How Did Bart Kamp Create The Lovelady Image?

[Royell Storing]

   Not that I know of...I have been telling Kamp for 10 years that he is misrepresenting the context of Hosty's notes that he is showing...Kamp dishonestly insists that the notes show that Oswald was out on the front steps during the assassination as Prayer Man and he is presenting this as conclusive proof...If you observe Fritz and Bookhout's notes Fritz's inclusion of "When Officer Came In" calibrates the notes to 90 seconds after the shots when Baker confronted Oswald in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room...Once a dubious researcher like Kamp makes such a complex false claim it is difficult to undo it because it takes so much correction...However it is easy to see that all 3 sets of notes from the 3pm Interrogation all start at 90 seconds after the shots at the Lunch Room Encounter...All 3 go downstairs to eat lunch, and all 3 then go out with Shelley on the front steps...Therefore the part of Hosty's notes quoted by Kamp occurs 4 minutes after the shots and cannot be used as evidence for Oswald being Prayer Man...Kamp is quite aware of this but he dishonestly ignores it and in doing so has tied up the entire research community in a BS theory fully endorsed by the fool Jim DiEugenio...When Hosty writes "Went out to watch Presidential Parade" he is talking about 4 minutes after the shots...Kamp is clearly committing a false reference there and refuses to listen to the correct interpretation...He has a whole internet of supporters who help him with this deliberate deception...

The true interpretation is seen in Fritz's testimony to the Commission where he told Ball that Oswald told them he was eating a cheese sandwich and apple in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room during the assassination...Obviously, Oswald told this to the 3pm Interrogation and this is why the notes were torn up and the lie was formulated that they took no notes Texas style...Oswald told the 3pm Interrogation that he was eating lunch in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room during the assassination and that caused a major problem that was solved by the present notes that conspicuously omit this admission like an obvious glaring donut hole exactly in the right place in the existing notes...Fritz, Bookhout, and Hosty solved this problem by starting their notes 90 seconds after the shots at the Lunch Room Encounter and therefore omitting Oswald being in the in the Lunch Room during the assassination right before it...When you look at the existing notes you can't unsee this...Fritz, Bookhout, and Hosty all clumsily excised this admission from their notes and it stands out like a sore thumb...It is this correct explanation that Kamp refuses to allow and in doing so, and sticking to his bogus Prayer Man theory, both he and DiEugenio, and the sycophants who support them, are holding up a final solving of the conspiracy...

All 3 sets of notes wrote about being with Shelley out front in vague terms because Oswald was covering up the fact Shelley helped him around the cop at the front door who told Oswald to step aside and stay put...Shelley saw Oswald was in trouble and helped him around the police detainment at the front door and out the back...So the 3pm Interrogation notes had two major problems they needed to bury and what you see is how they did it...They simply removed Oswald telling them he was eating lunch in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room during the shots...And they blurred Shelley helping Oswald out the rear exit after a cop told him to step aside at the front door...Kamp helps muddy all this and serves to inhibit the solving of the case because he can't break off his juvenile attachment to this Prayer Man BS...

   Why were the alleged "Hosty Notes" NOT verified? This should have been Step 1 after the Notes were allegedly discovered by Kamp. Once again, the JFK Assassination Research Community has fallen on its' Bahookie.

[Brian Doyle]

You can go to Bart Kamp's Prayer Man website and read his Hosty Notes section and see the notes passed muster with Pat Speer and Malcolm Blunt...The notes were posted in Hosty's book 'Assignment Oswald' and compare to other examples of Hosty's handwriting...I don't think anyone has ever challenged the authenticity of the notes being Hosty's...

This fraud has been assisted by individuals like Rob Clark, Robbie Robertson, Eli Frame, Tim Gardner, and Len Osanic...The aforementioned are persons, who although they have a modicum of assassination knowledge, all host Kamp in a fan-like manner and never question his offerings...They always host Kamp in an unquestioning way where there is no adversarial opposition to keep Kamp honest...They are persons who have the skill to put together a podcast but then host Kamp is a sycophantic manner where his claims are supported without any critical cross examination...I have been mocked and ridiculed by all the previously mentioned podcast hosts (Osanic put me on mute) because I refuted Kamp's Prayer Man theory...The reason for this is those podcast hosts rely on gang-like grouping up and favoritism in order to compensate for their lack of research skill that led to them backing the hoax researcher Kamp and his bogus Prayer Man theory...They operate like a pack of school yard bullies who use Kamp as a leg up in the research world...They don't care if the evidence shows Prayer Man is Sarah Stanton...Again, the clique serves to prevent good research more than encourage it no matter how much they flatter themselves on censorship protected sites...

Pat Speer used the fact I can't defend myself to mock my not being allowed back on The Education Forum...He humiliated me and made me look like an idiot who didn't pass muster who was justly denied...A "sorry Charlie" kind of thing that he took pleasure in doing while defending the clique...He then lied and said I stole my Prayer Man stuff from him and falsely used it as reasoning why I wasn't fit for membership on The Education Forum...The Prayer Man people are fully aware my Prayer Man material is quite my own and many orders of magnitude better than Speer's weak offerings...In fact my material is subject-leading and quite conclusive...The Prayer Man clique is dirty and won't correct Speer on his slanderous false accusation...These are the site's preferred members and methods...

When I Private Messaged Ciphered Past to request fair air time to defend myself I was threatened with legal action for harassment and stalking...And this was for a simple fair playing field reply request on my first contact on a public podcast that always includes the invitation for the public to contact them and add information they think would be helpful on each episode...They request correcting information that would help the show and then when you reach out to them, after being unfairly slandered and ridiculed on the air, their first response is to threaten you with legal action...Bush league hacks and clique boys running a bully club...

[Royell Storing]

You can go to Bart Kamp's Prayer Man website and read his Hosty Notes section and see the notes passed muster with Pat Speer and Malcolm Blunt...The notes were posted in Hosty's book 'Assignment Oswald' and compare to other examples of Hosty's handwriting...I don't think anyone has ever challenged the authenticity of the notes being Hosty's...

This fraud has been assisted by individuals like Rob Clark, Robbie Robertson, Eli Frame, Tim Gardner, and Len Osanic...The aforementioned are persons, who although they have a modicum of assassination knowledge, all host Kamp in a fan-like manner and never question his offerings...They always host Kamp in an unquestioning way where there is no adversarial opposition to keep Kamp honest...They are persons who have the skill to put together a podcast but then host Kamp is a sycophantic manner where his claims are supported without any critical cross examination...I have been mocked and ridiculed by all the previously mentioned podcast hosts (Osanic put me on mute) because I refuted Kamp's Prayer Man theory...The reason for this is those podcast hosts rely on gang-like grouping up and favoritism in order to compensate for their lack of research skill that led to them backing the hoax researcher Kamp and his bogus Prayer Man theory...They operate like a pack of school yard bullies who use Kamp as a leg up in the research world...They don't care if the evidence shows Prayer Man is Sarah Stanton...Again, the clique serves to prevent good research more than encourage it no matter how much they flatter themselves on censorship protected sites...

Pat Speer used the fact I can't defend myself to mock my not being allowed back on The Education Forum...He humiliated me and made me look like an idiot who didn't pass muster who was justly denied...A "sorry Charlie" kind of thing that he took pleasure in doing while defending the clique...He then lied and said I stole my Prayer Man stuff from him and falsely used it as reasoning why I wasn't fit for membership on The Education Forum...The Prayer Man people are fully aware my Prayer Man material is quite my own and many orders of magnitude better than Speer's weak offerings...In fact my material is subject-leading and quite conclusive...The Prayer Man clique is dirty and won't correct Speer on his slanderous false accusation...These are the site's preferred members and methods...

When I Private Messaged Ciphered Past to request fair air time to defend myself I was threatened with legal action for harassment and stalking...And this was for a simple fair playing field reply request on my first contact on a public podcast that always includes the invitation for the public to contact them and add information they think would be helpful on each episode...They request correcting information that would help the show and then when you reach out to them, after being unfairly slandered and ridiculed on the air, their first response is to threaten you with legal action...Bush league hacks and clique boys running a bully club...

    So because, "nobody has ever challenged the authenticity of the Note's being Hosty's.." they are automatically deemed as being Hosty's?  That's absolutely laughable.

[Dan O'meara]

There's no credible reason to doubt that the two men seen fast-walking up the extension in the Gerda Dunkel zoomed slow-motion Couch/Darnell clip are Lovelady & Shelley...The men are right where they were supposed to be according to testimony...Lovelady has the same dimension geometric plaid pattern as he is seen wearing in other photos and same bald spot...And Shelley has his body shape, black suit jacket, white shirt collar, and Duck's Bahookie hair doo.....And he pulls up and talks to Karan Hicks as she goes by...Anything less strikes me as deliberate misinformation designed to confuse...

This is evidence enough for persons truly seeking correct identification...

I believe the obtaining and enhancement of the 6th Floor Museum 1st generation copy of Darnell will show Molina as the man being called Lovelady on the steps...

Honestly Brian, you are such a massive disappointment.
I was hailed as the "new Brian Doyle" for my belief that Prayer Man was Sarah Stanton. I took it as a badge of honour and that you were some renegade researcher fighting against mass hysteria.
But it turns out you're just a dick.
You have exactly the same mentality as the worst Nutters - Corbett, "Smith" and Payette. It's something I should start a thread about - people who believe that just because they think a thing means its a fact.

I would like you to stop posting on this thread as it is a genuine attempt to get to the bottom of a specific issue and you have nothing to offer other than your own, unsupported opinion.
It's funny that you think you are hounded because you are on the right trail...that's not it...it's because you are a know-nothing blowhard who believes his opinion trumps any facts.
If you have the balls for a genuine debate that involves citing sources and actually providing evidence for your claims then let's go.

"There's no credible reason to doubt that the two men seen fast-walking up the extension in the Gerda Dunkel zoomed slow-motion Couch/Darnell clip are Lovelady & Shelley"

ALL EVIDENCE relating to this issue disputes this identification of Shelley and Lovelady.
There is ZERO EVIDENCE supporting this claim.
NONE.
There is nothing in Dunkel's Couch/Darnell clip that suggests the intricate shirt detail and bald patch of Lovelady - this is a lie

"The men are right where they were supposed to be according to testimony"

Another ridiculous lie.
You say "according to testimony", Royell points out that they testified that they didn't move from the steps for at least 3 minutes and you start waffling about how they were made to lie. If they were made to lie how can it be "according to testimony"? Are you aware of the sh!t you post?

Lovelady has the same dimension geometric plaid pattern as he is seen wearing in other photos and same bald spot.

What "other photos"?
Provide these photos.
Cite these photos.
Post these photos.
Somehow support the nonsense you are posting.

.And he pulls up and talks to Karan Hicks as she goes by

I literally can't believe you keep posting this lie over and over again.

[Royell Storing]

You can go to Bart Kamp's Prayer Man website and read his Hosty Notes section and see the notes passed muster with Pat Speer and Malcolm Blunt...The notes were posted in Hosty's book 'Assignment Oswald' and compare to other examples of Hosty's handwriting...I don't think anyone has ever challenged the authenticity of the notes being Hosty's...

This fraud has been assisted by individuals like Rob Clark, Robbie Robertson, Eli Frame, Tim Gardner, and Len Osanic...The aforementioned are persons, who although they have a modicum of assassination knowledge, all host Kamp in a fan-like manner and never question his offerings...They always host Kamp in an unquestioning way where there is no adversarial opposition to keep Kamp honest...They are persons who have the skill to put together a podcast but then host Kamp is a sycophantic manner where his claims are supported without any critical cross examination...I have been mocked and ridiculed by all the previously mentioned podcast hosts (Osanic put me on mute) because I refuted Kamp's Prayer Man theory...The reason for this is those podcast hosts rely on gang-like grouping up and favoritism in order to compensate for their lack of research skill that led to them backing the hoax researcher Kamp and his bogus Prayer Man theory...They operate like a pack of school yard bullies who use Kamp as a leg up in the research world...They don't care if the evidence shows Prayer Man is Sarah Stanton...Again, the clique serves to prevent good research more than encourage it no matter how much they flatter themselves on censorship protected sites...

Pat Speer used the fact I can't defend myself to mock my not being allowed back on The Education Forum...He humiliated me and made me look like an idiot who didn't pass muster who was justly denied...A "sorry Charlie" kind of thing that he took pleasure in doing while defending the clique...He then lied and said I stole my Prayer Man stuff from him and falsely used it as reasoning why I wasn't fit for membership on The Education Forum...The Prayer Man people are fully aware my Prayer Man material is quite my own and many orders of magnitude better than Speer's weak offerings...In fact my material is subject-leading and quite conclusive...The Prayer Man clique is dirty and won't correct Speer on his slanderous false accusation...These are the site's preferred members and methods...

When I Private Messaged Ciphered Past to request fair air time to defend myself I was threatened with legal action for harassment and stalking...And this was for a simple fair playing field reply request on my first contact on a public podcast that always includes the invitation for the public to contact them and add information they think would be helpful on each episode...They request correcting information that would help the show and then when you reach out to them, after being unfairly slandered and ridiculed on the air, their first response is to threaten you with legal action...Bush league hacks and clique boys running a bully club...

         You need a "Kamp Intervention". The above proves this is imperative.

[Brian Doyle]

Dan:

It is understood amongst credible researchers that Lovelady & Shelley were gotten to lie and push back their departure time from the front steps to 3 minutes after the shots in order to make Victoria Adams look silly and to destroy her witnessing of Oswald not being on the Northwest steps when the official story needed him to be...There's some basic rules of evidence you are violating here...We can see Lovelady & Shelley fast-walking up the extension in Couch/Darnell so therefore visual film evidence trumps testimony and shows that Lovelady & Shelley left the steps around 20 seconds after the shots when they were inspired by Calvery to go up to the Knoll and see for themselves...You are violating the rules of evidence as well as rational thought because we can see Lovelady & Shelley going up the extension in Couch/Darnell and it tells us what the true version is...

The version Bart Kamp used was the Sprague copy...Obviously Sprague used the best enhancement technology of his day which was probably limited to brightness and zoom...One thing is clear though, Sprague used the original celluloid films as his source, as is evidenced by the fact Kamp was able to get the best detail in his enhancements...That best source that Kamp accessed was able to produce the visible details seen on Lovelady & Shelley as well as Lovelady's bald spot...Lovelady's plaid pattern is a geometric match and matches his plaid shirt pattern precisely...That is a dead-lock that makes the sincerity of what you offer suspect...No serious researcher would doubt the men being Lovelady & Shelley at that point...

This was all in the hands of Larry Schnapf who could have gotten the 1st generation 6th Floor Museum copy of Darnell simply by asking...Schnapf went on the Education Forum and explained why he wasn't going to request the 6th Floor Museum 1st generation copy...The words Schnapf spoke to describe his reasoning were words that came directly from the Prayer Man gang and their shameless suborning of perjury before Congress...Because the Task Force was not able to obtain the original Wiegman and Darnell films the 6th Floor Museum copy then became the best available copy of Darnell...This was proven by the fact you can see Sarah Stanton's dress neckline on Prayer Man in that copy...So no credible researcher would ever make a case for not obtaining the best copy...Obtaining the best copy is an unspoken thing amongst credible researchers...It is only the Prayer Man-hijacked JFK internet that would make a case for NOT obtaining that copy...And the way they achieve that is by banning, ostracize-ing, and censoring those researchers who question it...The Education Forum is a fraudulent website, as are its administrators...The effort to NOT obtain the 6th Floor Museum copy is a disingenuous one whose sole purpose is to avoid producing evidence that Jim DiEugenio is a fool who promotes already-disproven theories before Congress...Iler is a greasy fixer who makes grandiose rules designed to bail out his partner DiEugenio and avoid the correct evidence...It is this copy that will better show Lovelady, Shelley, and Molina...

The mark is already set and we await the obtaining and scanning of the 6th Floor Museum copy of Darnell...

[Royell Storing]

Dan:

It is understood amongst credible researchers that Lovelady & Shelley were gotten to lie and push back their departure time from the front steps to 3 minutes after the shots in order to make Victoria Adams look silly and to destroy her witnessing of Oswald not being on the Northwest steps when the official story needed him to be...There's some basic rules of evidence you are violating here...We can see Lovelady & Shelley fast-walking up the extension in Couch/Darnell so therefore visual film evidence trumps testimony and shows that Lovelady & Shelley left the steps around 20 seconds after the shots when they were inspired by Calvery to go up to the Knoll and see for themselves...You are violating the rules of evidence as well as rational thought because we can see Lovelady & Shelley going up the extension in Couch/Darnell and it tells us what the true version is...

The version Bart Kamp used was the Sprague copy...Obviously Sprague used the best enhancement technology of his day which was probably limited to brightness and zoom...One thing is clear though, Sprague used the original celluloid films as his source, as is evidenced by the fact Kamp was able to get the best detail in his enhancements...That best source that Kamp accessed was able to produce the visible details seen on Lovelady & Shelley as well as Lovelady's bald spot...Lovelady's plaid pattern is a geometric match and matches his plaid shirt pattern precisely...That is a dead-lock that makes the sincerity of what you offer suspect...No serious researcher would doubt the men being Lovelady & Shelley at that point...

This was all in the hands of Larry Schnapf who could have gotten the 1st generation 6th Floor Museum copy of Darnell simply by asking...Schnapf went on the Education Forum and explained why he wasn't going to request the 6th Floor Museum 1st generation copy...The words Schnapf spoke to describe his reasoning were words that came directly from the Prayer Man gang and their shameless suborning of perjury before Congress...Because the Task Force was not able to obtain the original Wiegman and Darnell films the 6th Floor Museum copy then became the best available copy of Darnell...This was proven by the fact you can see Sarah Stanton's dress neckline on Prayer Man in that copy...So no credible researcher would ever make a case for not obtaining the best copy...Obtaining the best copy is an unspoken thing amongst credible researchers...It is only the Prayer Man-hijacked JFK internet that would make a case for NOT obtaining that copy...And the way they achieve that is by banning, ostracize-ing, and censoring those researchers who question it...The Education Forum is a fraudulent website, as are its administrators...The effort to NOT obtain the 6th Floor Museum copy is a disingenuous one whose sole purpose is to avoid producing evidence that Jim DiEugenio is a fool who promotes already-disproven theories before Congress...Iler is a greasy fixer who makes grandiose rules designed to bail out his partner DiEugenio and avoid the correct evidence...It is this copy that will better show Lovelady, Shelley, and Molina...

The mark is already set and we await the obtaining and scanning of the 6th Floor Museum copy of Darnell...

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