Lovelady in Darnell and it's Ramifications.

[Dan O'meara]

  This is the story YOU are putting out there. Yet, you provide no reason why Shelley/Lovelady would enter the TSBD via the front door and then walk all the way across the 1st floor to simply hang around that trash piled into the corner of the floor. Their timeline is also an issue. Serious issue. You gotta tick-tock problem getting them all the way back there to possibly be seen by Baker. To me, it just does not work. In order to make this work, you can't have Officer Baker already inside the TSBD only 30 seconds after the Kill Shot.

 You gotta tick-tock problem

 
So you've dropped your main counter-argument.
A wise move as it was very foolish.

Rather than the usual meaningless statements, why not explain what you mean.
I presented a detailed timeline involving the movements of Baker, Shelley, Lovelady, Adams and Truly.
Let's hear your critique of it.

Shelley and Lovelady were witnessed in the area near the elevators around 50 -60 seconds after the shooting. Around the same time Baker witnessed two white men in the same area. You provide no counter-evidence or counter-arguments. Just your unsupported, unfounded opinion (which you seem to think is enough).
You don't seem to understand that, just because I don't know why they lied to cover up their movements, it doesn't change these facts.
You seem to think that, just because I don't know why they made their way to this area, it means they didn't make their way there. It's a really watery type of non-logic.
Unlike you, I'm not prepared to conjure up some ludicrous explanation for anything anomalous. I know Shelley and Lovelady were near the elevators within 50 - 60 seconds of the shooting.
I know they lied in their WC testimonies about their movements to cover up this fact.
But I don't know what they were up to.

In order to make this work, you can't have Officer Baker already inside the TSBD only 30 seconds after the Kill Shot.

What is this supposed to mean?
As part of your explanation don't forget to include what the Darnell footage shows us and the Baker/Truly time-trials.
Not to mention the statements of Joe Molina and Pauline Sanders, that have Baker and Truly arriving within seconds of the shooting.

Try to make things clear.
No cryptic remarks.
Plain and clear logic with a sprinkling of common sense.

[Tom Graves]

In order to make this work, you can't have Officer Baker already inside the TSBD only 30 seconds after the kill shot.

Dear Comrade Storing,

Are you trying to say that Baker's and Truly's entering the TSBD about 30 seconds after the final shot (as suggested by Couch-Darnell) wouldn't have given Shelley and Lovelady enough time to enter the building about 20 seconds earlier and get to the area near the stairs / elevators in time for Baker to see them there, and/or that Adams and Styles couldn't have gotten to the first floor quickly enough for Adams to see [fill in the blank] there?

-- Tom   

[Dan O'meara]

Dear Comrade Storing,

Are you trying to say that Baker's and Truly's entering the TSBD about 30 seconds after the final shot (as suggested by Couch-Darnell) wouldn't have given Shelley and Lovelady enough time to enter the building about 20 seconds earlier and get to the area near the stairs / elevators in time for Baker to see them there?

-- Tom

In what reality do Shelley and Lovelady enter the TSBD building 10 seconds after the final shot??

[Tom Graves]

In what reality do Shelley and Lovelady enter the TSBD building 10 seconds after the final shot??

Dear danny BOY o'meara,

I said about ten seconds after the final shot.

Would you prefer three minutes?

-- Tom

[Dan O'meara]

Dear danny BOY o'meara,

I said about ten seconds after the final shot.

Would you prefer three minutes?

-- Tom

Dear Comrade Jerkov,

I what reality do Shelley and Lovelady enter the TSBD building ABOUT 10 seconds after the final shot?
What are you waffling on about?
My guess is that you are either high or you've not been reading the posts you are replying to.

[Dan O'meara]

Mr. BAKER - As I entered that depository building, I was--people were running toward you, I don't know whether they worked there or whether they were just trying to get out of the way.
Mr. DULLES - From inside the building?
Mr. BAKER - No; from the street in. As I ran in I was pushing them aside and running through them, and some way, Mr. Truly got from my back to my front.
Now, he said he was right behind me. I never did see him until I got in and asked the question of where the stairs was, so evidently whenever I went in the door why he came on in. There were several people coming in as I, you know, came in, there were several in front of me and also around my sides and my back. And it seemed to me like a double door deal.

There were "several people" entering the front door as Baker entered.
One of these people was Truly.
It was at this moment that Shelley and Lovelady passed by Baker in the lobby and entered the main room of the first floor while Baker was interacting with Truly.
Baker, Truly, Shelley and Lovelady entered the building at pretty much the same time, around 30 - 40 seconds after the final shot.

[Royell Storing]

Mr. BAKER - As I entered that depository building, I was--people were running toward you, I don't know whether they worked there or whether they were just trying to get out of the way.
Mr. DULLES - From inside the building?
Mr. BAKER - No; from the street in. As I ran in I was pushing them aside and running through them, and some way, Mr. Truly got from my back to my front.
Now, he said he was right behind me. I never did see him until I got in and asked the question of where the stairs was, so evidently whenever I went in the door why he came on in. There were several people coming in as I, you know, came in, there were several in front of me and also around my sides and my back. And it seemed to me like a double door deal.

There were "several people" entering the front door as Baker entered.
One of these people was Truly.
It was at this moment that Shelley and Lovelady passed by Baker in the lobby and entered the main room of the first floor while Baker was interacting with Truly.
Baker, Truly, Shelley and Lovelady entered the building at pretty much the same time, around 30 - 40 seconds after the final shot.

    Expanding Officer Baker's entrance into the TSBD to 40 seconds is a good start to remedy your Tick-Tock issue. Now you gotta explain just how ALL of these people forced their way through the TSBD Front Door at the same time. That is just a glass door. It is not the Skull Island Gates/"King Kong" (1933). On top of that, the landing in front of the glass door was narrow'er on 11/22/63. And then on top of that, if you open that glass door ALL the way, Buell Frazier would have to move from standing out in front of it. When wide open, that glass door extended ALL the way to the outer edge of the landing. 

[Dan O'meara]

    Expanding Officer Baker's entrance into the TSBD to 40 seconds is a good start to remedy your Tick-Tock issue. Now you gotta explain just how ALL of these people forced their way through the TSBD Front Door at the same time. That is just a glass door. It is not the Skull Island Gates/"King Kong" (1933). On top of that, the landing in front of the glass door was narrow'er on 11/22/63. And then on top of that, if you open that glass door ALL the way, Buell Frazier would have to move from standing out in front of it. When wide open, that glass door extended ALL the way to the outer edge of the landing.

Royel, Royell, Royell...
You really must read the posts concerning the issue under discussion.
Firstly, I think it's just good manners to do that. If you're involved in a discussion you should make an effort to be aware of what's actually being said in that discussion. And, secondly, it would just save me so much time having to go over the same information time and time again trying to remedy your constant misinterpretations, misunderstandings and misrepresentations.

Here is the initial timeline I posted a few replies ago:

Last shot

0 - 10 seconds
Gloria is racing towards the TSBD building. Shelley runs across to the 'island'. Lovelady stays put. Baker is on his bike heading for the TSBD building. Adams is in motion

10 - 20 seconds
Gloria meets Shelley at the island and makes her way to the front steps followed by Shelley. Baker pulls up and dismounts. Lovelady stays put as Gloria runs towards him. Adams reaches the top of the stairs.

20 - 30 seconds
Baker races past Truly and makes his way up the front steps. As he enters the lobby he is followed by Shelley, Lovelady and Truly. Adams racing down stairs.

30 - 40 seconds
Baker and Truly have their interaction in the lobby. Shelley and Lovelady make their way directly through the lobby and start to cross the first floor. Adams is still on the stairs.

40 - 50 seconds
Shelley and Lovelady are near the elevators. Adams races past them and calls out about the President before leaving through the back door. Truly and Baker have just entered the first floor from the lobby.

50 - 60 seconds
Baker and Truly arrive at the elevators. Shelley and Lovelady have split up and are trying to act as if nothing is happening. Adams and Styles are outside, racing towards the railroad tracks.

Expanding Officer Baker's entrance into the TSBD to 40 seconds is a good start to remedy your Tick-Tock issue.
I have not expanded Baker's entrance into the building to 40 seconds.
Baker's entrance is around the 30 second mark.
At 40 seconds he is interacting with Truly in the lobby.
(Read the post again and pay attention this time)
You seem to imagine there is a "tick tock issue" but you never specify what it is.
Analyse the timeline I've presented and spell out why you believe there is an issue with the timings.
All you've done so far is come up with the ludicrous argument that imagines the first floor is a wide open, empty space which you've wisely dropped.

But now we have this gem...

Now you gotta explain just how ALL of these people forced their way through the TSBD Front Door at the same time.

I literally can't believe you've asked this question.
It really has blown my mind.
In the post you are responding to...THE POST YOU ARE RESPONDING TO...Baker answers this very question in detail.
In his WC testimony he literally states that "There were several people coming in as I...came in". He goes on to say, "there were several in front of me and also around my sides and my back".
It's not my problem that you can't visualise a number of people entering through a doorway around the same time.
In your mind you seem to be imagining all four men stood side-by-side, shoulder-to-shoulder, trying to enter the door at exactly the same moment. Do you live in some kind of cartoon world?
According to you, this is the big problem with the timeline I'm putting forward but, like your nonsense about the empty first floor, it's not a "tick tock issue", as you put it.

If all you can come up with are Tom and Jerry arguments against the timeline I'm presenting, isn't it time to consider that I might be on to something?
The timeline I'm presenting, unlike anyone else's, is supported by the Dillard pic, The Stroud document, The Darnell footage, the WC testimonies of Adams, Baker, Truly, Molina,  and the initial affidavits of Shelley and Lovelady.
It also makes sense of the lies Shelley and Lovelady told the WC.