his right wrist shot through fractured, and having slug burrow into left thigh. Such a nice guy, not concerned for himself and checking on El Presidente instead.

That dog don't hunt, IMHO. Or maybe not anyway. JBC is not shot at Z-278. That's what my dog says. I like my dog.



Caveat emptor, and draw your own conclusions.
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Re: What's your favorite reason for believing Oswald didn't do it?
« Reply #17 on: November 17, 2025, 10:05:12 AM »
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I'm confused as to what you think regarding the timings of JBC's movements:

1) When, exactly, did he consciously react head-turn-wise and / or upper-body-turn-wise to the sounds of the first, missing-everything, shot?

(I say he started doing that at Z-150 -- as we can see in the Zapruder film -- and that he had finished said head turn to his left by Z-161 -- as we can see in the Croft photo.)

2) When, exactly, did he turn his head and upper torso far to his right in a futile attempt to see if JFK was okay after hearing said shot?

(I say he started doing that at Z-165 and was in the process of turning back to his left -- so he could try to catch a glimpse of JFK over his left shoulder -- when he was hit by CE-399 at Z-222 / Z-224.)
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Re: What's your favorite reason for believing Oswald didn't do it?
« Reply #18 on: November 17, 2025, 11:15:58 AM »
TG-

My dog tells me JFK was shot ~Z-200, just before or as he goes "behind" the Stemmons Freeway sign.

In Z-204 it looks like Jackie has turned her head towards JFK, and he is beginning to move hands to throat.

Then JBC is shot at ~Z-295 and JFK at Z-313.

Those earlier movements you refer to...just seem like wiggles and whatnot.

That's my story and I am sticking with it, and my dog.

Likely, it was LHO shooting at JFK, or at least in his direction.

But so was someone else.

You are a pillar of fortitude and righteousness, but my dod says what my dog says.




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Re: What's your favorite reason for believing Oswald didn't do it?
« Reply #19 on: November 17, 2025, 11:21:13 AM »
TG-

My dog tells me JFK was shot ~Z-200, just before or as he goes "behind" the Stemmons Freeway sign.

In Z-204 it looks like Jackie has turned her head towards JFK, and he is beginning to move hands to throat.

Then JBC is shot at ~Z-295 and JFK at Z-313.

Those earlier movements you refer to...just seem like wiggles and whatnot.

That's my story and I am sticking with it, and my dog.

Likely, it was LHO shooting at JFK, or at least in his direction.

But so was someone else.

You are a pillar of fortitude and righteousness, but my dod says what my dog says.

How cute.

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Re: What's your favorite reason for believing Oswald didn't do it?
« Reply #20 on: November 17, 2025, 11:37:18 AM »
TG-

My dog tells me JFK was shot ~Z-200, just before or as he goes "behind" the Stemmons Freeway sign.

In Z-204 it looks like Jackie has turned her head towards JFK, and he is beginning to move hands to throat.

Then JBC is shot at ~Z-295 and JFK at Z-313.

Those earlier movements you refer to...just seem like wiggles and whatnot.

That's my story and I am sticking with it, and my dog.

Likely, it was LHO shooting at JFK, or at least in his direction.

But so was someone else.


This is what Connally told the Warren Commission:

"I heard this noise which I immediately took to be a rifle shot. I instinctively turned to my right because the sound appeared to come from over my right shoulder, so I turned to look back over my right shoulder, and I saw nothing unusual except just people in the crowd, but I did not catch the President in the corner of my eye...."

Questions:

In which Zapruder frame did Connally, in response to the sounds of the first shot, start turning to his right to look back over his right shoulder?

When he did so, why couldn't he catch JFK in the corner of his eye?

 
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